fishmike wrote:

VDesai wrote:If long term Sexton is a 6'1" 2G that mainly is a scorer that makes his living driving to the basket- I'm not sure that's a great piece for a title contender even though he is good at that one skill
If we get Sexton I want to see him as a long term PG. He isn't a great playmaker yet, though he made strides this year. But its not easy to teach someone to be a PG.
I see Sexton as having a Kemba Walker type career. To me that's a mixed bag- some fun times, but not enough winning.

I should say the trade costs makes sense. I'm just thinking about locking up at a near max deal.

there's not a lot of true "floor general" types you can get and none are young. Lowry and Conley are old stop gaps. Lonzo doesnt put any pressure on the defense.

Sexton is an impact scorer. Like we saw with Rose last year (who's also not a floor general) we really need a guy who puts pressure on the D.

I fully understand this is a move that may not work out. Sexton may not have another gear, he not fit with the current guys on the roster or Thibs or whatever... but the talent is game changing and he's an impact player and the cost is friendly. I am willing to roll the dice on the upside. Remember Kemba was a hell of a good player before he got hurt. His biggest problem was he was usually the best player on his team which means he's teams have not been very good.

Sexton was paired with Garland and guys like Drummond etc.... Sexton's TS and EFG also show a player who's scoring is getting more eff% as well

Question is whether you use assets + commit to a contract for a guy like Sexton, or put up some money to go after someone like Devonte Graham? Sexton is a better scorer than Graham and way better going to the basket. Graham spaces the floor, is more reliable from 3 and facilitates the offense more. I think my preference would be to keep Obi+a pick and like Graham at 4 yrs 60-75mm ish and see if we can keep Rose.

I wouldn't be upset with Sexton, but I have a lot of questions about whether he's the right player for us long term and whether can develop into a PG. I think if he doesnt emerge as a PG than its hard to build around him as a winning player.

VDesai wrote:Graham spaces the floor, is more reliable from 3 and facilitates the offense more.

But I can see the wisdom going either direction.

Welpee wrote:

VDesai wrote:Graham spaces the floor, is more reliable from 3 and facilitates the offense more.

Graham takes more 3 but his % is almost identical to Sexton's. I wouldn't be mad about getting Graham but my preference would lean towards the more explosive scoring potential. Graham is definitely a better playmaker than Sexton but it's not like he's off the charts better. Also with Sexton only being 22 years old and accomplishing what he has playing for a different coach all three years, I think being in a more stable environment under a solid coach could improve some of his question marks.

But I can see the wisdom going either direction.

Think the %'s are a hard comparison since Graham is taking 9 3's per game (at least 2x more than Sexton in his career). Graham primarily is 3pt shooter and Sexton is a guy who will finish at the basket more. Graham is more set up to be an outside shooter in an offense and would be a good secondary facilitator with Randle. I think the fit in last year's offense is more obvious for Graham, and you could retain Rose for his role too.

I like what Sexton brings, but I think if you bring him in you probably don't keep Rose...maybe more duplication there.

Whether its Graham or someone else, the critical question to me is - spend assets and money for Sexton or spend money on someone else, and who makes the best sense long term.

VDesai wrote:

Welpee wrote:

VDesai wrote:Graham spaces the floor, is more reliable from 3 and facilitates the offense more.

Graham takes more 3 but his % is almost identical to Sexton's. I wouldn't be mad about getting Graham but my preference would lean towards the more explosive scoring potential. Graham is definitely a better playmaker than Sexton but it's not like he's off the charts better. Also with Sexton only being 22 years old and accomplishing what he has playing for a different coach all three years, I think being in a more stable environment under a solid coach could improve some of his question marks.

But I can see the wisdom going either direction.

Think the %'s are a hard comparison since Graham is taking 9 3's per game (at least 2x more than Sexton in his career). Graham primarily is 3pt shooter and Sexton is a guy who will finish at the basket more. Graham is more set up to be an outside shooter in an offense and would be a good secondary facilitator with Randle. I think the fit in last year's offense is more obvious for Graham, and you could retain Rose for his role too.

I like what Sexton brings, but I think if you bring him in you probably don't keep Rose...maybe more duplication there.

Whether its Graham or someone else, the critical question to me is - spend assets and money for Sexton or spend money on someone else, and who makes the best sense long term.

The thing with Graham is that he shot 38% on 2P field goals. The reason he shot 2x as many threes as Sexton is because he had to. He's no threat to score at the rim outside of transition. And, while he's better than Sexton, I wouldn't consider Graham a top of the line playmaker. He's decent. But he's already 26 and what you see is pretty much what you get. The upside isnt there and I would only consider him after striking out on 5-6 other targets.Also, I don't think Sexton impacts Rose. Rose still comes off the bench. You can even play him less and save him for a playoffs.
I agree, the real question is cost.

BRIGGS wrote:I’m scared they will overpay.

We work so hard to create cap space but we never use it the way it’s intended. I’m with vdesai — I’d rather keep all my picks and use cap space for a player. The cumulative value of assets to the team is much stronger. I’d do 1 pick and Toppin for sexton. I’d take some salary but honestly not a dime more. Boston had to give up a draft pick to give up Kemba walker who is probably better than sexton when healthy. Sexton not good enough both ways to pay like he’s Damian lillard

you think at 22 sexton is a finish product and on the decline..which means you have zero faith in our coaching staff

You keep talking about preserving cap space in a weak FA class, and even if it wasn't, the knicks haven't sign a TOP tier FA like EVER..

We have always had to over pay for marginal talent up until this season

No way another team gives Cleveland more than last years high lottery pick and a good draft pick in this years draft. We could’ve had kemba walker and Boston would’ve gave US the pick!!!!

BRIGGS wrote:One of the huge Knicks problems over the years is bidding against themselves.

No way another team gives Cleveland more than last years high lottery pick and a good draft pick in this years draft. We could’ve had kemba walker and Boston would’ve gave US the pick!!!!

The only trade the Knicks could have made was to absorb Kemba into cap space while also taking them out of the 2022-23 free agent market.

Are you paying ~$70M for a first round pick at #16? Cause that seems a tad high for a guy who may not play too many more games.

No.1 I didn't realize we would actually net cap space in this- looks like this would net 6.5mm. Would certainly help us keep more than one from the Bullock/Rose/Noel/Burks group. I think if you got Sexton, the need for Burks' scoring is lessened.

The RFA approach makes sense. You see how Sexton plays- you can let the market dictate his value.

I still think Toppin is a good player and more than just a 4...plus I think he's a hedge on Randle. Could it be Knox+ 2 no.1's? Is whom we get at 19 or 21 gonna be more a contributor than Obi? Hard to know.

martin wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Not sure where people think we're getting young players who can shoot, drive, pass, defend at a high level, score but are unselfish, aren't undersized, fit perfectly with the rest of our players, have no injury issues and will sign for a good contract and will also either be unrestricted free agents so you don't have to give up any assets, or can be traded for without giving up major assets. Oh and can also be found in the next 2 offseason before we lose our cap space. Good luck!

One more offseason: Brunson and LaVine. Took me all of 2 seconds to come up with that list.