fishmike wrote:Frank will end up going somewhere like Brooklyn where he looks great playing between KD/Harden/Irving and is prolly a really good role player.

I know Dinwiddie is hurt but I did not realize Brown, Johnson, and Shamet are hurt. Cuz he ain't beating those guys out.
Franks agent will have to track the teams with at least 3 guards on the DL. Teams in today's NBA actually want guys that can actually score sometimes. Maybe he can be time-warped back to the 80's. ie. Euro basketball. Think he would do great there.

BigDaddyG wrote:Not putting words in your mouth. Just making it known that I think Payton is trash. I don't really care what your, or anyone's thoughts are regarding Payton. I just don't believe in him as a starting point guard and my mind is made up. I can say that Frank may have a shot at defending Kyrie because I've seen him do it in the past. I've saw him D Westbrook last year and force him to brick up a potentially game winning shot. I know, "Frank can't shoot!" I'm not suggesting Frank deserves consistent minutes, but he does do one thing well. Give him a shot and see if he can stop the bleeding. As for Thibs motivations, Bulls and Wolves fans will tell you about Tom's idiosyncrant roster decisions ( Keith Bogans, Josh Okogie etc.)
As for Knox, my main issue Is that Thibs is using Obi in a manner that fits Knox's game. If we were seeing more pick and roll action from Obi, I wouldn't complain. If you're just going to have him as a floor spacer, Knox would do a better job.

fishmike wrote:Frank will end up going somewhere like Brooklyn where he looks great playing between KD/Harden/Irving and is prolly a really good role player.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Welpee wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:Not putting words in your mouth. Just making it known that I think Payton is trash. I don't really care what your, or anyone's thoughts are regarding Payton. I just don't believe in him as a starting point guard and my mind is made up. I can say that Frank may have a shot at defending Kyrie because I've seen him do it in the past. I've saw him D Westbrook last year and force him to brick up a potentially game winning shot. I know, "Frank can't shoot!" I'm not suggesting Frank deserves consistent minutes, but he does do one thing well. Give him a shot and see if he can stop the bleeding. As for Thibs motivations, Bulls and Wolves fans will tell you about Tom's idiosyncrant roster decisions ( Keith Bogans, Josh Okogie etc.)
As for Knox, my main issue Is that Thibs is using Obi in a manner that fits Knox's game. If we were seeing more pick and roll action from Obi, I wouldn't complain. If you're just going to have him as a floor spacer, Knox would do a better job.

LOL, Westbrook bricks a lot of shots regardless of who's guarding him! Did you not watch our last two games against the Wizards? And you can post highlight videos to make anybody look good. I bet someone could put in the effort and present a lowlight package to make Frank look like the worst defensive player in the league.

As long as we are on the subject of guys Fans think can be starters.

Video clearly shows it was the tail end of the game. I won't post them all, but there are videos of Frank locking up Harden and a slew of other players. You're simply wrong on this.

BigDaddyG wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Welpee wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:Not putting words in your mouth. Just making it known that I think Payton is trash. I don't really care what your, or anyone's thoughts are regarding Payton. I just don't believe in him as a starting point guard and my mind is made up. I can say that Frank may have a shot at defending Kyrie because I've seen him do it in the past. I've saw him D Westbrook last year and force him to brick up a potentially game winning shot. I know, "Frank can't shoot!" I'm not suggesting Frank deserves consistent minutes, but he does do one thing well. Give him a shot and see if he can stop the bleeding. As for Thibs motivations, Bulls and Wolves fans will tell you about Tom's idiosyncrant roster decisions ( Keith Bogans, Josh Okogie etc.)
As for Knox, my main issue Is that Thibs is using Obi in a manner that fits Knox's game. If we were seeing more pick and roll action from Obi, I wouldn't complain. If you're just going to have him as a floor spacer, Knox would do a better job.

LOL, Westbrook bricks a lot of shots regardless of who's guarding him! Did you not watch our last two games against the Wizards? And you can post highlight videos to make anybody look good. I bet someone could put in the effort and present a lowlight package to make Frank look like the worst defensive player in the league.

As long as we are on the subject of guys Fans think can be starters/get minutes[.

Never said Frank should start. Doesnt mean Elfrid ain't trash.

Fixed.
That is what is so frustrating. He can't even beat out guys like Payton or Mudiay,

Welpee wrote:

Vmart wrote:I get the feeling Frank doesn’t like stepping on his teammates shoes. He is the ultimate teammate I think in general people like his demeanor as a good guy and team guy. He is such a team first guy he finds it difficult to basically take someone’s job away or take his teammates shot away. In a way he wants the coach to make that decision for him. But that is not how it works he has to step on someone to get the job. If it means shutting down Rose, Elf and Quickly in practice and owning them then he has to do it and show it. He has to have the swagger and coaches love that. No swagger no play.

The team has needed him to live up to his draft position for four years now. If he's the ultimate teammate he should do more of what his team needs from him. He's been given plenty of opportunities to do that. I'm not buying this latest narrative that Frank is passive because he doesn't want to step on anyone's toes.

It’s not a narrative it’s his weakness. I’m point out that he doesn’t have it. The need to be great is not in him. The great ones know they are great, and they do anything in their power to keep others from taking their job away. Frank in the other hand merely hands the job over on a silver plate. Dude should be like I’m a free agent at the end of the year. I have to show case my skills nope not Frankie. He is to cool and nonchalant, Frank has been a huge disappointment.

Watching Bullock play D, I just dont' understand why Frank can't get a few minutes spelling him. Maybe hit a few threes. Although I doubt Randle's going to feel terribly comfortable kicking it out to Frankie at this point.

Vmart wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Vmart wrote:I get the feeling Frank doesn’t like stepping on his teammates shoes. He is the ultimate teammate I think in general people like his demeanor as a good guy and team guy. He is such a team first guy he finds it difficult to basically take someone’s job away or take his teammates shot away. In a way he wants the coach to make that decision for him. But that is not how it works he has to step on someone to get the job. If it means shutting down Rose, Elf and Quickly in practice and owning them then he has to do it and show it. He has to have the swagger and coaches love that. No swagger no play.

The team has needed him to live up to his draft position for four years now. If he's the ultimate teammate he should do more of what his team needs from him. He's been given plenty of opportunities to do that. I'm not buying this latest narrative that Frank is passive because he doesn't want to step on anyone's toes.

It’s not a narrative it’s his weakness. I’m point out that he doesn’t have it. The need to be great is not in him. The great ones know they are great, and they do anything in their power to keep others from taking their job away. Frank in the other hand merely hands the job over on a silver plate. Dude should be like I’m a free agent at the end of the year. I have to show case my skills nope not Frankie. He is to cool and nonchalant, Frank has been a huge disappointment.

The first SLAP in the face came when Fizdale started a ROOKIE SG/SF (RJ) to play his position (pg), and there's been a handful of situations that should have been more than enough motivation to get his act together.

But like I've been saying for the last 2 yr "He is who he is" it's either he's at his ceiling, or he doesn't really care.