martin wrote:

foosballnick wrote:With everything going on in politics and sports these days I've become convinced that many people have the ability to only see the here and now and have trouble projecting longer term impacts. That being said, I'm guessing that these same people may feel we should bring in CP3 regardless of trade assets because it will help the team improve immediately.....and it likely will. What they may be missing is weighing the potential impacts this may have on any longer term build. If you have to move a late 1st Rounder, Knox and Randall for CP3.....what is the current replacement value in terms of other potential trades for the 1st Rounder, Knox and Randall above a 2 year CP3 Rental? Further, we will essentially be trading Knox and Randall while their values are relatively low. What is their upside Trade Value? What will the value of the late First Rounder be in terms of draft-able asset or ability to move up in draft positioning? How will CP3 help or hinder other player development? What future moves and FA signings will not be available due to CP3's $45M cap hit? What rate of decline in productivity will CP3 face as a 35 year old player? What increased chance of injury / decrease in playing time will CP3 face as a 35 year old player? How attractive will CP3 be in bringing other players to NY? Obviously we are not able to answer these questions. However when you weigh the overall amount of open questions against the incremental number of wins CP3 will give to the Knicks on a 2 year rental.....it certainly would give any rational GM a pause as to how much you would pay (or want in return) for bringing CP3 to the Knicks.

I like this line of thinking.

So, in terms of the 2 year rental... for me it's really 1 year rental and potential block on salary cap flexibility. i.e. Are there any free agents for the upcoming season that the Knicks could NOT get that you would otherwise save the cap space for? So, an important player right now? I don't know but don't think so. Next year? Perhaps but maybe not as much as we think? Moving Knox/Randle makes a huge difference.

Also, would knowing you have a guy on roster like CP3 effect your draft choices at all? PGs aside, perhaps knowing CP3 is the starter on your team instead of DSJr/Frank/?, would Okoro/Okongwu/PWilliams/? now be more a part of your draft strategy?

I still think there is a 50% chance CP3 is a Knicks player next year

This just seems like nothing more than another rumor whose only minimal merit is based on the amount of stories written. One must keep in mind that we are in one of, if not, the biggest sports cities in the world. A city littered with bloggers, self proclaimed insiders and so called sports reporters looking to survive or make a name for themselves. Coupled with the unrealistic perception of how everyone wants to come to New York Knick or/and Knick fans desperation. Fact is, the only simplistic premise that started the rumor was the fact Rose has a relationship with Paul. Same for the Melo rumor. Seems pretty simplistic and lacks any actual merit. Not that I ever read a Berman article, but if you read one I bet you will find the usual quoting of a "Source" who "thinks" "Would not be surprised" "believes" a club "may" be interested. This are the same media sources who proclaimed KD was a sure thing. Or as we saw with all the other many rumors (Kyrie, Giannis, LBJ, Jordan, God) just click bait. Reality is that NO ONE will come here in our current state.

For me, do not see why anyone would think Paul, who is already going to receive his 40per would want to go to a rebuilding team?? He is looking for that elusive chip. And NY is definitely not who people think of when talking about a chip. Secondly, why would the Knicks current rosters "Timeline" include a 35 year old making 40per for the next two years? The idea that he can come in and help the young players or culture seems hopeful at best. After all how much can he do in one or two years? Fact is we are about 8 roster spots away from competing in the next two years. Paul would not change that. Unless Rose is looking to blow up the roster, trade many of our drafts picks and add multiple stars, CP3 seems like a lateral mistake.

Do not get me wrong, I am for Rose adding YOUNG Free agents, getting rid of some of our mediocre talent for ones with real potential and using our draft picks for YOUNG proven talent. A strategy that will have long term benefit. IMO, Paul, Melo and any other older piece is better suited on a complete roster and the Knicks should stay focused on adding pieces that can build a young solid foundation. IF not, this is just another case of NY repeating it's terrible past.

HofstraBBall wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We legitimately don’t even know what we have with current players. We have not one lock player — meaning I know this guys good. Build through draft and smart acquisition like MIAMi and BOStOn

If we hired a compete team draft team we could have a team filled with great players right now— but we did nutso things

Now we have note of a team assembled. Need to acquire good players to fit——NOT pay another tram for a 36 going on 37 year old player

Nothing else needs to be said?

Dont like the K. Knox rumors, I aint doing that trade what 12 yrs younger ? than CP3.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/259800/Knicks-Would-Reportedly-Have-To-Include-Kevin-Knox-In-Potential-Chris-Paul-Trade?fbclid=IwAR0xfUzO11TcHAO8zp_XYczup94OV90bzkZfez5nmmHlpkQltO8wwdIIyNc

Who cares what the age difference is if Knox is awful. That being said im not trading anything for Paul. I would take him for Randle and Dsjr

Can you be totally honest with me.

wtf is the difference between knox and dsj, they were both brutally bad, but at least dsj had death and injuries as a hinderance.

Both of them suffered because of horrendous coaching, terrible preparation, a terrible work ethic, lack of a true role, lack of consistent minutes.

I already know that if knox was traded from dallas and DSJ was drafted by the knicks, Knox would be killed on this board by the homers as well.

Whats reality is that none of the knicks young player are good, have much value (despite being lottery picks)

I am so tired of wrecking good coaches careers with the bull sht players the FO hands them.

Question for you. We trade for CP3. What is our line up look like for the next couple of years before he leaves? What exactly does that accomplish?

I only need 3 young promising players on my roster, not 5-7, that's too many. The knicks have the cap space and draft picks to jump start the culture change.

You know thibs is not the type of coach thats going to play below avg young players, so why waist another yr and further diminish their value..

You have 2 young PG's decide which one fits the best, and trade the other.

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We legitimately don’t even know what we have with current players. We have not one lock player — meaning I know this guys good. Build through draft and smart acquisition like MIAMi and BOStOn

If we hired a compete team draft team we could have a team filled with great players right now— but we did nutso things

Now we have note of a team assembled. Need to acquire good players to fit——NOT pay another tram for a 36 going on 37 year old player

Nothing else needs to be said?

Dont like the K. Knox rumors, I aint doing that trade what 12 yrs younger ? than CP3.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/259800/Knicks-Would-Reportedly-Have-To-Include-Kevin-Knox-In-Potential-Chris-Paul-Trade?fbclid=IwAR0xfUzO11TcHAO8zp_XYczup94OV90bzkZfez5nmmHlpkQltO8wwdIIyNc

Who cares what the age difference is if Knox is awful. That being said im not trading anything for Paul. I would take him for Randle and Dsjr

Can you be totally honest with me.

wtf is the difference between knox and dsj, they were both brutally bad, but at least dsj had death and injuries as a hinderance.

Both of them suffered because of horrendous coaching, terrible preparation, a terrible work ethic, lack of a true role, lack of consistent minutes.

I already know that if knox was traded from dallas and DSJ was drafted by the knicks, Knox would be killed on this board by the homers as well.

Whats reality is that none of the knicks young player are good, have much value (despite being lottery picks)

I am so tired of wrecking good coaches careers with the bull sht players the FO hands them.

Knox has more value than Smith at the moment. So in another deal Knox could be the difference while Smith wouldn’t. Knicks need to value these margins. You want the Knicks to deal from a place of desperation. Which leads to bad business. As any piece can lead to something bigger. Instead of Landry Fields Knicks gave up unprotected 2014 lotto pick and right to swap in 2016. 2016 right to swap turned into a lotto pick which turned into Jamal Murray.....

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We legitimately don’t even know what we have with current players. We have not one lock player — meaning I know this guys good. Build through draft and smart acquisition like MIAMi and BOStOn

If we hired a compete team draft team we could have a team filled with great players right now— but we did nutso things

Now we have note of a team assembled. Need to acquire good players to fit——NOT pay another tram for a 36 going on 37 year old player

Nothing else needs to be said?

Dont like the K. Knox rumors, I aint doing that trade what 12 yrs younger ? than CP3.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/259800/Knicks-Would-Reportedly-Have-To-Include-Kevin-Knox-In-Potential-Chris-Paul-Trade?fbclid=IwAR0xfUzO11TcHAO8zp_XYczup94OV90bzkZfez5nmmHlpkQltO8wwdIIyNc

Who cares what the age difference is if Knox is awful. That being said im not trading anything for Paul. I would take him for Randle and Dsjr

Can you be totally honest with me.

wtf is the difference between knox and dsj, they were both brutally bad, but at least dsj had death and injuries as a hinderance.

Both of them suffered because of horrendous coaching, terrible preparation, a terrible work ethic, lack of a true role, lack of consistent minutes.

I already know that if knox was traded from dallas and DSJ was drafted by the knicks, Knox would be killed on this board by the homers as well.

Whats reality is that none of the knicks young player are good, have much value (despite being lottery picks)

I am so tired of wrecking good coaches careers with the bull sht players the FO hands them.

Knox has more value than Smith at the moment. So in another deal Knox could be the difference while Smith wouldn’t. Knicks need to value these margins. You want the Knicks to deal from a place of desperation. Which leads to bad business. As any piece can lead to something bigger. Instead of Landry Fields Knicks gave up unprotected 2014 lotto pick and right to swap in 2016. 2016 right to swap turned into a lotto pick which turned into Jamal Murray.....

Yes Knox has much more value because of his rookie contract being another year longer and his positional value. We are seeing a bit of a changing of the guard in the NBA. Smaller, attacking guards are losing their value. The exception is the small guard who can really shoot it. smith is a smaller fast guard that can't play off the ball and can't defend multiple positions. Big combo guard that can shoot are becoming the standard for an NBA PG. Jamal Murray or Jrue Holiday types are the ideal lead guard, and you make up for the slight decrease in playmaking with players playmaking from other positions. Basically the anti- Dennis Smith who can only play one position, only play with the ball in his hands, and can't shoot from the outside or make free throws at even an average rate. With positional value and weaknesses in mind, I have very little confidence that Smith can be anything more than a sparkplug scorer off the bench.

Meanwhile Knox still offers upside as a stretch-4 that can shoot, run the floor, and create off the dribble. He has a long ways to go of course, but he has more time to get there, more bankable skills, and more positional value in the league.

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

foosballnick wrote:With everything going on in politics and sports these days I've become convinced that many people have the ability to only see the here and now and have trouble projecting longer term impacts. That being said, I'm guessing that these same people may feel we should bring in CP3 regardless of trade assets because it will help the team improve immediately.....and it likely will. What they may be missing is weighing the potential impacts this may have on any longer term build. If you have to move a late 1st Rounder, Knox and Randall for CP3.....what is the current replacement value in terms of other potential trades for the 1st Rounder, Knox and Randall above a 2 year CP3 Rental? Further, we will essentially be trading Knox and Randall while their values are relatively low. What is their upside Trade Value? What will the value of the late First Rounder be in terms of draft-able asset or ability to move up in draft positioning? How will CP3 help or hinder other player development? What future moves and FA signings will not be available due to CP3's $45M cap hit? What rate of decline in productivity will CP3 face as a 35 year old player? What increased chance of injury / decrease in playing time will CP3 face as a 35 year old player? How attractive will CP3 be in bringing other players to NY? Obviously we are not able to answer these questions. However when you weigh the overall amount of open questions against the incremental number of wins CP3 will give to the Knicks on a 2 year rental.....it certainly would give any rational GM a pause as to how much you would pay (or want in return) for bringing CP3 to the Knicks.

I like this line of thinking.

So, in terms of the 2 year rental... for me it's really 1 year rental and potential block on salary cap flexibility. i.e. Are there any free agents for the upcoming season that the Knicks could NOT get that you would otherwise save the cap space for? So, an important player right now? I don't know but don't think so. Next year? Perhaps but maybe not as much as we think? Moving Knox/Randle makes a huge difference.

Also, would knowing you have a guy on roster like CP3 effect your draft choices at all? PGs aside, perhaps knowing CP3 is the starter on your team instead of DSJr/Frank/?, would Okoro/Okongwu/PWilliams/? now be more a part of your draft strategy?

I still think there is a 50% chance CP3 is a Knicks player next year

This just seems like nothing more than another rumor whose only minimal merit is based on the amount of stories written. One must keep in mind that we are in one of, if not, the biggest sports cities in the world. A city littered with bloggers, self proclaimed insiders and so called sports reporters looking to survive or make a name for themselves. Coupled with the unrealistic perception of how everyone wants to come to New York Knick or/and Knick fans desperation. Fact is, the only simplistic premise that started the rumor was the fact Rose has a relationship with Paul. Same for the Melo rumor. Seems pretty simplistic and lacks any actual merit. Not that I ever read a Berman article, but if you read one I bet you will find the usual quoting of a "Source" who "thinks" "Would not be surprised" "believes" a club "may" be interested. This are the same media sources who proclaimed KD was a sure thing. Or as we saw with all the other many rumors (Kyrie, Giannis, LBJ, Jordan, God) just click bait. Reality is that NO ONE will come here in our current state.

For me, do not see why anyone would think Paul, who is already going to receive his 40 per would want to go to a rebuilding team?? He is looking for that elusive chip. And NY is definitely not who people think of when talking about a chip. Secondly, why would the Knicks current rosters "Timeline" include a 35 year old making 40per for the next two years? The idea that he can come in and help the young players or culture seems hopeful at best. After all how much can he do in one or two years? Fact is we are about 8 roster spots away from competing in the next two years. Paul would not change that. Unless Rose is looking to blow up the roster, trade many of our drafts picks and add multiple stars, CP3 seems like a lateral mistake.

Do not get me wrong, I am for Rose adding YOUNG Free agents, getting rid of some of our mediocre talent for ones with real potential and using our draft picks for YOUNG proven talent. A strategy that will have long term benefit. IMO, Paul, Melo and any other older piece is better suited on a complete roster and the Knicks should stay focused on adding pieces that can build a young solid foundation. IF not, this is just another case of NY repeating it's terrible past.

I didn't relay any of my thoughts on WHY I thought the CP3 to NY was at 50% so it's odd that you came to any conclusion.

Conclusion? Just a comment on your assertion. Stating my opinion that this sounds like just another NY rumor which is typically meritless and only started to get clicks.

As for you reasoning for a 50% possibility. Your right. Would be interesting to read why you feel that way and how that compares to why, as I stated above, do not think there is even a minimal probability.

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We legitimately don’t even know what we have with current players. We have not one lock player — meaning I know this guys good. Build through draft and smart acquisition like MIAMi and BOStOn

If we hired a compete team draft team we could have a team filled with great players right now— but we did nutso things

Now we have note of a team assembled. Need to acquire good players to fit——NOT pay another tram for a 36 going on 37 year old player

Nothing else needs to be said?

Dont like the K. Knox rumors, I aint doing that trade what 12 yrs younger ? than CP3.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/259800/Knicks-Would-Reportedly-Have-To-Include-Kevin-Knox-In-Potential-Chris-Paul-Trade?fbclid=IwAR0xfUzO11TcHAO8zp_XYczup94OV90bzkZfez5nmmHlpkQltO8wwdIIyNc

Who cares what the age difference is if Knox is awful. That being said im not trading anything for Paul. I would take him for Randle and Dsjr

Can you be totally honest with me.

wtf is the difference between knox and dsj, they were both brutally bad, but at least dsj had death and injuries as a hinderance.

Both of them suffered because of horrendous coaching, terrible preparation, a terrible work ethic, lack of a true role, lack of consistent minutes.

I already know that if knox was traded from dallas and DSJ was drafted by the knicks, Knox would be killed on this board by the homers as well.

Whats reality is that none of the knicks young player are good, have much value (despite being lottery picks)

I am so tired of wrecking good coaches careers with the bull sht players the FO hands them.

Knox has more value than Smith at the moment. So in another deal Knox could be the difference while Smith wouldn’t. Knicks need to value these margins. You want the Knicks to deal from a place of desperation. Which leads to bad business. As any piece can lead to something bigger. Instead of Landry Fields Knicks gave up unprotected 2014 lotto pick and right to swap in 2016. 2016 right to swap turned into a lotto pick which turned into Jamal Murray.....

Yes Knox has much more value because of his rookie contract being another year longer and his positional value. We are seeing a bit of a changing of the guard in the NBA. Smaller, attacking guards are losing their value. The exception is the small guard who can really shoot it. smith is a smaller fast guard that can't play off the ball and can't defend multiple positions. Big combo guard that can shoot are becoming the standard for an NBA PG. Jamal Murray or Jrue Holiday types are the ideal lead guard, and you make up for the slight decrease in playmaking with players playmaking from other positions. Basically the anti- Dennis Smith who can only play one position, only play with the ball in his hands, and can't shoot from the outside or make free throws at even an average rate. With positional value and weaknesses in mind, I have very little confidence that Smith can be anything more than a sparkplug scorer off the bench.

Meanwhile Knox still offers upside as a stretch-4 that can shoot, run the floor, and create off the dribble. He has a long ways to go of course, but he has more time to get there, more bankable skills, and more positional value in the league.

KNOX as a host of BAD HABBITS that he has develop since he started playing organize basketball.

He does not pass the ball at all, he can't even avg 1 assist. After the same fans bitch and moan about black holes like Melo, Amare, Rose, Randle, Beasly, you want to invest time and $$ into a similar player.

His motor is as inconsistent as his game and that's not going to change anytime soon because that's a big part of his personality.

I see knox career going in a similar direction to Tim Thomas/vonleh, a bunch of potential but never being able to put together consistently.

Knixkik wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We legitimately don’t even know what we have with current players. We have not one lock player — meaning I know this guys good. Build through draft and smart acquisition like MIAMi and BOStOn

If we hired a compete team draft team we could have a team filled with great players right now— but we did nutso things

Now we have note of a team assembled. Need to acquire good players to fit——NOT pay another tram for a 36 going on 37 year old player

Nothing else needs to be said?

Dont like the K. Knox rumors, I aint doing that trade what 12 yrs younger ? than CP3.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/259800/Knicks-Would-Reportedly-Have-To-Include-Kevin-Knox-In-Potential-Chris-Paul-Trade?fbclid=IwAR0xfUzO11TcHAO8zp_XYczup94OV90bzkZfez5nmmHlpkQltO8wwdIIyNc

Who cares what the age difference is if Knox is awful. That being said im not trading anything for Paul. I would take him for Randle and Dsjr

Can you be totally honest with me.

wtf is the difference between knox and dsj, they were both brutally bad, but at least dsj had death and injuries as a hinderance.

Both of them suffered because of horrendous coaching, terrible preparation, a terrible work ethic, lack of a true role, lack of consistent minutes.

I already know that if knox was traded from dallas and DSJ was drafted by the knicks, Knox would be killed on this board by the homers as well.

Whats reality is that none of the knicks young player are good, have much value (despite being lottery picks)

I am so tired of wrecking good coaches careers with the bull sht players the FO hands them.

Knox has more value than Smith at the moment. So in another deal Knox could be the difference while Smith wouldn’t. Knicks need to value these margins. You want the Knicks to deal from a place of desperation. Which leads to bad business. As any piece can lead to something bigger. Instead of Landry Fields Knicks gave up unprotected 2014 lotto pick and right to swap in 2016. 2016 right to swap turned into a lotto pick which turned into Jamal Murray.....

Yes Knox has much more value because of his rookie contract being another year longer and his positional value. We are seeing a bit of a changing of the guard in the NBA. Smaller, attacking guards are losing their value. The exception is the small guard who can really shoot it. smith is a smaller fast guard that can't play off the ball and can't defend multiple positions. Big combo guard that can shoot are becoming the standard for an NBA PG. Jamal Murray or Jrue Holiday types are the ideal lead guard, and you make up for the slight decrease in playmaking with players playmaking from other positions. Basically the anti- Dennis Smith who can only play one position, only play with the ball in his hands, and can't shoot from the outside or make free throws at even an average rate. With positional value and weaknesses in mind, I have very little confidence that Smith can be anything more than a sparkplug scorer off the bench.

Meanwhile Knox still offers upside as a stretch-4 that can shoot, run the floor, and create off the dribble. He has a long ways to go of course, but he has more time to get there, more bankable skills, and more positional value in the league.

The problem with Knox is he’s a horrific defender. Like DSJ, Knox kills your team defense

If OKC is willing to give us CP3 AND take Randle the trade is a no brainer

Philc1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We legitimately don’t even know what we have with current players. We have not one lock player — meaning I know this guys good. Build through draft and smart acquisition like MIAMi and BOStOn

If we hired a compete team draft team we could have a team filled with great players right now— but we did nutso things

Now we have note of a team assembled. Need to acquire good players to fit——NOT pay another tram for a 36 going on 37 year old player

Nothing else needs to be said?

Dont like the K. Knox rumors, I aint doing that trade what 12 yrs younger ? than CP3.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/259800/Knicks-Would-Reportedly-Have-To-Include-Kevin-Knox-In-Potential-Chris-Paul-Trade?fbclid=IwAR0xfUzO11TcHAO8zp_XYczup94OV90bzkZfez5nmmHlpkQltO8wwdIIyNc

Who cares what the age difference is if Knox is awful. That being said im not trading anything for Paul. I would take him for Randle and Dsjr

Can you be totally honest with me.

wtf is the difference between knox and dsj, they were both brutally bad, but at least dsj had death and injuries as a hinderance.

Both of them suffered because of horrendous coaching, terrible preparation, a terrible work ethic, lack of a true role, lack of consistent minutes.

I already know that if knox was traded from dallas and DSJ was drafted by the knicks, Knox would be killed on this board by the homers as well.

Whats reality is that none of the knicks young player are good, have much value (despite being lottery picks)

I am so tired of wrecking good coaches careers with the bull sht players the FO hands them.

Question for you. We trade for CP3. What is our line up look like for the next couple of years before he leaves? What exactly does that accomplish?

It makes us a playoff team next 2 seasons while RJ, Mitch and whoever we draft at 8 develop

So RJ, with his shooting. MR, with his foul trouble and lack of shooting. And a 36 year old CP3 gets us to the playoffs?
Ok? I disagree and this is also the reason why I think there is no way he comes here unless Rose breaks up the roster, trades draft picks and adds several FA's. A move I have seen many times before. With not much to show for in the long run. But lets assume I am wrong. So we get Paul and he gets us the 8th of 7th seed. We go on to lose in the first round for the next two years. Then what? Would seem like a better long term plan to add pieces that would actually help us past a year or two. I would rather see the Knicks use their cap space on young fringe players that can help build something long term. Not old vets on overpriced contracts. Would also continue to keep and use the many draft picks we have. As we have seen over and over again in the draft, the more picks you have the better chances you have of picking someone that is actually worth a damn. Also think that a cheaper Vet at guard can accomplish just about the same with this group. Without giving up all that has been rumored.

Now if OKC is willing to give us draft picks or assets to take on CP3 contract then maybe. But feel that will not happen as they have few assets and there will be several better positioned "Win Now" teams that can use him.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We legitimately don’t even know what we have with current players. We have not one lock player — meaning I know this guys good. Build through draft and smart acquisition like MIAMi and BOStOn

If we hired a compete team draft team we could have a team filled with great players right now— but we did nutso things

Now we have note of a team assembled. Need to acquire good players to fit——NOT pay another tram for a 36 going on 37 year old player

Nothing else needs to be said?

Dont like the K. Knox rumors, I aint doing that trade what 12 yrs younger ? than CP3.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/259800/Knicks-Would-Reportedly-Have-To-Include-Kevin-Knox-In-Potential-Chris-Paul-Trade?fbclid=IwAR0xfUzO11TcHAO8zp_XYczup94OV90bzkZfez5nmmHlpkQltO8wwdIIyNc

Who cares what the age difference is if Knox is awful. That being said im not trading anything for Paul. I would take him for Randle and Dsjr

Can you be totally honest with me.

wtf is the difference between knox and dsj, they were both brutally bad, but at least dsj had death and injuries as a hinderance.

Both of them suffered because of horrendous coaching, terrible preparation, a terrible work ethic, lack of a true role, lack of consistent minutes.

I already know that if knox was traded from dallas and DSJ was drafted by the knicks, Knox would be killed on this board by the homers as well.

Whats reality is that none of the knicks young player are good, have much value (despite being lottery picks)

I am so tired of wrecking good coaches careers with the bull sht players the FO hands them.

Question for you. We trade for CP3. What is our line up look like for the next couple of years before he leaves? What exactly does that accomplish?

It makes us a playoff team next 2 seasons while RJ, Mitch and whoever we draft at 8 develop

So RJ, with his shooting. MR, with his foul trouble and lack of shooting. And a 36 year old CP3 gets us to the playoffs?
Ok? I disagree and this is also the reason why I think there is no way he comes here unless Rose breaks up the roster, trades draft picks and adds several FA's. A move I have seen many times before. With not much to show for in the long run. But lets assume I am wrong. So we get Paul and he gets us the 8th of 7th seed. We go on to lose in the first round for the next two years. Then what? Would seem like a better long term plan to add pieces that would actually help us past a year or two. I would rather see the Knicks use their cap space on young fringe players that can help build something long term. Not old vets on overpriced contracts. Would also continue to keep and use the many draft picks we have. As we have seen over and over again in the draft, the more picks you have the better chances you have of picking someone that is actually worth a damn. Also think that a cheaper Vet at guard can accomplish just about the same with this group. Without giving up all that has been rumored.

Now if OKC is willing to give us draft picks or assets to take on CP3 contract then maybe. But feel that will not happen as they have few assets and there will be several better positioned "Win Now" teams that can use him.

Young mean young fringe players like Mudiay, THJ, Vonleh, DSJ, Frank, portis, Henzonja. Or are you thinking of trading with a team that are willing to trade their most promising players.

The knicks are not exactly a FA destination unless you love $$$ over winning, which has been the case with the knicks for a while now.

You want young players that have no real leadership on the roster (how's that been working so far)

You can take a chance on some 2nd or 3rd tier player who's coming off a great season in his contract yr (im sure you seen that movie before)

Even after hearing testimony from several young players and veterans confirming the impact CP has had on their development, and his stout Leadership, you continue to ignore every positive thing CP brings all because of his contract which will expires roughly 17 months after the season starts..

A chance to have one of the top 10 guards currently in the NBA (even at his age) is a bad move in your eyes because because his contract will prevent us from signing WHO?