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9/14/2020  2:44 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
Rose tried to get Houston to trade Paul to the Knicks last offseason, but former team president Steve Mills wanted no part of reversing his youth movement. The Knicks have stockpiled draft picks for an occasion like this.

Shit.

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9/14/2020  2:45 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
Rose tried to get Houston to trade Paul to the Knicks last offseason, but former team president Steve Mills wanted no part of reversing his youth movement. The Knicks have stockpiled draft picks for an occasion like this.

stockpiled picks for a 2 year rental?! Nope!
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9/14/2020  7:46 AM
Rose was his agent then. Not Knick President.
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9/14/2020  8:03 AM
Nalod wrote:Rose was his agent then. Not Knick President.

Ever since Leon Rose took over as president, Paul became a legitimate option because the Thunder are mostly in rebuilding mode and Paul is Rose’s favorite former client at Creative Artists Agency.
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9/14/2020  12:35 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Nalod wrote:Rose was his agent then. Not Knick President.

Ever since Leon Rose took over as president, Paul became a legitimate option because the Thunder are mostly in rebuilding mode and Paul is Rose’s favorite former client at Creative Artists Agency.

Where is the quote from? Thunder are in rebuilding mode. What mode do you think we are in? Rose and Paul might love each other, but where is fiduciary responsibilty was to enhance Paul's career, he now works for the knicks. If there is a mutual benefit to bringing him here that includes the money, I doubt most knick fans would object. But for his age and history the 84mil does matter.
Last year Paul might have been lookng at OKC, Detroit or Atlanta. NYC looks pretty good in comparison if losing is the likley environment.
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9/14/2020  12:46 PM
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Philc1 wrote:
Next season will be 50 games tops. Paul should be able to handle that fine even at 35. His deal only has 2 year’s remaining and the Knicks would make the playoffs both seasons. Bertans would be ideal but I think the Knicks bring back either Gallo or Melo on a one year deal to be the stretch 4 we need

So we're looking at 30-40 games tops from Paul?
That's not enough for us to leapfrog Milwaukee, Miami, Boston, Toronto, Brooklyn, 76ers, Pacers or Orlando. We'd need Paul to pull a young LeBron and play nearly every game at more than 35 minutes. Melo isn't enough to shift the balance. The front office even admitted Bertans is unlikely. Gallo has options and he's far from a sure thing. This move doesn't guarantee anything. If we don't get assets back were looking at the Antonio McDyess trade all over again.

You’re comparing Paul to McDyess lol
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9/14/2020  12:48 PM
smackeddog wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
Next season will be 50 games tops. Paul should be able to handle that fine even at 35. His deal only has 2 year’s remaining and the Knicks would make the playoffs both seasons. Bertans would be ideal but I think the Knicks bring back either Gallo or Melo on a one year deal to be the stretch 4 we need

So we're looking at 30-40 games tops from Paul?
That's not enough for us to leapfrog Milwaukee, Miami, Boston, Toronto, Brooklyn, 76ers, Pacers or Orlando. We'd need Paul to pull a young LeBron and play nearly every game at more than 35 minutes. Melo isn't enough to shift the balance. The front office even admitted Bertans is unlikely. Gallo has options and he's far from a sure thing. This move doesn't guarantee anything. If we don't get assets back were looking at the Antonio McDyess trade all over again.

Yep, plus we won’t be able to take advantage of teams having to shed salary. Personally, I think the season will be at least 70 games, just to meet the tv contracts

They already are talking about pushing the season back to January. There won’t be a vaccine until December at the earliest. It will take years for mass distribution
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9/14/2020  12:51 PM
Nalod wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Nalod wrote:Rose was his agent then. Not Knick President.

Ever since Leon Rose took over as president, Paul became a legitimate option because the Thunder are mostly in rebuilding mode and Paul is Rose’s favorite former client at Creative Artists Agency.

Where is the quote from? Thunder are in rebuilding mode. What mode do you think we are in? Rose and Paul might love each other, but where is fiduciary responsibilty was to enhance Paul's career, he now works for the knicks. If there is a mutual benefit to bringing him here that includes the money, I doubt most knick fans would object. But for his age and history the 84mil does matter.
Last year Paul might have been lookng at OKC, Detroit or Atlanta. NYC looks pretty good in comparison if losing is the likley environment.

If he was Rose's favorite client, why would he bring him into this **** show? He would want the best for him and that would not be on a rebuilding team helping mentor some suspect talent.

I just don't see this happening. Bloggers probably just basing this click bait on the simplistic connection mentioned by 1248.

Feel Rose will be better than making his first move as one that gets rid of Cap flexibility and draft stash for a 36 year old former client. Big risk if it does not pan out. But again, this is click bait to catch the needy.

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9/14/2020  4:23 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
Nalod wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Nalod wrote:Rose was his agent then. Not Knick President.

Ever since Leon Rose took over as president, Paul became a legitimate option because the Thunder are mostly in rebuilding mode and Paul is Rose’s favorite former client at Creative Artists Agency.

Where is the quote from? Thunder are in rebuilding mode. What mode do you think we are in? Rose and Paul might love each other, but where is fiduciary responsibilty was to enhance Paul's career, he now works for the knicks. If there is a mutual benefit to bringing him here that includes the money, I doubt most knick fans would object. But for his age and history the 84mil does matter.
Last year Paul might have been lookng at OKC, Detroit or Atlanta. NYC looks pretty good in comparison if losing is the likley environment.

If he was Rose's favorite client, why would he bring him into this **** show? He would want the best for him and that would not be on a rebuilding team helping mentor some suspect talent.

I just don't see this happening. Bloggers probably just basing this click bait on the simplistic connection mentioned by 1248.

Feel Rose will be better than making his first move as one that gets rid of Cap flexibility and draft stash for a 36 year old former client. Big risk if it does not pan out. But again, this is click bait to catch the needy.

Berman was the first to link Thibs to the coaching gig as soon as Leon was hired

He did the same with Willam Wes, and now he's doing it with CP...this isn't click bate

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9/14/2020  4:39 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Nalod wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Nalod wrote:Rose was his agent then. Not Knick President.

Ever since Leon Rose took over as president, Paul became a legitimate option because the Thunder are mostly in rebuilding mode and Paul is Rose’s favorite former client at Creative Artists Agency.

Where is the quote from? Thunder are in rebuilding mode. What mode do you think we are in? Rose and Paul might love each other, but where is fiduciary responsibilty was to enhance Paul's career, he now works for the knicks. If there is a mutual benefit to bringing him here that includes the money, I doubt most knick fans would object. But for his age and history the 84mil does matter.
Last year Paul might have been lookng at OKC, Detroit or Atlanta. NYC looks pretty good in comparison if losing is the likley environment.

If he was Rose's favorite client, why would he bring him into this **** show? He would want the best for him and that would not be on a rebuilding team helping mentor some suspect talent.

I just don't see this happening. Bloggers probably just basing this click bait on the simplistic connection mentioned by 1248.

Feel Rose will be better than making his first move as one that gets rid of Cap flexibility and draft stash for a 36 year old former client. Big risk if it does not pan out. But again, this is click bait to catch the needy.

Berman was the first to link Thibs to the coaching gig as soon as Leon was hired

He did the same with Willam Wes, and now he's doing it with CP...this isn't click bate

Wes did work for Rose. Thibs was an unemployed coach. IF CP was a free agent I might concur. But since its you I won't.
It think for many of us its a question of what if any would be the price we'd have to pay to get him? Including "opoortunity cost". That is "what else can be done with that 84mil". If basically not much, then the cost is small. Two years and 84mm. Sub out Randle and its about 60mil. What can Paul do for the franchise? If he can replicate the last seaosn he had thats a decent deal.
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9/14/2020  6:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/14/2020  6:11 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Nalod wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Nalod wrote:Rose was his agent then. Not Knick President.

Ever since Leon Rose took over as president, Paul became a legitimate option because the Thunder are mostly in rebuilding mode and Paul is Rose’s favorite former client at Creative Artists Agency.

Where is the quote from? Thunder are in rebuilding mode. What mode do you think we are in? Rose and Paul might love each other, but where is fiduciary responsibilty was to enhance Paul's career, he now works for the knicks. If there is a mutual benefit to bringing him here that includes the money, I doubt most knick fans would object. But for his age and history the 84mil does matter.
Last year Paul might have been lookng at OKC, Detroit or Atlanta. NYC looks pretty good in comparison if losing is the likley environment.

If he was Rose's favorite client, why would he bring him into this **** show? He would want the best for him and that would not be on a rebuilding team helping mentor some suspect talent.

I just don't see this happening. Bloggers probably just basing this click bait on the simplistic connection mentioned by 1248.

Feel Rose will be better than making his first move as one that gets rid of Cap flexibility and draft stash for a 36 year old former client. Big risk if it does not pan out. But again, this is click bait to catch the needy.

Berman was the first to link Thibs to the coaching gig as soon as Leon was hired

He did the same with Willam Wes, and now he's doing it with CP...this isn't click bate

Anyone and everyone guessed right about the possibility of Thibs being hired by the Knicks. That story was being circulated by several sources prior to fatman Berman sharing it on the Post. Kinda of funny that you counter my click bait point by mentioning the neediest click bating sports media whore in the US. The only thing Berman knows is how many different flavors donuts come in.

If you want to be informed about anything Knicks you will stop reading anything he writes.

Again, if Rose wants to make this his first move, knowing everyone knows his connection to Paul, it will be a big risk for him. With Paul at 36, it's a risk most can determine the outcome to.

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Urg
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9/15/2020  4:07 AM
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Urg

If it happened, Rose would be worse than all our previous FO and that is an achievement. This is heresy.
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9/15/2020  9:13 AM

If i were in charge and hell bent on getting a pg, and willing to give an asset, why not Shroeder or Reggie Jackson who at least superficially seem more aligned with Thibs style of play

I would be open to CP3 but we should be getting assets, not giving them for it to make sense to us. I can imagine other teams with hopes of title contention seeing things differently but of course their situation is different and CP3's value to them can be different

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9/15/2020  9:17 AM
I just dont get the rational in trying to trade for CP3. Yes, even at his age he is still one of the better point guards in the league. I know he can provide a ton of positive mentoring to our youth but at what cost? Gutting half of your youth that you want him to mentor and mortgaging the teams future but giving out a healthy amount of draft picks?

Getting CP3 will not instantly transform the knicks into contenders. Its more logical for teams like the Bucks or 76ers to trade for CP3 to make them contenders.

Whats such a head scratcher for me is that i feel the team is moving towards the right direction, the FO hired a respectable staff, beefed up the Analytics department and plan to build a better development staff, then we hear that the Knick have a trade package ready for CP3, its just so frustrating! It doesn't make sense. I don't get it!
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9/15/2020  9:31 AM
We have to be prepared that this is a very real possibility, and maybe even almost a likelihood. As stated, this is Rose's favorite player and trying to rebuild the Knicks culture with a player very suited for that. My guess is they will be prepared to move 1 secondary prospect (Knox, Ntilikina, or Smith) and one secondary asset (LAC pick or future second round pick) along with trying to dump Randle's contract into the deal.
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9/15/2020  10:18 AM
If this trade is inevitable, which i think it is. I can live with giving up Randle, DSJ and the clips pick. Thats the best i can give with out me feeling horrible about it. I just hope the knicks get out bid by other teams and the only way to get him here is to make a melo type deal giving up our starting 5 for a 35 yr old favorite player of the president. Hopefully then Rose can see how foolish the trade is. One step forward, 2 steps back, we will get a great culture player for a price that is an arm and a leg! Please just give Frank and DSJ a chance to show what they can do with a fresh set of coaches to mold them.
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9/15/2020  10:26 AM
shinmen wrote:
smackeddog wrote:


Urg

If it happened, Rose would be worse than all our previous FO and that is an achievement. This is heresy.

Groundhog Day at MSG... AGAIN! I get ill thinking about this. The FO and coaches have zero accountability, they can retire after a Knicks gig. Nobody looks out for the fans.

MSG is looked at like a pension fund for players whose playing days are in the rear-view mirror.

CP3 failed to win anything EVERYWHERE he went. So he's here to create a "culture". Of what?
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9/15/2020  10:28 AM
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If i were in charge and hell bent on getting a pg, and willing to give an asset, why not Shroeder or Reggie Jackson who at least superficially seem more aligned with Thibs style of play

I would be open to CP3 but we should be getting assets, not giving them for it to make sense to us. I can imagine other teams with hopes of title contention seeing things differently but of course their situation is different and CP3's value to them can be different

I was thinking that a move for Reggie Jackson might be a perfect fit.
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9/15/2020  10:29 AM
Jimbo5 wrote:I just dont get the rational in trying to trade for CP3. Yes, even at his age he is still one of the better point guards in the league. I know he can provide a ton of positive mentoring to our youth but at what cost? Gutting half of your youth that you want him to mentor and mortgaging the teams future but giving out a healthy amount of draft picks?

Getting CP3 will not instantly transform the knicks into contenders. Its more logical for teams like the Bucks or 76ers to trade for CP3 to make them contenders.

Whats such a head scratcher for me is that i feel the team is moving towards the right direction, the FO hired a respectable staff, beefed up the Analytics department and plan to build a better development staff, then we hear that the Knick have a trade package ready for CP3, its just so frustrating! It doesn't make sense. I don't get it!

This looks like a payola move. Rose ensures Paul cashes out to the max. MSG money getting flushed down the toilet again.
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