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arkrud
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12/5/2019  2:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/5/2019  2:18 PM
Nalod wrote:Nalod does not expect any great return for guys. Portis is Jarrod Jeffries redux. Not a bad player, just not what we would have hoped. For Morris there are scenarios that can work. I don't anyone is terribly excited about it.
Nalod would say Randle is a keeper. Not a overly popular thing to say but I see the POTENTIAL if he is not our best player. IN a world where he and morris are the best two players and no guard that can lights out he is getting way more attention than need be.
If it makes Knicks1248 happy then there is a purpose to firing Fiz. Frank gets to say three coaches in three years. His agent should be first in line to ask for his client to be traded to new team. If its an Interim, it will make it 4 for four if you go into next year with a brand name. Can't develop players with the frequency knicks change coaches. Question is Fiz the right guy? What is he doing wrong? How does it get fixed?

The only fix of Knicks1248 mind is to win games. Who are FO, coach, and players is irrelevant.
When team start winning whoever will be around will be great. Until then they all suck.
So the names are not relevant...

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12/5/2019  5:16 PM
arkrud wrote:
Nalod wrote:Nalod does not expect any great return for guys. Portis is Jarrod Jeffries redux. Not a bad player, just not what we would have hoped. For Morris there are scenarios that can work. I don't anyone is terribly excited about it.
Nalod would say Randle is a keeper. Not a overly popular thing to say but I see the POTENTIAL if he is not our best player. IN a world where he and morris are the best two players and no guard that can lights out he is getting way more attention than need be.
If it makes Knicks1248 happy then there is a purpose to firing Fiz. Frank gets to say three coaches in three years. His agent should be first in line to ask for his client to be traded to new team. If its an Interim, it will make it 4 for four if you go into next year with a brand name. Can't develop players with the frequency knicks change coaches. Question is Fiz the right guy? What is he doing wrong? How does it get fixed?
The only fix of Knicks1248 mind is to win games. Who are FO, coach, and players is irrelevant.
When team start winning whoever will be around will be great. Until then they all suck.
So the names are not relevant...
Not true. If we win and Frank is in all-star form he would still complain about Frank and want him off the team.
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12/5/2019  6:16 PM
NYKBocker wrote:
arkrud wrote:
Nalod wrote:Nalod does not expect any great return for guys. Portis is Jarrod Jeffries redux. Not a bad player, just not what we would have hoped. For Morris there are scenarios that can work. I don't anyone is terribly excited about it.
Nalod would say Randle is a keeper. Not a overly popular thing to say but I see the POTENTIAL if he is not our best player. IN a world where he and morris are the best two players and no guard that can lights out he is getting way more attention than need be.
If it makes Knicks1248 happy then there is a purpose to firing Fiz. Frank gets to say three coaches in three years. His agent should be first in line to ask for his client to be traded to new team. If its an Interim, it will make it 4 for four if you go into next year with a brand name. Can't develop players with the frequency knicks change coaches. Question is Fiz the right guy? What is he doing wrong? How does it get fixed?
The only fix of Knicks1248 mind is to win games. Who are FO, coach, and players is irrelevant.
When team start winning whoever will be around will be great. Until then they all suck.
So the names are not relevant...
Not true. If we win and Frank is in all-star form he would still complain about Frank and want him off the team.

No if Knicks will be winning with Frank playing 5 min of the bench he will still be liked...
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12/5/2019  6:18 PM
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newyorknewyork wrote:Knicks invested a full 82 game season in the name of player development. This was to be the calling card of the org and the coaching staff. If 100% of the attention has been dedicated to player development for which we were happy to sit through a 17 win season for as fans. We should see something better than what we have seen in this area 100 games now invested towards the cause. Fiz didn't have to worry about taking heat from any losses last season. Was given Carte blanche in the name of development. All that was expected was progress from the young players.

And this is all after ignoring everything else wrong and looking for just one aspect of coaching(player development) to be decent after investing 100% attention towards this area smh.

It's fair to be critical of player development at this point, but its unfair to place all the blame on Fiz. The moment the front office signed Morris, Portis, Peyton, Ellington and Bullock, it was clear they had visions of chasing the 8th seed. Development and tanking was the objective last year, this year the objective was to stay in the playoff race as long as possible.

If Fiz is following the orders of the front office and trying to push for the playoffs, of course the vets will get more playing time than the youth as they are more experienced. As a result. Zo gets buried on the bench, Knox loses mins, and if Peyton never got hurt, Frank would be coming off the bench too..The front office didnt spent 70 mil this off season to watch 70 mil worth of players turn into bench cheerleaders during games and mentors to the youth in practice.

So again, how much blame does the front office have in the way this season is playing out?

This is if you completely rule out the possibility that Fiz was in favor these signings. That management made every single move this offseason against Fiz will or without his input. Not saying it is or isn't the case. But it shouldn't be so conveniently cleaned up for him to have his hands washed based off the little info we know.

But I wouldn't lose any sleep if the Knicks cleaned house. Not sure where "placing all blame on Fiz" comes from but this thread is created to act like its absolutely preposterous for Fiz to have any accountability. With this I disagree

And its not about that young players are getting buried on the bench for superior vets. That's not the complaint. The complaint is

Kevin Knox 37% 7.9pts 3rebs 1.3ast 20mins
Frank Ntilikina 38% 6.5pts 2.2rebs 3.5ast 26mins
Dennis Smith jr 35% 5.9pts 1.6rebs 2.9ast 17.9mins
Mitch Robinson 68% 8.5pts 6.6rebs 1.9blks 3.8pf 20.5mins
Daymean Dotson 41% 6.1pts 1.6rebs 1.1ast 16.4mins
Alonzo Trier 51% 7.7pts 1.5rebs 1.4ast 13.6mins

After dedicating a full 82 games in the name of development. Not one player(not one) can outperform or break out. Not one player fits like a glove with Fiz coaching. Where the evaluation of players when being considered to be added, matches the identity the coach is pushing. Which creates the environment necessary perform and grow. Fiz also likes to make statements like "Mudiay we gonna get you right". It could very well be when the discussion of Randle got brought up that Fiz felt he could coach Randle up to bring him to the next level. Made the FO confident in acquiring him. Same with Portis who is 24, whose career isn't even in his prime. Why can't he be coached up to take his game to another level? Also what is the blueprint for which Fiz is laying out for the FO to follow when evaluating players to bring into the org? So that the transactions can become successful. As they fit what he is looking for in terms of ready made skills as well as untapped potential he is capable of tapping into?

Brogden a 2nd round pick and 4th option on a good team with an MVP level superstar to make the game easier for him was a possible risk that if his role and touches and attention raised. He could end up not measuring up, but yet getting paid like a stud. Yet he miraculously has gotten better as player even though he is receiving attention as a top option, go figure. Jeremy Lamb can fit like a glove there as well as a journeyman player. UDFA Kendrick Nunn can slide in as a rookie and fit like a glove with what Spoelstra is trying to do. Same with Tyler Hero, same with Duncan Robinson in his 2nd yr on the team from being an UDFA and progressing.

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12/5/2019  7:12 PM
It's just getting hard to look Fiz with his moronic expressions during games.
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12/5/2019  8:53 PM
the purpose of firing fizdale is to end the regular occurrence of games where we go down 20.

And if they continue, we know with certainty the players simply suck.

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12/5/2019  9:05 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/6/2019  7:34 AM
the purpose in firing fizdale is we hope the next coach brings in a offensive system that positions our players to get good shots, and not force bad ones!
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12/5/2019  9:51 PM
No coach could be worse at this point.
Everything in moderation. Even moderation.
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12/5/2019  9:57 PM
Bring in Reggie Miller to coach - I'm not kidding. We need a shakeup.
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12/5/2019  10:01 PM
When you're getting your ass beat every day on the way home from school "Staying the course" sounds stupid.

But that's what we are doing.

Go ANYWHERE else at this point.

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12/5/2019  10:20 PM
fwk00 wrote:Bring in Reggie Miller to coach - I'm not kidding. We need a shakeup.

Please step away from phone or Keyboard.

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12/5/2019  10:30 PM
Getting destroyed in games is no way to build a winning culture. I’ve said all along this coach is just a hype man who is everyone’s buddy. Fire this guy already!
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12/6/2019  5:08 AM
TLover wrote:Getting destroyed in games is no way to build a winning culture. I’ve said all along this coach is just a hype man who is everyone’s buddy. Fire this guy already!

I remember some bball writer said that for a GM to keep their job in the league they have to either sell results or hope. Last year despite the losing we had hope- first that KP would come back and play, then after the trade that we might land Zion, or KD and another star. This season i just feel we have neither- I just don't feel any hope with this roster, I don't think we have any foundation building pieces going forward. Factor in what happened last season at the draft lottery- you can have a stinker of a record and still fall to 5th,6th,7th like the Bulls etc did. Hard times as a Knick fan

I'd rather not fire Fiz now, but I suppose the positive is that if we did and we still suck (as we will), Mills has nowhere to hide- it proves the roster was the problem. Mills is the person I think we need rid of.

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12/6/2019  6:00 AM
ITs spiraling out of control. Its like our worst nightmares keep occurring when. Letter grade to fans gives no credence to logic making the emotional the voice of reason in this abysmal decline.
I’m turning off games when they fall back 20 pts. Last night the had a nice 1st quarter. BY half I turned it off.
Even Clyde is getting sickened. Only one happy thru this is KP and The Rainman who gets to gloat.
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12/6/2019  6:35 AM
Nalod wrote:ITs spiraling out of control. Its like our worst nightmares keep occurring when. Letter grade to fans gives no credence to logic making the emotional the voice of reason in this abysmal decline.
I’m turning off games when they fall back 20 pts. Last night the had a nice 1st quarter. BY half I turned it off.
Even Clyde is getting sickened. Only one happy thru this is KP and The Rainman who gets to gloat.

I don’t think even knicks1248 thought it would be THIS bad. Pretty sure even he thought we would be competitive in every game but still kinda suck. I know I was way off with my predictions. I am with you though. I shut it off at halftime.

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12/6/2019  7:52 AM
Just praying for woj bomb
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12/6/2019  8:15 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:
Nalod wrote:ITs spiraling out of control. Its like our worst nightmares keep occurring when. Letter grade to fans gives no credence to logic making the emotional the voice of reason in this abysmal decline.
I’m turning off games when they fall back 20 pts. Last night the had a nice 1st quarter. BY half I turned it off.
Even Clyde is getting sickened. Only one happy thru this is KP and The Rainman who gets to gloat.

I don’t think even knicks1248 thought it would be THIS bad. Pretty sure even he thought we would be competitive in every game but still kinda suck. I know I was way off with my predictions. I am with you though. I shut it off at halftime.

This team is really that bad.
Organization have to pay for decades of stupidity and scam.
Firing everyone and anyone will do nothing about it.
We need to get and grow some NBA players.
This trees take years to grow after planting.

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12/6/2019  8:23 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:
Nalod wrote:ITs spiraling out of control. Its like our worst nightmares keep occurring when. Letter grade to fans gives no credence to logic making the emotional the voice of reason in this abysmal decline.
I’m turning off games when they fall back 20 pts. Last night the had a nice 1st quarter. BY half I turned it off.
Even Clyde is getting sickened. Only one happy thru this is KP and The Rainman who gets to gloat.

I don’t think even knicks1248 thought it would be THIS bad. Pretty sure even he thought we would be competitive in every game but still kinda suck. I know I was way off with my predictions. I am with you though. I shut it off at halftime.

I saw this coming, the 18 game losing streak last season told me everything I needed to know about the coach..every single game had the YMCA look, pick up basketball.

What kind of a DOPEY coach instructs his team to stand 15 feet away from 3 point shooters, then talk about we were a step slow, we were playing in MUD...

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12/6/2019  8:26 AM
He sucks as a coach.

We think we're going to lose before we do.
We give sickening effort.

No need for strike three.

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12/6/2019  8:30 AM
arkrud wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
Nalod wrote:ITs spiraling out of control. Its like our worst nightmares keep occurring when. Letter grade to fans gives no credence to logic making the emotional the voice of reason in this abysmal decline.
I’m turning off games when they fall back 20 pts. Last night the had a nice 1st quarter. BY half I turned it off.
Even Clyde is getting sickened. Only one happy thru this is KP and The Rainman who gets to gloat.

I don’t think even knicks1248 thought it would be THIS bad. Pretty sure even he thought we would be competitive in every game but still kinda suck. I know I was way off with my predictions. I am with you though. I shut it off at halftime.

This team is really that bad.
Organization have to pay for decades of stupidity and scam.
Firing everyone and anyone will do nothing about it.
We need to get and grow some NBA players.
This trees take years to grow after planting.

They got there but handed by a team with one lottery pick. The Knicks players are not bad players they are being jerked around and taught BS all day and everyday. Get better coaching and the players will execute and play better.

Better coaching will do wonders for the players.

What is the purpose of firing Fiz?

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