franco12 wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Again, nobody is crying if Fiz gets fired but who do you replace him with that will be better with this roster mid-season? Morris is our best scorer whether you like it or not. Randle is currently our most talented player whether you like it or not. You have to accept those realities. They are going to do what they do with the situation until RJ Barrett is ready to takeover, which he is not. Mitch is going to need to play whether he falls for the fakes or not.... but damn he has to stop. It’s absolutely ridiculous that he’s doing that. That’s partially where Fiz should be taking the blame too because that hurts our defense more than anything else. From this point forward, Mitch should be taken out every single time he falls for one, especially against a smart player like Embid.

Me, I'd go with Pitino. Sure, he's got baggage, but I think he probably has a major chip on his shoulder. He has experience with the college game, so that should help develop guys, and he has served in the past in the NBA and won, and won in NYC - with, I might argue, similar type talent and a very modern approach to the game.

I don't know what goes on behind the scenes in terms of develop and practice. I don't think any of us do, really.

I worry that simply benching guys (Knox) for not playing defense is not going to help if they haven't been worked with on the particulars of NBA defense.

And if we are suddenly benching Knox for no defense, where the hell was the coach with Randle and his 6 turn overs a game?

Maybe there is a double standard?

I absolutely think there is definitely a double standard. Randle plays like he’s a rookie a lot of the times yet Breen and Clyde still praise him for a great game. I also think Fiz has done an overall bad job worthy of being fired.

Rick Pitino though? What is he really going to do? He’s a college coach with a college game plan. The NBA game is far different now then back in the early 90s too. Plus he’s 67. I can’t see him being that great of a coach long or short term.

Is there a better option though? I sincerely don’t know.

TPercy wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:an "improved" Knox doesn't mean a good player, lol

And if the career player you are referring to is Randle, keep in mind of the players he was playing with as well. The game is different when teams aren't necessarily planning their defense around you.

but to the question, I voted no. I am really surprised at how high expectations were for this team. I am disappointed at our current record but only because I felt we lost some games in the fourth, that we could have won but that's on FO for not being able to bring in star players.

The point is that we have much better players this year than we did the past couple of years and we are on pace to win maybe 2/3 more games than last years record. It’s flat out unacceptable you me. I knew we were going to have a losing record but the talent level at the bare minimum should have us winning 29 games. This team was better than Horneceks team and he was fired for only winning 29.

When do you start to blame the players? Think everyone is falsely under the impression the NBA is like a HS squad and the coach is responsible to teach guys a system and how to play. Or like a NCAA type system in which everyone is equal. Fact is the NBA is a players league in which you run the same basic sets. If the players don't make buckets then they don't win. Coach calls a few set plays and in bounds but really only effects a game by the players he decides to play. In fairness to Fiz, that is also decided by the FO and the direction they want him to go. It's obvious the FO/Dolan wants to give these FA's most of the run and try to win. Would rather the young kids go but to blame the coach is a bit naive.

HofstraBBall wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:an "improved" Knox doesn't mean a good player, lol

And if the career player you are referring to is Randle, keep in mind of the players he was playing with as well. The game is different when teams aren't necessarily planning their defense around you.

but to the question, I voted no. I am really surprised at how high expectations were for this team. I am disappointed at our current record but only because I felt we lost some games in the fourth, that we could have won but that's on FO for not being able to bring in star players.

The point is that we have much better players this year than we did the past couple of years and we are on pace to win maybe 2/3 more games than last years record. It’s flat out unacceptable you me. I knew we were going to have a losing record but the talent level at the bare minimum should have us winning 29 games. This team was better than Horneceks team and he was fired for only winning 29.

When do you start to blame the players? Think everyone is falsely under the impression the NBA is like a HS squad and the coach is responsible to teach guys a system and how to play. Or like a NCAA type system in which everyone is equal. Fact is the NBA is a players league in which you run the same basic sets. If the players don't make buckets then they don't win. Coach calls a few set plays and in bounds but really only effects a game by the players he decides to play. In fairness to Fiz, that is also decided by the FO and the direction they want him to go. It's obvious the FO/Dolan wants to give these FA's most of the run and try to win. Would rather the young kids go but to blame the coach is a bit naive.

+10000....Been saying the same thing in and out of numerous threads...I'm not saying that Fiz is not without his faults, but the record and uneven play, imo, is more on the players and FO for picking these players...

Wow, another brutal loss.

And we're playing Milwaukee tomorrow?!

Please put Fizdale out of his misery. Let him go for his own good.

HofstraBBall wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:an "improved" Knox doesn't mean a good player, lol

And if the career player you are referring to is Randle, keep in mind of the players he was playing with as well. The game is different when teams aren't necessarily planning their defense around you.

but to the question, I voted no. I am really surprised at how high expectations were for this team. I am disappointed at our current record but only because I felt we lost some games in the fourth, that we could have won but that's on FO for not being able to bring in star players.

The point is that we have much better players this year than we did the past couple of years and we are on pace to win maybe 2/3 more games than last years record. It’s flat out unacceptable you me. I knew we were going to have a losing record but the talent level at the bare minimum should have us winning 29 games. This team was better than Horneceks team and he was fired for only winning 29.

When do you start to blame the players? Think everyone is falsely under the impression the NBA is like a HS squad and the coach is responsible to teach guys a system and how to play. Or like a NCAA type system in which everyone is equal. Fact is the NBA is a players league in which you run the same basic sets. If the players don't make buckets then they don't win. Coach calls a few set plays and in bounds but really only effects a game by the players he decides to play. In fairness to Fiz, that is also decided by the FO and the direction they want him to go. It's obvious the FO/Dolan wants to give these FA's most of the run and try to win. Would rather the young kids go but to blame the coach is a bit naive.

Brad Stevens lost Kyrie and Horford and no Hayward this game

And they’re playing better

Fizz wants LeBron to hide his bad coaching

Uptown wrote:

Chandler wrote:Another excuse

Brad Stevens lost Kyrie and Horford and no Hayward this game

And they’re playing better

Fizz wants LeBron to hide his bad coaching

And still Stevens has 2 allstars (Tatum and Kemba) to spare. If you take all the players playing tonight and put them in a draft, 3 celtics come off the before you get a Knick player.

If Barrett gets a shot, he’ll be better than all of them. He can get to the hoop when and how he wants.

Uptown wrote:

Chandler wrote:Another excuse

Brad Stevens lost Kyrie and Horford and no Hayward this game

And they’re playing better

Fizz wants LeBron to hide his bad coaching

And still Stevens has 2 allstars (Tatum and Kemba) to spare. If you take all the players playing tonight and put them in a draft, 3 celtics come off the before you get a Knick player.

your love of Fizz and the FO has blinded you. You missed the point entirely

Stevens has less talent than he had last year, yet the team is playing better than last year (point isn't that they beat us; everyone beats us)

Fizzdale has 70+million of new toys, proven hard working vets (so we were told) and they're playing worse; both the vets and the youth

to defend him or the FO is incomprehensible.

It's all BS juvenile crap with this team; last year it was the stupid ax cutting down the tree; this year the FDNY sweatshirt. We're going to practice with a 12s shot clock and in the first game after that plant piece the team demonstrates how to waste 12 seconds off each possession with silly weaves and purposeless lazy passing

Fizz's stupidity is as easy to see as this: on offense we run largely iso putting our guy up against their defender of choice. On D we switch a ton so their offensive guy goes up against their defender of choice.

We ask Randle to dribble; DSJ to launch 30' bombs, and Frank to mimic D.ROse

Then after the game we blame the players

and not to nitpick I don't think Tatum has been picked as an allstar (yet though he will be)