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Cartman718
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7/8/2018  10:44 PM
Knox says yes sir in each interview :)
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Welpee
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7/8/2018  10:45 PM
martin wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:
Welpee wrote:This constant switching by Frank, is this by design and is this how we want him playing defense (a la vintage Mike Woodson)?

Tired I think

No. They are switching on purpose

Yeah, Frank was doing this early in the game. Maybe it's part of the position-less basketball philosophy. Everybody needs to be able to guard every position.
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7/8/2018  10:55 PM
i think we're going to see a lot of this in the reqular season. So much talent, lots of hustle but not enough experience to win games. No problem with this as long as they continue to get better.
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7/8/2018  11:08 PM
Trier is really, really selfish. I hate that kind of a player.
Our two way players are Trier and Hicks but I think we can do better elsewhere.
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7/9/2018  2:57 AM
FireHornacek wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Frank off to a good start attacking

The 2018/19 Knicks will not be run through Frank The Frenchman.
And he'll be gone by end of January.
Bank on it.

You dont know basketball...
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7/9/2018  8:40 AM
FireHornacek wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:
FireHornacek wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:
FireHornacek wrote:
Cartman718 wrote: So far he's pretty much on cleanup duty..

Aren't most big men?

no. most elite ones are not JUST on cleanup duty.

The guy has played one game in 17 months!!! You really think he is an elite big man?

i want him to be an elite big man. hence the suggestion that we run plays for him? are you dense?

Dude, you have to crawl before you can walk. You want one game in 17 months Mitchell Robinson to be Dirk? I am more realistic. I just want to see if he can dribble a ball.

Yes. keep expectations low where he can reach them.

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7/9/2018  9:15 AM
reub wrote:Trier is really, really selfish. I hate that kind of a player.
Our two way players are Trier and Hicks but I think we can do better elsewhere.

Yes Trier is selfish....That's his roll... hes a scorer. Frank is unselfish....And most want him to be selfish. It's easier to teach Trier to dial it back some and be like frank. vs teaching frank to be like Trier.

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7/9/2018  10:56 AM
blkexec wrote:
reub wrote:Trier is really, really selfish. I hate that kind of a player.
Our two way players are Trier and Hicks but I think we can do better elsewhere.

Yes Trier is selfish....That's his roll... hes a scorer. Frank is unselfish....And most want him to be selfish. It's easier to teach Trier to dial it back some and be like frank. vs teaching frank to be like Trier.

That doesn't make sense to me. Anybody can learn. How hard it is to learn something all depends on the person.
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7/9/2018  11:44 AM
blkexec wrote:
reub wrote:Trier is really, really selfish. I hate that kind of a player.
Our two way players are Trier and Hicks but I think we can do better elsewhere.

Yes Trier is selfish....That's his roll... hes a scorer. Frank is unselfish....And most want him to be selfish. It's easier to teach Trier to dial it back some and be like frank. vs teaching frank to be like Trier.

I disagree.

I think the league is full of selfish players who never develop a team game. That works for some elite players but for most, it makes them much less valuable than they could be. I'll take the unselfish player who needs to be more aggressive over the chucker any day.

I don't want Frank to be selfish. I just want him to be aggressive - when that's the best play.
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7/9/2018  12:20 PM
OldFan wrote:
blkexec wrote:
reub wrote:Trier is really, really selfish. I hate that kind of a player.
Our two way players are Trier and Hicks but I think we can do better elsewhere.

Yes Trier is selfish....That's his roll... hes a scorer. Frank is unselfish....And most want him to be selfish. It's easier to teach Trier to dial it back some and be like frank. vs teaching frank to be like Trier.

I disagree.

I think the league is full of selfish players who never develop a team game. That works for some elite players but for most, it makes them much less valuable than they could be. I'll take the unselfish player who needs to be more aggressive over the chucker any day.

I don't want Frank to be selfish. I just want him to be aggressive - when that's the best play.


Yep. The bottom line is that there are Triers who land on teams everyear. The G and Chinese leagues are full of 6'5" ish combo guards. Anyone remember Marshon Brooks? If Trier wants to stick, he's going to have to show he has other aspects to his game. He's not good enough to keep shooting the way he is. Summer League isn't the place to improve on these areas, but I look forward to see him figuring things out in the G-League.
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7/9/2018  12:42 PM
Welpee wrote:
martin wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:
Welpee wrote:This constant switching by Frank, is this by design and is this how we want him playing defense (a la vintage Mike Woodson)?

Tired I think

No. They are switching on purpose

Yeah, Frank was doing this early in the game. Maybe it's part of the position-less basketball philosophy. Everybody needs to be able to guard every position.

Works because of Frank's size and wingspan...Mudiay might be able to do it, too(Has the size...does he have the toughness?)...not sure it works with Burke.

I expect they will things differently with Trey in the lineup.

EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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7/9/2018  12:47 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
Welpee wrote:
martin wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:
Welpee wrote:This constant switching by Frank, is this by design and is this how we want him playing defense (a la vintage Mike Woodson)?

Tired I think

No. They are switching on purpose

Yeah, Frank was doing this early in the game. Maybe it's part of the position-less basketball philosophy. Everybody needs to be able to guard every position.

Works because of Frank's size and wingspan...Mudiay might be able to do it, too(Has the size...does he have the toughness?)...not sure it works with Burke.

I expect they will things differently with Trey in the lineup.

I think Mudiay is tough enough. But he needs to do a better job recogning the right reads staying on his feet and focusing. I agree about Burke. The positive with Burke is that he gave solid effort. Hope he continues that.

Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
WaltLongmire
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7/9/2018  12:51 PM
Cartman718 wrote:
FireHornacek wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:
What does hitting the lottery have to do with helping win games in today's NBA? I could care a damn if he was getting paid $20 mill or $200 mill.

I don't want to be rude, but grow up.

You are still under the impression that the NBA is a team game. Sh!t I realized that was a joke when I was about eight years old.

The NBA (NFL, MLB, NHL) are INDIVIDUAL leagues. You get what you can for yourself. You think when a player goes in to negotiate his contract he goes in there with 14 teammates? No, man, he is on his own. You play your game for yourself. Dwight may have done that --- and he was rewarded handsomely for that. Big paycheck, big boobed Baby Mama.

lol you have the same problem as Playa2 and Briggs. and that's saying a lot.


Have a feeling that Martin/Andrew are paying FireHornacek to be provocative and spice things up...

UK sponsors are pressuring the UK hierarchy...they want more pizazz...Trump type BS and provocation is sexy, now. Not enough in your face insults and personal attacks going on around here.

The times they are a changing...

EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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7/9/2018  1:16 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:
FireHornacek wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:
What does hitting the lottery have to do with helping win games in today's NBA? I could care a damn if he was getting paid $20 mill or $200 mill.

I don't want to be rude, but grow up.

You are still under the impression that the NBA is a team game. Sh!t I realized that was a joke when I was about eight years old.

The NBA (NFL, MLB, NHL) are INDIVIDUAL leagues. You get what you can for yourself. You think when a player goes in to negotiate his contract he goes in there with 14 teammates? No, man, he is on his own. You play your game for yourself. Dwight may have done that --- and he was rewarded handsomely for that. Big paycheck, big boobed Baby Mama.

lol you have the same problem as Playa2 and Briggs. and that's saying a lot.


Have a feeling that Martin/Andrew are paying FireHornacek to be provocative and spice things up...

UK sponsors are pressuring the UK hierarchy...they want more pizazz...Trump type BS and provocation is sexy, now. Not enough in your face insults and personal attacks going on around here.

The times they are a changing...

I think FireHoranacek is already banned. He will be back under a different name

fishmike 9/27/2024 11:00 PM Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years. First Leon move I hate
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7/9/2018  1:35 PM
BigRedDog wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:
FireHornacek wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:
What does hitting the lottery have to do with helping win games in today's NBA? I could care a damn if he was getting paid $20 mill or $200 mill.

I don't want to be rude, but grow up.

You are still under the impression that the NBA is a team game. Sh!t I realized that was a joke when I was about eight years old.

The NBA (NFL, MLB, NHL) are INDIVIDUAL leagues. You get what you can for yourself. You think when a player goes in to negotiate his contract he goes in there with 14 teammates? No, man, he is on his own. You play your game for yourself. Dwight may have done that --- and he was rewarded handsomely for that. Big paycheck, big boobed Baby Mama.

lol you have the same problem as Playa2 and Briggs. and that's saying a lot.


Have a feeling that Martin/Andrew are paying FireHornacek to be provocative and spice things up...

UK sponsors are pressuring the UK hierarchy...they want more pizazz...Trump type BS and provocation is sexy, now. Not enough in your face insults and personal attacks going on around here.

The times they are a changing...

I think FireHoranacek is already banned. He will be back under a different name

He got fired

WaltLongmire
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BigDaddyG wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
Welpee wrote:
martin wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:
Welpee wrote:This constant switching by Frank, is this by design and is this how we want him playing defense (a la vintage Mike Woodson)?

Tired I think

No. They are switching on purpose

Yeah, Frank was doing this early in the game. Maybe it's part of the position-less basketball philosophy. Everybody needs to be able to guard every position.

Works because of Frank's size and wingspan...Mudiay might be able to do it, too(Has the size...does he have the toughness?)...not sure it works with Burke.

I expect they will things differently with Trey in the lineup.

I think Mudiay is tough enough. But he needs to do a better job recogning the right reads staying on his feet and focusing. I agree about Burke. The positive with Burke is that he gave solid effort. Hope he continues that.


I though Burke played tough 1/1 D last year...I like the fact that he stayed in front of his man well. Much less effective on pick and roll D, but I think he is strong for his size. He has an attitude, which I like. In that way he reminds me of Isiah Thomas when he was with Boston.

Mudiay has the size and length to be a good defender...the brains, we will see, but I've always though he played weaker on a switch than he should. We will see.

EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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ekstarks94 wrote:
BigRedDog wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:
FireHornacek wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:
What does hitting the lottery have to do with helping win games in today's NBA? I could care a damn if he was getting paid $20 mill or $200 mill.

I don't want to be rude, but grow up.

You are still under the impression that the NBA is a team game. Sh!t I realized that was a joke when I was about eight years old.

The NBA (NFL, MLB, NHL) are INDIVIDUAL leagues. You get what you can for yourself. You think when a player goes in to negotiate his contract he goes in there with 14 teammates? No, man, he is on his own. You play your game for yourself. Dwight may have done that --- and he was rewarded handsomely for that. Big paycheck, big boobed Baby Mama.

lol you have the same problem as Playa2 and Briggs. and that's saying a lot.


Have a feeling that Martin/Andrew are paying FireHornacek to be provocative and spice things up...

UK sponsors are pressuring the UK hierarchy...they want more pizazz...Trump type BS and provocation is sexy, now. Not enough in your face insults and personal attacks going on around here.

The times they are a changing...

I think FireHoranacek is already banned. He will be back under a different name

He got fired


A great loss for us all...Never took him (her?) seriously, though.
EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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7/10/2018  1:04 PM
BigRedDog wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:
FireHornacek wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:
What does hitting the lottery have to do with helping win games in today's NBA? I could care a damn if he was getting paid $20 mill or $200 mill.

I don't want to be rude, but grow up.

You are still under the impression that the NBA is a team game. Sh!t I realized that was a joke when I was about eight years old.

The NBA (NFL, MLB, NHL) are INDIVIDUAL leagues. You get what you can for yourself. You think when a player goes in to negotiate his contract he goes in there with 14 teammates? No, man, he is on his own. You play your game for yourself. Dwight may have done that --- and he was rewarded handsomely for that. Big paycheck, big boobed Baby Mama.

lol you have the same problem as Playa2 and Briggs. and that's saying a lot.


Have a feeling that Martin/Andrew are paying FireHornacek to be provocative and spice things up...

UK sponsors are pressuring the UK hierarchy...they want more pizazz...Trump type BS and provocation is sexy, now. Not enough in your face insults and personal attacks going on around here.

The times they are a changing...

I think FireHoranacek is already banned. He will be back under a different name

ChuckBuckian...
Cartman718
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7/10/2018  5:15 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
BigRedDog wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:
FireHornacek wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:
What does hitting the lottery have to do with helping win games in today's NBA? I could care a damn if he was getting paid $20 mill or $200 mill.

I don't want to be rude, but grow up.

You are still under the impression that the NBA is a team game. Sh!t I realized that was a joke when I was about eight years old.

The NBA (NFL, MLB, NHL) are INDIVIDUAL leagues. You get what you can for yourself. You think when a player goes in to negotiate his contract he goes in there with 14 teammates? No, man, he is on his own. You play your game for yourself. Dwight may have done that --- and he was rewarded handsomely for that. Big paycheck, big boobed Baby Mama.

lol you have the same problem as Playa2 and Briggs. and that's saying a lot.


Have a feeling that Martin/Andrew are paying FireHornacek to be provocative and spice things up...

UK sponsors are pressuring the UK hierarchy...they want more pizazz...Trump type BS and provocation is sexy, now. Not enough in your face insults and personal attacks going on around here.

The times they are a changing...

I think FireHoranacek is already banned. He will be back under a different name

ChuckBuckian...

lmao

Nixluva is posting triangle screen grabs, even when nobody asks - Fishmike. LOL So are we going to reference that thread like the bible now? "The thread of Wroten Page 14 post 9" - EnySpree
smackeddog
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7/10/2018  5:50 PM
Ah, so this is a big reason for Robert Williams fall in the draft:


On top of that he missed his first media interview after being drafted, missed his first practice and has been injured for most of summer league.
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