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fishmike
Posts: 53837 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
![]() GustavBahler wrote:Yes.. please. Lets resign Kanter. Who needs cap space for Kyrie Irving or other players that will actually get the team better. When our cap is packed with guys like THJ and Kanter and may the parades begin.fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:you keep peddling the crapola that Kanter is one of the best players in the league. Kanter's interior defense doesnt matter when you dont need to go there to exploit him. Harping on Kanter's interior defense is like talking about farts in the wind. Zero impact defensively on games and opposing centers have bloated EFF%fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:which when it comes to defense means nothing...fishmike wrote:Welpee wrote:http://www.82games.com/1718/17NYK21.HTMMarkji wrote:And last year he wasn't as bad as advertised on the defensive end. No, he wasn't great but he wasn't as big a liability as a lot of us feared. Now I assume this is where somebody posts some advance stat that is suppose to the be final word on any argument in spite of what you actually witnessed on the court.TripleThreat wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:reub wrote:Welpee wrote:TripleThreat wrote:The issue isn't Kanter's continued development, rather his fit in whatever system Fizdale runs.Welpee wrote:Questions: Show me the numbers where Kanter protects the rim. I must have blinked. Every stat I have found shows the Knicks immediately improve defensively the minute Enes walks off the court. Kanter is a nice stop gap pick up in a trade for a player we needed gone. Resigning him to what he's getting now would be a solid step in ensuring we stay mediocre but the chest pounding would be fun when we almost win, like during his great Phili performance. I actually like Kanter, just not at the price or value he thinks he's worth. Yes... the Lopez money is about right. Zero defense. Zero passing. He crashes the boards, he gets buckets and he gets exploited on defense. Class of the Position: Joel Embiid, Philadelphia 76ers (7.54); Rudy Gobert, Utah Jazz (7.24); Al Horford, Boston Celtics (6.11); David West, Golden State Warriors (7.98) Showed you the inflated #s opposing centers have vs. Kanter We can do this all day.. if you are arguing Kanter's value you are on the wrong side of reality. Have at it... "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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knicks1248
Posts: 42059 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/3/2004 Member: #582 |
![]() newyorker4ever wrote:knicks1248 wrote:nykshaknbake wrote:If O Quinn and Kanter leave, it's fine. Without KP this is another tank year anyway. Let the kids play! Kornet, Robinson should get plenty of time and we are paying oah 18 mill anyway. He'll want to showcase himself for free agency, so it would seem to work out. True, but still, i really don't see KP ever playing more than 65 games, especially(even if he's a 100% healthy) with that condition he has. ES
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Markji
Posts: 22753 Alba Posts: -4 Joined: 9/14/2007 Member: #1673 USA |
![]() Fishmike Sorry Fish, but I guess you didn't look at the clip I posted just above your comment. Give it a look and see that the net negative wasn't at all due to Kanter. See him pass to wide-open Knicks and they miss the shot. See the hustle. See the positioning he takes. See how he moves to protect the paint. Etc. The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense.
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martin
Posts: 76242 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
![]() Markji wrote:Fishmike 1 clip does not make an argument. I can't believe we are at that point. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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nykshaknbake
Posts: 22247 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 11/15/2003 Member: #492 |
![]() Markji wrote:Fishmike Your argument is video clip vs a season's worth of stats? |
fishmike
Posts: 53837 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
![]() Markji wrote:I'm putting this up not to show statistics but to show Kanter's hustle:I watched the game all year. Kanter is fun. He plays hard. He gets into it. Opting in for $18mm? Sure... he's a stop gap. The debate is resigning him, and assuming he wants a similar salary giving him another 4 years at $18-$25mm is about the dumbest thing they could do. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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Markji
Posts: 22753 Alba Posts: -4 Joined: 9/14/2007 Member: #1673 USA |
![]() martin wrote:Markji wrote:Fishmike Yes, I said that. The clip shows the hustle, not the stats. It's not highlights. Its a game. Fish said "zero passing" - well Kanter passed 2x but the knicks missed their wide open shots. That's not zero passing. That is a made-up comment - fake news. Fish said zero defense - Kanter is playing very good defense. Especially against D Howard. And switching men. That again is not zero defense. What I am and have been saying - you and others use hyperbole and extremes to describe Kanter as being bad and they just don't hold up. The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense.
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GustavBahler
Posts: 42813 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
![]() fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Yes.. please. Lets resign Kanter. Who needs cap space for Kyrie Irving or other players that will actually get the team better. When our cap is packed with guys like THJ and Kanter and may the parades begin.fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:you keep peddling the crapola that Kanter is one of the best players in the league. Kanter's interior defense doesnt matter when you dont need to go there to exploit him. Harping on Kanter's interior defense is like talking about farts in the wind. Zero impact defensively on games and opposing centers have bloated EFF%fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:which when it comes to defense means nothing...fishmike wrote:Welpee wrote:http://www.82games.com/1718/17NYK21.HTMMarkji wrote:And last year he wasn't as bad as advertised on the defensive end. No, he wasn't great but he wasn't as big a liability as a lot of us feared. Now I assume this is where somebody posts some advance stat that is suppose to the be final word on any argument in spite of what you actually witnessed on the court.TripleThreat wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:reub wrote:Welpee wrote:TripleThreat wrote:The issue isn't Kanter's continued development, rather his fit in whatever system Fizdale runs.Welpee wrote:Questions: Right, you want to explode the cap for someone who probably has the knees of a 40 year old by now, after all his surgeries. You can find very good players in these numbers with the same differential. Doesnt mean they should be paid at bargain basement prices either. https://stats.nba.com/players/defense-dash-lt6/?sort=FGA_LT_06&dir=1 |
martin
Posts: 76242 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
![]() Markji wrote:martin wrote:Markji wrote:Fishmike You thought Fish LITERALLY meant that Kanter didn't once in the whole year pass the ball or more like he's pretty much a black hole? Literally never had 1 defensive play or on the whole was a bad defensive player. Really man, this is kind of a stupid way to make a point. And if you want to debase yourself and use the phrase Fake News, have at it, but it's played and meaningless Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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newyorker4ever
Posts: 26515 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/19/2014 Member: #5816 |
![]() Markji wrote:I'm putting this up not to show statistics but to show Kanter's hustle:
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newyorker4ever
Posts: 26515 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/19/2014 Member: #5816 |
![]() knicks1248 wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:knicks1248 wrote:nykshaknbake wrote:If O Quinn and Kanter leave, it's fine. Without KP this is another tank year anyway. Let the kids play! Kornet, Robinson should get plenty of time and we are paying oah 18 mill anyway. He'll want to showcase himself for free agency, so it would seem to work out.
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Markji
Posts: 22753 Alba Posts: -4 Joined: 9/14/2007 Member: #1673 USA |
![]() fishmike wrote:Markji wrote:I'm putting this up not to show statistics but to show Kanter's hustle:I watched the game all year. Kanter is fun. He plays hard. He gets into it. Opting in for $18mm? Sure... he's a stop gap. Ok Fish. I actually will agree with you on not re-signing Kanter for extended years at $18 to $25 million. Not because I don't think Kanter is worth $18 million in today's NBA but because we want cap space to fulfill our dream to sign Kyrie. Kanter, if he opts in, is worth the $18.6 million, IMHO. The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense.
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Markji
Posts: 22753 Alba Posts: -4 Joined: 9/14/2007 Member: #1673 USA |
![]() martin wrote:Markji wrote:martin wrote:Markji wrote:Fishmike OK Martin....It's becoming too personal so I will stop posting on this thread. The above clip was an analysis of Kanter's play not a highlights clip. I don't think you or Fish even bothered to watch it. My comment above this one - I'll agree with Fish on not offering Kanter a big extension. I hope Kanter opts in for this year and we sign Kyrie next year. The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense.
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reub
Posts: 21836 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/13/2016 Member: #6227 |
![]() GoNyGoNyGo wrote:reub wrote:Kanter tweeted something with In and Out in it. After we do the sign and trade we re-sign O'Quinn, who would become our starting five. We would do well to try to get Kelly Oubre this well. And the trade works on the NBA trade machine too. |
Gudris
Posts: 21011 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 12/12/2015 Member: #6213 |
![]() Kanter is opting in
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SupremeCommander
Posts: 34057 Alba Posts: 35 Joined: 4/28/2006 Member: #1127 |
![]() Markji wrote:martin wrote:Markji wrote:martin wrote:Markji wrote:Fishmike I gotta agree with this. martin, your house your rules... but this really seems to get you hot for some reason DLeethal wrote:
Lol Rick needs a safe space
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SupremeCommander
Posts: 34057 Alba Posts: 35 Joined: 4/28/2006 Member: #1127 |
![]() Gudris wrote:Kanter is opting in I am happy about it. We get one more year to see if he can continue to develop. More importantly, Kanter is protecting our cap space next year, which is effing awesome. The last thing we need to do is overpay another THJ... I'd much rather wait until next year DLeethal wrote:
Lol Rick needs a safe space
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smackeddog
Posts: 38390 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 3/30/2005 Member: #883 |
![]() Gudris wrote:Kanter is opting in There's no way he won't- if he stays he gets the front court to himself and can really showcase himself for next year. Plus if he can demonstrate he's developed a 3pt shot, it adds to his value. Plus there's no money or market for him this offseason and he likes New York. Latest article: New York Knicks center Enes Kanter is leaning heavily toward exercising his $18.6 million player option for 2018-19, sources told ESPN on Thursday. |
knicks1248
Posts: 42059 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/3/2004 Member: #582 |
![]() smackeddog wrote:Gudris wrote:Kanter is opting in I wouldn't say there isn't a market for him, but it's definitely slim. I really like Kanter, love his attitude more than anything ES
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