knicks1248 wrote:

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knicks1248 wrote:either other rookies could care less, or he's not that good,

Arguably, one of the most ignorant conclusions you could have reached.

Already got shot down by folks here who concluded, quite logically, that not having seen Frank play in college or in the SL just might have hurt his chances in this survey.

But hey...don't let logic interfere with your position...right?

Oh...by the way, are the fans of ALL the teams which picked ahead of Dallas apoplectic over this survey? Everybody had a chance to pick Smith, one of the older players chosen in the lottery, I think, and about 2 years older than our guy. Are they up in arms over THEIR team not choosing him, since he seems to be a lock for ROY?

Might want to give Frenchie some time...no?

basically you called yourself ignorant by saying what I said in different words.

I already said other rookies have little to no knowledge of who he really is, neither do we, so wtf are you talking about?

In fact, we really don't know what any of the rookies will amount to

"or he's not that good." Not ignorant enough to make this statement YOU made though, am I.

Nothing I said puts me on your level, thankfully.

Nalod completely shot you down with the KP vote. The vote is meaningless, and considering Frenchie did not play in SL or at an American college, the vote becomes ridiculous as far as he is concerned.

Either you were trying to be provocative, or you have no idea of how to reason. Which one was it, bro.

He has possibly half the board(random measurement) trying to figure that out when he post. lol

Look, berman wrote the article, i posted the article because im sure we are all hoping frank turns out great.

Now because i said i would be livid (like thousands of other fans) if he turns out to be trash, one guy say's thats ignorant statement, another guy brings up kp's votes, i don't know what im talking about.

You guys are pretty much trolling because i never said i didn't like frank, never sided with the rookies or the article.

I don't write ignorant sht, just remember, i was the first to praise woodson when he took over, and the first to say he was done, first to call out fisher and put him on the hot seat, was on board with phil and one of the first to say he's not going to make it, and i was never on board with trading melo this off season. lOOK AT HOW IT ALL TURNS OUT..

certain sht you can see early, and some have accused me of been negative, but i hardly ever come back and say i told you this sht was going to happen. Some of you just take longer to realize the inevitable.

But just so you know..FRANK IS MY GUY RIGHT NOW, he' a knick, I'm hoping he's top 3 in his class. If he's not, heads will roll

I will be happy if Frank is a reliable two way player. Thats the minimum for me. We're setting ourselves up for disappointment if Frank has to become a star to justify the pick.

Its a bad look if Dennis Smith jr. becomes a 5 time All Star

Let's be clear, it's a "bad look" for those who engage in second guessing and faux outrage in the Internet bubble.

The internet bubble in which you are more than a willing participant.

That's obvious.

Doesn't mean I endorse typical ridiculous behaviors.

No one cares about your endorsements.

And no one cares about premature handwringing over a draft pick.

All the man said was that it wouldn't look good if the Knicks passed up on a player who became a multiple all-star, and you turn it into "faux outrage". You always seem to be the one who is outraged by something someone says here.

Steph marbury was a multi all star too the question is will dsj make others better because right now that is not the case. He's just a stat stuffer that takes plays off

Didn't DSJ lead the ACC in assists? Sounds like it was a real f'ed up situation there between the coaching staff, and his injury. Some fans might be underestimating Frank's ability to get to the rim, and underestimating DSJ's ability to be a floor general as well. Cant wait to find out.

Didn't step marbury led the league in multi years of averaging over 20 points and 8 assists... stats are just stats if you cant make your teammates better this is especially the case for the point guard position.

Understood. I dont believe you are factoring in that DSJ wasn't on a very good team, but still was able to lead the league. Shows there is an ability to be a floor general. You seem to believe that there is something about his character that will prevent him from becoming one. Too early to tell for sure, but from what I have read, this was a kid trying to make the best out of a bad situation, and sometimes acted like a kid. In college.

Believe its too early to say that DSJ cant be a leader. Thought there was enough in DSJ as a player to take that risk.

Not too long until we get an idea of what Frank brings to the table in actual NBA action. Thats all that counts now.

True, as with all these draft picks, time will tell. I still think Frank has all the ability to become a star two way player in this league. DSJ can be a offensive star if he matures, with that said they have completely different skill sets. So each will be different types of stars if they take their games to that level.

Agreed

How do you come to that conclusion with haven't seen anything but youtube highlights. do you think rambis or jh can turn this kid into a really good player?

Knikki1248 has a real problem with JH and especially Rambis.
BTW, the "K" is silent.
I think God has a speacial plan for Ntilikina.......
He does with Smith, thats why he gave him that extra tendon in his leg.

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:either other rookies could care less, or he's not that good,

Arguably, one of the most ignorant conclusions you could have reached.

Already got shot down by folks here who concluded, quite logically, that not having seen Frank play in college or in the SL just might have hurt his chances in this survey.

But hey...don't let logic interfere with your position...right?

Oh...by the way, are the fans of ALL the teams which picked ahead of Dallas apoplectic over this survey? Everybody had a chance to pick Smith, one of the older players chosen in the lottery, I think, and about 2 years older than our guy. Are they up in arms over THEIR team not choosing him, since he seems to be a lock for ROY?

Might want to give Frenchie some time...no?

basically you called yourself ignorant by saying what I said in different words.

I already said other rookies have little to no knowledge of who he really is, neither do we, so wtf are you talking about?

In fact, we really don't know what any of the rookies will amount to

"or he's not that good." Not ignorant enough to make this statement YOU made though, am I.

Nothing I said puts me on your level, thankfully.

Nalod completely shot you down with the KP vote. The vote is meaningless, and considering Frenchie did not play in SL or at an American college, the vote becomes ridiculous as far as he is concerned.

Either you were trying to be provocative, or you have no idea of how to reason. Which one was it, bro.

He has possibly half the board(random measurement) trying to figure that out when he post. lol

Look, berman wrote the article, i posted the article because im sure we are all hoping frank turns out great.

Now because i said i would be livid (like thousands of other fans) if he turns out to be trash, one guy say's thats ignorant statement, another guy brings up kp's votes, i don't know what im talking about.

You guys are pretty much trolling because i never said i didn't like frank, never sided with the rookies or the article.

I don't write ignorant sht, just remember, i was the first to praise woodson when he took over, and the first to say he was done, first to call out fisher and put him on the hot seat, was on board with phil and one of the first to say he's not going to make it, and i was never on board with trading melo this off season. lOOK AT HOW IT ALL TURNS OUT..

certain sht you can see early, and some have accused me of been negative, but i hardly ever come back and say i told you this sht was going to happen. Some of you just take longer to realize the inevitable.

But just so you know..FRANK IS MY GUY RIGHT NOW, he' a knick, I'm hoping he's top 3 in his class. If he's not, heads will roll

I will be happy if Frank is a reliable two way player. Thats the minimum for me. We're setting ourselves up for disappointment if Frank has to become a star to justify the pick.

Its a bad look if Dennis Smith jr. becomes a 5 time All Star

Let's be clear, it's a "bad look" for those who engage in second guessing and faux outrage in the Internet bubble.

The internet bubble in which you are more than a willing participant.

That's obvious.

Doesn't mean I endorse typical ridiculous behaviors.

No one cares about your endorsements.

And no one cares about premature handwringing over a draft pick.

All the man said was that it wouldn't look good if the Knicks passed up on a player who became a multiple all-star, and you turn it into "faux outrage". You always seem to be the one who is outraged by something someone says here.

Me personally I wouldn't agree with that premise. The success that Smith Jr or any other prospect has with their respective teams doesn't necessarily mean the same success with the Knicks in NY. The draft is a crap shoot as it is. And all you can do is draft based on scouting, sound logic, due diligence. Frank checks a lot of boxes as a prospect. Smith in his scouting report has concerns about character and previous injury but has great tools. If we replayed this same scenario with multiple different prospects. The results would most likely vary.

But I believe the logic behind drafting Frank is pretty sound regardless. Don't know what his ceiling is. People have tried to limit it but the truth is we don't know yet, he doesn't have the amount of possible downside that Smith does when you consider the character concerns and injury. But Smith is more of a sure thing in terms of production imo. But Smith's potential downside is the last thing the Knicks need.

The premise was that DSJ would be on 5 all star teams. Might agree with you if it was just one all star appearance, not 5. Thats more than a few lucky breaks. You have to be a special player to do that.

I believe DSJ's upside outweight the negatives. Have to disagree with you there. Frank is more of a guess IMO, from what I have seen.

Yea, I wasn't basing it off of 5 all star appearances. For us he is more of a guess but the Knicks have scouted him all year and have sent execs to watch him personally. They have more insight into him then we do. And have been scouting internationally heavily during the Phil era.

To me an oversized 18 yr old guard with a 7'ft wingspan, elite defensive tools and measurements. high bball IQ, jump shot with ability to shoot off the dribble, passing vision of a PG , high character, strong work ethic, eats and sleeps bball. Played professionally already vs grown men some of who have experience college and some played in the NBA already. In a crap shoot type of process with the draft. Its a sound investment.

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:either other rookies could care less, or he's not that good,

Arguably, one of the most ignorant conclusions you could have reached.

Already got shot down by folks here who concluded, quite logically, that not having seen Frank play in college or in the SL just might have hurt his chances in this survey.

But hey...don't let logic interfere with your position...right?

Oh...by the way, are the fans of ALL the teams which picked ahead of Dallas apoplectic over this survey? Everybody had a chance to pick Smith, one of the older players chosen in the lottery, I think, and about 2 years older than our guy. Are they up in arms over THEIR team not choosing him, since he seems to be a lock for ROY?

Might want to give Frenchie some time...no?

basically you called yourself ignorant by saying what I said in different words.

I already said other rookies have little to no knowledge of who he really is, neither do we, so wtf are you talking about?

In fact, we really don't know what any of the rookies will amount to

"or he's not that good." Not ignorant enough to make this statement YOU made though, am I.

Nothing I said puts me on your level, thankfully.

Nalod completely shot you down with the KP vote. The vote is meaningless, and considering Frenchie did not play in SL or at an American college, the vote becomes ridiculous as far as he is concerned.

Either you were trying to be provocative, or you have no idea of how to reason. Which one was it, bro.

He has possibly half the board(random measurement) trying to figure that out when he post. lol

Look, berman wrote the article, i posted the article because im sure we are all hoping frank turns out great.

Now because i said i would be livid (like thousands of other fans) if he turns out to be trash, one guy say's thats ignorant statement, another guy brings up kp's votes, i don't know what im talking about.

You guys are pretty much trolling because i never said i didn't like frank, never sided with the rookies or the article.

I don't write ignorant sht, just remember, i was the first to praise woodson when he took over, and the first to say he was done, first to call out fisher and put him on the hot seat, was on board with phil and one of the first to say he's not going to make it, and i was never on board with trading melo this off season. lOOK AT HOW IT ALL TURNS OUT..

certain sht you can see early, and some have accused me of been negative, but i hardly ever come back and say i told you this sht was going to happen. Some of you just take longer to realize the inevitable.

But just so you know..FRANK IS MY GUY RIGHT NOW, he' a knick, I'm hoping he's top 3 in his class. If he's not, heads will roll

I will be happy if Frank is a reliable two way player. Thats the minimum for me. We're setting ourselves up for disappointment if Frank has to become a star to justify the pick.

Its a bad look if Dennis Smith jr. becomes a 5 time All Star

Let's be clear, it's a "bad look" for those who engage in second guessing and faux outrage in the Internet bubble.

The internet bubble in which you are more than a willing participant.

That's obvious.

Doesn't mean I endorse typical ridiculous behaviors.

No one cares about your endorsements.

And no one cares about premature handwringing over a draft pick.

All the man said was that it wouldn't look good if the Knicks passed up on a player who became a multiple all-star, and you turn it into "faux outrage". You always seem to be the one who is outraged by something someone says here.

Steph marbury was a multi all star too the question is will dsj make others better because right now that is not the case. He's just a stat stuffer that takes plays off

Didn't DSJ lead the ACC in assists? Sounds like it was a real f'ed up situation there between the coaching staff, and his injury. Some fans might be underestimating Frank's ability to get to the rim, and underestimating DSJ's ability to be a floor general as well. Cant wait to find out.

Didn't step marbury led the league in multi years of averaging over 20 points and 8 assists... stats are just stats if you cant make your teammates better this is especially the case for the point guard position.

Understood. I dont believe you are factoring in that DSJ wasn't on a very good team, but still was able to lead the league. Shows there is an ability to be a floor general. You seem to believe that there is something about his character that will prevent him from becoming one. Too early to tell for sure, but from what I have read, this was a kid trying to make the best out of a bad situation, and sometimes acted like a kid. In college.

Believe its too early to say that DSJ cant be a leader. Thought there was enough in DSJ as a player to take that risk.

Not too long until we get an idea of what Frank brings to the table in actual NBA action. Thats all that counts now.

True, as with all these draft picks, time will tell. I still think Frank has all the ability to become a star two way player in this league. DSJ can be a offensive star if he matures, with that said they have completely different skill sets. So each will be different types of stars if they take their games to that level.

Agreed

How do you come to that conclusion with haven't seen anything but youtube highlights. do you think rambis or jh can turn this kid into a really good player?

What the hell have you seen Nostradamus to be talking like you are anything but in the same boat?

I'm not the one predicting anything, that's you guys.. in fact if you read the sentence correctly, my question was regarding his development under a bunch of suspect coaches.

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:either other rookies could care less, or he's not that good,

Arguably, one of the most ignorant conclusions you could have reached.

Already got shot down by folks here who concluded, quite logically, that not having seen Frank play in college or in the SL just might have hurt his chances in this survey.

But hey...don't let logic interfere with your position...right?

Oh...by the way, are the fans of ALL the teams which picked ahead of Dallas apoplectic over this survey? Everybody had a chance to pick Smith, one of the older players chosen in the lottery, I think, and about 2 years older than our guy. Are they up in arms over THEIR team not choosing him, since he seems to be a lock for ROY?

Might want to give Frenchie some time...no?

basically you called yourself ignorant by saying what I said in different words.

I already said other rookies have little to no knowledge of who he really is, neither do we, so wtf are you talking about?

In fact, we really don't know what any of the rookies will amount to

"or he's not that good." Not ignorant enough to make this statement YOU made though, am I.

Nothing I said puts me on your level, thankfully.

Nalod completely shot you down with the KP vote. The vote is meaningless, and considering Frenchie did not play in SL or at an American college, the vote becomes ridiculous as far as he is concerned.

Either you were trying to be provocative, or you have no idea of how to reason. Which one was it, bro.

He has possibly half the board(random measurement) trying to figure that out when he post. lol

Look, berman wrote the article, i posted the article because im sure we are all hoping frank turns out great.

Now because i said i would be livid (like thousands of other fans) if he turns out to be trash, one guy say's thats ignorant statement, another guy brings up kp's votes, i don't know what im talking about.

You guys are pretty much trolling because i never said i didn't like frank, never sided with the rookies or the article.

I don't write ignorant sht, just remember, i was the first to praise woodson when he took over, and the first to say he was done, first to call out fisher and put him on the hot seat, was on board with phil and one of the first to say he's not going to make it, and i was never on board with trading melo this off season. lOOK AT HOW IT ALL TURNS OUT..

certain sht you can see early, and some have accused me of been negative, but i hardly ever come back and say i told you this sht was going to happen. Some of you just take longer to realize the inevitable.

But just so you know..FRANK IS MY GUY RIGHT NOW, he' a knick, I'm hoping he's top 3 in his class. If he's not, heads will roll

I will be happy if Frank is a reliable two way player. Thats the minimum for me. We're setting ourselves up for disappointment if Frank has to become a star to justify the pick.

Its a bad look if Dennis Smith jr. becomes a 5 time All Star

Let's be clear, it's a "bad look" for those who engage in second guessing and faux outrage in the Internet bubble.

The internet bubble in which you are more than a willing participant.

That's obvious.

Doesn't mean I endorse typical ridiculous behaviors.

No one cares about your endorsements.

And no one cares about premature handwringing over a draft pick.

All the man said was that it wouldn't look good if the Knicks passed up on a player who became a multiple all-star, and you turn it into "faux outrage". You always seem to be the one who is outraged by something someone says here.

Steph marbury was a multi all star too the question is will dsj make others better because right now that is not the case. He's just a stat stuffer that takes plays off

Didn't DSJ lead the ACC in assists? Sounds like it was a real f'ed up situation there between the coaching staff, and his injury. Some fans might be underestimating Frank's ability to get to the rim, and underestimating DSJ's ability to be a floor general as well. Cant wait to find out.

Didn't step marbury led the league in multi years of averaging over 20 points and 8 assists... stats are just stats if you cant make your teammates better this is especially the case for the point guard position.

Understood. I dont believe you are factoring in that DSJ wasn't on a very good team, but still was able to lead the league. Shows there is an ability to be a floor general. You seem to believe that there is something about his character that will prevent him from becoming one. Too early to tell for sure, but from what I have read, this was a kid trying to make the best out of a bad situation, and sometimes acted like a kid. In college.

Believe its too early to say that DSJ cant be a leader. Thought there was enough in DSJ as a player to take that risk.

Not too long until we get an idea of what Frank brings to the table in actual NBA action. Thats all that counts now.

True, as with all these draft picks, time will tell. I still think Frank has all the ability to become a star two way player in this league. DSJ can be a offensive star if he matures, with that said they have completely different skill sets. So each will be different types of stars if they take their games to that level.

Agreed

How do you come to that conclusion with haven't seen anything but youtube highlights. do you think rambis or jh can turn this kid into a really good player?

What the hell have you seen Nostradamus to be talking like you are anything but in the same boat?

I'm not the one predicting anything, that's you guys.. in fact if you read the sentence correctly, my question was regarding his development under a bunch of suspect coaches.

No it wasn't.

"Im going to be livid if this kid is a major project"

I think most people would interpret that to mean if he arrives to the Knicks as a major project rather as a ready to excel prospect as demonstrated by summer league.

newyorknewyork wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:either other rookies could care less, or he's not that good,

Arguably, one of the most ignorant conclusions you could have reached.

Already got shot down by folks here who concluded, quite logically, that not having seen Frank play in college or in the SL just might have hurt his chances in this survey.

But hey...don't let logic interfere with your position...right?

Oh...by the way, are the fans of ALL the teams which picked ahead of Dallas apoplectic over this survey? Everybody had a chance to pick Smith, one of the older players chosen in the lottery, I think, and about 2 years older than our guy. Are they up in arms over THEIR team not choosing him, since he seems to be a lock for ROY?

Might want to give Frenchie some time...no?

basically you called yourself ignorant by saying what I said in different words.

I already said other rookies have little to no knowledge of who he really is, neither do we, so wtf are you talking about?

In fact, we really don't know what any of the rookies will amount to

"or he's not that good." Not ignorant enough to make this statement YOU made though, am I.

Nothing I said puts me on your level, thankfully.

Nalod completely shot you down with the KP vote. The vote is meaningless, and considering Frenchie did not play in SL or at an American college, the vote becomes ridiculous as far as he is concerned.

Either you were trying to be provocative, or you have no idea of how to reason. Which one was it, bro.

He has possibly half the board(random measurement) trying to figure that out when he post. lol

Look, berman wrote the article, i posted the article because im sure we are all hoping frank turns out great.

Now because i said i would be livid (like thousands of other fans) if he turns out to be trash, one guy say's thats ignorant statement, another guy brings up kp's votes, i don't know what im talking about.

You guys are pretty much trolling because i never said i didn't like frank, never sided with the rookies or the article.

I don't write ignorant sht, just remember, i was the first to praise woodson when he took over, and the first to say he was done, first to call out fisher and put him on the hot seat, was on board with phil and one of the first to say he's not going to make it, and i was never on board with trading melo this off season. lOOK AT HOW IT ALL TURNS OUT..

certain sht you can see early, and some have accused me of been negative, but i hardly ever come back and say i told you this sht was going to happen. Some of you just take longer to realize the inevitable.

But just so you know..FRANK IS MY GUY RIGHT NOW, he' a knick, I'm hoping he's top 3 in his class. If he's not, heads will roll

What are things as a prospect do you like about Frank? What are the things as a prospect do you not like?

Knicks1248,
What are things as a prospect do you like about Frank? What are the things as a prospect do you not like?

I already said I like what little I saw, I'm not really paying attn to all the other rookies. Draft express usually does a great job at breaking down a players strength and weaknesses..

I've a watch draft express regarding 2nd and 3rd yr players currently in the nba, and they are usually dead on..

Strengths:-Strong physical tools for a point guard at 6'5 (possibly without shoes)-Frame continues to fill out-Has exceptional length-Smooth athlete who can operate at different speeds-Unselfish player who thinks the game at a high level-Excellent court vision, particularly in the pick and roll, where he's capable of making complex reads and delivering the ball decisively and accurately in tight spaces for easy baskets.-Plays the game with impressive confidence and poise.-Significantly improved perimeter shooter, with feet set and especially off the bounce. Made shots at a very high rate all tournament long, with impressive volume, degree of difficulty and confidence. Has good touch, which lends itself to his ability to finish off the glass and convert from the free throw line. -Made 17/29 3-pointers at the U18s and 12/13 FTs. Now 33/64 (52%) for 3 on the season in 27 games.-Lockdown, multi-positional defender. Outstanding lateral quickness, footwork, timing, length and smarts allows him to smother opponents on the perimeter. Switches seamlessly between all three backcourt positions. -Makes plays defensively on and off the ball. Reads the floor, knows the scouting report and where to position himself to rotate and help, far better than your average 18-year old.

Weaknesses:-Lacks a degree of quickness from a stand-still, making it difficult for him to emerge as a high-volume, take-over, one on one player who can create something out of nothing with the clock running down in the half-court. -More smooth and pacey than powerful or explosive. Not going to rise up in a crowd and finish over defenders in traffic, making it difficult for him to finish everything he creates inside the paint at times. Can improve his ability to use his off hand for finishes. -Quiet guy who projects as more of a secondary option who excels playing off another elite-level shot-creator. Can get a bit passive or overly unselfish at times. Not exactly a take-over type mentality wise, even though he was forced to be that for France during this tournament. Better utilized as a versatile and intelligent piece alongside other good players rather than the hero who saves the day every time. -Ball-handling skills can continue to be tightened. Was bothered at times by intense ball-pressure as his dribble is somewhat high and loose. 4.8 turnovers per-40 at U18sOutlook: Forced to attend this tournament under threat of suspension by the French Federation, Ntilikina got off to somewhat of a slow start, undoubtedly in no small part due to the fact that he was extremely under the weather. In fact, he was taken to the hospital for blood tests in France's day off between the third and fourth (quarterfinal) game, as his flu symptoms were not improving. He was absolutely sensational in the knockout rounds, proving to be by far the best player on the court and at the tournament and making quite a few huge plays to help his team eventually win the Championship. His shot-making prowess in particular was a revelation, something that was considered somewhat of a weakness going into the year. Despite the sparse attendance of NBA executives in Turkey, Ntilikina certainly helped himself considerably at this tournament. Likely still has plenty of room to improve athletically as his frame matures and he has NBA coaches and strength and conditioning staff in place to help him maximize his tools. Lower body in particular could get stronger, which may help him become more explosive. Defense, perimeter shooting and basketball IQ gives him tremendous versatility in today's NBA, allowing him to be utilized in many different roles and alongside all kinds of different teammates and lineup configurations. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Frank-Ntilikina-77051/ ©DraftExpress

he's definitely a triangle type guard, it is going to be crucial as to what type of players you put around him

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knicks1248 wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:either other rookies could care less, or he's not that good,

Arguably, one of the most ignorant conclusions you could have reached.

Already got shot down by folks here who concluded, quite logically, that not having seen Frank play in college or in the SL just might have hurt his chances in this survey.

But hey...don't let logic interfere with your position...right?

Oh...by the way, are the fans of ALL the teams which picked ahead of Dallas apoplectic over this survey? Everybody had a chance to pick Smith, one of the older players chosen in the lottery, I think, and about 2 years older than our guy. Are they up in arms over THEIR team not choosing him, since he seems to be a lock for ROY?

Might want to give Frenchie some time...no?

basically you called yourself ignorant by saying what I said in different words.

I already said other rookies have little to no knowledge of who he really is, neither do we, so wtf are you talking about?

In fact, we really don't know what any of the rookies will amount to

"or he's not that good." Not ignorant enough to make this statement YOU made though, am I.

Nothing I said puts me on your level, thankfully.

Nalod completely shot you down with the KP vote. The vote is meaningless, and considering Frenchie did not play in SL or at an American college, the vote becomes ridiculous as far as he is concerned.

Either you were trying to be provocative, or you have no idea of how to reason. Which one was it, bro.

He has possibly half the board(random measurement) trying to figure that out when he post. lol

Look, berman wrote the article, i posted the article because im sure we are all hoping frank turns out great.

Now because i said i would be livid (like thousands of other fans) if he turns out to be trash, one guy say's thats ignorant statement, another guy brings up kp's votes, i don't know what im talking about.

You guys are pretty much trolling because i never said i didn't like frank, never sided with the rookies or the article.

I don't write ignorant sht, just remember, i was the first to praise woodson when he took over, and the first to say he was done, first to call out fisher and put him on the hot seat, was on board with phil and one of the first to say he's not going to make it, and i was never on board with trading melo this off season. lOOK AT HOW IT ALL TURNS OUT..

certain sht you can see early, and some have accused me of been negative, but i hardly ever come back and say i told you this sht was going to happen. Some of you just take longer to realize the inevitable.

But just so you know..FRANK IS MY GUY RIGHT NOW, he' a knick, I'm hoping he's top 3 in his class. If he's not, heads will roll

I will be happy if Frank is a reliable two way player. Thats the minimum for me. We're setting ourselves up for disappointment if Frank has to become a star to justify the pick.

Its a bad look if Dennis Smith jr. becomes a 5 time All Star

Let's be clear, it's a "bad look" for those who engage in second guessing and faux outrage in the Internet bubble.

The internet bubble in which you are more than a willing participant.

That's obvious.

Doesn't mean I endorse typical ridiculous behaviors.

No one cares about your endorsements.

And no one cares about premature handwringing over a draft pick.

All the man said was that it wouldn't look good if the Knicks passed up on a player who became a multiple all-star, and you turn it into "faux outrage". You always seem to be the one who is outraged by something someone says here.

Steph marbury was a multi all star too the question is will dsj make others better because right now that is not the case. He's just a stat stuffer that takes plays off

Didn't DSJ lead the ACC in assists? Sounds like it was a real f'ed up situation there between the coaching staff, and his injury. Some fans might be underestimating Frank's ability to get to the rim, and underestimating DSJ's ability to be a floor general as well. Cant wait to find out.

Didn't step marbury led the league in multi years of averaging over 20 points and 8 assists... stats are just stats if you cant make your teammates better this is especially the case for the point guard position.

Understood. I dont believe you are factoring in that DSJ wasn't on a very good team, but still was able to lead the league. Shows there is an ability to be a floor general. You seem to believe that there is something about his character that will prevent him from becoming one. Too early to tell for sure, but from what I have read, this was a kid trying to make the best out of a bad situation, and sometimes acted like a kid. In college.

Believe its too early to say that DSJ cant be a leader. Thought there was enough in DSJ as a player to take that risk.

Not too long until we get an idea of what Frank brings to the table in actual NBA action. Thats all that counts now.

True, as with all these draft picks, time will tell. I still think Frank has all the ability to become a star two way player in this league. DSJ can be a offensive star if he matures, with that said they have completely different skill sets. So each will be different types of stars if they take their games to that level.

Agreed

How do you come to that conclusion with haven't seen anything but youtube highlights. do you think rambis or jh can turn this kid into a really good player?

What the hell have you seen Nostradamus to be talking like you are anything but in the same boat?

I'm not the one predicting anything, that's you guys.. in fact if you read the sentence correctly, my question was regarding his development under a bunch of suspect coaches.

No it wasn't.

"Im going to be livid if this kid is a major project"

I think most people would interpret that to mean if he arrives to the Knicks as a major project rather as a ready to excel prospect as demonstrated by summer league.

No that means if this kid can't help now on any level, he will be a disappointment, that doesn't mean i'm expecting him to make a all rookie team. Just don't go and draft some 3 to 5 yr project

knicks1248 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:either other rookies could care less, or he's not that good,

Arguably, one of the most ignorant conclusions you could have reached.

Already got shot down by folks here who concluded, quite logically, that not having seen Frank play in college or in the SL just might have hurt his chances in this survey.

But hey...don't let logic interfere with your position...right?

Oh...by the way, are the fans of ALL the teams which picked ahead of Dallas apoplectic over this survey? Everybody had a chance to pick Smith, one of the older players chosen in the lottery, I think, and about 2 years older than our guy. Are they up in arms over THEIR team not choosing him, since he seems to be a lock for ROY?

Might want to give Frenchie some time...no?

basically you called yourself ignorant by saying what I said in different words.

I already said other rookies have little to no knowledge of who he really is, neither do we, so wtf are you talking about?

In fact, we really don't know what any of the rookies will amount to

"or he's not that good." Not ignorant enough to make this statement YOU made though, am I.

Nothing I said puts me on your level, thankfully.

Nalod completely shot you down with the KP vote. The vote is meaningless, and considering Frenchie did not play in SL or at an American college, the vote becomes ridiculous as far as he is concerned.

Either you were trying to be provocative, or you have no idea of how to reason. Which one was it, bro.

He has possibly half the board(random measurement) trying to figure that out when he post. lol

Look, berman wrote the article, i posted the article because im sure we are all hoping frank turns out great.

Now because i said i would be livid (like thousands of other fans) if he turns out to be trash, one guy say's thats ignorant statement, another guy brings up kp's votes, i don't know what im talking about.

You guys are pretty much trolling because i never said i didn't like frank, never sided with the rookies or the article.

I don't write ignorant sht, just remember, i was the first to praise woodson when he took over, and the first to say he was done, first to call out fisher and put him on the hot seat, was on board with phil and one of the first to say he's not going to make it, and i was never on board with trading melo this off season. lOOK AT HOW IT ALL TURNS OUT..

certain sht you can see early, and some have accused me of been negative, but i hardly ever come back and say i told you this sht was going to happen. Some of you just take longer to realize the inevitable.

But just so you know..FRANK IS MY GUY RIGHT NOW, he' a knick, I'm hoping he's top 3 in his class. If he's not, heads will roll

I will be happy if Frank is a reliable two way player. Thats the minimum for me. We're setting ourselves up for disappointment if Frank has to become a star to justify the pick.

Its a bad look if Dennis Smith jr. becomes a 5 time All Star

Let's be clear, it's a "bad look" for those who engage in second guessing and faux outrage in the Internet bubble.

The internet bubble in which you are more than a willing participant.

That's obvious.

Doesn't mean I endorse typical ridiculous behaviors.

No one cares about your endorsements.

And no one cares about premature handwringing over a draft pick.

All the man said was that it wouldn't look good if the Knicks passed up on a player who became a multiple all-star, and you turn it into "faux outrage". You always seem to be the one who is outraged by something someone says here.

Steph marbury was a multi all star too the question is will dsj make others better because right now that is not the case. He's just a stat stuffer that takes plays off

Didn't DSJ lead the ACC in assists? Sounds like it was a real f'ed up situation there between the coaching staff, and his injury. Some fans might be underestimating Frank's ability to get to the rim, and underestimating DSJ's ability to be a floor general as well. Cant wait to find out.

Didn't step marbury led the league in multi years of averaging over 20 points and 8 assists... stats are just stats if you cant make your teammates better this is especially the case for the point guard position.

Understood. I dont believe you are factoring in that DSJ wasn't on a very good team, but still was able to lead the league. Shows there is an ability to be a floor general. You seem to believe that there is something about his character that will prevent him from becoming one. Too early to tell for sure, but from what I have read, this was a kid trying to make the best out of a bad situation, and sometimes acted like a kid. In college.

Believe its too early to say that DSJ cant be a leader. Thought there was enough in DSJ as a player to take that risk.

Not too long until we get an idea of what Frank brings to the table in actual NBA action. Thats all that counts now.

True, as with all these draft picks, time will tell. I still think Frank has all the ability to become a star two way player in this league. DSJ can be a offensive star if he matures, with that said they have completely different skill sets. So each will be different types of stars if they take their games to that level.

Agreed

How do you come to that conclusion with haven't seen anything but youtube highlights. do you think rambis or jh can turn this kid into a really good player?

What the hell have you seen Nostradamus to be talking like you are anything but in the same boat?

I'm not the one predicting anything, that's you guys.. in fact if you read the sentence correctly, my question was regarding his development under a bunch of suspect coaches.

No it wasn't.

"Im going to be livid if this kid is a major project"

I think most people would interpret that to mean if he arrives to the Knicks as a major project rather as a ready to excel prospect as demonstrated by summer league.

No that means if this kid can't help now on any level, he will be a disappointment, that doesn't mean i'm expecting him to make a all rookie team. Just don't go and draft some 3 to 5 yr project

And again, how is the sentiment unique to Ntilikina that doesn't apply do every high draft pick ever?

knicks1248 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:either other rookies could care less, or he's not that good,

Arguably, one of the most ignorant conclusions you could have reached.

Already got shot down by folks here who concluded, quite logically, that not having seen Frank play in college or in the SL just might have hurt his chances in this survey.

But hey...don't let logic interfere with your position...right?

Oh...by the way, are the fans of ALL the teams which picked ahead of Dallas apoplectic over this survey? Everybody had a chance to pick Smith, one of the older players chosen in the lottery, I think, and about 2 years older than our guy. Are they up in arms over THEIR team not choosing him, since he seems to be a lock for ROY?

Might want to give Frenchie some time...no?

basically you called yourself ignorant by saying what I said in different words.

I already said other rookies have little to no knowledge of who he really is, neither do we, so wtf are you talking about?

In fact, we really don't know what any of the rookies will amount to

"or he's not that good." Not ignorant enough to make this statement YOU made though, am I.

Nothing I said puts me on your level, thankfully.

Nalod completely shot you down with the KP vote. The vote is meaningless, and considering Frenchie did not play in SL or at an American college, the vote becomes ridiculous as far as he is concerned.

Either you were trying to be provocative, or you have no idea of how to reason. Which one was it, bro.

He has possibly half the board(random measurement) trying to figure that out when he post. lol

Look, berman wrote the article, i posted the article because im sure we are all hoping frank turns out great.

Now because i said i would be livid (like thousands of other fans) if he turns out to be trash, one guy say's thats ignorant statement, another guy brings up kp's votes, i don't know what im talking about.

You guys are pretty much trolling because i never said i didn't like frank, never sided with the rookies or the article.

I don't write ignorant sht, just remember, i was the first to praise woodson when he took over, and the first to say he was done, first to call out fisher and put him on the hot seat, was on board with phil and one of the first to say he's not going to make it, and i was never on board with trading melo this off season. lOOK AT HOW IT ALL TURNS OUT..

certain sht you can see early, and some have accused me of been negative, but i hardly ever come back and say i told you this sht was going to happen. Some of you just take longer to realize the inevitable.

But just so you know..FRANK IS MY GUY RIGHT NOW, he' a knick, I'm hoping he's top 3 in his class. If he's not, heads will roll

I will be happy if Frank is a reliable two way player. Thats the minimum for me. We're setting ourselves up for disappointment if Frank has to become a star to justify the pick.

Its a bad look if Dennis Smith jr. becomes a 5 time All Star

Let's be clear, it's a "bad look" for those who engage in second guessing and faux outrage in the Internet bubble.

The internet bubble in which you are more than a willing participant.

That's obvious.

Doesn't mean I endorse typical ridiculous behaviors.

No one cares about your endorsements.

And no one cares about premature handwringing over a draft pick.

All the man said was that it wouldn't look good if the Knicks passed up on a player who became a multiple all-star, and you turn it into "faux outrage". You always seem to be the one who is outraged by something someone says here.

Steph marbury was a multi all star too the question is will dsj make others better because right now that is not the case. He's just a stat stuffer that takes plays off

Didn't DSJ lead the ACC in assists? Sounds like it was a real f'ed up situation there between the coaching staff, and his injury. Some fans might be underestimating Frank's ability to get to the rim, and underestimating DSJ's ability to be a floor general as well. Cant wait to find out.

Didn't step marbury led the league in multi years of averaging over 20 points and 8 assists... stats are just stats if you cant make your teammates better this is especially the case for the point guard position.

Understood. I dont believe you are factoring in that DSJ wasn't on a very good team, but still was able to lead the league. Shows there is an ability to be a floor general. You seem to believe that there is something about his character that will prevent him from becoming one. Too early to tell for sure, but from what I have read, this was a kid trying to make the best out of a bad situation, and sometimes acted like a kid. In college.

Believe its too early to say that DSJ cant be a leader. Thought there was enough in DSJ as a player to take that risk.

Not too long until we get an idea of what Frank brings to the table in actual NBA action. Thats all that counts now.

True, as with all these draft picks, time will tell. I still think Frank has all the ability to become a star two way player in this league. DSJ can be a offensive star if he matures, with that said they have completely different skill sets. So each will be different types of stars if they take their games to that level.

Agreed

How do you come to that conclusion with haven't seen anything but youtube highlights. do you think rambis or jh can turn this kid into a really good player?

What the hell have you seen Nostradamus to be talking like you are anything but in the same boat?

I'm not the one predicting anything, that's you guys.. in fact if you read the sentence correctly, my question was regarding his development under a bunch of suspect coaches.

No it wasn't.

"Im going to be livid if this kid is a major project"

I think most people would interpret that to mean if he arrives to the Knicks as a major project rather as a ready to excel prospect as demonstrated by summer league.

No that means if this kid can't help now on any level, he will be a disappointment, that doesn't mean i'm expecting him to make a all rookie team. Just don't go and draft some 3 to 5 yr project

And again, how is the sentiment unique to Ntilikina that doesn't apply do every high draft pick ever?

I only singling out frank because the article singled him out...If he doesn't show promise in his first yr, it's going to be because of the roster and coaching staff, and he will end up being traded to a better situation sooner than later. I say this because that's what tends to happen when you are losing and some stars becomes available.

No way the Knicks are that impatient with a 19 yr old top 10 pick!!! Nitty already has Pro experience and should be able to adapt fairly well given his age. The Knicks should have a young but competitive team with just enough vet help to make things smoother.

Nitty fits with the Team Oriented style this team wants to play and most of the players have that mind frame so that should help. Nitty is more likely to play unselfish and within the offense so that will also help him. His natural hustle and defense should help him Early on.

Here's another one shows frank vs grown men. He started earning more minutes after this game, in France Most youth ride the pine till they earn it kinda like how KP and Willy were

BigDaddyG wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Its not like Porzingis where there were 10-15 whole games to watch on youtube. Even compare his ball handling and speed to Donovan Mitchell who has similar length, he is way behind Donovan Mitchell. "If" he can tighten up his handle and learn to create off the dribble he then becomes insanely valuable. If not he becomes a well skilled wing which is fine but not to the level of a pg with that length

Just type in Strasbourg basketball in YouTube and and you can find a number of Frank games. Also, Frank and Mitchell don't share the same physical profile. Frank is a legit 6'6", maybe a touch below 6'7" in shoes. He's way longer. Mitchell is more solid. Just look at the NBA rookie photo shoot pics to get a better perspective of how tall Frank is.