fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:If Melo wants to win so badly he can opt out and sign for the mid level exception somewhere next season. Melo wants to win as long as its on the team that he wants and makes 27 million a year.

exactly. He can come in and be a good soldier. IF he doesnt like it sorry, he can opt out and join a banana boat in LA

If the Knicks And Knick fans want him gone so badly, they should buy him.out. See the problem? Reason for stale mate. Don't worry, he will be traded before season, Knicks just seeing what is the best return Houston will offer. But curious, what will be a good soldier? Dadmelo? An MVP type year when surrpunded by talent? Or staying professional in midst of Crazy Uncle Phil shenanigans?

Well did he stay professional? That is debatable. He certainly showed up and played. Did he just show up and play? Or was he a divisive force in the lockerroom? That is the only concern, that he brings negativity.

I would be OK with a buyout if he opts out of the last year. I am not driven by emotion or a need to "get this guy out of here." It really comes down to whats best for the Knicks. If Melo is "staying Melo" which really means showing the young players how he does it his way while taking them under his wing and wining and dining them to how well Melo knows everyone in the NBA... well thats a disaster. We know where that leads.

Blame Phil, get ready for the year. I dont know how Jeff's relationship is with Melo, and that would be the biggest factor in my decision on what to do with Melo. If Jeff feels he can get him in rhythm and happy in a roll that helps us than I have no issue with just waiting and potentially starting the year with him on the roster.

If Jeff tells Perry that Melo is going to do it his way and the choices are cater to Melo or deal with Melo being divisive than its get him gone asap. Do we have that info?

Can't say I value your insight on "locker room", relationship with young players, divisiveness you think he created. You don't know anything about that. And do we need to see another favorable quote from KP, and others, about him to change your view on team mates opinion of him? Probably not. So yes, from what most people know, he was professional.

Things are already better without Phil. KP talking with FO. Melo talking "Professionally" to FO. No Knee jerk moves being made. Would be great to see him stay and prove how much of a detriment Phil's involvement created. However, i agree its time to tutn the page. For both his benedit and the Knicks.

Maybe you want to reread what I wrote... because your talking about stuff I didnt write. Cant say you value my insight on the locker room? I didnt offer any. In fact I said I dont know what it is and asked the question. I said my concern was he would be negative. Nowhere did I saw he would be. I simly said we dont know, we dont the relationship between him and Jeff. My concern (thats the word I used) was negativity in the lockerroom. That is the downside of Melo being here. The upside is he plays well and things work out OK. Maybe his value goes up or we find a trade or he just goes back to playing BB again and being part of a team.

Im not sure I value you not valuing info that I know I don't have but is valuable.

Lmao. Fair enough. So what did you mean by bold above?

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:If Melo wants to win so badly he can opt out and sign for the mid level exception somewhere next season. Melo wants to win as long as its on the team that he wants and makes 27 million a year.

exactly. He can come in and be a good soldier. IF he doesnt like it sorry, he can opt out and join a banana boat in LA

If the Knicks And Knick fans want him gone so badly, they should buy him.out. See the problem? Reason for stale mate. Don't worry, he will be traded before season, Knicks just seeing what is the best return Houston will offer. But curious, what will be a good soldier? Dadmelo? An MVP type year when surrpunded by talent? Or staying professional in midst of Crazy Uncle Phil shenanigans?

Well did he stay professional? That is debatable. He certainly showed up and played. Did he just show up and play? Or was he a divisive force in the lockerroom? That is the only concern, that he brings negativity.

I would be OK with a buyout if he opts out of the last year. I am not driven by emotion or a need to "get this guy out of here." It really comes down to whats best for the Knicks. If Melo is "staying Melo" which really means showing the young players how he does it his way while taking them under his wing and wining and dining them to how well Melo knows everyone in the NBA... well thats a disaster. We know where that leads.

Blame Phil, get ready for the year. I dont know how Jeff's relationship is with Melo, and that would be the biggest factor in my decision on what to do with Melo. If Jeff feels he can get him in rhythm and happy in a roll that helps us than I have no issue with just waiting and potentially starting the year with him on the roster.

If Jeff tells Perry that Melo is going to do it his way and the choices are cater to Melo or deal with Melo being divisive than its get him gone asap. Do we have that info?

Can't say I value your insight on "locker room", relationship with young players, divisiveness you think he created. You don't know anything about that. And do we need to see another favorable quote from KP, and others, about him to change your view on team mates opinion of him? Probably not. So yes, from what most people know, he was professional.

Things are already better without Phil. KP talking with FO. Melo talking "Professionally" to FO. No Knee jerk moves being made. Would be great to see him stay and prove how much of a detriment Phil's involvement created. However, i agree its time to tutn the page. For both his benedit and the Knicks.

Maybe you want to reread what I wrote... because your talking about stuff I didnt write. Cant say you value my insight on the locker room? I didnt offer any. In fact I said I dont know what it is and asked the question. I said my concern was he would be negative. Nowhere did I saw he would be. I simly said we dont know, we dont the relationship between him and Jeff. My concern (thats the word I used) was negativity in the lockerroom. That is the downside of Melo being here. The upside is he plays well and things work out OK. Maybe his value goes up or we find a trade or he just goes back to playing BB again and being part of a team.

Im not sure I value you not valuing info that I know I don't have but is valuable.

Lmao. Fair enough. So what did you mean by bold above?

I think you can take your pick:
Melo the Dantoni Killer
Melo the KP diva attitude fertilizer
Melo the Iso at all costs anchor
Melo the offensive dinosaur
Melo the fat no defense DOUCHE

But don't worry, his bold comments are of course, not driven by emotion. We know where that leads..."staying mellow" about Melo

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:If Melo wants to win so badly he can opt out and sign for the mid level exception somewhere next season. Melo wants to win as long as its on the team that he wants and makes 27 million a year.

exactly. He can come in and be a good soldier. IF he doesnt like it sorry, he can opt out and join a banana boat in LA

If the Knicks And Knick fans want him gone so badly, they should buy him.out. See the problem? Reason for stale mate. Don't worry, he will be traded before season, Knicks just seeing what is the best return Houston will offer. But curious, what will be a good soldier? Dadmelo? An MVP type year when surrpunded by talent? Or staying professional in midst of Crazy Uncle Phil shenanigans?

Well did he stay professional? That is debatable. He certainly showed up and played. Did he just show up and play? Or was he a divisive force in the lockerroom? That is the only concern, that he brings negativity.

I would be OK with a buyout if he opts out of the last year. I am not driven by emotion or a need to "get this guy out of here." It really comes down to whats best for the Knicks. If Melo is "staying Melo" which really means showing the young players how he does it his way while taking them under his wing and wining and dining them to how well Melo knows everyone in the NBA... well thats a disaster. We know where that leads.

Blame Phil, get ready for the year. I dont know how Jeff's relationship is with Melo, and that would be the biggest factor in my decision on what to do with Melo. If Jeff feels he can get him in rhythm and happy in a roll that helps us than I have no issue with just waiting and potentially starting the year with him on the roster.

If Jeff tells Perry that Melo is going to do it his way and the choices are cater to Melo or deal with Melo being divisive than its get him gone asap. Do we have that info?

Can't say I value your insight on "locker room", relationship with young players, divisiveness you think he created. You don't know anything about that. And do we need to see another favorable quote from KP, and others, about him to change your view on team mates opinion of him? Probably not. So yes, from what most people know, he was professional.

Things are already better without Phil. KP talking with FO. Melo talking "Professionally" to FO. No Knee jerk moves being made. Would be great to see him stay and prove how much of a detriment Phil's involvement created. However, i agree its time to tutn the page. For both his benedit and the Knicks.

Maybe you want to reread what I wrote... because your talking about stuff I didnt write. Cant say you value my insight on the locker room? I didnt offer any. In fact I said I dont know what it is and asked the question. I said my concern was he would be negative. Nowhere did I saw he would be. I simly said we dont know, we dont the relationship between him and Jeff. My concern (thats the word I used) was negativity in the lockerroom. That is the downside of Melo being here. The upside is he plays well and things work out OK. Maybe his value goes up or we find a trade or he just goes back to playing BB again and being part of a team.

Im not sure I value you not valuing info that I know I don't have but is valuable.

Lmao. Fair enough. So what did you mean by bold above?

That we have seen Melo be negative divisive force in the lockerroom. Just ask Amare and Tyson and Jeremy Lin and Mike DAntoni and Kurt Rambis. We have also seen Melo be focused and positive. We have seen him be or at least try to be a real positive and a leader. Thats the point... we dont know what we are going to get. We dont know Melo's reltationship with Jeff. We dont know his mindset. We dont if he will even *try* to play catch and shoot ball for Jeff or if he's going to "play how he wants to play."

Do you?

If he's a good soldier great. We have seen a toxic Melo. Do you want that around KP/Willy/Frank/Dotson/Baker/etc etc..? This is just the upside/downside to having Melo on the roster come fall. Is it worth it? I am just asking.. this is the risk. Can the the Knicks get past another Melo drama or should the new FO just purge? But that has downside as well... I am just looking at the all the questions before finding the answer. Its a simple good/bad. Too much stuff we dont know.

That's what I'm talking about. Your better than pushing an ignorant take on something by quoting something that was not said. Toxic? Amare, Tyson Danfoni, Rambis and even Lin said he was toxic? Please refresh my memory with their quotes.

Tyson on Carmelo:

Oh wait maybe your talking about comment when he got outplayed by Hibbert and he said:

Chandler, who has addressed the lack of ball movement on several occasions this season, did not mention Anthony by name either on Saturday or Sunday. But Chandler, who was badly outplayed by Pacers center Roy Hibbert in Game 3, seemed to be referring to his All-Star teammate when he said on Sunday that there were moments when “you want to take over the game or you want to make a big shot where you (should) stick to the game plan. A good team wins basketball games. Unless you’re a great, great, great, great individual…and we only have a few of those come through.” In fairness, Chandler could have also been speaking about Smith, who missed eight of 12 shots, but his comments certainly sounded as if they were a critique of Anthony.

STAT? When he said he felt Melo may had been jealous of Lin? That's a reach. And a fact?

Dantoni said he was toxic? No, he said Melo wanted him fired. Which judging by the job Mike was doing and the record they had immediately thereafter, made sense.

Are we talking Rambus? Mother F..in Rambus? GOH

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:If Melo wants to win so badly he can opt out and sign for the mid level exception somewhere next season. Melo wants to win as long as its on the team that he wants and makes 27 million a year.

exactly. He can come in and be a good soldier. IF he doesnt like it sorry, he can opt out and join a banana boat in LA

If the Knicks And Knick fans want him gone so badly, they should buy him.out. See the problem? Reason for stale mate. Don't worry, he will be traded before season, Knicks just seeing what is the best return Houston will offer. But curious, what will be a good soldier? Dadmelo? An MVP type year when surrpunded by talent? Or staying professional in midst of Crazy Uncle Phil shenanigans?

Well did he stay professional? That is debatable. He certainly showed up and played. Did he just show up and play? Or was he a divisive force in the lockerroom? That is the only concern, that he brings negativity.

I would be OK with a buyout if he opts out of the last year. I am not driven by emotion or a need to "get this guy out of here." It really comes down to whats best for the Knicks. If Melo is "staying Melo" which really means showing the young players how he does it his way while taking them under his wing and wining and dining them to how well Melo knows everyone in the NBA... well thats a disaster. We know where that leads.

Blame Phil, get ready for the year. I dont know how Jeff's relationship is with Melo, and that would be the biggest factor in my decision on what to do with Melo. If Jeff feels he can get him in rhythm and happy in a roll that helps us than I have no issue with just waiting and potentially starting the year with him on the roster.

If Jeff tells Perry that Melo is going to do it his way and the choices are cater to Melo or deal with Melo being divisive than its get him gone asap. Do we have that info?

Can't say I value your insight on "locker room", relationship with young players, divisiveness you think he created. You don't know anything about that. And do we need to see another favorable quote from KP, and others, about him to change your view on team mates opinion of him? Probably not. So yes, from what most people know, he was professional.

Things are already better without Phil. KP talking with FO. Melo talking "Professionally" to FO. No Knee jerk moves being made. Would be great to see him stay and prove how much of a detriment Phil's involvement created. However, i agree its time to tutn the page. For both his benedit and the Knicks.

Maybe you want to reread what I wrote... because your talking about stuff I didnt write. Cant say you value my insight on the locker room? I didnt offer any. In fact I said I dont know what it is and asked the question. I said my concern was he would be negative. Nowhere did I saw he would be. I simly said we dont know, we dont the relationship between him and Jeff. My concern (thats the word I used) was negativity in the lockerroom. That is the downside of Melo being here. The upside is he plays well and things work out OK. Maybe his value goes up or we find a trade or he just goes back to playing BB again and being part of a team.

Im not sure I value you not valuing info that I know I don't have but is valuable.

Lmao. Fair enough. So what did you mean by bold above?

That we have seen Melo be negative divisive force in the lockerroom. Just ask Amare and Tyson and Jeremy Lin and Mike DAntoni and Kurt Rambis. We have also seen Melo be focused and positive. We have seen him be or at least try to be a real positive and a leader. Thats the point... we dont know what we are going to get. We dont know Melo's reltationship with Jeff. We dont know his mindset. We dont if he will even *try* to play catch and shoot ball for Jeff or if he's going to "play how he wants to play."

Do you?

If he's a good soldier great. We have seen a toxic Melo. Do you want that around KP/Willy/Frank/Dotson/Baker/etc etc..? This is just the upside/downside to having Melo on the roster come fall. Is it worth it? I am just asking.. this is the risk. Can the the Knicks get past another Melo drama or should the new FO just purge? But that has downside as well... I am just looking at the all the questions before finding the answer. Its a simple good/bad. Too much stuff we dont know.

That's what I'm talking about. Your better than pushing an ignorant take on something by quoting something that was not said. Toxic? Amare, Tyson Danfoni, Rambis and even Lin said he was toxic? Please refresh my memory with their quotes.

Tyson on Carmelo:

Oh wait maybe your talking about comment when he got outplayed by Hibbert and he said:

Chandler, who has addressed the lack of ball movement on several occasions this season, did not mention Anthony by name either on Saturday or Sunday. But Chandler, who was badly outplayed by Pacers center Roy Hibbert in Game 3, seemed to be referring to his All-Star teammate when he said on Sunday that there were moments when “you want to take over the game or you want to make a big shot where you (should) stick to the game plan. A good team wins basketball games. Unless you’re a great, great, great, great individual…and we only have a few of those come through.” In fairness, Chandler could have also been speaking about Smith, who missed eight of 12 shots, but his comments certainly sounded as if they were a critique of Anthony.

STAT? When he said he felt Melo may had been jealous of Lin? That's a reach. And a fact?

Dantoni said he was toxic? No, he said Melo wanted him fired. Which judging by the job Mike was doing and the record they had immediately thereafter, made sense.

Are we talking Rambus? Mother F..in Rambus? GOH

Maybe you think Melo was right to do that. Maybe you think Melo erased that by playing the way he did for Woodson. It doesnt change that yes... Melo quit on a coach and divided a locker room. Its really not up for debate.

Wow you got really charged up bud. You and Melo close?

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:If Melo wants to win so badly he can opt out and sign for the mid level exception somewhere next season. Melo wants to win as long as its on the team that he wants and makes 27 million a year.

exactly. He can come in and be a good soldier. IF he doesnt like it sorry, he can opt out and join a banana boat in LA

If the Knicks And Knick fans want him gone so badly, they should buy him.out. See the problem? Reason for stale mate. Don't worry, he will be traded before season, Knicks just seeing what is the best return Houston will offer. But curious, what will be a good soldier? Dadmelo? An MVP type year when surrpunded by talent? Or staying professional in midst of Crazy Uncle Phil shenanigans?

Well did he stay professional? That is debatable. He certainly showed up and played. Did he just show up and play? Or was he a divisive force in the lockerroom? That is the only concern, that he brings negativity.

I would be OK with a buyout if he opts out of the last year. I am not driven by emotion or a need to "get this guy out of here." It really comes down to whats best for the Knicks. If Melo is "staying Melo" which really means showing the young players how he does it his way while taking them under his wing and wining and dining them to how well Melo knows everyone in the NBA... well thats a disaster. We know where that leads.

Blame Phil, get ready for the year. I dont know how Jeff's relationship is with Melo, and that would be the biggest factor in my decision on what to do with Melo. If Jeff feels he can get him in rhythm and happy in a roll that helps us than I have no issue with just waiting and potentially starting the year with him on the roster.

If Jeff tells Perry that Melo is going to do it his way and the choices are cater to Melo or deal with Melo being divisive than its get him gone asap. Do we have that info?

Can't say I value your insight on "locker room", relationship with young players, divisiveness you think he created. You don't know anything about that. And do we need to see another favorable quote from KP, and others, about him to change your view on team mates opinion of him? Probably not. So yes, from what most people know, he was professional.

Things are already better without Phil. KP talking with FO. Melo talking "Professionally" to FO. No Knee jerk moves being made. Would be great to see him stay and prove how much of a detriment Phil's involvement created. However, i agree its time to tutn the page. For both his benedit and the Knicks.

Maybe you want to reread what I wrote... because your talking about stuff I didnt write. Cant say you value my insight on the locker room? I didnt offer any. In fact I said I dont know what it is and asked the question. I said my concern was he would be negative. Nowhere did I saw he would be. I simly said we dont know, we dont the relationship between him and Jeff. My concern (thats the word I used) was negativity in the lockerroom. That is the downside of Melo being here. The upside is he plays well and things work out OK. Maybe his value goes up or we find a trade or he just goes back to playing BB again and being part of a team.

Im not sure I value you not valuing info that I know I don't have but is valuable.

Lmao. Fair enough. So what did you mean by bold above?

That we have seen Melo be negative divisive force in the lockerroom. Just ask Amare and Tyson and Jeremy Lin and Mike DAntoni and Kurt Rambis. We have also seen Melo be focused and positive. We have seen him be or at least try to be a real positive and a leader. Thats the point... we dont know what we are going to get. We dont know Melo's reltationship with Jeff. We dont know his mindset. We dont if he will even *try* to play catch and shoot ball for Jeff or if he's going to "play how he wants to play."

Do you?

If he's a good soldier great. We have seen a toxic Melo. Do you want that around KP/Willy/Frank/Dotson/Baker/etc etc..? This is just the upside/downside to having Melo on the roster come fall. Is it worth it? I am just asking.. this is the risk. Can the the Knicks get past another Melo drama or should the new FO just purge? But that has downside as well... I am just looking at the all the questions before finding the answer. Its a simple good/bad. Too much stuff we dont know.

Unreal.