NYKBocker wrote:

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Maybe I'm just out of the loop - but who is Steven Tsakanikas? Are we trusting this guy as a legit source???

y2zipper wrote:I don't like the hardaway contract either but I understand the rationale.

It'll be interesting to see what happens with a 3rd team. I don't see how it gets done unless NY either takes a bad contract or gives up a minor asset so they don't have to. Houston has basically got 10 million or so in unguaranteed deals too, but maybe they move Ariza and Anderson to Portland, Portland moves a number one and stuff to the Knicks and the Knicks move Carmelo to Houston.

So Portland gets Anderson and Ariza for Harkless, a number one and filler.
Houston gets Melo for Ariza, getting rid of Anderson and non-guaranteed deals.
Knicks get Harkless, the non-guaranteed deals from Houston which they can then cut for space, the Portland 1, and other young players to fill in the money.

Portland does this because they immediately get 2 starting-quality forwards to go with their backcourt and improve their team even with the bad deals they gave to Crabbe and Turner.

New York moves melo for a young player and a number one without taking the bad deal.

Houston gets Melo, who takes the SF spot from a Ariza anyway.

I don't know how the rest works out money-wise but every team has a reason to take that.

Thats not bad. I would say I think thjr is going to be even better then his second half with the hawks. Borderline all star, people will say wow what a steal .

For melo, getting a talent like harkless who has gotten better every year is a plus defensive player, and a first ! Plus I think we get Leonard to make it work.

KP,oquin, Noah
Willy,Leonard
Moe,lance,kuz
Thjr,lee,Dotson
Rondo,Frank,baker

I think we move lee for a pick and maybe oquinn. I also think that team makes the playoffs which sucks cause it's a team that just makes the playoffs with a first round exit.

This is why I think we role with just frank and baker at the pg spot. I think adding a talent like rondo would put us over the top. I want a top 5 pick it will really help our future !

SocraticBallin22 wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/SteveTsak/status/884417110537109504

Maybe I'm just out of the loop - but who is Steven Tsakanikas? Are we trusting this guy as a legit source???

He's Greek so he has to be legit lol

Don't know who he is but I saw this at clutchfans. Those guys are great at dissecting everything and it seems they like this guy.

SocraticBallin22 wrote:BTW, Harkless and a 1st rounder? Where do I sign up for that right now? That would be a decent haul, considering his no trade and only going to 2 teams. Harkless is another young, improving player with upside.

don't both. Near impossible.

SocraticBallin22 wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/SteveTsak/status/884417110537109504

Maybe I'm just out of the loop - but who is Steven Tsakanikas? Are we trusting this guy as a legit source???

He's Greek so he has to be legit lol

"im hearing"..........This is a kid. Im sure a good kid, good fan, devot and well intended, but he "hears" rumors via media.

Knickoftime wrote:

SocraticBallin22 wrote:BTW, Harkless and a 1st rounder? Where do I sign up for that right now? That would be a decent haul, considering his no trade and only going to 2 teams. Harkless is another young, improving player with upside.

don't both. Near impossible.

It could happen. Knicks are putting up the best player in the deal and both the Rockets and Portland are legit playoff teams so it's a later pick either in 2018 or 2020. Harkless is 24 and a good enough player to start at SF and if we draft Porter or Doncic come off the bench as a contributor.

I wonder if the Rockets could absorb Leonard and give the Knicks enough space to sign Rondo and maybe another young player.

Nalod wrote:

SocraticBallin22 wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/SteveTsak/status/884417110537109504

Maybe I'm just out of the loop - but who is Steven Tsakanikas? Are we trusting this guy as a legit source???

He's Greek so he has to be legit lol

"im hearing"..........This is a kid. Im sure a good kid, good fan, devot and well intended, but he "hears" rumors via media.

SocraticBallin22 wrote:I tested this trade and it works:

Melo to Houston.

Anderson to the Blazers.

Mo Harkless, Ed Davis, Quarterman and Onuaku to Knicks with 1st rounder.

Harkless is owed 10 mill for 2 more years--not a bad contract for a 24 yr old who can start at small forward and had his best season last year to add to our young core 4.

Davis, Quarterman expiring. We would shed close to 20 million in salary after this year with Melo off the books with Mo and a 1st rounder.

Also, we can waive Davis (though I like him as a player) and Quarterman and open up 8 mill this year to sign a vet pg.

Let's do it!

First round pick, decent role player, tons of cap flexibility... this would feel like a clean break. Like a buyout with some modest compensation

y2zipper wrote:I don't like the hardaway contract either but I understand the rationale.

It'll be interesting to see what happens with a 3rd team. I don't see how it gets done unless NY either takes a bad contract or gives up a minor asset so they don't have to. Houston has basically got 10 million or so in unguaranteed deals too, but maybe they move Ariza and Anderson to Portland, Portland moves a number one and stuff to the Knicks and the Knicks move Carmelo to Houston.

So Portland gets Anderson and Ariza for Harkless, a number one and filler.
Houston gets Melo for Ariza, getting rid of Anderson and non-guaranteed deals.
Knicks get Harkless, the non-guaranteed deals from Houston which they can then cut for space, the Portland 1, and other young players to fill in the money.

Portland does this because they immediately get 2 starting-quality forwards to go with their backcourt and improve their team even with the bad deals they gave to Crabbe and Turner.

New York moves melo for a young player and a number one without taking the bad deal.

Houston gets Melo, who takes the SF spot from a Ariza anyway.

I don't know how the rest works out money-wise but every team has a reason to take that.

Then there's the idea that the non guaranteed contracts can be flipped to make room for Rondo.... That's a playoff team... a bunch of hardworking young guys being directed by Rondo? That's gong ti be fun to watch

SocraticBallin22 wrote:I tested this trade and it works:

Melo to Houston.

Anderson to the Blazers.

Mo Harkless, Ed Davis, Quarterman and Onuaku to Knicks with 1st rounder.

Harkless is owed 10 mill for 2 more years--not a bad contract for a 24 yr old who can start at small forward and had his best season last year to add to our young core 4.

Davis, Quarterman expiring. We would shed close to 20 million in salary after this year with Melo off the books with Mo and a 1st rounder.

Also, we can waive Davis (though I like him as a player) and Quarterman and open up 8 mill this year to sign a vet pg.

Let's do it!

Portland does this why?

Not even mentioning, no, you can' waive Davis.

His contract is guaranteed.