BRIGGS wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Yeah Rubio and their unprotected lottery pick and nothing less. If we make a 1-1 trade and take on thT cap without a lottery pick. Phil should quit.

Are you under this illusion that Rose is a MVP Rose?
No one is giving you that much for Rose.

If you get a young starter on a decent contract for Rose, that's a good deal. You won't get a young starter as well as a draft pick which could be a lottery pick. Come on. What reality do you live in, Briggs?

He's a back up that cost 14 mm. He has never shot 40% in his career and is a low volume 25% 3 point shooter. He's lost steps on D and doesn't get up and down that great. I don't want Rubio. I'd rather let Rose expire unless they give us their pick. They can make a deal w boston to move that 2018 to 2019. Why does anyone want a career 37% shooter as their starting pg? Just compare steph cirrus efg and Rubio. You guys just want the Knicks to continue to stink

If we are getting draft picks in return, I'd certainly accept Rubio's contract which is easily movable

Rookie wrote:One nice caveat that hasn't been mentioned is Minny is under the cap so Knicks won't have to match salaries in a Rubio/Rose swap.

Cartman718 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Yeah Rubio and their unprotected lottery pick and nothing less. If we make a 1-1 trade and take on thT cap without a lottery pick. Phil should quit.

Are you under this illusion that Rose is a MVP Rose?
No one is giving you that much for Rose.

If you get a young starter on a decent contract for Rose, that's a good deal. You won't get a young starter as well as a draft pick which could be a lottery pick. Come on. What reality do you live in, Briggs?

He's a back up that cost 14 mm. He has never shot 40% in his career and is a low volume 25% 3 point shooter. He's lost steps on D and doesn't get up and down that great. I don't want Rubio. I'd rather let Rose expire unless they give us their pick. They can make a deal w boston to move that 2018 to 2019. Why does anyone want a career 37% shooter as their starting pg? Just compare steph cirrus efg and Rubio. You guys just want the Knicks to continue to stink

If we are getting draft picks in return, I'd certainly accept Rubio's contract which is easily movable

For me, Rubio would be a nice stop gap solution, who allows you to draft based on best talent available rather than desperation for a PG. He brings leadership and will help KP with his passing. When we get a good PG he can become backup.

Cartman718 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Yeah Rubio and their unprotected lottery pick and nothing less. If we make a 1-1 trade and take on thT cap without a lottery pick. Phil should quit.

Are you under this illusion that Rose is a MVP Rose?
No one is giving you that much for Rose.

If you get a young starter on a decent contract for Rose, that's a good deal. You won't get a young starter as well as a draft pick which could be a lottery pick. Come on. What reality do you live in, Briggs?

He's a back up that cost 14 mm. He has never shot 40% in his career and is a low volume 25% 3 point shooter. He's lost steps on D and doesn't get up and down that great. I don't want Rubio. I'd rather let Rose expire unless they give us their pick. They can make a deal w boston to move that 2018 to 2019. Why does anyone want a career 37% shooter as their starting pg? Just compare steph cirrus efg and Rubio. You guys just want the Knicks to continue to stink

If we are getting draft picks in return, I'd certainly accept Rubio's contract which is easily movable

Is minny finding it "easily" movable??
I for one would enjoy seeing Willy and Rickey move the ball. Willy is great at making the quick pass!

nixluva wrote:PLEASE, PLEASE let this happen!!! Rose has been such a tease with his game being so selfish and disconnected emotionally. Rose needs to go and I'd offer to drive him to Minny at this point. Just hope this really happens.
It's not about Rubio being so great but at least he loves passing the ball and making his teammates better!!!

I think rose just needs time to change his game, and he would probably look even better if it wasn't the triangle he was playing in, and JH was stricklyusing his system.

People forget, the triangle makes PG's look bad if the can shoot 3's or mid range shots, and rubio has never shot of 40% from that area

NYKBocker wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Yeah Rubio and their unprotected lottery pick and nothing less. If we make a 1-1 trade and take on thT cap without a lottery pick. Phil should quit.

Are you under this illusion that Rose is a MVP Rose?
No one is giving you that much for Rose.

If you get a young starter on a decent contract for Rose, that's a good deal. You won't get a young starter as well as a draft pick which could be a lottery pick. Come on. What reality do you live in, Briggs?

He's a back up that cost 14 mm. He has never shot 40% in his career and is a low volume 25% 3 point shooter. He's lost steps on D and doesn't get up and down that great. I don't want Rubio. I'd rather let Rose expire unless they give us their pick. They can make a deal w boston to move that 2018 to 2019. Why does anyone want a career 37% shooter as their starting pg? Just compare steph cirrus efg and Rubio. You guys just want the Knicks to continue to stink

I agree with BRIGGS that you have to get more due to the decline in Rubio's play. However, I don't think you can get a lottery pick out of this. It might have to be a 2 year lottery protected 1st rounder.

No Rose and a 2017 pick top 3 restricted or 0. Im not interested in Ricky Rubio--hes a back up

BRIGGS wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Yeah Rubio and their unprotected lottery pick and nothing less. If we make a 1-1 trade and take on thT cap without a lottery pick. Phil should quit.

Are you under this illusion that Rose is a MVP Rose?
No one is giving you that much for Rose.

If you get a young starter on a decent contract for Rose, that's a good deal. You won't get a young starter as well as a draft pick which could be a lottery pick. Come on. What reality do you live in, Briggs?

He's a back up that cost 14 mm. He has never shot 40% in his career and is a low volume 25% 3 point shooter. He's lost steps on D and doesn't get up and down that great. I don't want Rubio. I'd rather let Rose expire unless they give us their pick. They can make a deal w boston to move that 2018 to 2019. Why does anyone want a career 37% shooter as their starting pg? Just compare steph cirrus efg and Rubio. You guys just want the Knicks to continue to stink

He is not a backup he is definitely a starter
However I agree he has flaws and may not be the answer long term
I like Rubio only in rebuild terms
He will get KP, Willy, Melo and whomever we draft in 2017 lotto, the ball. Good for player development and Horny will have a PG that can run his playbook properly.

nyknickzingis wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Yeah Rubio and their unprotected lottery pick and nothing less. If we make a 1-1 trade and take on thT cap without a lottery pick. Phil should quit.

Are you under this illusion that Rose is a MVP Rose?
No one is giving you that much for Rose.

If you get a young starter on a decent contract for Rose, that's a good deal. You won't get a young starter as well as a draft pick which could be a lottery pick. Come on. What reality do you live in, Briggs?

He's a back up that cost 14 mm. He has never shot 40% in his career and is a low volume 25% 3 point shooter. He's lost steps on D and doesn't get up and down that great. I don't want Rubio. I'd rather let Rose expire unless they give us their pick. They can make a deal w boston to move that 2018 to 2019. Why does anyone want a career 37% shooter as their starting pg? Just compare steph cirrus efg and Rubio. You guys just want the Knicks to continue to stink

He is not a backup he is definitely a starter
However I agree he has flaws and may not be the answer long term
I like Rubio only in rebuild terms
He will get KP, Willy, Melo and whomever we draft in 2017 lotto, the ball. Good for player development and Horny will have a PG that can run his playbook properly.

nyknickzingis wrote:

Nalod wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:FWIW back in November, I suggested that the team move Rose/Noah to Minneosta as it was clear that Noah was a bad fit and that Rose just wasn't a point guard that would pass. I recall making a thread about it, somewhere here. Sota is one of the few teams with Thibs maybe tthe only team that would value Noah and Rose that much.

And where were you at 14-10?

ive gone back and forth on Rose but Noah I'm sure was never a good fit with the starters
If we keep Noah he needs to be a backup.

14-10 is nothing to brag about.
Geez we should be aiming for titles and contending not a few games over .500

But were you prophetic about it now working then? at the 4th seed, there was a buzz about the team, and of course the trajectory was the team was still coming together?