Moonangie wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I would make a trade if we can bring in a 3rd team especially. To me denver makes the most sense. They can use Love. He would fit in nicely with Jokic and Gallinari in the frontcourt. We could get back Murray, who i think is going to be very good, Chandler, who can essentially replace Melo in the lineup and bring about 2/3 of the offense with better defense, and maybe both of Denver's 1st round picks this year, one of which would come from Memphis. Basically 2 picks in the 14-20 range. Cleveland can also get Nelson from them, who is a backup PG target and ideal for them.

I'd call the Denver package "plan B". IMO, plan A is the trade with Boston that gets us BKNY's pick.

knicks1248 wrote:Phil makes trades to get rid of players that don't run his precious triangle or seem like their disgruntal...he would trade melo for a bag of rocks.

Phil is worse than any Prez we ever had..

Not even close. Phil got us D.Rose when nobody thought we could get a good PG, Phil drafted KP and Billy, he got C.Lee on a good deal, he got us Kuz, KOQ, B.Jennings . Phil put a team together with plenty of talent and it's not on him that they can't play together cause they should be playing better.

newyorker4ever wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Phil makes trades to get rid of players that don't run his precious triangle or seem like their disgruntal...he would trade melo for a bag of rocks.

Phil is worse than any Prez we ever had..

Not even close. Phil got us D.Rose when nobody thought we could get a good PG, Phil drafted KP and Billy, he got C.Lee on a good deal, he got us Kuz, KOQ, B.Jennings . Phil put a team together with plenty of talent and it's not on him that they can't play together cause they should be playing better.

Scott Leyden?

newyorker4ever wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Phil makes trades to get rid of players that don't run his precious triangle or seem like their disgruntal...he would trade melo for a bag of rocks.

Phil is worse than any Prez we ever had..

Not even close. Phil got us D.Rose when nobody thought we could get a good PG, Phil drafted KP and Billy, he got C.Lee on a good deal, he got us Kuz, KOQ, B.Jennings . Phil put a team together with plenty of talent and it's not on him that they can't play together cause they should be playing better.

Scott Leyden?

Isaiah Thomas

Nah man Scott Leyden was capped out with Houston, Weatherspoon, Shandon Anderson and Howard Eisley taking up most of the cap. Brings back some bad memories

crzymdups wrote:Cavs lost to the KINGS at home tonight. Our old friend Arron Afflalo hit the game winning three.

I can pretty much guarantee when Phil leaves Isiah will make a strong play to come back to the Garden

gunsnewing wrote:Has Melo to The Spurs been discussed at all?

Pop knows better than that.

If he's in the trade I hope its to be flipped w a third team. Our goal should Be picks and youths who have shown they can play. Wondering if a trade could involve Tristan and some other athletes.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:I don't buy into the melo for Love offer. I would want picks so a third team would need to be involved

They just won the championship and they're currently in 1st. There isn't much rational incentive for them to break up their team, let alone to give away picks too.

Trade makes tons of sense. Keep in mind that lebron needs to rest once in a while

Melo can shoot deep like love. Can be more of a primary when lebron is resting

Melo and lebron can play 30 mpg for rest of season and be fresh for playoffs

I don't get the Love love though. Would prefer other assets

Agree, it makes sense for Cavs. And about Love. Think Uncle Phil wants someone to "Play the right way". Pass more than Melo. Love at 1.8 this year, not better. Score more than Melo, Love 20.5 so far, not better. Shoot better than Melo, Love 42%, 37% from 3pt., not better. Well at least he rebounds.

Phil just likes proving that he is the "Zen Master" and not just a coach that had Jordan, Pippen, Kobe, and Shaq. Lets hope he is the former.

im not saying i want kevin love (because i'm not sure i do) but this has to be about the dumbest rationale for not making a trade that i've seen. you're going to compare stats for two players who are in COMPLETELY and i capitalized and underlined the word completely because that's about how different the two players situations are. kevin love is the third scoring option on a team with two players who are combined averaging close to 40 shots a game. the assists makes no sense to me for two reasons.. one, being the third option, most times that kevin love touches the ball, it's near the end of the shot-clock and two, he's again playing with two players who have the ball in their hands a TON. he's not asked to be a playmaker, he's only asked to be a finisher. meanwhile carmelo has the ball in hands all the time and IS the playmaker for the knicks. their situations couldn't be more different.

again, i'm not sure i want kevin love, but im not going to judge his ability as a player, while being the 3rd option on a team with lebron james. i've always kind of viewed him as a stat-hanger in minnesota, alot of hollow 20 and 10's those years up there, but i also just don't think he fits well with kp. i do think he has the ability to be a playmaker in the post, as he has shown that while in minnesota.

Chandler wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Phil makes trades to get rid of players that don't run his precious triangle or seem like their disgruntal...he would trade melo for a bag of rocks.

Phil is worse than any Prez we ever had..

Not even close. Phil got us D.Rose when nobody thought we could get a good PG, Phil drafted KP and Billy, he got C.Lee on a good deal, he got us Kuz, KOQ, B.Jennings . Phil put a team together with plenty of talent and it's not on him that they can't play together cause they should be playing better.

+1 on the talent. Also we should keep in mind moves like rose were low risk tryouts. The quandary now is rose has shown he can get to the rim better than many here expected. The issue is what to do w him given our needs and his being more a 2 than a 1

The problem for Phil has been that he thinks he's still coaching. He's not. He was such a great coach, that all you needed to give him was a talented team and he would figure out ways. He thinks all coaches need that. Not true. Hornachek is a good coach, but ages removed from what Phil could do. Horny needs more of a D'Antoni type of roster. Not as much small ball, and 3 point shooting, but similar make up. Speed. Excellent athleticism. No ball dominant wing. Phil has probably figured that out now, seeing that he offered Melo for Love. However when he built these Knicks teams, he built them thinking he was going to coach them. That's been his biggest mistake. He's no longer a coach. He has to build the team the way his current coach, the system his current coach has, needs.

He is smart enough where I think he sees that and sees what Horny needs. The question is whether he can actually make the changes needed quick enough. Hornachek won't survive a slow start next season.

nyknickzingis wrote:

Chandler wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Phil makes trades to get rid of players that don't run his precious triangle or seem like their disgruntal...he would trade melo for a bag of rocks.

Phil is worse than any Prez we ever had..

Not even close. Phil got us D.Rose when nobody thought we could get a good PG, Phil drafted KP and Billy, he got C.Lee on a good deal, he got us Kuz, KOQ, B.Jennings . Phil put a team together with plenty of talent and it's not on him that they can't play together cause they should be playing better.

+1 on the talent. Also we should keep in mind moves like rose were low risk tryouts. The quandary now is rose has shown he can get to the rim better than many here expected. The issue is what to do w him given our needs and his being more a 2 than a 1

I agree Phil gets talent and also doesn't take longterm risks. He usually makes good calls on young players. O'Quinn. Galloway even was a good find (We should have kept him). Kuz. Baker. Plumlee. Obviously KP and Willy. He took short term risk on Jennigs and Rose. Good deal for Lee.

The problem for Phil has been that he thinks he's still coaching. He's not. He was such a great coach, that all you needed to give him was a talented team and he would figure out ways. He thinks all coaches need that. Not true. Hornachek is a good coach, but ages removed from what Phil could do. Horny needs more of a D'Antoni type of roster. Not as much small ball, and 3 point shooting, but similar make up. Speed. Excellent athleticism. No ball dominant wing. Phil has probably figured that out now, seeing that he offered Melo for Love. However when he built these Knicks teams, he built them thinking he was going to coach them. That's been his biggest mistake. He's no longer a coach. He has to build the team the way his current coach, the system his current coach has, needs.

He is smart enough where I think he sees that and sees what Horny needs. The question is whether he can actually make the changes needed quick enough. Hornachek won't survive a slow start next season.

agree to a point. I take both Phil and Jeff at their word that they want system basketball. I have seen very little of that on the first unit but see it on the second. I place that blame on the players not the coaches. They are going rogue. Second unit players are doing what the coach says because they know the consequences if they don't -- ride the pine. Likewise, the first unit consitently comes out flat on D in the first quarter (how many 30 point first quarters). They're not tired -- game just started. Now that could be defensive scheme but given the fact that this happens against essentially every team, I place blame on the players for not coming out with the right tenacity. Second unit gets after it. A long way of saying I think Phil is doing great; and I like Hornacek; we need a roster shuffle and accountability.