fishmike wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:fishmike wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:martin wrote:this stood out for me in the other Lee thread I created:Last season in Charlotte, Lee ranked first among qualified players on the Hornets in offensive rating (111.4), net rating (+6), true shooting percentage (57.6 percent) and assist ratio (18.9 percent). In the playoffs, Lee contested 12.1 shots per game, which not only ranked first among all Hornets but ninth among all postseason players. Charlotte’s top three lineups in terms of plus/minus in the playoffs all had one thing in common: Lee playing on the perimeter, either at shooting guard or small forward (when they went small). In fact, Charlotte had two of the top five lineups of the 2016 postseason and both featured Lee.
Gallo would never do this, and Lee did it as a starter.
You know Gallo will never do this because...
How good did Shump close the season when he came off his ACL and how well did he play in the playoffs to start? That just says he had a good run. He is an pretty goof player so it should be expected but he is just another role player like Gallo. Sometimes Lee starts and other times he comes off the bench it has been that way his entire career.
And I don't think any of those #s are right anyway. If you look on basketball reference, there is no player on CHO with a 111 offensive rating or a .576 true shooting percentage.
82 games has some telling #s for those who view EF% stats as the end all be all. Go look at his on/off court stats, as well as his EFG% vs. his opponents EFG%
Team/Lee/Opponent
Memphis +5.9/.528/.496
Char +4.2/.527/.468So on two diff teams we see Lee is plus player on both, and has a far superior EFG% than those he lines up against.
All that being said I an not huge fan of the Lee signing, but again.. I get it. Good veteran, stable player, hits his jumpers and is a very good defender. I don't like what we paid but he fills an important need and role. Also if you look at opposing SGs vs. Gallo last year he got lit up.
As a SG this year:
Gallo's EFG% .436 vs. opponents EFG% .543
But yea... Galloway gets us just as many wins as Lee because the metrics say so.
Statistically Gallo played much better at PG and most of his time was at PG. Those #s are based on about 1600 min at PG and 400 at SG.
Regardless, some of the stats look better for Lee and some for Gallo. If they were the same age and same price, I'd pick Lee. At 6 years younger and a quarter the price, Gallo is the much better value IMO. I think you get more wins out of Gallo (likely entering his prime) plus $38 mil spent well elsewhere than Lee (likely leaving or at the tail end of his prime) alone.
better value? He's an inferior player. If you have ever watched them....You are aware playoffs arent made by balancing the budget, they are made by winning games. Seriously you get that right?
Anywho you made an important point about building and improving the team incrementally. Based on that statement you would call a 40-42 (8 game improvement) a success right?
The two are not contradictory. Paying $200K for a house worth $200K is better value than paying $1 mil for a house worth $300K. If you have $1 mil you're better off buying the $200K house for $200K and investing the $800K elsewhere. (Note that I'm not granting that Lee is better anyway, or more importantly that in his early to mid 30s he will be better than Gallo in his mid 20s.)
40-42 wins would be a success *if* it is the first step towards incremental improvement (meaning the roster is generally players that meet criteria a through d that I stated before).
7/7/2016 5:10 PM
