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SocraticBallin22
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7/2/2016  5:05 PM
They tried Baker at the point. He looked uncomfortable; it's unnatural for him. He can't create off the dribble. His niche if he makes the team will be to be a spot up shooter off the bench and a guy with a high basketball IQ whose a ball mover. He has potential defensively--works hard.
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7/2/2016  5:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/2/2016  5:07 PM
nixluva wrote:I forgot Dajuan Summers. He looks ready.

Summers can easily earn a roster spot on a cheap one year contract.

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7/2/2016  5:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/2/2016  5:09 PM
SocraticBallin22 wrote:They tried Baker at the point. He looked uncomfortable; it's unnatural for him. He can't create off the dribble. His niche if he makes the team will be to be a spot up shooter off the bench and a guy with a high basketball IQ whose a ball mover. He has potential defensively--works hard.

The problem is hes not tall quick or fast for a SG--hes going to have problems getting his shot off and if he gets it off--hes just an average shooter> If we wanted a spot up shooter Bryn Forbes is a superior talent by a longshot. Lets bring on Derrick Jones and give him 30 minutes--I think he can be defensively disruptive right now and can fill lanes

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7/2/2016  5:13 PM
Diamond Stone is beasting. Good value pick.
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7/2/2016  5:14 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
nixluva wrote:
STATMELO wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:Interesting to see Baker being used as a lead guard.

Are they thinking of using him there sometimes?

I am not watching the game until tonight but it seemed like from the practice footage that was where they are playing him.

He looks capable. Combo guard for sure. He looks smoother with the ball than Gallo IMO.


I disagree don't see what your seeing looks very unnatural almost Dellavedova like and didn't look aggressive enough as a penetrator, rushed or gave up shots, missed wide open looks all day.

I liked his D but I don't see him guarding actual NBA guards. Summers and Plumlee lookee good, I'm intrigued by Tokoto's body and athletic ability.

This is his 1st game. I believe Baker will be fine. I'm not that worried about him. The shooting could just be an off game. We'll see as they play more games.

Kiss of death "He'll be fine". Yeah Im sure Ronny will be fine--he only played 7 years at Wichita State.

You mean the Knicks undrafted college senior might not be NBA material?

Man, who saw that coming...

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7/2/2016  5:14 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
STATMELO wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:Interesting to see Baker being used as a lead guard.

Are they thinking of using him there sometimes?

I am not watching the game until tonight but it seemed like from the practice footage that was where they are playing him.

He looks capable. Combo guard for sure. He looks smoother with the ball than Gallo IMO.


I disagree don't see what your seeing looks very unnatural almost Dellavedova like and didn't look aggressive enough as a penetrator, rushed or gave up shots, missed wide open looks all day.

I liked his D but I don't see him guarding actual NBA guards. Summers and Plumlee lookee good, I'm intrigued by Tokoto's body and athletic ability.


Baker is a better shooter than he showed today...that is the last thing I would be worried about with him, and his movement on D tells me he can play it and will get better. Shot has looked flat.

Tokoto, on the other hand, has a rep for being a poor shooter, and I can see why- you can't count on him improving on a skill he's always had trouble with.

You expect Baker's shot to come around because of his history as a player...you just can't say the same for Tokoto.

Summers will turn 29 in January and has been in the NBA for parts of 4 seasons...he is what he is at this point.


The issue with baker is that he cannot penetrate. He is a good shooter, although he did not show it today....

However what you saw between us in Detroit is a farm system with talent and one without

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7/2/2016  5:15 PM
SocraticBallin22 wrote:
nixluva wrote:I forgot Dajuan Summers. He looks ready.

Summers can easily earn a roster spot on a cheap one year contract.


No part of Summers we can find talent like that easily....
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7/2/2016  5:19 PM
ekstarks94 wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
STATMELO wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:Interesting to see Baker being used as a lead guard.

Are they thinking of using him there sometimes?

I am not watching the game until tonight but it seemed like from the practice footage that was where they are playing him.

He looks capable. Combo guard for sure. He looks smoother with the ball than Gallo IMO.


I disagree don't see what your seeing looks very unnatural almost Dellavedova like and didn't look aggressive enough as a penetrator, rushed or gave up shots, missed wide open looks all day.

I liked his D but I don't see him guarding actual NBA guards. Summers and Plumlee lookee good, I'm intrigued by Tokoto's body and athletic ability.


Baker is a better shooter than he showed today...that is the last thing I would be worried about with him, and his movement on D tells me he can play it and will get better. Shot has looked flat.

Tokoto, on the other hand, has a rep for being a poor shooter, and I can see why- you can't count on him improving on a skill he's always had trouble with.

You expect Baker's shot to come around because of his history as a player...you just can't say the same for Tokoto.

Summers will turn 29 in January and has been in the NBA for parts of 4 seasons...he is what he is at this point.


The issue with baker is that he cannot penetrate. He is a good shooter, although he did not show it today....

However what you saw between us in Detroit is a farm system with talent and one without

Farm system?

How many of Detroit's SL players are on their 15 man roster?

Whatever your answer is their "farm system".

Everyone else will be a free agent in a week by literal definition of the term.

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7/2/2016  5:21 PM
So we're doing that thing where we're pretending the results of the first day of summer league has any relation whatsoever to the upcoming NBA season?

Again..?

Annual right of passage i suppose.

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7/2/2016  5:22 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
ekstarks94 wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
STATMELO wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:Interesting to see Baker being used as a lead guard.

Are they thinking of using him there sometimes?

I am not watching the game until tonight but it seemed like from the practice footage that was where they are playing him.

He looks capable. Combo guard for sure. He looks smoother with the ball than Gallo IMO.


I disagree don't see what your seeing looks very unnatural almost Dellavedova like and didn't look aggressive enough as a penetrator, rushed or gave up shots, missed wide open looks all day.

I liked his D but I don't see him guarding actual NBA guards. Summers and Plumlee lookee good, I'm intrigued by Tokoto's body and athletic ability.


Baker is a better shooter than he showed today...that is the last thing I would be worried about with him, and his movement on D tells me he can play it and will get better. Shot has looked flat.

Tokoto, on the other hand, has a rep for being a poor shooter, and I can see why- you can't count on him improving on a skill he's always had trouble with.

You expect Baker's shot to come around because of his history as a player...you just can't say the same for Tokoto.

Summers will turn 29 in January and has been in the NBA for parts of 4 seasons...he is what he is at this point.


The issue with baker is that he cannot penetrate. He is a good shooter, although he did not show it today....

However what you saw between us in Detroit is a farm system with talent and one without

Farm system?

How many of Detroit's SL players are on their 15 man roster?

Whatever your answer is their "farm system".

Everyone else will be a free agent in a week by literal definition of the term.

Ellison....and Johnson.....

Better yet how many of our players would have shot at the roster if we had players like that....maybe baker...no one else

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7/2/2016  5:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/2/2016  5:27 PM
ekstarks94 wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
ekstarks94 wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
STATMELO wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:Interesting to see Baker being used as a lead guard.

Are they thinking of using him there sometimes?

I am not watching the game until tonight but it seemed like from the practice footage that was where they are playing him.

He looks capable. Combo guard for sure. He looks smoother with the ball than Gallo IMO.


I disagree don't see what your seeing looks very unnatural almost Dellavedova like and didn't look aggressive enough as a penetrator, rushed or gave up shots, missed wide open looks all day.

I liked his D but I don't see him guarding actual NBA guards. Summers and Plumlee lookee good, I'm intrigued by Tokoto's body and athletic ability.


Baker is a better shooter than he showed today...that is the last thing I would be worried about with him, and his movement on D tells me he can play it and will get better. Shot has looked flat.

Tokoto, on the other hand, has a rep for being a poor shooter, and I can see why- you can't count on him improving on a skill he's always had trouble with.

You expect Baker's shot to come around because of his history as a player...you just can't say the same for Tokoto.

Summers will turn 29 in January and has been in the NBA for parts of 4 seasons...he is what he is at this point.


The issue with baker is that he cannot penetrate. He is a good shooter, although he did not show it today....

However what you saw between us in Detroit is a farm system with talent and one without

Farm system?

How many of Detroit's SL players are on their 15 man roster?

Whatever your answer is their "farm system".

Everyone else will be a free agent in a week by literal definition of the term.

Ellison....and Johnson.....

Better yet how many of our players would have shot at the roster if we had players like that....maybe baker...no one else

Listen, I can't argue Detroit had a pick this year and the Knicks didn't, so yeah, they have an Ellenson and the Knicks don't. Fair enough.

But I don't get the Johnson retort. Knicks have Porzingis, who is younger than Johnson and was too good to repeat SL.

i fail to see how having Johnson on their team (again) works in favor of the Pistons over NY.

That's a NY win.

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7/2/2016  5:31 PM
I agree with...I guess my point lamenting not having "other" young talent. I know we traded Grant....we still have Early who I like....but Detroit looked rock solid....but let's chalk that up to day 1 of summer league
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7/2/2016  5:40 PM
ekstarks94 wrote:
SocraticBallin22 wrote:
nixluva wrote:I forgot Dajuan Summers. He looks ready.

Summers can easily earn a roster spot on a cheap one year contract.


No part of Summers we can find talent like that easily....
He is coming back from an acl. I am going to watch the game. He was awesome in Westchester up until his injury. He looked like an nba player.
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7/2/2016  5:42 PM
ekstarks94 wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
STATMELO wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:Interesting to see Baker being used as a lead guard.

Are they thinking of using him there sometimes?

I am not watching the game until tonight but it seemed like from the practice footage that was where they are playing him.

He looks capable. Combo guard for sure. He looks smoother with the ball than Gallo IMO.


I disagree don't see what your seeing looks very unnatural almost Dellavedova like and didn't look aggressive enough as a penetrator, rushed or gave up shots, missed wide open looks all day.

I liked his D but I don't see him guarding actual NBA guards. Summers and Plumlee lookee good, I'm intrigued by Tokoto's body and athletic ability.


Baker is a better shooter than he showed today...that is the last thing I would be worried about with him, and his movement on D tells me he can play it and will get better. Shot has looked flat.

Tokoto, on the other hand, has a rep for being a poor shooter, and I can see why- you can't count on him improving on a skill he's always had trouble with.

You expect Baker's shot to come around because of his history as a player...you just can't say the same for Tokoto.

Summers will turn 29 in January and has been in the NBA for parts of 4 seasons...he is what he is at this point.


The issue with baker is that he cannot penetrate. He is a good shooter, although he did not show it today....

However what you saw between us in Detroit is a farm system with talent and one without

I would be careful making too much of the 1st SL game. We don't know what the Knicks have these players working on. We don't know if the young players just had nerves at the same time wanting to execute what they've learned more than trying to show everything they've got. We'll learn more as they play more games. I like Baker, Plumlee, Tokoto and i'm curious about Avila and Harris. Summers looked comfortable which is nice to see.

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7/2/2016  5:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/2/2016  6:14 PM
Watching the replay now. Impressed with Tokoto's ability to facilitate, pass the rock, get to the line and play D. And I like Baker even though he wasn't particularly effective today. Plumlee wasn't horrible either. And I've always liked Summers going back to G-Town but let's face it, these guys are all longshots to make an NBA team. Is it me or does Bachynski for Detroit look bigger than what I remember? He looks like he put on 20 lbs.
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7/2/2016  6:03 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
nixluva wrote:
STATMELO wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:Interesting to see Baker being used as a lead guard.

Are they thinking of using him there sometimes?

I am not watching the game until tonight but it seemed like from the practice footage that was where they are playing him.

He looks capable. Combo guard for sure. He looks smoother with the ball than Gallo IMO.


I disagree don't see what your seeing looks very unnatural almost Dellavedova like and didn't look aggressive enough as a penetrator, rushed or gave up shots, missed wide open looks all day.

I liked his D but I don't see him guarding actual NBA guards. Summers and Plumlee lookee good, I'm intrigued by Tokoto's body and athletic ability.

This is his 1st game. I believe Baker will be fine. I'm not that worried about him. The shooting could just be an off game. We'll see as they play more games.

Kiss of death "He'll be fine". Yeah Im sure Ronny will be fine--he only played 7 years at Wichita State.


You're on a roll today...

You a little testy because of the $$ you'll probably lose on that KP for Durant bet?

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7/2/2016  6:05 PM
Finestrg wrote:Watching the replay now. Impressed with Tokoyo's ability to facilitate, pass the Rock and play D. And I like Baker even though he wasn't particularly effective today. Plumlee wasn't horrible either. And I've always liked Summers going back to G-Town...Is it me or does Bachynski for Detroit look bigger than what I remember? He looks like he put on 20 lbs.

Bachynski is definitely bigger, but it was the hair which made the difference.
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7/2/2016  6:08 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
nixluva wrote:
STATMELO wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:Interesting to see Baker being used as a lead guard.

Are they thinking of using him there sometimes?

I am not watching the game until tonight but it seemed like from the practice footage that was where they are playing him.

He looks capable. Combo guard for sure. He looks smoother with the ball than Gallo IMO.


I disagree don't see what your seeing looks very unnatural almost Dellavedova like and didn't look aggressive enough as a penetrator, rushed or gave up shots, missed wide open looks all day.

I liked his D but I don't see him guarding actual NBA guards. Summers and Plumlee lookee good, I'm intrigued by Tokoto's body and athletic ability.

This is his 1st game. I believe Baker will be fine. I'm not that worried about him. The shooting could just be an off game. We'll see as they play more games.

Kiss of death "He'll be fine". Yeah Im sure Ronny will be fine--he only played 7 years at Wichita State.

You mean the Knicks undrafted college senior might not be NBA material?

Man, who saw that coming...

Ah if a player is not really good its convenient to say well hes only a senior UDFA and if the same player was great someone s a bonafide genius.

RIP Crushalot😞
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7/2/2016  6:13 PM
ekstarks94 wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
STATMELO wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:Interesting to see Baker being used as a lead guard.

Are they thinking of using him there sometimes?

I am not watching the game until tonight but it seemed like from the practice footage that was where they are playing him.

He looks capable. Combo guard for sure. He looks smoother with the ball than Gallo IMO.


I disagree don't see what your seeing looks very unnatural almost Dellavedova like and didn't look aggressive enough as a penetrator, rushed or gave up shots, missed wide open looks all day.

I liked his D but I don't see him guarding actual NBA guards. Summers and Plumlee lookee good, I'm intrigued by Tokoto's body and athletic ability.


Baker is a better shooter than he showed today...that is the last thing I would be worried about with him, and his movement on D tells me he can play it and will get better. Shot has looked flat.

Tokoto, on the other hand, has a rep for being a poor shooter, and I can see why- you can't count on him improving on a skill he's always had trouble with.

You expect Baker's shot to come around because of his history as a player...you just can't say the same for Tokoto.

Summers will turn 29 in January and has been in the NBA for parts of 4 seasons...he is what he is at this point.


The issue with baker is that he cannot penetrate. He is a good shooter, although he did not show it today....

However what you saw between us in Detroit is a farm system with talent and one without


He does have to be able to cut to the basket and score, though.

Never expected to penetrate off the dribble.

I think I'm going to be saying the same about him as I did about Galloway during his first SL. He was known as a shooter in college, and except for one game, he was pretty poor in SL.

Baker has a rep as a shooter...that should come around.

I also saw some defensive ability that I did not expect at this level, even against SL competition. Disrupted Johnson, who had his way getting to the basket, one time, and showed quick feet.

Nobody commented on the recovery block he had on a Piston guard who got to the hole...the play where Bachynski foolowed up with a put back- that was impressive.


With this said- if he cannot hit his J on a consistent basis, he is not going to remain in this league very long. Looked flat today...expect it to be better in the future.

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7/2/2016  6:16 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:Diamond Stone is beasting. Good value pick.

#17 Diamond Stone--6-11 260 Mobile for such a big guy good motor with good two way skills. Hes an NBA player for sure moves well for such a big guy and can hit his FT's Has some Zach Randolph in him

RIP Crushalot😞
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