Considering D. Rose started to show signs of his old game last season is promising. Not to mention, he's better than what we have now.
YouTube last game he played against the Knicks. He was ball'n.

Have no problem trading Lopez for him. If we can get a draft pick thrown in, even better.
If it doesn't work out he's off the books after the season.

TLover wrote:22 million dollars for a low lottery pick; doubt the owner goes for that.

Considering D. Rose started to show signs of his old game last season is promising. Not to mention, he's better than what we have now.
YouTube last game he played against the Knicks. He was ball'n.

Have no problem trading Lopez for him. If we can get a draft pick thrown in, even better.
If it doesn't work out he's off the books after the season.

If Rose was "ball'n" so well last season, why are the Bulls looking to get rid of him ESPECIALLY when you consider that he's the hometown kid with a HUGE fan following? None of that sounds like anything that's good for business, which this is effectively about at the end of the day.

NardDogNation wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

TLover wrote:22 million dollars for a low lottery pick; doubt the owner goes for that.

Considering D. Rose started to show signs of his old game last season is promising. Not to mention, he's better than what we have now.
YouTube last game he played against the Knicks. He was ball'n.

Have no problem trading Lopez for him. If we can get a draft pick thrown in, even better.
If it doesn't work out he's off the books after the season.

I think it is worth considering. Only if Conley says no.

Derrick Rose to me is a risk on par with Rondo or Jennings. Slightly higher upside. More risk for downside. Not a "no brainer" trade, but something you think about.

It may be worth considering if it's a pure contract dump. It's lunancy if it involves us giving up assets for a guy who has only played in 50% of his games over 4 seasons (per info provided by RealGM).

Andrea Bargnani was a ridiculous trade from the jump. This one may very well be more foolish.

I would not give up anything of value. I think Jose Calderon should be enough.

The Bargnani thing was awful because it was so bad for team chemistry. Not sure if Rose would be.

Of the legit PG options, Rose would be 4th on my list behind Conley, Rondo, Jennings. Rose I'd have to think about and if it involved giving up a first round pick, the answer would prob be no.

fishmike wrote:I hate the idea of rentals. I prefer continuity at this point. Rose is a little high on himself and still views himself as an alpha superstar. His WS/48 numbers are so mind numbingly bad its a hard to believe. He's just not a good player anymore. I would much prefer a guy like Rondo who will at least get your other players good looks, or Jennings who if he looks good physically could be a good piece moving forward...

Just too hard to envision a Rose scenario I like. For Jose? I would rather have Jose shooting 3s off the bench for 18-20 mpg than Rose thinking he's still an MVP for 35. With Jose at least you know the focus is on the younger guys taking over. Rose will be all about Rose Rose Rose

good for you!

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:I hate the idea of rentals. I prefer continuity at this point. Rose is a little high on himself and still views himself as an alpha superstar. His WS/48 numbers are so mind numbingly bad its a hard to believe. He's just not a good player anymore. I would much prefer a guy like Rondo who will at least get your other players good looks, or Jennings who if he looks good physically could be a good piece moving forward...

Just too hard to envision a Rose scenario I like. For Jose? I would rather have Jose shooting 3s off the bench for 18-20 mpg than Rose thinking he's still an MVP for 35. With Jose at least you know the focus is on the younger guys taking over. Rose will be all about Rose Rose Rose

good for you!

Well there is context.. and its especially telling because Chi is a 500 ish team. That stat gets washed out when the player's team is either elite or terrible, but his advanced stats pre/post injury are telling.

That being said don't get too excited.. its just a number. If that was the golden stat than I could say we need more players like Amare

new york amare?

joec32033 wrote:I love Rose, but i am not giving up much more than 2 out of the 3 of Afflalo, O Quinn, or Calderon. They want a young guy like Grant (a 1st), or Galloway (2 2nds minimum) they need to throw in picks.

The real key to bringing Rose here is tempering expectations on him. He gives me that 15 5 4 line or so that is perfect and he is a nice piece to add that will make them better, maybe attract new better players, and of he does get back to where he was or maybe alters his game like LJ did when he got here it is a major bonus.

crzymdups wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

TLover wrote:22 million dollars for a low lottery pick; doubt the owner goes for that.

Considering D. Rose started to show signs of his old game last season is promising. Not to mention, he's better than what we have now.
YouTube last game he played against the Knicks. He was ball'n.

Have no problem trading Lopez for him. If we can get a draft pick thrown in, even better.
If it doesn't work out he's off the books after the season.

I think it is worth considering. Only if Conley says no.

Derrick Rose to me is a risk on par with Rondo or Jennings. Slightly higher upside. More risk for downside. Not a "no brainer" trade, but something you think about.

It may be worth considering if it's a pure contract dump. It's lunancy if it involves us giving up assets for a guy who has only played in 50% of his games over 4 seasons (per info provided by RealGM).

Andrea Bargnani was a ridiculous trade from the jump. This one may very well be more foolish.

I would not give up anything of value. I think Jose Calderon should be enough.

The Bargnani thing was awful because it was so bad for team chemistry. Not sure if Rose would be.

Of the legit PG options, Rose would be 4th on my list behind Conley, Rondo, Jennings. Rose I'd have to think about and if it involved giving up a first round pick, the answer would prob be no.

Calderon for Rose, I could tolerate but TLover was talking about giving up assets for him like Robin Lopez. That's a bad idea especially if there are still options on the table.

The only thing that would make me forego maintaining money for a Mike Conley is if Derrick Rose came with the Bulls' pick this year. And even so, I'd still be inclined to use the stretch provision on him just to get the pick.

fishmike wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I love Rose, but i am not giving up much more than 2 out of the 3 of Afflalo, O Quinn, or Calderon. They want a young guy like Grant (a 1st), or Galloway (2 2nds minimum) they need to throw in picks.

The real key to bringing Rose here is tempering expectations on him. He gives me that 15 5 4 line or so that is perfect and he is a nice piece to add that will make them better, maybe attract new better players, and of he does get back to where he was or maybe alters his game like LJ did when he got here it is a major bonus.

here's the thing.. he wants to get PAID. So you have a guy at 27-28 years old looking to show he's still worth a huge payday. Do you want that situation on the roster when your still trying to break in young guards (Wroten/Grant)? There are so many negative factors to taking on Rose I would just pass. It would have to be a lunacy deal like Rose + pick #14 for Jose where Chi is basically paying us $13mm and a pick to take Rose's salary. If that was the case and he started playing well I would trade high at the first moment's notice

To maximize our return from the Bulls, I'd look to peddle off Calderon on the Sixers. That'd allow the Bulls to completely free up $20 million of cap space flexibility, which would be far more appealing than Calderon + $13 million of cap space flexibility.

CrushAlot wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:

joec32033 wrote:I love Rose, but i am not giving up much more than 2 out of the 3 of Afflalo, O Quinn, or Calderon. They want a young guy like Grant (a 1st), or Galloway (2 2nds minimum) they need to throw in picks.

The real key to bringing Rose here is tempering expectations on him. He gives me that 15 5 4 line or so that is perfect and he is a nice piece to add that will make them better, maybe attract new better players, and of he does get back to where he was or maybe alters his game like LJ did when he got here it is a major bonus.

here's the thing.. he wants to get PAID. So you have a guy at 27-28 years old looking to show he's still worth a huge payday. Do you want that situation on the roster when your still trying to break in young guards (Wroten/Grant)? There are so many negative factors to taking on Rose I would just pass. It would have to be a lunacy deal like Rose + pick #14 for Jose where Chi is basically paying us $13mm and a pick to take Rose's salary. If that was the case and he started playing well I would trade high at the first moment's notice

To maximize our return from the Bulls, I'd look to peddle off Calderon on the Sixers. That'd allow the Bulls to completely free up $20 million of cap space flexibility, which would be far more appealing than Calderon + $13 million of cap space flexibility.

How would you get Philly to take Jose.

Cash...all we've got ($3.4 million, right?). Remember that the Sixers desperately need a veteran presence and enough money to reach the cap floor ($70-ish million). Calderon allows them to achieve both ends and if we threw in money, the Sixers wouldn't even be responsible for his full salary. Also, the Colangelo- Toronto connection between both parties bodes well to it happening.