crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:THE MEDIA GETS IT RIGHT AGAIN!!!!!

There are few things I really revel in, but watching the NY media totally whiff is utterly enjoyable. It was Rambis all along!

Super interesting is the triangle understory.

I can honestly see this:
Phil and Jeff meet extensively. They quickly find a chemistry, and regardless of potential differences in BB philosophy they can both immediately tell that communication will be good. Jeff says "Phil... I know your system. Trust me nobody knows it better than I do! But here is your roster, and if I had the same team I would have won 50 games and here is how. They spend the next 2 hours drinking beers talking the chess of basketball. Phil is smitten, but cool and remains reserved. Phil goes to Montana and shrooms. Day two its moonshine. Day three Maryjane comes and steals the hangover away. With the cleansing golden trifecta of clear thought having opened his mind he calls Jeff and says "Lets make this happen."

I like this. Out of the box. Great hoops guy. Uber high IQ player. Really cant wait to hear about the offense he's gonna run and if Rambis is on the staff in any capacity more than a player development guy.

I could see your version being close... though he met Hornacek this Monday in LA after his vacation. Maybe they met before and it was a second meeting? Regardless, according to Beck they knew and respected one another.

Most interesting part to me is that Hornacek was told that he wouldn't be forced to run the Triangle (according to JVG, who I trust to be right). Was Phil's trip to Montana a chance to reflect that winning should take precedence to winning with the Triangle (always my main issue with Phil)? I do think there's still a very strong chance he proposed Rambis as an option and was shot down. Blatt was maybe too much a Mills guy, Vogel who knows how they clicked or not, Hornacek is clearly a smart guy and Phil maybe thinks they have a rapport and can work together. Triangle secondary? He said as recently at the end of the season that it'd be pretty important to run the Triangle.

Hornacek's coach Sloan and the Jazz ran a lot of pick and roll, but used a lot of flex action out of the post that had system dictated cuts. The shooting guard (Hornacek) was just as important in initiating offense as the PG (Stockton, though Stockton racked up a ton of assists running the pick and roll with Malone). Sloan and Phil also had a ton of respect for one another. I'm guessing Phil and Hornacek bonded over the system basketball of the Triangle and Jerry Sloan and can find some sort of middle ground that incorporates both.

Hey, I'm glad Phil went outside his coaching tree and may be ready to let go of the Triangle or bust philosophy that some assumed he operated on.

I think this is a good hire that has the potential to be a great hire. I like it. As I said when we thought Walton had a shot to be the coach - I'm all for modernizing the Triangle. THAT is what the Warriors did. The Warriors don't run the 1992 Bulls Triangle - they run their own flavor based on the personnel they have. I think Hornacek is smart enough to adapt to the personnel he has, as he showed in PHX with the two PG attack he created there. I'm cautiously excited.

Also, NOW we can start talking about pieces and guys to target in the draft and free agency. Because we have an idea of who the coach is and what that might look like.

I'd be very on board to add a Brandon Jennings for the way Hornacek coaches. Jennings and Bazemore would be a nice off-season

you had me until you mentioned BJ

what can I say? I think that kid would be good in NY. I know he's not hyper efficient, but there aren't a ton of efficient guards in FA and we don't have a draft pick.

Give Jennings a 2 year "show me" deal $10M in year one, team option for $12M in year two.

I would rather seth curry at that price.

According to Hahn "big guards" will be focus? Batum? Courtney Lee? Bazemore? Who knows.

Ohhhh.. Evan Turner, too. That name keeps cropping up. I bet we give Evan Turner $12M at least. I kiiiiinda like him. I go back and forth. He killed the Knicks a few times this year, for sure.

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Evan Turner can't shoot. Don't know why so many here are in love with him. Can't see Hornky going after a non shooter like him.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/knicks-close-to-deal-to-make-jeff-hornacek-their-new-coach-1463618361

Jeff Hornacek is in line to become the Knicks’ next head coach, a person familiar with the matter confirmed late Wednesday night.

The Knicks had yet to confirm the news, and no official deal was in place. But things are moving in that direction, and figure to be completed in the days to come, according to the source.

Hornacek’s candidacy—let alone his being hired—was unexpected, given that Knicks president Phil Jackson said early in the search process that he preferred to speak mostly with prospective coaches who had personal connections to him and his beloved triangle offense.

But according to the source, Jackson is convinced that Hornacek, the former All-Star guard and Phoenix Suns head coach, “is a smart basketball mind who can come up with the right kind of system” for the Knicks, who have much different personnel than did his Suns teams.

That latter point could be key: Were Jackson to let go of the reins and allow Hornacek to run either a hybrid triangle, or another offense altogether, it would mark a huge reversal from how he handled Derek Fisher, who was fired in early February in part because he often allowed his players to deviate from the set offense when things weren’t working.

Of the known candidates—including interim head coach and widely reported favorite Kurt Rambis, former Cleveland Cavaliers coach David Blatt and ex-Indiana Pacers coach Frank Vogel—Hornacek would seem the most stylistically different from Jackson.

Where the triangle offense zigs, creating open looks from the midrange and pinch-post areas of the court, Hornacek’s run-and-gun system seemingly zags, with a more modern, up-tempo pace and preference for 3-pointers and ample driving lanes for wing players.

Hornacek played the final six years of his NBA career in Utah under Jerry Sloan, who used a two-guard front on offense, similar to the triangle.

Some of Hornacek’s style with Phoenix, where he was fired this season after 2 1/2 years on the job, was likely based on his small-ball personnel, given that his best players all happened to be point guards. But there’s no denying that there appear to be differences between how Hornacek and Jackson think about offense.

The 53-year-old Hornacek interviewed for the job on Monday. He was runner-up in NBA Coach of the Year voting in 2014, when he lifted Phoenix to 48 wins from 25 the season before. But he was dismissed midway through this past season with a total record of 101-112.

Actually that'll probably be the headline when they hire him. Oh boy.

martin wrote:I literally don't know what to make of this. Dude def brought the space offense to his teams but he also had like 3 PGs on roster, so that really was his only route.

Wonder how the Triangle mixes with all of this.

I don't get it, i was a little confused when they interview him, like he has no triangle affiliation except getting his ass kicked by it in 2 straight finals..lol

I like the hire though, actually i like anyone not name rambis, but im also dying to hear what happen with blatt and vogel

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:If Phil was going to abort the triangle I wish he had done it when Thibs was available and wanted the job. But Phil wasn't being forced to search for a coach at the time. He was good with Rambis

Hornacek has a much much better offensive mind.

I hope you are right considering the roster is trash outside of KP.

I'd have more faith in Thibs laying down a defensive foundation with what we have than Horny getting these bums to play more efficient team offense

I don't want to see Phil go. I want to see him finish what he started and Dolan and others to stay out of his way and let him do the job he was paid $60mil to do

Also Kerr wanted him. Kerr was a former GM who a lot of people respect when it comes to his opinions on coaches (see Walton, Blatt, and Gentry). Hornacek would of been one of the Hot coaching commodities by next season based on that Warriors job. All Phil did was have the foresight to see that and hired him early.

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yellowboy90 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Does no triangle signal the end of New-Melo, Team-Melo, Dad-Melo or whatever you guys were calling him? Does this signal the end of the Phil Jackson experiment, the rebirth of Mills and dare I say it the return of Isiah & the 2 guard offense?

You knows but does this mean Melo has now become Jedi/Zen-Melo for getting Phil to do a real search?

I think Phil was forced into the "search"

He wanted Rambis and the power to be more hands on. Melo made it clear to Dolan he wasn't about that. Dolan/Mills forced the search Phil reluctantly went searching. Interviewed Vogel, Blatt with no intention of hiring them but went through the motions to please his bosses with every intention on reverting to Rambis. He never made a legitimate push for Vogel or Blatt. His presentation and plan wasn't convincing to them. They said thanks but no thanks and sought greener passages. Then Phil said FUCK it, FUCK you all and hired his nemesis protege. Either that or he is on his way out leaving the Knicks to start from scratch with a ANOTHER system AGAIN.

Rinse
Repeat
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You do realize you just made all this up in your head don't you- it doesn't actually make it real

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:THE MEDIA GETS IT RIGHT AGAIN!!!!!

There are few things I really revel in, but watching the NY media totally whiff is utterly enjoyable. It was Rambis all along!

Super interesting is the triangle understory.

I can honestly see this:
Phil and Jeff meet extensively. They quickly find a chemistry, and regardless of potential differences in BB philosophy they can both immediately tell that communication will be good. Jeff says "Phil... I know your system. Trust me nobody knows it better than I do! But here is your roster, and if I had the same team I would have won 50 games and here is how. They spend the next 2 hours drinking beers talking the chess of basketball. Phil is smitten, but cool and remains reserved. Phil goes to Montana and shrooms. Day two its moonshine. Day three Maryjane comes and steals the hangover away. With the cleansing golden trifecta of clear thought having opened his mind he calls Jeff and says "Lets make this happen."

I like this. Out of the box. Great hoops guy. Uber high IQ player. Really cant wait to hear about the offense he's gonna run and if Rambis is on the staff in any capacity more than a player development guy.

I could see your version being close... though he met Hornacek this Monday in LA after his vacation. Maybe they met before and it was a second meeting? Regardless, according to Beck they knew and respected one another.

Most interesting part to me is that Hornacek was told that he wouldn't be forced to run the Triangle (according to JVG, who I trust to be right). Was Phil's trip to Montana a chance to reflect that winning should take precedence to winning with the Triangle (always my main issue with Phil)? I do think there's still a very strong chance he proposed Rambis as an option and was shot down. Blatt was maybe too much a Mills guy, Vogel who knows how they clicked or not, Hornacek is clearly a smart guy and Phil maybe thinks they have a rapport and can work together. Triangle secondary? He said as recently at the end of the season that it'd be pretty important to run the Triangle.

Hornacek's coach Sloan and the Jazz ran a lot of pick and roll, but used a lot of flex action out of the post that had system dictated cuts. The shooting guard (Hornacek) was just as important in initiating offense as the PG (Stockton, though Stockton racked up a ton of assists running the pick and roll with Malone). Sloan and Phil also had a ton of respect for one another. I'm guessing Phil and Hornacek bonded over the system basketball of the Triangle and Jerry Sloan and can find some sort of middle ground that incorporates both.

Hey, I'm glad Phil went outside his coaching tree and may be ready to let go of the Triangle or bust philosophy that some assumed he operated on.

I think this is a good hire that has the potential to be a great hire. I like it. As I said when we thought Walton had a shot to be the coach - I'm all for modernizing the Triangle. THAT is what the Warriors did. The Warriors don't run the 1992 Bulls Triangle - they run their own flavor based on the personnel they have. I think Hornacek is smart enough to adapt to the personnel he has, as he showed in PHX with the two PG attack he created there. I'm cautiously excited.

Also, NOW we can start talking about pieces and guys to target in the draft and free agency. Because we have an idea of who the coach is and what that might look like.

I'd be very on board to add a Brandon Jennings for the way Hornacek coaches. Jennings and Bazemore would be a nice off-season

you had me until you mentioned BJ

what can I say? I think that kid would be good in NY. I know he's not hyper efficient, but there aren't a ton of efficient guards in FA and we don't have a draft pick.

Give Jennings a 2 year "show me" deal $10M in year one, team option for $12M in year two.

I would rather seth curry at that price.

According to Hahn "big guards" will be focus? Batum? Courtney Lee? Bazemore? Who knows.

Ohhhh.. Evan Turner, too. That name keeps cropping up. I bet we give Evan Turner $12M at least. I kiiiiinda like him. I go back and forth. He killed the Knicks a few times this year, for sure.

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Sounds like Triangle type of targets. But then again it is the media claiming who we are interested in.