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nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:
actually when everyone says the same thing nobody's reputation is at stake. The simple fact is none of the reporters you mentioned have a clue what Phil is leaning towards, what his plan is or what his preference is. So to write something to go with what everyone else is saying because there is nothing better out there.

First we heard Phil isn't meeting anyone because he's already got his mind made up. Then it turns out he's talked to Walton, Blatt, Vogel and Hornicek and those are the only ones that were reported.

Lets actually think logically. If anyone knows Kurt's strengths and shortcomings its Phil. Why do you think he tried for Kerr and then Fisher first instead of just putting his buddy Kurt in there in the first place? Why wouldn't he have already hired Kurt if he thought he was the best choice? Phil could get Shaq and Kobe, two guys who hated each other to play well together night in and night out. Do we really think he couldn't push Dolan into letting him hire Rambis?

Think about it... actually think.

If you think Phil is only here for a money grab to rub the triangle in people's faces than please... just move along. I don't have time for that. But if can actually bring yourself to accept that Phil is into this challenge of turning around a poorly run franchise, of instilling a winning culture, or being part of growing and developing something lets use our brains for one minute. He's looking for the right fit, and he knows Rambis has shortcomings enough where he doesn't want to put his buddy in a position to fail and in turn put himself in a position to fail. It doesn't make sense. Reality.. its not defined by reporters all saying the same thing because none of them has anything to say. The media (all of em) are wrong all the time.

If anything I would believe Phil is desperate NOT to hire Rambis, but has yet to find someone, or come to terms with a fit he trusts to run it how he envisions. Maybe his vision is too rigid, but nothing ruins a franchise faster than a front office and coaching staff not on the same page. Add to that the Fisher failure, and Phil has very little margin for error here.

I wonder who else he's talked to that everyone hasn't reported on???? Crzymdups, you once said you could live with Rambis if Phil at least conducted a real search. Does Walton/Blatt/Vogel/Hornicek count?

Part of me is mostly curious by a Rambis hire, because I want to know what Phil is going to do to mitigate his own doubts. A more hand on training camp? I really wonder.

This is Marc Stein, ESPN's senior reporter writing yesterday... he's just making all this stuff up? I don't think Jackson is here for the money. I think he's done an up and down job and I am very interested in how this coaching search plays out, because it appears that Jackson is not the one with final say anymore. Which gives a clue as to how long he'll be here. I find it interesting. You guys seem to take it as a personal affront. I don't want Phil to leave, I fear what would come next... but... I am INTERESTED in what is going on. Because I don't think it is nearly as cut and dry as you guys make it. Read the bolded below closely - if it's Phil's hire to make... why does it say Jackson is requesting Rambis be given strong consideration? Do you think that phrasing is accidental. It sounds to me like Jackson does not have final say on the Rambis hire or that it has been blocked. I don't know why some of y'all take this so personally. Frankly, it's not about any of you or your opinions. I'm interested in what is happening. Yes it's speculating and reading between the lines to create a narrative... but that's what sports is for a lot of people. I really don't understand the defensiveness that comes up when I suggest a theory as to why every single major NBA writer is writing that Phil wants Rambis and it hasn't happened yet.

Please read. And then you think about it... actually think.

At Jackson's behest, Knicks interim coach Kurt Rambis has been getting strong consideration for the post since the regular season ended. ESPN.com reported last month that former Cleveland Cavaliers coach David Blatt was the ‎first external candidate to emerge as a serious contender for the post, while the New York Daily News first reported Sunday that former Indiana Pacers coach Frank Vogel discussed the job with Jackson last week.

It remains to be seen whether the Knicks will broaden their search, as star forward Carmelo Anthony has openly wished for. But sources say Rambis is, at worst, expected to remain with the club as a lead assistant if Jackson shelves his long-held desire to make Rambis his full-time coach and ultimately hires from the outside.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15564462/new-york-knicks-interview-jeff-hornacek-coaching-vacancy

What I have a concern with is how everyone slides Phils coaching resume over to his executive resume.

Phil has never build a team from scratch, he didn't draft Jordan, or pippen, or kobe, and had a minor role in some of the trades that happen.

He's learning just like everyone does with every new job they take on, so to say I have complete trust in phil as if he's build multiple championship roster, is fools gold. I know he knows what it takes, but that's not the same has knowing how to build it.

Rambis is everyones fall back option, because they trust phil knows what he's doing, but I have to ask, did he know what he was doing when he fired woodson, did he know what he as doing when he hired fisher?

It's not like he's batting .600 since he took the job.

Phil originally wanted Kerr. He clearly wanted Luke, but Luke was able to land his dream job. I think Fish not working out was an unfortunate development, but Phil's logic was good. Get a talented young leader of men and pair him with your top assistants from your Title teams. What is so wrong with that concept? Riley took a young guy in Spoelstra and mentored him.

IN terms of Phil building a team, he's been UP CLOSE and INVOLVED in Title teams for a long time. He's also a very studious basketball man and always has been. He's basing his building of this team on what he knows about what makes the Triangle work and thus he's not really guessing at all.

It's still a very difficult thing to build a winning team in the NBA. Especially when you don't have all of your picks, which has been the case with Phil. He came in with only 1 pick but look at how many picks he ended up with in the last 2 drafts. So yeah Phil has shown he's a capable President. The thing is that he's not finished. Let's see how things go this summer as well. He improved the Frontcourt and now we have to improve the Backcourt. He will have Free Agency, the Draft or UDFA's to look for talent.

No he has noT been UP CLOSE AND INVOLVED IN BUILDING A TITLE CONTEDERS, HE HAS BEEN FULLY INVOLVED IN putting a very good system in place that his roster of hall of famers that were already assembled can take advantage of and be successful.

Don't get it twisted

The 2nd Bulls team and the 2nd Lakers Team had big input from Phil. It's naive to think he wasn't involved when he had a huge voice at those times. People that actually know WTF their talking about have said Phil had input. This isn't like he was just some scrub happy that he even had a job! You need to check yourself cus you sound bitter and ignorant of how things work!!!

don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about as If you were in these meetings

Jackson's break came on Dec. 17, 1988. The Bulls trailed by 14 points when the high-strung Collins was ejected early in the game. Jackson took over in what normally is a placeholder role, tinkered with the team's defense and told the players to just go out and play. Forward Horace Grant later told The New York Times, "It was like we were let out of a cage. We won the game because we were so relaxed -- and we knew that Phil should become a head coach." The following spring the Bulls lost to Detroit in the conference finals. Two months later Collins was out and Jackson was in.

Big changes were quick in coming. First came an emphasis on defense. Jackson unleashed Jordan and Scottie Pippen ("the Dobermans") on opposing teams through relentless presses, traps and double-teams. Then Jackson threw out the isolation plays that had been designed for Jordan and worked Winter on implementing the triple-post or triangle offense, in which constantly moving players have a variety of passing and scoring options at their disposal. It took a while for Jordan to buy into the new scheme, but once he did, the Bulls were unstoppable.

By 1990-91 Jordan's scoring was down to 31.5 points per game, but the Bulls finished the season at 61-21 and brought home the 25-year-old franchise's first title with a five-game spanking of the Lakers in the NBA Finals. In 1991-92 the Bulls repeated as champions, and the following year, despite a spate of injuries and a weakened bench, the Bulls established themselves as one of the league's all-time great teams by taking their third straight title.

After that season Jordan shocked the basketball world by retiring. Against all expectations, Jackson coaxed 55 wins out of his "Air-less" team in 1993-94 and guided the Bulls to the Conference Semifinal. After Jordan rejoined the team in March 1995, the team but on a late run but again was ousted in the Conference Semifinals.

The 1995-96 season may well have been Jackson's finest effort. With Jordan on hand from the start of training camp, and having dedicated himself to once again proving his greatness, the challenge was to fit all the pieces in around him, and Jackson proved up to the task. Pippen settled comfortably back in his role as the team's second star, Longley assumed the pivot role formerly played by Cartwright, Ron Harper emerged as a defensive force and Steve Kerr became the designated three-point shooter. Finally, in what would prove to be a daring coup, the Bulls obtained controversial Dennis Rodman in preseason. Jackson handled Rodman to perfection, blending his talents with the rest of the players and giving him enough personal freedom so he did not feel repressed.

The results were spectacular. Jordan won the scoring title for the eighth time and Rodman won his fifth consecutive rebounding crown. The Bulls roared through the regular season to a 72-10 record, the best in NBA history. In the playoffs they lost just one game in the first three rounds, then raced to a 3-0 lead in the NBA Finals against Seattle before losing a pair of games prior to wrapping up the title in Game 6. Chicago's combined record, for the regular season and playoffs, was 87-13, the best in NBA history.

For an encore, the Bulls came back and won 69 games in 1996-97 to match the second-best mark in league history, and successfully defended their NBA title by beating the Utah Jazz in six games in the 1997 NBA Finals -- the Bulls' fifth Western Conference rival in five trips to the title series. And in 1997-98, the Bulls completed their "repeat three-peat," again beating the Jazz in the NBA Finals.

The amazing trio of Jackson, Jordan and Pippen had accomplished something never done before in NBA history, two separate three-peats. Jordan left the sport at the top of his game, Pippen was traded to Houston and Jackson retired from coaching -- but only for one year.

In 1999-2000 Jackson moved to Los Angeles, sold the Lakers on his offensive and defensive philosophies and spurred O'Neal and Bryant to the best seasons of their careers. The result was an three straight NBA championship, something the great Laker teams of the past had never accomplished before.

He may have had some in put as a coach, but don't mistake his little input as building a dynasty.

There is no articles about phil every having a major impact on BUILDING THE TEAMS/ROSTER HE GUIDED TO ALL THE CHAMPIONSHIPS. he probably had some in put in Rodam and Pau, but that's just 2 players.

And Im no where near bitter or ignorant ( but as usual phil is god to you so anyone opinion of him is ignorant if we can't agree with you)

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:
actually when everyone says the same thing nobody's reputation is at stake. The simple fact is none of the reporters you mentioned have a clue what Phil is leaning towards, what his plan is or what his preference is. So to write something to go with what everyone else is saying because there is nothing better out there.

First we heard Phil isn't meeting anyone because he's already got his mind made up. Then it turns out he's talked to Walton, Blatt, Vogel and Hornicek and those are the only ones that were reported.

Lets actually think logically. If anyone knows Kurt's strengths and shortcomings its Phil. Why do you think he tried for Kerr and then Fisher first instead of just putting his buddy Kurt in there in the first place? Why wouldn't he have already hired Kurt if he thought he was the best choice? Phil could get Shaq and Kobe, two guys who hated each other to play well together night in and night out. Do we really think he couldn't push Dolan into letting him hire Rambis?

Think about it... actually think.

If you think Phil is only here for a money grab to rub the triangle in people's faces than please... just move along. I don't have time for that. But if can actually bring yourself to accept that Phil is into this challenge of turning around a poorly run franchise, of instilling a winning culture, or being part of growing and developing something lets use our brains for one minute. He's looking for the right fit, and he knows Rambis has shortcomings enough where he doesn't want to put his buddy in a position to fail and in turn put himself in a position to fail. It doesn't make sense. Reality.. its not defined by reporters all saying the same thing because none of them has anything to say. The media (all of em) are wrong all the time.

If anything I would believe Phil is desperate NOT to hire Rambis, but has yet to find someone, or come to terms with a fit he trusts to run it how he envisions. Maybe his vision is too rigid, but nothing ruins a franchise faster than a front office and coaching staff not on the same page. Add to that the Fisher failure, and Phil has very little margin for error here.

I wonder who else he's talked to that everyone hasn't reported on???? Crzymdups, you once said you could live with Rambis if Phil at least conducted a real search. Does Walton/Blatt/Vogel/Hornicek count?

Part of me is mostly curious by a Rambis hire, because I want to know what Phil is going to do to mitigate his own doubts. A more hand on training camp? I really wonder.

This is Marc Stein, ESPN's senior reporter writing yesterday... he's just making all this stuff up? I don't think Jackson is here for the money. I think he's done an up and down job and I am very interested in how this coaching search plays out, because it appears that Jackson is not the one with final say anymore. Which gives a clue as to how long he'll be here. I find it interesting. You guys seem to take it as a personal affront. I don't want Phil to leave, I fear what would come next... but... I am INTERESTED in what is going on. Because I don't think it is nearly as cut and dry as you guys make it. Read the bolded below closely - if it's Phil's hire to make... why does it say Jackson is requesting Rambis be given strong consideration? Do you think that phrasing is accidental. It sounds to me like Jackson does not have final say on the Rambis hire or that it has been blocked. I don't know why some of y'all take this so personally. Frankly, it's not about any of you or your opinions. I'm interested in what is happening. Yes it's speculating and reading between the lines to create a narrative... but that's what sports is for a lot of people. I really don't understand the defensiveness that comes up when I suggest a theory as to why every single major NBA writer is writing that Phil wants Rambis and it hasn't happened yet.

Please read. And then you think about it... actually think.

At Jackson's behest, Knicks interim coach Kurt Rambis has been getting strong consideration for the post since the regular season ended. ESPN.com reported last month that former Cleveland Cavaliers coach David Blatt was the ‎first external candidate to emerge as a serious contender for the post, while the New York Daily News first reported Sunday that former Indiana Pacers coach Frank Vogel discussed the job with Jackson last week.

It remains to be seen whether the Knicks will broaden their search, as star forward Carmelo Anthony has openly wished for. But sources say Rambis is, at worst, expected to remain with the club as a lead assistant if Jackson shelves his long-held desire to make Rambis his full-time coach and ultimately hires from the outside.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15564462/new-york-knicks-interview-jeff-hornacek-coaching-vacancy

What I have a concern with is how everyone slides Phils coaching resume over to his executive resume.

Phil has never build a team from scratch, he didn't draft Jordan, or pippen, or kobe, and had a minor role in some of the trades that happen.

He's learning just like everyone does with every new job they take on, so to say I have complete trust in phil as if he's build multiple championship roster, is fools gold. I know he knows what it takes, but that's not the same has knowing how to build it.

Rambis is everyones fall back option, because they trust phil knows what he's doing, but I have to ask, did he know what he was doing when he fired woodson, did he know what he as doing when he hired fisher?

It's not like he's batting .600 since he took the job.

Phil originally wanted Kerr. He clearly wanted Luke, but Luke was able to land his dream job. I think Fish not working out was an unfortunate development, but Phil's logic was good. Get a talented young leader of men and pair him with your top assistants from your Title teams. What is so wrong with that concept? Riley took a young guy in Spoelstra and mentored him.

IN terms of Phil building a team, he's been UP CLOSE and INVOLVED in Title teams for a long time. He's also a very studious basketball man and always has been. He's basing his building of this team on what he knows about what makes the Triangle work and thus he's not really guessing at all.

It's still a very difficult thing to build a winning team in the NBA. Especially when you don't have all of your picks, which has been the case with Phil. He came in with only 1 pick but look at how many picks he ended up with in the last 2 drafts. So yeah Phil has shown he's a capable President. The thing is that he's not finished. Let's see how things go this summer as well. He improved the Frontcourt and now we have to improve the Backcourt. He will have Free Agency, the Draft or UDFA's to look for talent.

No he has noT been UP CLOSE AND INVOLVED IN BUILDING A TITLE CONTEDERS, HE HAS BEEN FULLY INVOLVED IN putting a very good system in place that his roster of hall of famers that were already assembled can take advantage of and be successful.

Don't get it twisted

The 2nd Bulls team and the 2nd Lakers Team had big input from Phil. It's naive to think he wasn't involved when he had a huge voice at those times. People that actually know WTF their talking about have said Phil had input. This isn't like he was just some scrub happy that he even had a job! You need to check yourself cus you sound bitter and ignorant of how things work!!!

don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about as If you were in these meetings

Jackson's break came on Dec. 17, 1988. The Bulls trailed by 14 points when the high-strung Collins was ejected early in the game. Jackson took over in what normally is a placeholder role, tinkered with the team's defense and told the players to just go out and play. Forward Horace Grant later told The New York Times, "It was like we were let out of a cage. We won the game because we were so relaxed -- and we knew that Phil should become a head coach." The following spring the Bulls lost to Detroit in the conference finals. Two months later Collins was out and Jackson was in.

Big changes were quick in coming. First came an emphasis on defense. Jackson unleashed Jordan and Scottie Pippen ("the Dobermans") on opposing teams through relentless presses, traps and double-teams. Then Jackson threw out the isolation plays that had been designed for Jordan and worked Winter on implementing the triple-post or triangle offense, in which constantly moving players have a variety of passing and scoring options at their disposal. It took a while for Jordan to buy into the new scheme, but once he did, the Bulls were unstoppable.

By 1990-91 Jordan's scoring was down to 31.5 points per game, but the Bulls finished the season at 61-21 and brought home the 25-year-old franchise's first title with a five-game spanking of the Lakers in the NBA Finals. In 1991-92 the Bulls repeated as champions, and the following year, despite a spate of injuries and a weakened bench, the Bulls established themselves as one of the league's all-time great teams by taking their third straight title.

After that season Jordan shocked the basketball world by retiring. Against all expectations, Jackson coaxed 55 wins out of his "Air-less" team in 1993-94 and guided the Bulls to the Conference Semifinal. After Jordan rejoined the team in March 1995, the team but on a late run but again was ousted in the Conference Semifinals.

The 1995-96 season may well have been Jackson's finest effort. With Jordan on hand from the start of training camp, and having dedicated himself to once again proving his greatness, the challenge was to fit all the pieces in around him, and Jackson proved up to the task. Pippen settled comfortably back in his role as the team's second star, Longley assumed the pivot role formerly played by Cartwright, Ron Harper emerged as a defensive force and Steve Kerr became the designated three-point shooter. Finally, in what would prove to be a daring coup, the Bulls obtained controversial Dennis Rodman in preseason. Jackson handled Rodman to perfection, blending his talents with the rest of the players and giving him enough personal freedom so he did not feel repressed.

The results were spectacular. Jordan won the scoring title for the eighth time and Rodman won his fifth consecutive rebounding crown. The Bulls roared through the regular season to a 72-10 record, the best in NBA history. In the playoffs they lost just one game in the first three rounds, then raced to a 3-0 lead in the NBA Finals against Seattle before losing a pair of games prior to wrapping up the title in Game 6. Chicago's combined record, for the regular season and playoffs, was 87-13, the best in NBA history.

For an encore, the Bulls came back and won 69 games in 1996-97 to match the second-best mark in league history, and successfully defended their NBA title by beating the Utah Jazz in six games in the 1997 NBA Finals -- the Bulls' fifth Western Conference rival in five trips to the title series. And in 1997-98, the Bulls completed their "repeat three-peat," again beating the Jazz in the NBA Finals.

The amazing trio of Jackson, Jordan and Pippen had accomplished something never done before in NBA history, two separate three-peats. Jordan left the sport at the top of his game, Pippen was traded to Houston and Jackson retired from coaching -- but only for one year.

In 1999-2000 Jackson moved to Los Angeles, sold the Lakers on his offensive and defensive philosophies and spurred O'Neal and Bryant to the best seasons of their careers. The result was an three straight NBA championship, something the great Laker teams of the past had never accomplished before.

No where in this article does it imply that Jackson was instrumental in bringing in any body on the roster, he just focus on coaching the pieces they gave him

He may have had some in put as a coach, but don't mistake his little input as building a dynasty.

There is no articles about phil every having a major impact on BUILDING THE TEAMS/ROSTER HE GUIDED TO ALL THE CHAMPIONSHIPS. he probably had some in put in Rodam and Pau, but that's just 2 players.

And Im no where near bitter or ignorant ( but as usual phil is god to you so anyone opinion of him is ignorant if we can't agree with you)

You know I've got a lot of ammo suggesting that Phil was involved in players his teams brought in but I'm not gonna kill myself reposting all the evidence I've put up in other threads. The point isn't that Phil was somehow an assistant GM but he was involved and ALWAYS was evaluating NBA rosters to see what players would be good in the Triangle. He was helping the Lakers even after he was not coaching. Basically he had been preparing for this role for a long time. When I have the patience iLl create a thread full of proof that I've collected. For now you can enjoy wallowing in ignorance.

All I have to do is look at the roster before Phil got there, and 90% of the roster was set.

I don't know why you can't agree that this is a new role for Jackson and that he's learning. Phil Jackson will always go down as the guy who guided the Lakers and bulls to titles, he will never be known as the guy who built those championship rosters.

He took over from Collins and won championships with damn near the same roster, he took over from Rambis with pretty much the same roster or at least all the major peices where in place. So how about you just be specific and say what player or players he brought in or had a major hand in bring in.

Its one thing to have a philosophy and a culture that you want to incorporated, its another thing to convince FA to sacrifice money to be part of something special in this day and age,especially when it's a work in progress. Players are not as patient, theywanna go to winning situations, and we all saw that last off season.

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:
actually when everyone says the same thing nobody's reputation is at stake. The simple fact is none of the reporters you mentioned have a clue what Phil is leaning towards, what his plan is or what his preference is. So to write something to go with what everyone else is saying because there is nothing better out there.

First we heard Phil isn't meeting anyone because he's already got his mind made up. Then it turns out he's talked to Walton, Blatt, Vogel and Hornicek and those are the only ones that were reported.

Lets actually think logically. If anyone knows Kurt's strengths and shortcomings its Phil. Why do you think he tried for Kerr and then Fisher first instead of just putting his buddy Kurt in there in the first place? Why wouldn't he have already hired Kurt if he thought he was the best choice? Phil could get Shaq and Kobe, two guys who hated each other to play well together night in and night out. Do we really think he couldn't push Dolan into letting him hire Rambis?

Think about it... actually think.

If you think Phil is only here for a money grab to rub the triangle in people's faces than please... just move along. I don't have time for that. But if can actually bring yourself to accept that Phil is into this challenge of turning around a poorly run franchise, of instilling a winning culture, or being part of growing and developing something lets use our brains for one minute. He's looking for the right fit, and he knows Rambis has shortcomings enough where he doesn't want to put his buddy in a position to fail and in turn put himself in a position to fail. It doesn't make sense. Reality.. its not defined by reporters all saying the same thing because none of them has anything to say. The media (all of em) are wrong all the time.

If anything I would believe Phil is desperate NOT to hire Rambis, but has yet to find someone, or come to terms with a fit he trusts to run it how he envisions. Maybe his vision is too rigid, but nothing ruins a franchise faster than a front office and coaching staff not on the same page. Add to that the Fisher failure, and Phil has very little margin for error here.

I wonder who else he's talked to that everyone hasn't reported on???? Crzymdups, you once said you could live with Rambis if Phil at least conducted a real search. Does Walton/Blatt/Vogel/Hornicek count?

Part of me is mostly curious by a Rambis hire, because I want to know what Phil is going to do to mitigate his own doubts. A more hand on training camp? I really wonder.

This is Marc Stein, ESPN's senior reporter writing yesterday... he's just making all this stuff up? I don't think Jackson is here for the money. I think he's done an up and down job and I am very interested in how this coaching search plays out, because it appears that Jackson is not the one with final say anymore. Which gives a clue as to how long he'll be here. I find it interesting. You guys seem to take it as a personal affront. I don't want Phil to leave, I fear what would come next... but... I am INTERESTED in what is going on. Because I don't think it is nearly as cut and dry as you guys make it. Read the bolded below closely - if it's Phil's hire to make... why does it say Jackson is requesting Rambis be given strong consideration? Do you think that phrasing is accidental. It sounds to me like Jackson does not have final say on the Rambis hire or that it has been blocked. I don't know why some of y'all take this so personally. Frankly, it's not about any of you or your opinions. I'm interested in what is happening. Yes it's speculating and reading between the lines to create a narrative... but that's what sports is for a lot of people. I really don't understand the defensiveness that comes up when I suggest a theory as to why every single major NBA writer is writing that Phil wants Rambis and it hasn't happened yet.

Please read. And then you think about it... actually think.

At Jackson's behest, Knicks interim coach Kurt Rambis has been getting strong consideration for the post since the regular season ended. ESPN.com reported last month that former Cleveland Cavaliers coach David Blatt was the ‎first external candidate to emerge as a serious contender for the post, while the New York Daily News first reported Sunday that former Indiana Pacers coach Frank Vogel discussed the job with Jackson last week.

It remains to be seen whether the Knicks will broaden their search, as star forward Carmelo Anthony has openly wished for. But sources say Rambis is, at worst, expected to remain with the club as a lead assistant if Jackson shelves his long-held desire to make Rambis his full-time coach and ultimately hires from the outside.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15564462/new-york-knicks-interview-jeff-hornacek-coaching-vacancy

What I have a concern with is how everyone slides Phils coaching resume over to his executive resume.

Phil has never build a team from scratch, he didn't draft Jordan, or pippen, or kobe, and had a minor role in some of the trades that happen.

He's learning just like everyone does with every new job they take on, so to say I have complete trust in phil as if he's build multiple championship roster, is fools gold. I know he knows what it takes, but that's not the same has knowing how to build it.

Rambis is everyones fall back option, because they trust phil knows what he's doing, but I have to ask, did he know what he was doing when he fired woodson, did he know what he as doing when he hired fisher?

It's not like he's batting .600 since he took the job.

Phil originally wanted Kerr. He clearly wanted Luke, but Luke was able to land his dream job. I think Fish not working out was an unfortunate development, but Phil's logic was good. Get a talented young leader of men and pair him with your top assistants from your Title teams. What is so wrong with that concept? Riley took a young guy in Spoelstra and mentored him.

IN terms of Phil building a team, he's been UP CLOSE and INVOLVED in Title teams for a long time. He's also a very studious basketball man and always has been. He's basing his building of this team on what he knows about what makes the Triangle work and thus he's not really guessing at all.

It's still a very difficult thing to build a winning team in the NBA. Especially when you don't have all of your picks, which has been the case with Phil. He came in with only 1 pick but look at how many picks he ended up with in the last 2 drafts. So yeah Phil has shown he's a capable President. The thing is that he's not finished. Let's see how things go this summer as well. He improved the Frontcourt and now we have to improve the Backcourt. He will have Free Agency, the Draft or UDFA's to look for talent.

No he has noT been UP CLOSE AND INVOLVED IN BUILDING A TITLE CONTEDERS, HE HAS BEEN FULLY INVOLVED IN putting a very good system in place that his roster of hall of famers that were already assembled can take advantage of and be successful.

Don't get it twisted

The 2nd Bulls team and the 2nd Lakers Team had big input from Phil. It's naive to think he wasn't involved when he had a huge voice at those times. People that actually know WTF their talking about have said Phil had input. This isn't like he was just some scrub happy that he even had a job! You need to check yourself cus you sound bitter and ignorant of how things work!!!

don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about as If you were in these meetings

Jackson's break came on Dec. 17, 1988. The Bulls trailed by 14 points when the high-strung Collins was ejected early in the game. Jackson took over in what normally is a placeholder role, tinkered with the team's defense and told the players to just go out and play. Forward Horace Grant later told The New York Times, "It was like we were let out of a cage. We won the game because we were so relaxed -- and we knew that Phil should become a head coach." The following spring the Bulls lost to Detroit in the conference finals. Two months later Collins was out and Jackson was in.

Big changes were quick in coming. First came an emphasis on defense. Jackson unleashed Jordan and Scottie Pippen ("the Dobermans") on opposing teams through relentless presses, traps and double-teams. Then Jackson threw out the isolation plays that had been designed for Jordan and worked Winter on implementing the triple-post or triangle offense, in which constantly moving players have a variety of passing and scoring options at their disposal. It took a while for Jordan to buy into the new scheme, but once he did, the Bulls were unstoppable.

By 1990-91 Jordan's scoring was down to 31.5 points per game, but the Bulls finished the season at 61-21 and brought home the 25-year-old franchise's first title with a five-game spanking of the Lakers in the NBA Finals. In 1991-92 the Bulls repeated as champions, and the following year, despite a spate of injuries and a weakened bench, the Bulls established themselves as one of the league's all-time great teams by taking their third straight title.

After that season Jordan shocked the basketball world by retiring. Against all expectations, Jackson coaxed 55 wins out of his "Air-less" team in 1993-94 and guided the Bulls to the Conference Semifinal. After Jordan rejoined the team in March 1995, the team but on a late run but again was ousted in the Conference Semifinals.

The 1995-96 season may well have been Jackson's finest effort. With Jordan on hand from the start of training camp, and having dedicated himself to once again proving his greatness, the challenge was to fit all the pieces in around him, and Jackson proved up to the task. Pippen settled comfortably back in his role as the team's second star, Longley assumed the pivot role formerly played by Cartwright, Ron Harper emerged as a defensive force and Steve Kerr became the designated three-point shooter. Finally, in what would prove to be a daring coup, the Bulls obtained controversial Dennis Rodman in preseason. Jackson handled Rodman to perfection, blending his talents with the rest of the players and giving him enough personal freedom so he did not feel repressed.

The results were spectacular. Jordan won the scoring title for the eighth time and Rodman won his fifth consecutive rebounding crown. The Bulls roared through the regular season to a 72-10 record, the best in NBA history. In the playoffs they lost just one game in the first three rounds, then raced to a 3-0 lead in the NBA Finals against Seattle before losing a pair of games prior to wrapping up the title in Game 6. Chicago's combined record, for the regular season and playoffs, was 87-13, the best in NBA history.

For an encore, the Bulls came back and won 69 games in 1996-97 to match the second-best mark in league history, and successfully defended their NBA title by beating the Utah Jazz in six games in the 1997 NBA Finals -- the Bulls' fifth Western Conference rival in five trips to the title series. And in 1997-98, the Bulls completed their "repeat three-peat," again beating the Jazz in the NBA Finals.

The amazing trio of Jackson, Jordan and Pippen had accomplished something never done before in NBA history, two separate three-peats. Jordan left the sport at the top of his game, Pippen was traded to Houston and Jackson retired from coaching -- but only for one year.

In 1999-2000 Jackson moved to Los Angeles, sold the Lakers on his offensive and defensive philosophies and spurred O'Neal and Bryant to the best seasons of their careers. The result was an three straight NBA championship, something the great Laker teams of the past had never accomplished before.

No where in this article does it imply that Jackson was instrumental in bringing in any body on the roster, he just focus on coaching the pieces they gave him

He may have had some in put as a coach, but don't mistake his little input as building a dynasty.

There is no articles about phil every having a major impact on BUILDING THE TEAMS/ROSTER HE GUIDED TO ALL THE CHAMPIONSHIPS. he probably had some in put in Rodam and Pau, but that's just 2 players.

And Im no where near bitter or ignorant ( but as usual phil is god to you so anyone opinion of him is ignorant if we can't agree with you)

IF you think Phil didn't have input on taking Rodman your further delusional than anyone thought.
Since you won't read phil's book, I assure he discusses it.
THe article does not mention Krause either. Is that your binding "evidence"?

Coach's have input. Coach's that have rings, have input.

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knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

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fishmike wrote:
actually when everyone says the same thing nobody's reputation is at stake. The simple fact is none of the reporters you mentioned have a clue what Phil is leaning towards, what his plan is or what his preference is. So to write something to go with what everyone else is saying because there is nothing better out there.

First we heard Phil isn't meeting anyone because he's already got his mind made up. Then it turns out he's talked to Walton, Blatt, Vogel and Hornicek and those are the only ones that were reported.

Lets actually think logically. If anyone knows Kurt's strengths and shortcomings its Phil. Why do you think he tried for Kerr and then Fisher first instead of just putting his buddy Kurt in there in the first place? Why wouldn't he have already hired Kurt if he thought he was the best choice? Phil could get Shaq and Kobe, two guys who hated each other to play well together night in and night out. Do we really think he couldn't push Dolan into letting him hire Rambis?

Think about it... actually think.

If you think Phil is only here for a money grab to rub the triangle in people's faces than please... just move along. I don't have time for that. But if can actually bring yourself to accept that Phil is into this challenge of turning around a poorly run franchise, of instilling a winning culture, or being part of growing and developing something lets use our brains for one minute. He's looking for the right fit, and he knows Rambis has shortcomings enough where he doesn't want to put his buddy in a position to fail and in turn put himself in a position to fail. It doesn't make sense. Reality.. its not defined by reporters all saying the same thing because none of them has anything to say. The media (all of em) are wrong all the time.

If anything I would believe Phil is desperate NOT to hire Rambis, but has yet to find someone, or come to terms with a fit he trusts to run it how he envisions. Maybe his vision is too rigid, but nothing ruins a franchise faster than a front office and coaching staff not on the same page. Add to that the Fisher failure, and Phil has very little margin for error here.

I wonder who else he's talked to that everyone hasn't reported on???? Crzymdups, you once said you could live with Rambis if Phil at least conducted a real search. Does Walton/Blatt/Vogel/Hornicek count?

Part of me is mostly curious by a Rambis hire, because I want to know what Phil is going to do to mitigate his own doubts. A more hand on training camp? I really wonder.

This is Marc Stein, ESPN's senior reporter writing yesterday... he's just making all this stuff up? I don't think Jackson is here for the money. I think he's done an up and down job and I am very interested in how this coaching search plays out, because it appears that Jackson is not the one with final say anymore. Which gives a clue as to how long he'll be here. I find it interesting. You guys seem to take it as a personal affront. I don't want Phil to leave, I fear what would come next... but... I am INTERESTED in what is going on. Because I don't think it is nearly as cut and dry as you guys make it. Read the bolded below closely - if it's Phil's hire to make... why does it say Jackson is requesting Rambis be given strong consideration? Do you think that phrasing is accidental. It sounds to me like Jackson does not have final say on the Rambis hire or that it has been blocked. I don't know why some of y'all take this so personally. Frankly, it's not about any of you or your opinions. I'm interested in what is happening. Yes it's speculating and reading between the lines to create a narrative... but that's what sports is for a lot of people. I really don't understand the defensiveness that comes up when I suggest a theory as to why every single major NBA writer is writing that Phil wants Rambis and it hasn't happened yet.

Please read. And then you think about it... actually think.

At Jackson's behest, Knicks interim coach Kurt Rambis has been getting strong consideration for the post since the regular season ended. ESPN.com reported last month that former Cleveland Cavaliers coach David Blatt was the ‎first external candidate to emerge as a serious contender for the post, while the New York Daily News first reported Sunday that former Indiana Pacers coach Frank Vogel discussed the job with Jackson last week.

It remains to be seen whether the Knicks will broaden their search, as star forward Carmelo Anthony has openly wished for. But sources say Rambis is, at worst, expected to remain with the club as a lead assistant if Jackson shelves his long-held desire to make Rambis his full-time coach and ultimately hires from the outside.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15564462/new-york-knicks-interview-jeff-hornacek-coaching-vacancy

What I have a concern with is how everyone slides Phils coaching resume over to his executive resume.

Phil has never build a team from scratch, he didn't draft Jordan, or pippen, or kobe, and had a minor role in some of the trades that happen.

He's learning just like everyone does with every new job they take on, so to say I have complete trust in phil as if he's build multiple championship roster, is fools gold. I know he knows what it takes, but that's not the same has knowing how to build it.

Rambis is everyones fall back option, because they trust phil knows what he's doing, but I have to ask, did he know what he was doing when he fired woodson, did he know what he as doing when he hired fisher?

It's not like he's batting .600 since he took the job.

Phil originally wanted Kerr. He clearly wanted Luke, but Luke was able to land his dream job. I think Fish not working out was an unfortunate development, but Phil's logic was good. Get a talented young leader of men and pair him with your top assistants from your Title teams. What is so wrong with that concept? Riley took a young guy in Spoelstra and mentored him.

IN terms of Phil building a team, he's been UP CLOSE and INVOLVED in Title teams for a long time. He's also a very studious basketball man and always has been. He's basing his building of this team on what he knows about what makes the Triangle work and thus he's not really guessing at all.

It's still a very difficult thing to build a winning team in the NBA. Especially when you don't have all of your picks, which has been the case with Phil. He came in with only 1 pick but look at how many picks he ended up with in the last 2 drafts. So yeah Phil has shown he's a capable President. The thing is that he's not finished. Let's see how things go this summer as well. He improved the Frontcourt and now we have to improve the Backcourt. He will have Free Agency, the Draft or UDFA's to look for talent.

No he has noT been UP CLOSE AND INVOLVED IN BUILDING A TITLE CONTEDERS, HE HAS BEEN FULLY INVOLVED IN putting a very good system in place that his roster of hall of famers that were already assembled can take advantage of and be successful.

Don't get it twisted

The 2nd Bulls team and the 2nd Lakers Team had big input from Phil. It's naive to think he wasn't involved when he had a huge voice at those times. People that actually know WTF their talking about have said Phil had input. This isn't like he was just some scrub happy that he even had a job! You need to check yourself cus you sound bitter and ignorant of how things work!!!

don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about as If you were in these meetings

Jackson's break came on Dec. 17, 1988. The Bulls trailed by 14 points when the high-strung Collins was ejected early in the game. Jackson took over in what normally is a placeholder role, tinkered with the team's defense and told the players to just go out and play. Forward Horace Grant later told The New York Times, "It was like we were let out of a cage. We won the game because we were so relaxed -- and we knew that Phil should become a head coach." The following spring the Bulls lost to Detroit in the conference finals. Two months later Collins was out and Jackson was in.

Big changes were quick in coming. First came an emphasis on defense. Jackson unleashed Jordan and Scottie Pippen ("the Dobermans") on opposing teams through relentless presses, traps and double-teams. Then Jackson threw out the isolation plays that had been designed for Jordan and worked Winter on implementing the triple-post or triangle offense, in which constantly moving players have a variety of passing and scoring options at their disposal. It took a while for Jordan to buy into the new scheme, but once he did, the Bulls were unstoppable.

By 1990-91 Jordan's scoring was down to 31.5 points per game, but the Bulls finished the season at 61-21 and brought home the 25-year-old franchise's first title with a five-game spanking of the Lakers in the NBA Finals. In 1991-92 the Bulls repeated as champions, and the following year, despite a spate of injuries and a weakened bench, the Bulls established themselves as one of the league's all-time great teams by taking their third straight title.

After that season Jordan shocked the basketball world by retiring. Against all expectations, Jackson coaxed 55 wins out of his "Air-less" team in 1993-94 and guided the Bulls to the Conference Semifinal. After Jordan rejoined the team in March 1995, the team but on a late run but again was ousted in the Conference Semifinals.

The 1995-96 season may well have been Jackson's finest effort. With Jordan on hand from the start of training camp, and having dedicated himself to once again proving his greatness, the challenge was to fit all the pieces in around him, and Jackson proved up to the task. Pippen settled comfortably back in his role as the team's second star, Longley assumed the pivot role formerly played by Cartwright, Ron Harper emerged as a defensive force and Steve Kerr became the designated three-point shooter. Finally, in what would prove to be a daring coup, the Bulls obtained controversial Dennis Rodman in preseason. Jackson handled Rodman to perfection, blending his talents with the rest of the players and giving him enough personal freedom so he did not feel repressed.

The results were spectacular. Jordan won the scoring title for the eighth time and Rodman won his fifth consecutive rebounding crown. The Bulls roared through the regular season to a 72-10 record, the best in NBA history. In the playoffs they lost just one game in the first three rounds, then raced to a 3-0 lead in the NBA Finals against Seattle before losing a pair of games prior to wrapping up the title in Game 6. Chicago's combined record, for the regular season and playoffs, was 87-13, the best in NBA history.

For an encore, the Bulls came back and won 69 games in 1996-97 to match the second-best mark in league history, and successfully defended their NBA title by beating the Utah Jazz in six games in the 1997 NBA Finals -- the Bulls' fifth Western Conference rival in five trips to the title series. And in 1997-98, the Bulls completed their "repeat three-peat," again beating the Jazz in the NBA Finals.

The amazing trio of Jackson, Jordan and Pippen had accomplished something never done before in NBA history, two separate three-peats. Jordan left the sport at the top of his game, Pippen was traded to Houston and Jackson retired from coaching -- but only for one year.

In 1999-2000 Jackson moved to Los Angeles, sold the Lakers on his offensive and defensive philosophies and spurred O'Neal and Bryant to the best seasons of their careers. The result was an three straight NBA championship, something the great Laker teams of the past had never accomplished before.

No where in this article does it imply that Jackson was instrumental in bringing in any body on the roster, he just focus on coaching the pieces they gave him

He may have had some in put as a coach, but don't mistake his little input as building a dynasty.

There is no articles about phil every having a major impact on BUILDING THE TEAMS/ROSTER HE GUIDED TO ALL THE CHAMPIONSHIPS. he probably had some in put in Rodam and Pau, but that's just 2 players.

And Im no where near bitter or ignorant ( but as usual phil is god to you so anyone opinion of him is ignorant if we can't agree with you)

You know I've got a lot of ammo suggesting that Phil was involved in players his teams brought in but I'm not gonna kill myself reposting all the evidence I've put up in other threads. The point isn't that Phil was somehow an assistant GM but he was involved and ALWAYS was evaluating NBA rosters to see what players would be good in the Triangle. He was helping the Lakers even after he was not coaching. Basically he had been preparing for this role for a long time. When I have the patience iLl create a thread full of proof that I've collected. For now you can enjoy wallowing in ignorance.

Nix: I get it, you're a die hard Knicks fan who sees the positive in everything but do you ever wonder why people argue with you all the time? Perhaps it's because of posts like these where you call other posters ignorant because they have a difference of opinion. You always speak as if you are the omnipresent narrator of a story where you know what Phil is and was thinking now and in the past, what he thought and what he did behind closed doors 10-20 years ago, his motives and his thought process and everything else down the line. You absolutely never, EVER, concede a point nor even slightly acknowledge that a differing point of view or argument has any merit whatsoever and you defend each and every move Phil makes no matter what.

Anyone who doesn't agree or come around to your opinion is then labeled a self hating Knicks fan or a miserable a-hole or something. Like, I'm sure you'll label me after this post. I don't even know why I try and discuss any of this with you because you'll never, ever concede that Phil is capable of being wrong.

By the way and for the record. I've been rooting and hoping for Phil to turn this franchise around and hope to high heavens he does succeed in doing that. I love that he stopped the trend of huge dumb contracts to aging stars or hobbled stars and he actually acquires draft picks instead of trading them. I love love love those changes and I also love that Dolan for now at least is out of the picture. Obviously, I love the Porzingis pick too. I even defended the Tyson trade at some point.

What makes me very nervous however and I've said this a million times, is that Phil is on record even _thinking_ of hiring Rambis who has had ample time to prove he is a capable NBA head coach and has utterly failed in his 300+ game sample. That Phil is so wedded to ideology that he even thinks about hiring him full time even AFTER Rambis got zilch out of the roster in the final 20 odd games makes me extremely nervous. It makes me nervous he is 1000% wedded to "the triangle" and does not countenance any other possible styles. Ideologues always make me nervous, in any venue. I feel like it can cause myopia and hamstring good decision making. Sorry. I get the counter arguments that he is building a culture, etc etc. and I know he hasn't yet hired a coach. But even having Rambis as a candidate worries me, a lot. Just my opinion.

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nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:
actually when everyone says the same thing nobody's reputation is at stake. The simple fact is none of the reporters you mentioned have a clue what Phil is leaning towards, what his plan is or what his preference is. So to write something to go with what everyone else is saying because there is nothing better out there.

First we heard Phil isn't meeting anyone because he's already got his mind made up. Then it turns out he's talked to Walton, Blatt, Vogel and Hornicek and those are the only ones that were reported.

Lets actually think logically. If anyone knows Kurt's strengths and shortcomings its Phil. Why do you think he tried for Kerr and then Fisher first instead of just putting his buddy Kurt in there in the first place? Why wouldn't he have already hired Kurt if he thought he was the best choice? Phil could get Shaq and Kobe, two guys who hated each other to play well together night in and night out. Do we really think he couldn't push Dolan into letting him hire Rambis?

Think about it... actually think.

If you think Phil is only here for a money grab to rub the triangle in people's faces than please... just move along. I don't have time for that. But if can actually bring yourself to accept that Phil is into this challenge of turning around a poorly run franchise, of instilling a winning culture, or being part of growing and developing something lets use our brains for one minute. He's looking for the right fit, and he knows Rambis has shortcomings enough where he doesn't want to put his buddy in a position to fail and in turn put himself in a position to fail. It doesn't make sense. Reality.. its not defined by reporters all saying the same thing because none of them has anything to say. The media (all of em) are wrong all the time.

If anything I would believe Phil is desperate NOT to hire Rambis, but has yet to find someone, or come to terms with a fit he trusts to run it how he envisions. Maybe his vision is too rigid, but nothing ruins a franchise faster than a front office and coaching staff not on the same page. Add to that the Fisher failure, and Phil has very little margin for error here.

I wonder who else he's talked to that everyone hasn't reported on???? Crzymdups, you once said you could live with Rambis if Phil at least conducted a real search. Does Walton/Blatt/Vogel/Hornicek count?

Part of me is mostly curious by a Rambis hire, because I want to know what Phil is going to do to mitigate his own doubts. A more hand on training camp? I really wonder.

This is Marc Stein, ESPN's senior reporter writing yesterday... he's just making all this stuff up? I don't think Jackson is here for the money. I think he's done an up and down job and I am very interested in how this coaching search plays out, because it appears that Jackson is not the one with final say anymore. Which gives a clue as to how long he'll be here. I find it interesting. You guys seem to take it as a personal affront. I don't want Phil to leave, I fear what would come next... but... I am INTERESTED in what is going on. Because I don't think it is nearly as cut and dry as you guys make it. Read the bolded below closely - if it's Phil's hire to make... why does it say Jackson is requesting Rambis be given strong consideration? Do you think that phrasing is accidental. It sounds to me like Jackson does not have final say on the Rambis hire or that it has been blocked. I don't know why some of y'all take this so personally. Frankly, it's not about any of you or your opinions. I'm interested in what is happening. Yes it's speculating and reading between the lines to create a narrative... but that's what sports is for a lot of people. I really don't understand the defensiveness that comes up when I suggest a theory as to why every single major NBA writer is writing that Phil wants Rambis and it hasn't happened yet.

Please read. And then you think about it... actually think.

At Jackson's behest, Knicks interim coach Kurt Rambis has been getting strong consideration for the post since the regular season ended. ESPN.com reported last month that former Cleveland Cavaliers coach David Blatt was the ‎first external candidate to emerge as a serious contender for the post, while the New York Daily News first reported Sunday that former Indiana Pacers coach Frank Vogel discussed the job with Jackson last week.

It remains to be seen whether the Knicks will broaden their search, as star forward Carmelo Anthony has openly wished for. But sources say Rambis is, at worst, expected to remain with the club as a lead assistant if Jackson shelves his long-held desire to make Rambis his full-time coach and ultimately hires from the outside.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15564462/new-york-knicks-interview-jeff-hornacek-coaching-vacancy

What I have a concern with is how everyone slides Phils coaching resume over to his executive resume.

Phil has never build a team from scratch, he didn't draft Jordan, or pippen, or kobe, and had a minor role in some of the trades that happen.

He's learning just like everyone does with every new job they take on, so to say I have complete trust in phil as if he's build multiple championship roster, is fools gold. I know he knows what it takes, but that's not the same has knowing how to build it.

Rambis is everyones fall back option, because they trust phil knows what he's doing, but I have to ask, did he know what he was doing when he fired woodson, did he know what he as doing when he hired fisher?

It's not like he's batting .600 since he took the job.

Phil originally wanted Kerr. He clearly wanted Luke, but Luke was able to land his dream job. I think Fish not working out was an unfortunate development, but Phil's logic was good. Get a talented young leader of men and pair him with your top assistants from your Title teams. What is so wrong with that concept? Riley took a young guy in Spoelstra and mentored him.

IN terms of Phil building a team, he's been UP CLOSE and INVOLVED in Title teams for a long time. He's also a very studious basketball man and always has been. He's basing his building of this team on what he knows about what makes the Triangle work and thus he's not really guessing at all.

It's still a very difficult thing to build a winning team in the NBA. Especially when you don't have all of your picks, which has been the case with Phil. He came in with only 1 pick but look at how many picks he ended up with in the last 2 drafts. So yeah Phil has shown he's a capable President. The thing is that he's not finished. Let's see how things go this summer as well. He improved the Frontcourt and now we have to improve the Backcourt. He will have Free Agency, the Draft or UDFA's to look for talent.

No he has noT been UP CLOSE AND INVOLVED IN BUILDING A TITLE CONTEDERS, HE HAS BEEN FULLY INVOLVED IN putting a very good system in place that his roster of hall of famers that were already assembled can take advantage of and be successful.

Don't get it twisted

The 2nd Bulls team and the 2nd Lakers Team had big input from Phil. It's naive to think he wasn't involved when he had a huge voice at those times. People that actually know WTF their talking about have said Phil had input. This isn't like he was just some scrub happy that he even had a job! You need to check yourself cus you sound bitter and ignorant of how things work!!!

don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about as If you were in these meetings

Jackson's break came on Dec. 17, 1988. The Bulls trailed by 14 points when the high-strung Collins was ejected early in the game. Jackson took over in what normally is a placeholder role, tinkered with the team's defense and told the players to just go out and play. Forward Horace Grant later told The New York Times, "It was like we were let out of a cage. We won the game because we were so relaxed -- and we knew that Phil should become a head coach." The following spring the Bulls lost to Detroit in the conference finals. Two months later Collins was out and Jackson was in.

Big changes were quick in coming. First came an emphasis on defense. Jackson unleashed Jordan and Scottie Pippen ("the Dobermans") on opposing teams through relentless presses, traps and double-teams. Then Jackson threw out the isolation plays that had been designed for Jordan and worked Winter on implementing the triple-post or triangle offense, in which constantly moving players have a variety of passing and scoring options at their disposal. It took a while for Jordan to buy into the new scheme, but once he did, the Bulls were unstoppable.

By 1990-91 Jordan's scoring was down to 31.5 points per game, but the Bulls finished the season at 61-21 and brought home the 25-year-old franchise's first title with a five-game spanking of the Lakers in the NBA Finals. In 1991-92 the Bulls repeated as champions, and the following year, despite a spate of injuries and a weakened bench, the Bulls established themselves as one of the league's all-time great teams by taking their third straight title.

After that season Jordan shocked the basketball world by retiring. Against all expectations, Jackson coaxed 55 wins out of his "Air-less" team in 1993-94 and guided the Bulls to the Conference Semifinal. After Jordan rejoined the team in March 1995, the team but on a late run but again was ousted in the Conference Semifinals.

The 1995-96 season may well have been Jackson's finest effort. With Jordan on hand from the start of training camp, and having dedicated himself to once again proving his greatness, the challenge was to fit all the pieces in around him, and Jackson proved up to the task. Pippen settled comfortably back in his role as the team's second star, Longley assumed the pivot role formerly played by Cartwright, Ron Harper emerged as a defensive force and Steve Kerr became the designated three-point shooter. Finally, in what would prove to be a daring coup, the Bulls obtained controversial Dennis Rodman in preseason. Jackson handled Rodman to perfection, blending his talents with the rest of the players and giving him enough personal freedom so he did not feel repressed.

The results were spectacular. Jordan won the scoring title for the eighth time and Rodman won his fifth consecutive rebounding crown. The Bulls roared through the regular season to a 72-10 record, the best in NBA history. In the playoffs they lost just one game in the first three rounds, then raced to a 3-0 lead in the NBA Finals against Seattle before losing a pair of games prior to wrapping up the title in Game 6. Chicago's combined record, for the regular season and playoffs, was 87-13, the best in NBA history.

For an encore, the Bulls came back and won 69 games in 1996-97 to match the second-best mark in league history, and successfully defended their NBA title by beating the Utah Jazz in six games in the 1997 NBA Finals -- the Bulls' fifth Western Conference rival in five trips to the title series. And in 1997-98, the Bulls completed their "repeat three-peat," again beating the Jazz in the NBA Finals.

The amazing trio of Jackson, Jordan and Pippen had accomplished something never done before in NBA history, two separate three-peats. Jordan left the sport at the top of his game, Pippen was traded to Houston and Jackson retired from coaching -- but only for one year.

In 1999-2000 Jackson moved to Los Angeles, sold the Lakers on his offensive and defensive philosophies and spurred O'Neal and Bryant to the best seasons of their careers. The result was an three straight NBA championship, something the great Laker teams of the past had never accomplished before.

No where in this article does it imply that Jackson was instrumental in bringing in any body on the roster, he just focus on coaching the pieces they gave him

He may have had some in put as a coach, but don't mistake his little input as building a dynasty.

There is no articles about phil every having a major impact on BUILDING THE TEAMS/ROSTER HE GUIDED TO ALL THE CHAMPIONSHIPS. he probably had some in put in Rodam and Pau, but that's just 2 players.

And Im no where near bitter or ignorant ( but as usual phil is god to you so anyone opinion of him is ignorant if we can't agree with you)

You know I've got a lot of ammo suggesting that Phil was involved in players his teams brought in but I'm not gonna kill myself reposting all the evidence I've put up in other threads. The point isn't that Phil was somehow an assistant GM but he was involved and ALWAYS was evaluating NBA rosters to see what players would be good in the Triangle. He was helping the Lakers even after he was not coaching. Basically he had been preparing for this role for a long time. When I have the patience iLl create a thread full of proof that I've collected. For now you can enjoy wallowing in ignorance.

Nix: I get it, you're a die hard Knicks fan who sees the positive in everything but do you ever wonder why people argue with you all the time? Perhaps it's because of posts like these where you call other posters ignorant because they have a difference of opinion. You always speak as if you are the omnipresent narrator of a story where you know what Phil is and was thinking now and in the past, what he thought and what he did behind closed doors 10-20 years ago, his motives and his thought process and everything else down the line. You absolutely never, EVER, concede a point nor even slightly acknowledge that a differing point of view or argument has any merit whatsoever and you defend each and every move Phil makes no matter what.

Anyone who doesn't agree or come around to your opinion is then labeled a self hating Knicks fan or a miserable a-hole or something. Like, I'm sure you'll label me after this post. I don't even know why I try and discuss any of this with you because you'll never, ever concede that Phil is capable of being wrong.

By the way and for the record. I've been rooting and hoping for Phil to turn this franchise around and hope to high heavens he does succeed in doing that. I love that he stopped the trend of huge dumb contracts to aging stars or hobbled stars and he actually acquires draft picks instead of trading them. I love love love those changes and I also love that Dolan for now at least is out of the picture. Obviously, I love the Porzingis pick too. I even defended the Tyson trade at some point.

What makes me very nervous however and I've said this a million times, is that Phil is on record even _thinking_ of hiring Rambis who has had ample time to prove he is a capable NBA head coach and has utterly failed in his 300+ game sample. That Phil is so wedded to ideology that he even thinks about hiring him full time even AFTER Rambis got zilch out of the roster in the final 20 odd games makes me extremely nervous. It makes me nervous he is 1000% wedded to "the triangle" and does not countenance any other possible styles. Ideologues always make me nervous, in any venue. I feel like it can cause myopia and hamstring good decision making. Sorry. I get the counter arguments that he is building a culture, etc etc. and I know he hasn't yet hired a coach. But even having Rambis as a candidate worries me, a lot. Just my opinion.

No first time GM or Prez is gonna have all the answers and be perfect. However Phil has been involved and learning from GM's for decades. He's always been a very studious man when it comes to basketball.

When Krause embarked on a 1985 plan to build a cast around Michael Jordan, one of his first calls was to Jackson, who was coaching in the basketball bushes, the Continental Basketball Association, in Albany.

A scout at heart (in basketball and baseball), Krause asked Jackson — whom he had followed as a player at North Dakota and throughout his years with the Knicks — if there was anyone in the C.B.A. who might be of use to him.

“He sent me detailed reports, well written, really comprehensive, and I thought, O.K., let’s just store this away in the back of my mind,” Krause said.

This kind of evaluation of talent has ALWAYS been something Phil had. He may not have been a GM but he clearly had the raw talent to one day become a GM. If people think Phil didn't learn anything from his time with Jerry Krause or Jerry West or Kupchak they're fooling themselves. Phil often fought with all of them as a coach but he still was able to see how they did things up close and you should be able to learn some things over that many years.

Indeed, Jackson spoke at length about the rebuilding task facing the Knicks, with whom he signed a five-year contract to run basketball operations.

Jackson said Carmelo Anthony, who can opt out of his contract this summer to enter free agency, is in the team’s plans. That could make the Bulls’ slim chance to land the elite scorer even slimmer.

“As a coach (in Chicago), I was very tied to personnel,” Jackson said at his New York news conference. “One of the things Jerry Krause encouraged me to do was to speak my piece. I really went after Bill Cartwright when he was with the New York Knicks, and we traded (Charles) Oakley for Cartwright. That became the ability for us to move forward toward championships in Chicago.”

Jackson, 68, said he would use Krause as an example as he moves from a Hall of Fame coaching career to executive for the first time. Krause hired Jackson from obscurity in the Continental Basketball Association in October 1987 to serve as Doug Collins’ assistant coach and eventually replaced Collins with Jackson in July 1989.

“Jerry Krause, his attitude toward doing this job that I’m charged with doing is the map for me going forward,” Jackson said. “He was very thorough, very comfortable and very committed to finding out information about players that would help create teams that could win.”

Told of this comment, Krause praised Jackson’s ability to get stars to buy into a team concept.

“He handles stars better than anyone,” Krause said. “He’s got a good defensive mind and wonderful people skills with players.”

Will those work on Anthony?

“I don’t know Carmelo,” Krause said. “If he’s serious about winning, Phil will be able to get to him. The triangle (offense) is great for stars.”

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15601172/orlando-magic-upbeat-luring-frank-vogel-coach

How Phil didn't have simpatico with this man who broke down thousands of hours of Phil's game tape during the Laker dynasty is truly unfukingbelievable.