callmened wrote:bazemore = 12-14mill
- 3&D player
- athletic wing
- great in fast break

Crabbe = 10-12 mill
- spot up shooter
- average/above average defender

keep in mind, do EITHER of these guys wanna come to the knicks?

I can't see Crabbe leaving Portland. That's a great young team and he has a very good role there and seems to like his teammates.

He's a great young talent, but I can't see Portland letting him walk. Or really him wanting to leave.

Bazemore has already said he wouldn't take more money to go to a crappy team and he specifically referenced "taking a max deal to play for a 17-win team" seeming to take a potshot at Melo. I doubt he wants to come here, either.

Both are great talents, but we may have to realize that we aren't getting these guys. It's better to develop our own anyway, rather than overpay them. They're good pieces, but once you overpay them it makes it harder to do other things.

crzymdups wrote:

callmened wrote:bazemore = 12-14mill
- 3&D player
- athletic wing
- great in fast break

Crabbe = 10-12 mill
- spot up shooter
- average/above average defender

keep in mind, do EITHER of these guys wanna come to the knicks?

I can't see Crabbe leaving Portland. That's a great young team and he has a very good role there and seems to like his teammates.

He's a great young talent, but I can't see Portland letting him walk. Or really him wanting to leave.

Bazemore has already said he wouldn't take more money to go to a crappy team and he specifically referenced "taking a max deal to play for a 17-win team" seeming to take a potshot at Melo. I doubt he wants to come here, either.

Both are great talents, but we may have to realize that we aren't getting these guys. It's better to develop our own anyway, rather than overpay them. They're good pieces, but once you overpay them it makes it harder to do other things.

YEAH RIGHT! Players say a lot of things until they get to Free Agency and the Agents get in their ears and break it down to them. This would be both players 1st BIG contract and you don't pass that up. If you really think that a young player is gonna pass on his chance to finally make big money you're insane. That talk will quiet down this summer. Besides the Knicks aren't a 17 win team anymore and a good Agent will convince his client that he would make any team better. Don't underestimate the influence of Agents in all this.

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

callmened wrote:bazemore = 12-14mill
- 3&D player
- athletic wing
- great in fast break

Crabbe = 10-12 mill
- spot up shooter
- average/above average defender

keep in mind, do EITHER of these guys wanna come to the knicks?

I can't see Crabbe leaving Portland. That's a great young team and he has a very good role there and seems to like his teammates.

He's a great young talent, but I can't see Portland letting him walk. Or really him wanting to leave.

Bazemore has already said he wouldn't take more money to go to a crappy team and he specifically referenced "taking a max deal to play for a 17-win team" seeming to take a potshot at Melo. I doubt he wants to come here, either.

Both are great talents, but we may have to realize that we aren't getting these guys. It's better to develop our own anyway, rather than overpay them. They're good pieces, but once you overpay them it makes it harder to do other things.

YEAH RIGHT! Players say a lot of things until they get to Free Agency and the Agents get in their ears and break it down to them. This would be both players 1st BIG contract and you don't pass that up. If you really think that a young player is gonna pass on his chance to finally make big money you're insane. That talk will quiet down this summer. Besides the Knicks aren't a 17 win team anymore and a good Agent will convince his client that he would make any team better. Don't underestimate the influence of Agents in all this.

Bazemore's Jab at the knicks and the time he looked like he wanted to fight KP because KP wasn't intimidated by him are two other reasons besides cost why I prefer Crabbe to Bazemore.

I think Evan Fournier might want out of Orlando post-Skiles and I wonder if they're less inclined to match him. Though last summer they didn't want Tobias and signed him anyway.

crzymdups wrote:I still like Courtney Lee as a potential SG.

I think Evan Fournier might want out of Orlando post-Skiles and I wonder if they're less inclined to match him. Though last summer they didn't want Tobias and signed him anyway.

Lee is a much ****ttier version of what we have in Affalo and hes 31--were not getting fournier --not happening unless we are stone cold out of our minds. I like Crabbe if we can do it---Portland probably will match anyway--but 14mm per year will make them think about it.

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I still like Courtney Lee as a potential SG.

I think Evan Fournier might want out of Orlando post-Skiles and I wonder if they're less inclined to match him. Though last summer they didn't want Tobias and signed him anyway.

Lee is a much ****ttier version of what we have in Affalo and hes 31--were not getting fournier --not happening unless we are stone cold out of our minds. I like Crabbe if we can do it---Portland probably will match anyway--but 14mm per year will make them think about it.

I honestly think Portland is more likely to match on Crabbe than Orlando on Fournier.

yellowboy90 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I still like Courtney Lee as a potential SG.

I think Evan Fournier might want out of Orlando post-Skiles and I wonder if they're less inclined to match him. Though last summer they didn't want Tobias and signed him anyway.

Lee is a much ****ttier version of what we have in Affalo and hes 31--were not getting fournier --not happening unless we are stone cold out of our minds. I like Crabbe if we can do it---Portland probably will match anyway--but 14mm per year will make them think about it.

I honestly think Portland is more likely to match on Crabbe than Orlando on Fournier.

The sad/scary thing is that one or both players could be had but instead Phil goes after Evan Turner.

I think it is extremely tought to get an RFA from another team, especially when they likely have cap room. Orlando and Portland both have plenty of cap space. And Crabbe is a major rotational piece to their playoffs team that just played the Warriors very very well. I'd be shocked if Crabbe weren't matched by Portland.

martin wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I still like Courtney Lee as a potential SG.

I think Evan Fournier might want out of Orlando post-Skiles and I wonder if they're less inclined to match him. Though last summer they didn't want Tobias and signed him anyway.

Lee is a much ****ttier version of what we have in Affalo and hes 31--were not getting fournier --not happening unless we are stone cold out of our minds. I like Crabbe if we can do it---Portland probably will match anyway--but 14mm per year will make them think about it.

I honestly think Portland is more likely to match on Crabbe than Orlando on Fournier.

The sad/scary thing is that one or both players could be had but instead Phil goes after Evan Turner.

you just made up something out of thin air and then accused Phil of doing wrong. Out of nothing. The pessimism is truly awful

I just presented a scenario that may or may not happen but is plausible with the way people think Evan Turner is a Phil type guard.

martin wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

martin wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I still like Courtney Lee as a potential SG.

I think Evan Fournier might want out of Orlando post-Skiles and I wonder if they're less inclined to match him. Though last summer they didn't want Tobias and signed him anyway.

Lee is a much ****ttier version of what we have in Affalo and hes 31--were not getting fournier --not happening unless we are stone cold out of our minds. I like Crabbe if we can do it---Portland probably will match anyway--but 14mm per year will make them think about it.

I honestly think Portland is more likely to match on Crabbe than Orlando on Fournier.

The sad/scary thing is that one or both players could be had but instead Phil goes after Evan Turner.

you just made up something out of thin air and then accused Phil of doing wrong. Out of nothing. The pessimism is truly awful

Different situation but Cory Joseph did become available last year and the knicks went with AA. So yes I am concerned about Phil and his FA picks. Yes he got Lopez but his first choice was Monroe. It worked out in the end though.

I just presented a scenario that may or may not happen but is plausible with the way people think Evan Turner is a Phil type guard.

NY did not lose out on Cory Joseph, he wanted his home town. Knicks just drafted Grant and already had Jose, they didn't need another PG, AA was better short term.

And NY's first choices were Aldridge and DeAndre, not Monroe.

They did not even get in the race. You offer him slightly more money than Toronto and the starting job and see what happens. Just being a starter might have done it. Already having Calderon should never be a deciding factor. Also, Toronto drafted a pg in the 1st rd too. Joseph would have helped short term and gave them another young player on a great contract. Phil dropped the ball.

With Joseph defense you could have played a 2 pg system sliding Calderon to the 2 if you did not cut him. If you did cut Calderon you could have still could have got AA if you sacrificed using the exception on KS. You use the exception on Lou/Thomas since they wanted to give them an atta boy raise. Now you save the 3.1m of cap space to use with the $4m+ you got from stretching Jose.

crzymdups wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I still like Courtney Lee as a potential SG.

I think Evan Fournier might want out of Orlando post-Skiles and I wonder if they're less inclined to match him. Though last summer they didn't want Tobias and signed him anyway.

Lee is a much ****ttier version of what we have in Affalo and hes 31--were not getting fournier --not happening unless we are stone cold out of our minds. I like Crabbe if we can do it---Portland probably will match anyway--but 14mm per year will make them think about it.

I honestly think Portland is more likely to match on Crabbe than Orlando on Fournier.

The sad/scary thing is that one or both players could be had but instead Phil goes after Evan Turner.

I think it is extremely tought to get an RFA from another team, especially when they likely have cap room. Orlando and Portland both have plenty of cap space. And Crabbe is a major rotational piece to their playoffs team that just played the Warriors very very well. I'd be shocked if Crabbe weren't matched by Portland.

yellowboy90 wrote:

martin wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

martin wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I still like Courtney Lee as a potential SG.

I think Evan Fournier might want out of Orlando post-Skiles and I wonder if they're less inclined to match him. Though last summer they didn't want Tobias and signed him anyway.

Lee is a much ****ttier version of what we have in Affalo and hes 31--were not getting fournier --not happening unless we are stone cold out of our minds. I like Crabbe if we can do it---Portland probably will match anyway--but 14mm per year will make them think about it.

I honestly think Portland is more likely to match on Crabbe than Orlando on Fournier.

The sad/scary thing is that one or both players could be had but instead Phil goes after Evan Turner.

you just made up something out of thin air and then accused Phil of doing wrong. Out of nothing. The pessimism is truly awful

Different situation but Cory Joseph did become available last year and the knicks went with AA. So yes I am concerned about Phil and his FA picks. Yes he got Lopez but his first choice was Monroe. It worked out in the end though.

I just presented a scenario that may or may not happen but is plausible with the way people think Evan Turner is a Phil type guard.

NY did not lose out on Cory Joseph, he wanted his home town. Knicks just drafted Grant and already had Jose, they didn't need another PG, AA was better short term.

And NY's first choices were Aldridge and DeAndre, not Monroe.

They did not even get in the race. You offer him slightly more money than Toronto and the starting job and see what happens. Just being a starter might have done it. Already having Calderon should never be a deciding factor. Also, Toronto drafted a pg in the 1st rd too. Joseph would have helped short term and gave them another young player on a great contract. Phil dropped the ball.

With Joseph defense you could have played a 2 pg system sliding Calderon to the 2 if you did not cut him. If you did cut Calderon you could have still could have got AA if you sacrificed using the exception on KS. You use the exception on Lou/Thomas since they wanted to give them an atta boy raise. Now you save the 3.1m of cap space to use with the $4m+ you got from stretching Jose.

You know how badly Joseph wanted to go to Toronto? They already had a start all-star PG, just drafted a PG and he still felt like that was his spot.

28 teams lost out on Joseph. 28 GMs failed. Or, 1 got lucky cause he wanted to go there and they also wanted to supplement their team with Canadian born. It actually makes sense.