BRIGGS wrote:

Vmart wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I just want to see who else would do this.

If Phoenix offered Devin Booker for Carmelo Anthony straight up would you turn it down?

I can't see The Suns offering an up and coming player for a player that will be 32 and on the down.

I know they would never do it--Im just wondering if anyone here would. Im mean its a no brainer.

That would be robbery by the Knicks. The Suns would never do it. You'd have to throw in Porzingis to even get talks started.

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:How did NO waste Paul's prime by trading them journeyman semi-healthy Tyson Chandler? Anyway this is the wrong summer to trade Melo. It's not just about draft picks its also about having picks in the right draft.

What do picks have to do with this?

Most people want draft picks back some want 4-15 guards.

You can trade for picks that are in any future draft

True but when you look at the future picks for the proposed teams people think Melo will accept it gets dicey.

Maybe we can find some idiot Knick-like team that makes the playoffs one year and after losing in the 1st or 2nd rd trade for Melo and proceed to win only 37,17 & 28 games the following 3yrs.

Like I said at the deadline. I'd trade Melo for expirings and 2 late second rd picks. Just end it already.

guys like you would trade lance Thomas for melo and 2 first rounders, then scream JUST END IT ALREADY!!Never mind the future

Well, he didn't completely describe the trade. He meant, he'd trade Melo for an expiring, 2nd round picks, and 24 mil per year in cap space. If you use that money reasonably well, I'm willing to bet we'll be a much better than .394 team. You can get a lot more than what Melo gives for 24 mil dollars a year. We need to cut our losses in this contract before it gets even worse. If we actually get anything beyond cap space (picks, good players), that's gravy.

we spent 28 million last off season, how much better are we

BRIGGS wrote:

Vmart wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I just want to see who else would do this.

If Phoenix offered Devin Booker for Carmelo Anthony straight up would you turn it down?

I can't see The Suns offering an up and coming player for a player that will be 32 and on the down.

I know they would never do it--Im just wondering if anyone here would. Im mean its a no brainer.

According to you rookie TJ Warren was already better then Carmelo Anthony after a 30pt summer league game.

With that being said there is a big difference in trading for a young player that proves he belongs I'm the league and a future draft pick. Haven't followed Booker enough to know if he is even worthy of this praise.

A team like Boston has no problem trading for Carmelo because they know that they can and will build a contending team. They operate pretty damn good.

2016 Salary Cap
PLAYER (9)          POS.  SIGNED USING  BASE SALARY  DEAD CAP       CAP FIGURE   CAP %
Carmelo Anthony     SF	  Bird	        $24,559,380  ($78,731,280)  $24,559,380	 27.59
Robin Lopez	    C	  Cap Space	$13,219,250  ($41,365,500)  $13,219,250	 14.85
Arron Afflalo	    SG	  Cap Space	$8,000,000   ($8,000,000)   $8,000,000	 8.99
Jose Calderon	    PG	  Cap Space	$7,708,427   ($7,708,427)   $7,708,427	 8.66
Derrick Williams    PF	  Cap Space	$4,400,000   ($4,598,000)   $4,400,000	 4.94
Kristaps Porzingis  PF	  Rookie	$4,317,720   ($4,317,720)   $4,317,720	 4.85
Kyle O'Quinn	    PF	  Bird	        $3,918,750   ($12,262,500)  $3,918,750	 4.40
Jerian Grant	    PG	  Rookie	$1,643,040                  $1,643,040	 1.85
Tony Wroten Jr.	    SG	  Minimum	$1,050,961                  $1,050,961	 1.18  
2016 Cap Hold
Kevin Seraphin	    PF	$3,376,800	
Lance Thomas	    SF	$2,127,895	
Louis Amundson	    PF	$2,126,119	
Langston Galloway   PG	$1,225,539	
Cleanthony Early    SF	$1,180,431	
Sasha Vujacic	    SG	$980,431	  
Exceptions
Room Exception	    $2,814,000  Kevin Seraphin	
Active Contracts    $68,817,528	-	-	-	-	$68,817,528
Cap Holds	    -	-	-	-	-	-       $11,017,215
Total Salaries	    $68,817,528	-	-	-	-	$79,834,743

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:How did NO waste Paul's prime by trading them journeyman semi-healthy Tyson Chandler? Anyway this is the wrong summer to trade Melo. It's not just about draft picks its also about having picks in the right draft.

What do picks have to do with this?

Most people want draft picks back some want 4-15 guards.

You can trade for picks that are in any future draft

True but when you look at the future picks for the proposed teams people think Melo will accept it gets dicey.

Maybe we can find some idiot Knick-like team that makes the playoffs one year and after losing in the 1st or 2nd rd trade for Melo and proceed to win only 37,17 & 28 games the following 3yrs.

Like I said at the deadline. I'd trade Melo for expirings and 2 late second rd picks. Just end it already.

guys like you would trade lance Thomas for melo and 2 first rounders, then scream JUST END IT ALREADY!!Never mind the future

Well, he didn't completely describe the trade. He meant, he'd trade Melo for an expiring, 2nd round picks, and 24 mil per year in cap space. If you use that money reasonably well, I'm willing to bet we'll be a much better than .394 team. You can get a lot more than what Melo gives for 24 mil dollars a year. We need to cut our losses in this contract before it gets even worse. If we actually get anything beyond cap space (picks, good players), that's gravy.

we spent 28 million last off season, how much better are we

See bold
Melo's contract is a symptom of a problem (overpaying relative to production) that is evident in most of Phil's and Dolan's decisions.

seems to be the case with athletes in general, we'll always have over price athletes on our roster, funny your concern now when most FA's are bout to sign contracts that will make melo's look like a 3 for dollar cheap

The salary cap won't go up nearly enough for that. He's become a low efficiency volume scorer who doesn't excel in any other areas of the game. I wouldn't spend more than around $10 mil a year for that, and even then that's stretching it. So how does $10 mil now translate to $23 mil future seasons? Maybe if the salary cap is almost tripling and he doesn't further decline, his salary will be appropriate.

So for that, you ll make a even dumber move by trading him for trash. He has a NTC, who do think will gain off that trade.

Remember we traded Ewing in the last yr of his contract to add more long term contracts..that's what want, cause that's what yo will get

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:How did NO waste Paul's prime by trading them journeyman semi-healthy Tyson Chandler? Anyway this is the wrong summer to trade Melo. It's not just about draft picks its also about having picks in the right draft.

What do picks have to do with this?

Most people want draft picks back some want 4-15 guards.

You can trade for picks that are in any future draft

True but when you look at the future picks for the proposed teams people think Melo will accept it gets dicey.

Maybe we can find some idiot Knick-like team that makes the playoffs one year and after losing in the 1st or 2nd rd trade for Melo and proceed to win only 37,17 & 28 games the following 3yrs.

Like I said at the deadline. I'd trade Melo for expirings and 2 late second rd picks. Just end it already.

guys like you would trade lance Thomas for melo and 2 first rounders, then scream JUST END IT ALREADY!!Never mind the future

Well, he didn't completely describe the trade. He meant, he'd trade Melo for an expiring, 2nd round picks, and 24 mil per year in cap space. If you use that money reasonably well, I'm willing to bet we'll be a much better than .394 team. You can get a lot more than what Melo gives for 24 mil dollars a year. We need to cut our losses in this contract before it gets even worse. If we actually get anything beyond cap space (picks, good players), that's gravy.

we spent 28 million last off season, how much better are we

See bold
Melo's contract is a symptom of a problem (overpaying relative to production) that is evident in most of Phil's and Dolan's decisions.

seems to be the case with athletes in general, we'll always have over price athletes on our roster, funny your concern now when most FA's are bout to sign contracts that will make melo's look like a 3 for dollar cheap

The salary cap won't go up nearly enough for that. He's become a low efficiency volume scorer who doesn't excel in any other areas of the game. I wouldn't spend more than around $10 mil a year for that, and even then that's stretching it. So how does $10 mil now translate to $23 mil future seasons? Maybe if the salary cap is almost tripling and he doesn't further decline, his salary will be appropriate.

So for that, you ll make a even dumber move by trading him for trash. He has a NTC, who do think will gain off that trade.

Remember we traded Ewing in the last yr of his contract to add more long term contracts..that's what want, cause that's what yo will get

Knixkik wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:How did NO waste Paul's prime by trading them journeyman semi-healthy Tyson Chandler? Anyway this is the wrong summer to trade Melo. It's not just about draft picks its also about having picks in the right draft.

What do picks have to do with this?

Most people want draft picks back some want 4-15 guards.

You can trade for picks that are in any future draft

True but when you look at the future picks for the proposed teams people think Melo will accept it gets dicey.

Maybe we can find some idiot Knick-like team that makes the playoffs one year and after losing in the 1st or 2nd rd trade for Melo and proceed to win only 37,17 & 28 games the following 3yrs.

Like I said at the deadline. I'd trade Melo for expirings and 2 late second rd picks. Just end it already.

guys like you would trade lance Thomas for melo and 2 first rounders, then scream JUST END IT ALREADY!!Never mind the future

Well, he didn't completely describe the trade. He meant, he'd trade Melo for an expiring, 2nd round picks, and 24 mil per year in cap space. If you use that money reasonably well, I'm willing to bet we'll be a much better than .394 team. You can get a lot more than what Melo gives for 24 mil dollars a year. We need to cut our losses in this contract before it gets even worse. If we actually get anything beyond cap space (picks, good players), that's gravy.

we spent 28 million last off season, how much better are we

See bold
Melo's contract is a symptom of a problem (overpaying relative to production) that is evident in most of Phil's and Dolan's decisions.

seems to be the case with athletes in general, we'll always have over price athletes on our roster, funny your concern now when most FA's are bout to sign contracts that will make melo's look like a 3 for dollar cheap

The salary cap won't go up nearly enough for that. He's become a low efficiency volume scorer who doesn't excel in any other areas of the game. I wouldn't spend more than around $10 mil a year for that, and even then that's stretching it. So how does $10 mil now translate to $23 mil future seasons? Maybe if the salary cap is almost tripling and he doesn't further decline, his salary will be appropriate.

He is one of the best rebounding SF's in the league, so this statement is not true.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:How did NO waste Paul's prime by trading them journeyman semi-healthy Tyson Chandler? Anyway this is the wrong summer to trade Melo. It's not just about draft picks its also about having picks in the right draft.

What do picks have to do with this?

Most people want draft picks back some want 4-15 guards.

You can trade for picks that are in any future draft

True but when you look at the future picks for the proposed teams people think Melo will accept it gets dicey.

Maybe we can find some idiot Knick-like team that makes the playoffs one year and after losing in the 1st or 2nd rd trade for Melo and proceed to win only 37,17 & 28 games the following 3yrs.

Like I said at the deadline. I'd trade Melo for expirings and 2 late second rd picks. Just end it already.

guys like you would trade lance Thomas for melo and 2 first rounders, then scream JUST END IT ALREADY!!Never mind the future

Well, he didn't completely describe the trade. He meant, he'd trade Melo for an expiring, 2nd round picks, and 24 mil per year in cap space. If you use that money reasonably well, I'm willing to bet we'll be a much better than .394 team. You can get a lot more than what Melo gives for 24 mil dollars a year. We need to cut our losses in this contract before it gets even worse. If we actually get anything beyond cap space (picks, good players), that's gravy.

we spent 28 million last off season, how much better are we

See bold
Melo's contract is a symptom of a problem (overpaying relative to production) that is evident in most of Phil's and Dolan's decisions.

seems to be the case with athletes in general, we'll always have over price athletes on our roster, funny your concern now when most FA's are bout to sign contracts that will make melo's look like a 3 for dollar cheap

The salary cap won't go up nearly enough for that. He's become a low efficiency volume scorer who doesn't excel in any other areas of the game. I wouldn't spend more than around $10 mil a year for that, and even then that's stretching it. So how does $10 mil now translate to $23 mil future seasons? Maybe if the salary cap is almost tripling and he doesn't further decline, his salary will be appropriate.

He is one of the best rebounding SF's in the league, so this statement is not true.

Yeah but the team struggles when he plays SF and he is a below average rebounding PF. He's a combo forward (or PF) even if the team is playing him at SF.

What are his +/- when he is at SF and what is his reb. rate at PF. Do they have those numbers any where? iS he more efficient at PF? What are PFs averaging for rebounds/ast and what are sfs avging for rebounds and ast?

Also, how will his year look if he ends up with a TS% close to 55%? I doubt he will but would he be looked in the same way as Paul George coming off of injury or will people still be weary because of age and decline. However, would it be a decline if most his numbers improved and his shooting finally came around? Now there is still the matter of his numbers not being worth the contract but if he is not declining and the cap is going up is the issue still valid. Those are definitely some big ifs but the season is not over. He may very well crater throwing his first 8 games of March down the drain when he has a TS% over 60.

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:How did NO waste Paul's prime by trading them journeyman semi-healthy Tyson Chandler? Anyway this is the wrong summer to trade Melo. It's not just about draft picks its also about having picks in the right draft.

What do picks have to do with this?

Most people want draft picks back some want 4-15 guards.

You can trade for picks that are in any future draft

True but when you look at the future picks for the proposed teams people think Melo will accept it gets dicey.

Maybe we can find some idiot Knick-like team that makes the playoffs one year and after losing in the 1st or 2nd rd trade for Melo and proceed to win only 37,17 & 28 games the following 3yrs.

Like I said at the deadline. I'd trade Melo for expirings and 2 late second rd picks. Just end it already.

guys like you would trade lance Thomas for melo and 2 first rounders, then scream JUST END IT ALREADY!!Never mind the future

Well, he didn't completely describe the trade. He meant, he'd trade Melo for an expiring, 2nd round picks, and 24 mil per year in cap space. If you use that money reasonably well, I'm willing to bet we'll be a much better than .394 team. You can get a lot more than what Melo gives for 24 mil dollars a year. We need to cut our losses in this contract before it gets even worse. If we actually get anything beyond cap space (picks, good players), that's gravy.

we spent 28 million last off season, how much better are we

See bold
Melo's contract is a symptom of a problem (overpaying relative to production) that is evident in most of Phil's and Dolan's decisions.

seems to be the case with athletes in general, we'll always have over price athletes on our roster, funny your concern now when most FA's are bout to sign contracts that will make melo's look like a 3 for dollar cheap

The salary cap won't go up nearly enough for that. He's become a low efficiency volume scorer who doesn't excel in any other areas of the game. I wouldn't spend more than around $10 mil a year for that, and even then that's stretching it. So how does $10 mil now translate to $23 mil future seasons? Maybe if the salary cap is almost tripling and he doesn't further decline, his salary will be appropriate.

So for that, you ll make a even dumber move by trading him for trash. He has a NTC, who do think will gain off that trade.

Remember we traded Ewing in the last yr of his contract to add more long term contracts..that's what want, cause that's what yo will get

We get cap space that can be used much better if the GM is making intelligent decisions. If we get anything else, that's just gravy.
Undoubtedly, trading him could make the team's situation worse if the trade is not based on sound reasoning.

sound reasoning with this franchise...Name me a time when that happen. I have been a knick fan for over 25 yrs, we always get hood wink in every single trade since Camby for oakly..

Why not just wait until his contract expires, and have all the cap space you need, if your saying you won't win a title in 3yrs, with or without him, mind as well let it run it's course.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:How did NO waste Paul's prime by trading them journeyman semi-healthy Tyson Chandler? Anyway this is the wrong summer to trade Melo. It's not just about draft picks its also about having picks in the right draft.

What do picks have to do with this?

Most people want draft picks back some want 4-15 guards.

You can trade for picks that are in any future draft

True but when you look at the future picks for the proposed teams people think Melo will accept it gets dicey.

Maybe we can find some idiot Knick-like team that makes the playoffs one year and after losing in the 1st or 2nd rd trade for Melo and proceed to win only 37,17 & 28 games the following 3yrs.

Like I said at the deadline. I'd trade Melo for expirings and 2 late second rd picks. Just end it already.

guys like you would trade lance Thomas for melo and 2 first rounders, then scream JUST END IT ALREADY!!Never mind the future

Well, he didn't completely describe the trade. He meant, he'd trade Melo for an expiring, 2nd round picks, and 24 mil per year in cap space. If you use that money reasonably well, I'm willing to bet we'll be a much better than .394 team. You can get a lot more than what Melo gives for 24 mil dollars a year. We need to cut our losses in this contract before it gets even worse. If we actually get anything beyond cap space (picks, good players), that's gravy.

we spent 28 million last off season, how much better are we

See bold
Melo's contract is a symptom of a problem (overpaying relative to production) that is evident in most of Phil's and Dolan's decisions.

seems to be the case with athletes in general, we'll always have over price athletes on our roster, funny your concern now when most FA's are bout to sign contracts that will make melo's look like a 3 for dollar cheap

The salary cap won't go up nearly enough for that. He's become a low efficiency volume scorer who doesn't excel in any other areas of the game. I wouldn't spend more than around $10 mil a year for that, and even then that's stretching it. So how does $10 mil now translate to $23 mil future seasons? Maybe if the salary cap is almost tripling and he doesn't further decline, his salary will be appropriate.

He is one of the best rebounding SF's in the league, so this statement is not true.

Yeah but the team struggles when he plays SF and he is a below average rebounding PF. He's a combo forward (or PF) even if the team is playing him at SF.

What are his +/- when he is at SF and what is his reb. rate at PF. Do they have those numbers any where? iS he more efficient at PF? What are PFs averaging for rebounds/ast and what are sfs avging for rebounds and ast?

Also, how will his year look if he ends up with a TS% close to 55%? I doubt he will but would he be looked in the same way as Paul George coming off of injury or will people still be weary because of age and decline. However, would it be a decline if most his numbers improved and his shooting finally came around? Now there is still the matter of his numbers not being worth the contract but if he is not declining and the cap is going up is the issue still valid. Those are definitely some big ifs but the season is not over. He may very well crater throwing his first 8 games of March down the drain when he has a TS% over 60.

I haven't looked into all those #s. How will his year looks if he has over 60% TS the rest of the month? A lot better but I still don't think he'll be worth $124 mil. Melo is definitely a good player. He just isn't worth what we're paying him. I know you examine the #s really carefully. I don't think you would have ever offered him $124 mil though I could be wrong.

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:How did NO waste Paul's prime by trading them journeyman semi-healthy Tyson Chandler? Anyway this is the wrong summer to trade Melo. It's not just about draft picks its also about having picks in the right draft.

What do picks have to do with this?

Most people want draft picks back some want 4-15 guards.

You can trade for picks that are in any future draft

True but when you look at the future picks for the proposed teams people think Melo will accept it gets dicey.

Maybe we can find some idiot Knick-like team that makes the playoffs one year and after losing in the 1st or 2nd rd trade for Melo and proceed to win only 37,17 & 28 games the following 3yrs.

Like I said at the deadline. I'd trade Melo for expirings and 2 late second rd picks. Just end it already.

guys like you would trade lance Thomas for melo and 2 first rounders, then scream JUST END IT ALREADY!!Never mind the future

Well, he didn't completely describe the trade. He meant, he'd trade Melo for an expiring, 2nd round picks, and 24 mil per year in cap space. If you use that money reasonably well, I'm willing to bet we'll be a much better than .394 team. You can get a lot more than what Melo gives for 24 mil dollars a year. We need to cut our losses in this contract before it gets even worse. If we actually get anything beyond cap space (picks, good players), that's gravy.

we spent 28 million last off season, how much better are we

See bold
Melo's contract is a symptom of a problem (overpaying relative to production) that is evident in most of Phil's and Dolan's decisions.

seems to be the case with athletes in general, we'll always have over price athletes on our roster, funny your concern now when most FA's are bout to sign contracts that will make melo's look like a 3 for dollar cheap

The salary cap won't go up nearly enough for that. He's become a low efficiency volume scorer who doesn't excel in any other areas of the game. I wouldn't spend more than around $10 mil a year for that, and even then that's stretching it. So how does $10 mil now translate to $23 mil future seasons? Maybe if the salary cap is almost tripling and he doesn't further decline, his salary will be appropriate.

So for that, you ll make a even dumber move by trading him for trash. He has a NTC, who do think will gain off that trade.

Remember we traded Ewing in the last yr of his contract to add more long term contracts..that's what want, cause that's what yo will get

We get cap space that can be used much better if the GM is making intelligent decisions. If we get anything else, that's just gravy.
Undoubtedly, trading him could make the team's situation worse if the trade is not based on sound reasoning.

sound reasoning with this franchise...Name me a time when that happen. I have been a knick fan for over 25 yrs, we always get hood wink in every single trade since Camby for oakly..

Why not just wait until his contract expires, and have all the cap space you need, if your saying you won't win a title in 3yrs, with or without him, mind as well let it run it's course.

Well, if you're assuming that the franchise won't make sound decisions (a reasonable assumption), then sure, nothing we discuss here really matters. We'll be screwed even after Melo retires as long as Dolan is here. I'm discussing this from the perspective of what I think a well run organization has to do.

I would rather have melo, keep some kind of core for more than a week, and see if we can add some solid role players, or trade the other non relevant pieces like Galloway, lance, KOQ, seraphin, dwill..trade all of them for a really good player