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ActionJackson
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3/20/2016  2:47 PM
Also Ewing would treat little Draymond like this and then tell his momma to stop all her crying

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ActionJackson
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3/20/2016  2:50 PM
mreinman wrote:
you mean the GS team that was without bogut, ezeli and Iggy?

Injuries are part of a long NBA season and maybe the lil boys get worn down when playing against the men.

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3/20/2016  3:06 PM
ActionJackson wrote:Somehow this thread became about the 96 Bulls vs the 2016 Warriors but honestly, I dont think this time could beat the Bad Boy Pistons in a 7 game series either cause Isiah & Dumars are athletic and nasty enough to lock down Klay & Curry and if they did get by them Mahorn, Laimbeer & Rodman would've made sure they NEVER came into the lane ever again.

You are going back almost 30 years. Think of players from 1960 compared to the teams from the late 80s. No comparison. 80s teams were so much more advanced. That's the difference here. Almost 30 years. So many players from that era wouldn't be nba players today. And 30 years from now, same thing. Athletes get better, not worse.

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3/20/2016  3:26 PM
Knixkik wrote:
ActionJackson wrote:Somehow this thread became about the 96 Bulls vs the 2016 Warriors but honestly, I dont think this time could beat the Bad Boy Pistons in a 7 game series either cause Isiah & Dumars are athletic and nasty enough to lock down Klay & Curry and if they did get by them Mahorn, Laimbeer & Rodman would've made sure they NEVER came into the lane ever again.

You are going back almost 30 years. Think of players from 1960 compared to the teams from the late 80s. No comparison. 80s teams were so much more advanced. That's the difference here. Almost 30 years. So many players from that era wouldn't be nba players today. And 30 years from now, same thing. Athletes get better, not worse.

True but that doesn't exclude the fact that 30 years ago men were playing in the league and not lil boys who nervously chew on their pacifier...I mean mouth guard.

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3/20/2016  6:10 PM
The Warriors play small because even the big men in the league play small now. If they were playing against 90's type teams, they'd obvious have a couple of bigs to match. Never ceases to amaze the logic used on here.
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3/20/2016  6:51 PM
knickscity wrote:The Warriors play small because even the big men in the league play small now. If they were playing against 90's type teams, they'd obvious have a couple of bigs to match. Never ceases to amaze the logic used on here.

logic? what logic?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/20/2016  6:57 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/20/2016  7:01 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Different eras and favors the offensive players and offensive systems. No hand checking and such, and there are no true dominant bigs nowadays, so why plant plodders and post up guys in your lineup. Go full retard and speedball it.

Warriors are fully taking advantage of this era's rules....we should applaud them!

Now if you were to have a debate 96 Bulls vs 16 Warriors, you'd have to apply the same logic. Which era's rules would you play in the 90s or 2010's? Either way I'd give the edge to Jordan and Jax Bulls, MJ would not simply allow Curry to go off and would take it upon himself to murder and destroy him mentally and physically. Pip would lock down Klay, and Rodman would give Draymond some noogies.


Players are quicker, smarter (shot selection), and more athletic now. I don't think the top teams from almost a quarter century ago could compete with the top teams now.
And if players are not athletic or quick enough to keep up with Curry now, I don't see how someone from the 1990s could.

Wrong. See old veteran San Antonio Spurs on March 19th.

Just need to scheme against midget ball.


I wasn't commenting on the age of the players. I was commenting on the physical changes over generations. I don't think those teams a quarter century ago could keep up with these Spurs either. (Not that an 8 point win in 1 regular season game would prove anything anyway.)
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3/20/2016  7:14 PM
mreinman wrote:
knickscity wrote:The Warriors play small because even the big men in the league play small now. If they were playing against 90's type teams, they'd obvious have a couple of bigs to match. Never ceases to amaze the logic used on here.

logic? what logic?


Bad logic is still logic, just the reverse side
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3/20/2016  7:24 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Different eras and favors the offensive players and offensive systems. No hand checking and such, and there are no true dominant bigs nowadays, so why plant plodders and post up guys in your lineup. Go full retard and speedball it.

Warriors are fully taking advantage of this era's rules....we should applaud them!

Now if you were to have a debate 96 Bulls vs 16 Warriors, you'd have to apply the same logic. Which era's rules would you play in the 90s or 2010's? Either way I'd give the edge to Jordan and Jax Bulls, MJ would not simply allow Curry to go off and would take it upon himself to murder and destroy him mentally and physically. Pip would lock down Klay, and Rodman would give Draymond some noogies.


Players are quicker, smarter (shot selection), and more athletic now. I don't think the top teams from almost a quarter century ago could compete with the top teams now.
And if players are not athletic or quick enough to keep up with Curry now, I don't see how someone from the 1990s could.

Wrong. See old veteran San Antonio Spurs on March 19th.

Just need to scheme against midget ball.

oh ... and guess what. Why would anyone want to GS to beat the spurs? What is there not to like about the spurs?

They would CRUSH your talentless goons/90's knicks.

The spurs are a model franchise.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/20/2016  7:46 PM
Title reminds me of Rocky III before Rocky loses the title and Lang (Mr.T) yells at Rocky "What you say paper champion?"

Only one game against the Spurs, but it shows that denying Curry the breathing room to operate can get Steph off his game.

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3/20/2016  7:51 PM
GustavBahler wrote:Title reminds me of Rocky III before Rocky loses the title and Lang (Mr.T) yells at Rocky "What you say paper champion?"

Only one game against the Spurs, but it shows that denying Curry the breathing room to operate can get Steph off his game.

but how about K Leonard? He is a great player in his own right. I have no idea how this became a Spurs vs. GS style argument. They are both phenomenal teams with styles that work for them.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/20/2016  7:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/20/2016  7:58 PM
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Title reminds me of Rocky III before Rocky loses the title and Lang (Mr.T) yells at Rocky "What you say paper champion?"

Only one game against the Spurs, but it shows that denying Curry the breathing room to operate can get Steph off his game.

but how about K Leonard? He is a great player in his own right. I have no idea how this became a Spurs vs. GS style argument. They are both phenomenal teams with styles that work for them.

Just adding to my previous comments about the best way to defend Curry by not giving him the room to operate that most teams do. My intitial comments werent about the Spurs, just so happened they played Curry closer to the way I would have.

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3/20/2016  8:00 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Title reminds me of Rocky III before Rocky loses the title and Lang (Mr.T) yells at Rocky "What you say paper champion?"

Only one game against the Spurs, but it shows that denying Curry the breathing room to operate can get Steph off his game.

but how about K Leonard? He is a great player in his own right. I have no idea how this became a Spurs vs. GS style argument. They are both phenomenal teams with styles that work for them.

Just adding to my previous comments about the best way to defend Curry by not giving him the room to operate that most teams do. My intitial comments werent about the Spurs, just so happened they played Curry closer to the way I would have.

Leonard is the best defender in the league and they had 3 guys running at him all night. Won't always work but its worth a try

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/20/2016  8:04 PM
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Title reminds me of Rocky III before Rocky loses the title and Lang (Mr.T) yells at Rocky "What you say paper champion?"

Only one game against the Spurs, but it shows that denying Curry the breathing room to operate can get Steph off his game.

but how about K Leonard? He is a great player in his own right. I have no idea how this became a Spurs vs. GS style argument. They are both phenomenal teams with styles that work for them.

Just adding to my previous comments about the best way to defend Curry by not giving him the room to operate that most teams do. My intitial comments werent about the Spurs, just so happened they played Curry closer to the way I would have.

Leonard is the best defender in the league and they had 3 guys running at him all night. Won't always work but its worth a try

Leonard (or any other player in this league) isnt considered the best shooter in NBA history. Curry just needs a little daylight to get a shot off from almost anywhere, so you give him as little as possible. Not sure why this is so controversial.

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3/20/2016  8:06 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Title reminds me of Rocky III before Rocky loses the title and Lang (Mr.T) yells at Rocky "What you say paper champion?"

Only one game against the Spurs, but it shows that denying Curry the breathing room to operate can get Steph off his game.

but how about K Leonard? He is a great player in his own right. I have no idea how this became a Spurs vs. GS style argument. They are both phenomenal teams with styles that work for them.

Just adding to my previous comments about the best way to defend Curry by not giving him the room to operate that most teams do. My intitial comments werent about the Spurs, just so happened they played Curry closer to the way I would have.

Leonard is the best defender in the league and they had 3 guys running at him all night. Won't always work but its worth a try

Leonard (or any other player in this league) isnt considered the best shooter in NBA history. Curry just needs a little daylight to get a shot off from almost anywhere, so you give him as little as possible. Not sure why this is so controversial.

not controversial. He can just beat you anyway you play him. If you overplay him, he will shred the defense. You think teams have not tried anything?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/20/2016  8:12 PM
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Title reminds me of Rocky III before Rocky loses the title and Lang (Mr.T) yells at Rocky "What you say paper champion?"

Only one game against the Spurs, but it shows that denying Curry the breathing room to operate can get Steph off his game.

but how about K Leonard? He is a great player in his own right. I have no idea how this became a Spurs vs. GS style argument. They are both phenomenal teams with styles that work for them.

Just adding to my previous comments about the best way to defend Curry by not giving him the room to operate that most teams do. My intitial comments werent about the Spurs, just so happened they played Curry closer to the way I would have.

Leonard is the best defender in the league and they had 3 guys running at him all night. Won't always work but its worth a try

Leonard (or any other player in this league) isnt considered the best shooter in NBA history. Curry just needs a little daylight to get a shot off from almost anywhere, so you give him as little as possible. Not sure why this is so controversial.

not controversial. He can just beat you anyway you play him. If you overplay him, he will shred the defense. You think teams have not tried anything?

Look at how close they played him the entire game, when they switched, the next defender stayed glued to Curry, even without the ball. Its not just making it harder to get a good look, but its also getting him out of his comfort zone. Lots of teams, even some of the top defensive teams, don't do consistently what the Spurs did last game.

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3/20/2016  8:15 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Title reminds me of Rocky III before Rocky loses the title and Lang (Mr.T) yells at Rocky "What you say paper champion?"

Only one game against the Spurs, but it shows that denying Curry the breathing room to operate can get Steph off his game.

but how about K Leonard? He is a great player in his own right. I have no idea how this became a Spurs vs. GS style argument. They are both phenomenal teams with styles that work for them.

Just adding to my previous comments about the best way to defend Curry by not giving him the room to operate that most teams do. My intitial comments werent about the Spurs, just so happened they played Curry closer to the way I would have.

Leonard is the best defender in the league and they had 3 guys running at him all night. Won't always work but its worth a try

Leonard (or any other player in this league) isnt considered the best shooter in NBA history. Curry just needs a little daylight to get a shot off from almost anywhere, so you give him as little as possible. Not sure why this is so controversial.

not controversial. He can just beat you anyway you play him. If you overplay him, he will shred the defense. You think teams have not tried anything?

Look at how close they played him the entire game, when they switched, the next defender stayed glued to Curry, even without the ball. Its not just making it harder to get a good look, but its also getting him out of his comfort zone. Lots of teams, even some of the top defensive teams, don't do consistently what the Spurs did last game.

well it also helps that they have the best defensive guard in the league and the smartest coach in the league.

Also, many shots curry just missed ... this is what happened in the beginning of the cleveland series. And, a depleted GS front line did not help curry burn the constant triple teams.

This is why I would want to see how the teams adjust in a seven game series.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/20/2016  8:23 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Different eras and favors the offensive players and offensive systems. No hand checking and such, and there are no true dominant bigs nowadays, so why plant plodders and post up guys in your lineup. Go full retard and speedball it.

Warriors are fully taking advantage of this era's rules....we should applaud them!

Now if you were to have a debate 96 Bulls vs 16 Warriors, you'd have to apply the same logic. Which era's rules would you play in the 90s or 2010's? Either way I'd give the edge to Jordan and Jax Bulls, MJ would not simply allow Curry to go off and would take it upon himself to murder and destroy him mentally and physically. Pip would lock down Klay, and Rodman would give Draymond some noogies.


Players are quicker, smarter (shot selection), and more athletic now. I don't think the top teams from almost a quarter century ago could compete with the top teams now.
And if players are not athletic or quick enough to keep up with Curry now, I don't see how someone from the 1990s could.

Wrong. See old veteran San Antonio Spurs on March 19th.

Just need to scheme against midget ball.


I wasn't commenting on the age of the players. I was commenting on the physical changes over generations. I don't think those teams a quarter century ago could keep up with these Spurs either. (Not that an 8 point win in 1 regular season game would prove anything anyway.)

+1

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3/20/2016  8:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/20/2016  8:26 PM
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Title reminds me of Rocky III before Rocky loses the title and Lang (Mr.T) yells at Rocky "What you say paper champion?"

Only one game against the Spurs, but it shows that denying Curry the breathing room to operate can get Steph off his game.

but how about K Leonard? He is a great player in his own right. I have no idea how this became a Spurs vs. GS style argument. They are both phenomenal teams with styles that work for them.

Just adding to my previous comments about the best way to defend Curry by not giving him the room to operate that most teams do. My intitial comments werent about the Spurs, just so happened they played Curry closer to the way I would have.

Leonard is the best defender in the league and they had 3 guys running at him all night. Won't always work but its worth a try

Leonard (or any other player in this league) isnt considered the best shooter in NBA history. Curry just needs a little daylight to get a shot off from almost anywhere, so you give him as little as possible. Not sure why this is so controversial.

not controversial. He can just beat you anyway you play him. If you overplay him, he will shred the defense. You think teams have not tried anything?

Look at how close they played him the entire game, when they switched, the next defender stayed glued to Curry, even without the ball. Its not just making it harder to get a good look, but its also getting him out of his comfort zone. Lots of teams, even some of the top defensive teams, don't do consistently what the Spurs did last game.

well it also helps that they have the best defensive guard in the league and the smartest coach in the league.

Also, many shots curry just missed ... this is what happened in the beginning of the cleveland series. And, a depleted GS front line did not help curry burn the constant triple teams.

This is why I would want to see how the teams adjust in a seven game series.

I will take one above average defender playing Curry as close as possible, forcing him to put the ball on the floor, than 2-3 guys standing too far to make a difference.

If I have a choice between maybe the best shooter ever shooting at will, or forcing him to put the ball on the floor and run into help D, I'll take the latter. Watch how much space many teams give Curry to shoot, do whatever he wants. Makes no sense.

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3/20/2016  8:45 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Title reminds me of Rocky III before Rocky loses the title and Lang (Mr.T) yells at Rocky "What you say paper champion?"

Only one game against the Spurs, but it shows that denying Curry the breathing room to operate can get Steph off his game.

but how about K Leonard? He is a great player in his own right. I have no idea how this became a Spurs vs. GS style argument. They are both phenomenal teams with styles that work for them.

Just adding to my previous comments about the best way to defend Curry by not giving him the room to operate that most teams do. My intitial comments werent about the Spurs, just so happened they played Curry closer to the way I would have.

Leonard is the best defender in the league and they had 3 guys running at him all night. Won't always work but its worth a try

Leonard (or any other player in this league) isnt considered the best shooter in NBA history. Curry just needs a little daylight to get a shot off from almost anywhere, so you give him as little as possible. Not sure why this is so controversial.

not controversial. He can just beat you anyway you play him. If you overplay him, he will shred the defense. You think teams have not tried anything?

Look at how close they played him the entire game, when they switched, the next defender stayed glued to Curry, even without the ball. Its not just making it harder to get a good look, but its also getting him out of his comfort zone. Lots of teams, even some of the top defensive teams, don't do consistently what the Spurs did last game.

well it also helps that they have the best defensive guard in the league and the smartest coach in the league.

Also, many shots curry just missed ... this is what happened in the beginning of the cleveland series. And, a depleted GS front line did not help curry burn the constant triple teams.

This is why I would want to see how the teams adjust in a seven game series.

I will take one above average defender playing Curry as close as possible, forcing him to put the ball on the floor, than 2-3 guys standing too far to make a difference.

If I have a choice between maybe the best shooter ever shooting at will, or forcing him to put the ball on the floor and run into help D, I'll take the latter. Watch how much space many teams give Curry to shoot, do whatever he wants. Makes no sense.

so you have the key to stopping him? Or to slow him down? If they would only listen to you? Thanks for playing briggs

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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