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2/21/2016  3:48 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/21/2016  3:50 PM
Let me say he did drive past that same big guard in the last game.
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2/21/2016  4:33 PM
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TAB wrote:It's weird...he almost had a triple double the last time they played. Probably getting nervous.

But before that, coming off a solid night during the All Star game, he was trash again. Looks like he's very inconsistent. And if that was his only flaw, it wouldn't be a problem. But it's not.

Just like Jose has issues, which are mostly due to age.....Jimmer is in his prime age wise, and he will mostlikely be out played by Jose.......Just on IQ and leadership alone. Jimmer leads by example....But that means he needs to have the same attempts as Melo or KD, in order to see his impact.

I hope I'm wrong and he turns into another Linsanity.....But at the moment, it's hard to see him making a positive impact with limited minutes off the bench.

I also saw issues on both ends.....He was too small to guard a big guard. And he was too slow to drive past the same big guard. Basically there are bigger guards in the NBA, with the same quickness. Thats a major issue to over come. If you are smaller than your defender, usually they tell you to use your quickness against bigger guards. But his quickness is equal to bigger guards, so theres no advantage on offense.

Jimmer works better next to a taller attacking guard like Jerian Grant.....Next to Jose, thats a disaster waiting to happen. But I can see Jerian and Jimmer playing drive a kick plays.....Thats if Jerian gets any PT. What a mess the knicks are in again this year.....

How good is IQ when you can't physically create for yourself or others. Jose gets outplayed on a nightly basis to guys like Donald Sloan . So I'm pretty sure it won't be hard for jimmer to out perform Jose .... I mean we are talking about the worst starting pg in the NBA . Jimmer at least can create for himself, score in transition, and pass just as good if not better then Jose who only averages 7 and 4 ... If jimmer comes in and averages 7 and 4 on Jose's 30 plus minutes a game. I think jimmer himself would be very disappointed

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2/21/2016  4:39 PM

This is jimmer on a bad night when was the last time Jose made three transition lay ups

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2/21/2016  4:48 PM
I have a feeling Fredette is about to have a similar impact to Lin. I pray that is the case, because this dude needs for resurrect his playing career
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2/21/2016  5:03 PM
I keep forgetting this system fits Jimmers lack of PG IQ.....we just need guards who can shoot and work within the triangle. Jimmer cant afford off nights like this.....Gallo for example brings defense and rebounding.....Jose brings shooting and veteran floor leadership. But i would pay to see Jimmer and Jose guarding each other in practice.
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2/21/2016  5:05 PM
We are 1-0 since Jimmer's aurora has been around the team.
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2/21/2016  5:21 PM
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TAB wrote:2-16

From what I've seen, which is limited.....his defense might be worst than Jose, just because of his size. He's too small to guard a shooting guard, and it appears that he's too slow latterally to guard PG's. His man has scored on him on every posession in crunch time.

He really needs to work on being a PG....More of an Allen Iverson type.....playing next to a taller PG like MCW.....

These guys just can't seem to get it through their heads that just because a player plays good in the d-league against talent that can't make it in the NBA doesn't mean that's how they'll play in the NBA. It's a whole different story in the NBA but some people think if they can do it in the d-league then they need to be playing in the NBA. SMDH. I'll root for the kid cause i know how much we need help in the back court but i won't be holding my breath. Rambis said that he needs to show he can do more than shoot in practice before he plays in any games which is how it should be so hopefully he can impress in practice but again.....i won't be holding my breath.

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2/21/2016  5:28 PM
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This is jimmer on a bad night when was the last time Jose made three transition lay ups

You do know that that's the d-league right?? Against guys that can't make it in the NBA because they're not good enough. You do know that right??

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2/21/2016  5:47 PM
fitzfarm wrote:

This is jimmer on a bad night when was the last time Jose made three transition lay ups


Wow another clunker for him. He was pretty consistent until recently.
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2/21/2016  6:15 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:

This is jimmer on a bad night when was the last time Jose made three transition lay ups


Wow another clunker for him. He was pretty consistent until recently.

He's probably just distracted by the call up. In the end there's a few things I like about having him.

1. Jimmer can shoot and isn't afraid to shoot and teams will in fact not drop off of him!!! That alone can make an impact in terms of spacing and plays working as they should. Never mind if he actually hits a couple of shots and then it's a whole new ball game in terms of drawing attention. That's what our PF/C's need in order to have room to operate and less help defenders lurking.

2. Jimmer does have experience in the NBA and does actually have some idea of the difference in talent level. It's not like he's coming in cold like some young guy that never played at all. That has some positive impact.

3. Jimmer is faster than Jose. He's not as slow as people think. Perhaps his lateral quickness isn't massively better but IT IS BETTER than Jose. He's also faster driving than Jose and he has a floater which i've been DYING for one our guards to use more often.

4. Jimmer has been learning how to play on and off the ball and that is something he wasn't good at before the stint in the D League. He's comfortable in the System and that should count for something. He doesn't look like Jerian out there regardless of competition level. You still have to know what to do and not hesitate.

5. Offense is his one real skill. We have a great screen setter in RoLo and Jimmer should be able to get open looks off RoLo screens. If Jimmer can provide any kind of offensive boost it will make a difference. You can't really say that about Gallo or Jerian or Sasha really. Jimmer does know how to score and with a distracted defense he might be able to get off just enough in this offense. So sure he won't be avg'ing 20 pts, but if he can do 10-15 on a few nights, that would be huge. Just look at the anemic scoring we get from our guards outside of AA.


PLAYER GP GS MIN PPG OFFR DEFR RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FPG A/TO PER
Langston Galloway, SG 57 6 25.1 8.0 0.5 3.2 3.7 2.4 0.86 0.23 0.6 2.1 3.6 12.8
Jose Calderon, PG 53 53 27.7 7.5 0.3 2.8 3.2 4.0 0.92 0.11 1.2 1.7 3.4 12.8
Jerian Grant, PG 52 0 15.7 4.7 0.3 1.5 1.8 2.4 0.52 0.10 1.1 1.4 2.3 9.5
Sasha Vujacic, SG 39 8 12.7 3.7 0.4 1.6 2.0 1.2 0.54 0.05 0.7 1.3 1.8 8.2
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2/21/2016  6:32 PM
I'll give him a bit of a pass (I was too harsh..the call up and MVP, interviews is probably something he hasn't done in a while on a large scale. I think the offense sucked in this game as it did as the other night when he sucked. Even big man went 0-7 in this stinker. The last game more people had energy as a team and he had an almost trip. He has different pressures than most guys coming up from the d as well. That being said...Sorry Jimmy, we need to be brutal and dump him if need be.
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2/21/2016  6:52 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:

This is jimmer on a bad night when was the last time Jose made three transition lay ups

You do know that that's the d-league right?? Against guys that can't make it in the NBA because they're not good enough. You do know that right??

Yea I still don't see Jose driving in the d league I mean honestly what would Jose do in the d league ? 11-5 maybe probably more like 9 and 4... Jose is a15th man on most NBA rosters ... again Donald Sloan a former d leaguer and over seas player made Jose his bitch .... If Donald Sloan (who is not a good player) makes Jose his bitch ... I can't imagine jimmer, who is way more talented then Donald Sloan would do worse... I'm not saying jimmer is going to be our savior but to say a 26 year old shooting around 50% from downtown and can get to the hoop can't be better then the worst starting pg in the NBA I feel is wronG. I would be very disappointed if jimmer played 30 plus minutes and only averaged 7pts and 4 assists... The triangle fits jimmer's game I'm very excited to see if he is given a fair shot. Because I think If he's given good minutes he could flourish in this system.

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2/21/2016  7:27 PM
Just a bit of a reality check....the D League leading scorer and another guy people wanted to sign Erick Green was called up and did basically nothing for Utah. Had better stats than Jimmer. We'll all should be ecstatic if he puts up better numbers than Grant or Galloway.
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2/21/2016  7:41 PM
Andrew wrote:Just a bit of a reality check....the D League leading scorer and another guy people wanted to sign Erick Green was called up and did basically nothing for Utah. Had better stats than Jimmer. We'll all should be ecstatic if he puts up better numbers than Grant or Galloway.

Can't judge Eric green most minutes he played in A game is 4 minutes.. Can't really say he's had a opportunity to show what he can do... Same goes for jimmer if we are not going to play him 20 + minutes what's the point in bringing him up...

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2/21/2016  9:05 PM
fitzfarm wrote:
Andrew wrote:Just a bit of a reality check....the D League leading scorer and another guy people wanted to sign Erick Green was called up and did basically nothing for Utah. Had better stats than Jimmer. We'll all should be ecstatic if he puts up better numbers than Grant or Galloway.

Can't judge Eric green most minutes he played in A game is 4 minutes.. Can't really say he's had a opportunity to show what he can do... Same goes for jimmer if we are not going to play him 20 + minutes what's the point in bringing him up...


Well i'll just go ahead and tell you now that there's no way Jimmer will see 20 minutes in a game within his 10 day contract.
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2/21/2016  9:16 PM
Jimmer like other college scorers, will score for the Knicks of plays are run for him. That's unlikely. The issue is never if he can score but rather can he get stops when it matters. If this is about having a bench player that can fill it up then fine. But I don't see him in the rotation. Plain amd simple
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2/21/2016  9:44 PM
fitzfarm wrote:
Andrew wrote:Just a bit of a reality check....the D League leading scorer and another guy people wanted to sign Erick Green was called up and did basically nothing for Utah. Had better stats than Jimmer. We'll all should be ecstatic if he puts up better numbers than Grant or Galloway.

Can't judge Eric green most minutes he played in A game is 4 minutes.. Can't really say he's had a opportunity to show what he can do... Same goes for jimmer if we are not going to play him 20 + minutes what's the point in bringing him up...


I seriously doubt Jimmer gets 20 minutes a game.
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2/21/2016  9:49 PM
fitzfarm wrote:
Andrew wrote:Just a bit of a reality check....the D League leading scorer and another guy people wanted to sign Erick Green was called up and did basically nothing for Utah. Had better stats than Jimmer. We'll all should be ecstatic if he puts up better numbers than Grant or Galloway.

Can't judge Eric green most minutes he played in A game is 4 minutes.. Can't really say he's had a opportunity to show what he can do... Same goes for jimmer if we are not going to play him 20 + minutes what's the point in bringing him up...

Most of these guys come in as the 15th man on a team. They have to show something in practice as well as in games to stick.
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2/21/2016  10:03 PM
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fitzfarm wrote:
Andrew wrote:Just a bit of a reality check....the D League leading scorer and another guy people wanted to sign Erick Green was called up and did basically nothing for Utah. Had better stats than Jimmer. We'll all should be ecstatic if he puts up better numbers than Grant or Galloway.

Can't judge Eric green most minutes he played in A game is 4 minutes.. Can't really say he's had a opportunity to show what he can do... Same goes for jimmer if we are not going to play him 20 + minutes what's the point in bringing him up...

Most of these guys come in as the 15th man on a team. They have to show something in practice as well as in games to stick.

D & D...distribute and defend.

Get KP the kind of good looks our present guards don't give him, put Anthony into a position to score with less effort, keep the turnovers down, and on D keep your man in front of you like you're protecting your pretty wife from a smiling Derrick Fisher who looks like he wants to talk to her.

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2/21/2016  10:27 PM
Don't care for Melo's comments regarding Jimmer at all. Take the friggin' help however you can get it, guy. He could've sounded a little more enthusiastic about the Jimmer callup. Douche..
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