ChuckBuck wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Hopefully Rambis pushes Geant. I don't see Rambis closing out games with Calderon/Sasha

Yes.

Hopefully that's the first course of action during Rambis regime. See what you have in Jerian Grant. Throw him in the starting lineup for the remainder of the season.

Oh I wouldn't do that (start him). I would definitely focus on Grant though. I'd tell him he needs to focus on getting great at D. He can do that. And that he needs to create his own offense, e.g., off steals.

He needs a good summer to work on his offense and his shot (and he seems like his head is screwed on straight). I am very optimistic about him but he needs his role for this season clarified.

Knicks1969 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Nalod wrote:Im wondering if Derek was just not into the gig and working hard enough to learn the craft? Certainly had the cred coming in and a world of respect.
Its a seduction to get paid what he did and take on the NYC thing but the reality is its a tough ass job!!!!!!

Maybe Knicks1969 gets his wish and Luke gets the gig next year. Dolan can't be happy with Phil right now. I mean how much money can a dude spend on coach's!!!!

FWIW I don't see why Dolan would be mad. Phil's top choice was Kerr, and Kerr certainly validated that judgment. Fisher was a good choice that didn't work out. Did we miss out on another candidate by taking Fisher?

I will keep my fingers crossed with Rambis. I was not impressed with him when he was with Minn. but will be optimistic. The timing of this firing and the replacement with Rambis is very curious. Earlier in the season, Fisher used to get a little testy when Phil's name was raised. He was almost insecure with the topic, being a little brusque in reminding people he, not Phil, was the coach. I'm left to wonder whether the relationship soured, with Fisher not welcoming Phil's suggestions or what?

Perhaps Phil just blew a gasket when Fisher played KOQ, Serpahin and Lou yesterday (including a KOQ Seraphin tandem) all before D Will left the bench

I read up a few years ago about Rambis stint in Minny. He made a bad mistake taking the job as Kahn was the GM and had the task of taking the triangle to the team with a roster not condusive and no clout. He had to convert Jonny Flynn to be his PG. Bad fit.

We don't know if he wants the full time gig, or is even considered for it. for now, the team will make adjustments and try to get back on track.

Kurt Rambis was also the guy that thought Al Jefferson was the better bet over Kevin Love. From what I recollect, he also wanted to get Kevin Love traded and kept him on the bench. Needless to say, I'm not terribly optimistic about Rambis either. It's Walton-Shaw or bust for me.

I don't want Shaw at all. He was horrible with Denver and they had some good talent on those teams. If i could choose i'd think about bringing JVG back and maybe he could get Thibs to come back with him as a assistant. I doubt it but i do think JVG would be a good choice or i'd even give the job to Thibs but the way he was talked about how he ran his players to the ground would be tough to get around.

I hate to disagree with you,but you are not thinking coherently. Why on earth would Phil chose to hire a coach who doesn't view the game as he does? Specifically, when some of the assistants he trained (Shaw, Walton) are available?

DrAlphaeus wrote:

nixluva wrote:I was wrong! I really didn't believe Phil would fire Fish during this season. I guess it shows that Phil had seen enough and lost faith in Fish. Despite the rash of injuries, it seems Phil wasn't willing to wait for Fish to figure things out any longer. Maybe he was worried that the losing would do serious damage if it kept going this way.

Fish made his mistakes but I still think this roster needs help. The losing wasn't all his fault. I'm very curious to hear what Phil has to say on the subject.

I know it's weird but could the Rondo comment have been a last straw? I mean if NY is already a tough sell with the triangle and you've got vets like Rondo publicly saying "nah son" — instead of Fisher taking it as an opportunity to champion the triangle's abilities — weak side, two man, side triangle what have you — like you do he just got defensive and said "we don't want you anyway" — maybe Phil sees another reclamation project there? Or in any case, realizes Fisher is not going to be a good advocate for the system to his former peers?

I can see that being a part of it but i think there's a lot that has brought Phil to making this move and he might of been waiting to get closer to the all star break to do it. I think the Barnes thing, the Rondo thing is all in his reasoning for this.

ChuckBuck wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

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We pretty much called it.

And I'm sold on the idea that that Fisher wanted Serafin over Shved.

I just hope Phil is right for sticking to his guns because we are much better when we move away from the triangle. And the players like KP hate the triangle. The triangle should work between Melo & KP. Hopefully Rambis gets the players to buy in or it can get ugly. It would be so Knick like to force KP out

Yup, thought the Barnes thing was a distraction at the time, apparently Phil did too.

Hard to respect someone that crosses moral and ethical boundaries like it's commonplace.

You simply don't sleep with your teammates or friends ex. Guy code 101. Scumbag move city.

Yea we agreed when it happened that the whole thing would bring Fisher's commitment to the team into question. It is your job as the voice and leader of the team to set positive examples for your players to follow. People brushed it off but this wasn't an end of the rotation player getting involved in a messy personal situation. Phil's been souring on Fisher since then. Between that and wanting Serafin over Shved, moving away from the triangle whether it was his doing or the pressure from the players he clearly lost the team. They should be better now. No more starting games down 20 and fighting back. No more bone head off balanced plays down the stretch from the players. We will call timeouts and actually run NBA plays.

Also remember how much emphasis they placed on defending over everything else in training camp? Guess what we are one of the worst defensive teams despite having Twin Towers in the middle. My prediction is you won't see Calderon/Sasha on the floor together in the 4th and a lot more responsibility placed on Grant. If he can step up they will bring someone in who will. Maybe Bogans who at least will give you defense

EnySpree wrote:This is why Phil has been quiet.... mother****er.

I'm wit it. Fisher was not good with substitutions and in game decisions. I'm wit it....

Phil is woke.

Correct - I guess Phil wasn't happy with Fisher since he skipped preseason to fight Matt Barnes. Personally, I think if you hire a coach with no experience then you have to be patient with them, so really this is Phil's mistake rather than being fishers fault. He wasn't a very good coach but I would have given him until the end of the season.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:wow!! I think it must have been real bad behind the scenes. This is not a PJax type move.

nixluva wrote:

Chandler wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Didn't think Phil would fire him mid season. Thought it would be a strong possibility in the offseason though.

Me too, Im pretty sure his comments about "process over the playoffs" wasn't well received by either the team or Phil. Maybe Phil decided he couldnt make a trade for a first round pick, or a player good enough to right the ship this season, so he decided he would rather try a new head coach. Shows the playoffs are important to Phil, glad to hear it.

this and it also is a message to the team. It can't be Fisher's fault for the next 20+ games. I truly wonder how this is being received in the locker room. Guys like Jerian, DWill, maybe even KP have to see this an opportunity. (I say KP simply because it still befuddles me how few plays are called his way)

EXCELLENT POINT! I hadn't really focused on this aspect. Usually players snap out of funks with a coaching change. Phil could be thinking, It's not like Fish was an All Time Great coach. The players are more important to the franchise so if Fish had to be sacrificed, so be it.

There are young players that need to be developed and not messed up. Maybe Phil was more concerned with the development of the players. Not to mention the playoff race slipping away.

absolutely. Phil must be thinking why is Jerian worse now than when the year started (he should be getting better, no). Also he must be thinking he was pretty smart in signing DWill and probably felt that 10x after the summer league. Now Dwill's minutes are all over the place and he's coming in after KOQ, Serpahin and Lou (yesterday -- including the dreaded KOQ seraphin tandem)

Jerian and Dwill need their roles clarified and consistent minutes. Jerian you become a lock down guy this year (we'll work on your offense during the summer). DWill you attack the rim and draw fouls (we'll work on your game sense and defense during the summer)

3 words: cherchez la femme . . .

Chandler wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Nalod wrote:Im wondering if Derek was just not into the gig and working hard enough to learn the craft? Certainly had the cred coming in and a world of respect.
Its a seduction to get paid what he did and take on the NYC thing but the reality is its a tough ass job!!!!!!

Maybe Knicks1969 gets his wish and Luke gets the gig next year. Dolan can't be happy with Phil right now. I mean how much money can a dude spend on coach's!!!!

I would think most of us would want Luke to get the job right?? I was interested in him when his name was being thrown around for our job before Fisher got it.

Ditto. With all the experience he's gotten with the Warriors, we need to hire that guy. I'd imagine he'd have a better understanding of how to morph the triangle and what the Spurs do (courtesy of Steve Kerr), to then impliment it here in NY. The triangle is a great system but it needs to accomodate shifts in the current crop of NBA talent and playing styles. GSW understood that and made the adjustments wonderfully.

As a side, I do hope we can keep Fisher around in some capacity in the organization. I personally think that he'd be better as a front office guy. If not, we can kiss hopes of Russell Westbrook in 2017 goodbye.

I'm on board with a Walton hiring. Also on board with the idea of Phil telling Rambis "show me what you got"

this is a demonstration of "accountability" (though i never predicted during the season)

Rambis is a no nonsense guy. Guys g back to his interim days coaching the Lakers. He is perfect guy to lay it on these players. Especially Melo. You can't have your star player be divisive and not buy in. It's toxic for young players like KP & Grant. Remember earlier in the year Melo was free landing and we were blowing 4th leads with ISO Melo and Fisher had already lost the team and was about to be fired. That's when Phil spoke to the team and layed down the law. Melo started playing like Lebron, they stuck to the triangle, everyone was moving the ball. Everyone was contributing and they put together a few weeks worth of impressive wins. Now they reverted back to anti-triangle pick and roll and now Fisher is gone