martin wrote:

meloanyk wrote:

fishmike wrote:Greivis Vasquez... thats a name that keeps jumping out at me. Ron Harper part II

Grievance Vasquez. A taller Calderon part II and he isnt nearly as good as Jose was at his age. I would not invest those type of $ in him

Same, although I have not really seen much of him. Why not try for Batum?

martin wrote:

meloanyk wrote:

fishmike wrote:Greivis Vasquez... thats a name that keeps jumping out at me. Ron Harper part II

Grievance Vasquez. A taller Calderon part II and he isnt nearly as good as Jose was at his age. I would not invest those type of $ in him

Same, although I have not really seen much of him. Why not try for Batum?

I would try for Batum, though he's already talked about resigning in Charlotte. Obviously free agency is a long ways away. Just adding names to the list of potentials. I also think Vasquez might be a name we could target in a smaller trade before FA which wouldn't effect our cap room this summer unless we re-signed him.

NardDogNation wrote:I struggle to see how Jennings would fit the triangle but would not be averse to giving it a try if Calderon (and minor pieces) was (were) being dumped in the process. Worse comes to worse, we end up with an additional $9 million of cap space this offseason and an opportunity to build on what we already have.

But if we're actually trying to swing for the fences on a worthwhile opportunity, I'd do so on Lance Stephenson. Yes, he's a cancer but Zen has redeemed/wrangled similar players (Dennis Rodman) before. Needless to say, he's a knucklehead but it doesn't mean that they can't contribute positively to a winning team (see Rasheed Wallace and more recently, Hassan Whiteside). And given Stephenson's success with running elements of the triangle and the triangle outright with Brian Shaw in Indy, I'd be tempted to roll the dice on him. Like with Jennings, he is an expirer so the worse that can happen is that he doesn't work out and is cut before the end of the season. Best case scenario? We get the guy that was the best player in that Heat-Pacers conference finals that is a nightly triple double threat and elite defender within the confines of our system.

That being said, I really think that all it'd take to get Lance here is Calderon, Early and Seraphin. The Clippers improve their bench, while we get to consolidate our own and free up cap space in the process. I'd bring Stephenson off the bench and allow him to backup the SF and SG as the primary ballhandler, which will allow him to get the 30 minutes he needs to be effective.

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

meloanyk wrote:

fishmike wrote:Greivis Vasquez... thats a name that keeps jumping out at me. Ron Harper part II

Grievance Vasquez. A taller Calderon part II and he isnt nearly as good as Jose was at his age. I would not invest those type of $ in him

Same, although I have not really seen much of him. Why not try for Batum?

He always played really well when I watched him with Toronto. I think he would be a good pick up.

have you checked his numbers?

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

meloanyk wrote:

fishmike wrote:Greivis Vasquez... thats a name that keeps jumping out at me. Ron Harper part II

Grievance Vasquez. A taller Calderon part II and he isnt nearly as good as Jose was at his age. I would not invest those type of $ in him

Same, although I have not really seen much of him. Why not try for Batum?

He always played really well when I watched him with Toronto. I think he would be a good pick up.

have you checked his numbers?

No. I watched him against the Knicks and in the playoffs. He is out until April.

relying soley on the eye test? Bad idea

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

meloanyk wrote:

fishmike wrote:Greivis Vasquez... thats a name that keeps jumping out at me. Ron Harper part II

Grievance Vasquez. A taller Calderon part II and he isnt nearly as good as Jose was at his age. I would not invest those type of $ in him

Same, although I have not really seen much of him. Why not try for Batum?

He always played really well when I watched him with Toronto. I think he would be a good pick up.

have you checked his numbers?

No. I watched him against the Knicks and in the playoffs. He is out until April.

relying soley on the eye test? Bad idea

I think with PGs you have to look at how they are playing and what they can do and how their skills would translate to another system. I think he'd be a fit in the Triangle with what we try to do here.

Anyway, the injury sort of makes this idea moot anyway.

thats a dangerous game and if you play it, you better not give up too much.

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

meloanyk wrote:

fishmike wrote:Greivis Vasquez... thats a name that keeps jumping out at me. Ron Harper part II

Grievance Vasquez. A taller Calderon part II and he isnt nearly as good as Jose was at his age. I would not invest those type of $ in him

Same, although I have not really seen much of him. Why not try for Batum?

He always played really well when I watched him with Toronto. I think he would be a good pick up.

have you checked his numbers?

No. I watched him against the Knicks and in the playoffs. He is out until April.

relying soley on the eye test? Bad idea

I think with PGs you have to look at how they are playing and what they can do and how their skills would translate to another system. I think he'd be a fit in the Triangle with what we try to do here.

Anyway, the injury sort of makes this idea moot anyway.

thats a dangerous game and if you play it, you better not give up too much.

The idea was that he would be an option at PG they could acquire cheaply and realistically. I don't think they'd have to give up that much, but I do think he'd do well in the Triangle.

Coming off his injury next off-season, he is a guy I'd at least look to bring in as a backup PG for low $$$.

I don't see it.

hows his defense?

GustavBahler wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I get the feeling that Jennings coming to NY would be a reboot (drama and all) of The Marbury trade.

Brandon Jennings never showed out on or off the court. The kid loves basketball. He's young yes. Maybe he needed to be in the right situation.

I see names like Bledsoe and Conley. We can't get those guys. We can get Jennings. With the talent we have, adding Jennings and asking him to play basketball might be a good thing. He's better than any guard we have. He's going to need time to price be can come back. It's 2015 and guys come back all the time. Most recently Rondo.

anyway, how do we get better now?

I agree with this. Nothing we'd give up now hurts KP's development, so why not go for it.

I would love to sign Conley next summer, but I don't see it happening. I think he stays in Memphis for the money and because he is happy there and BFF with MGasol.

I just really don't see Phil liking Jennings' game. Do you?

I want us to get a PG who looks for his shot more, but Jennings might call his own number too much. To answer Eny's question, one fix, which would help us short term without breaking the bank, is Andre Miller.

Some of you are ready to point out that he is prehistoric, and you would be right. But he still can run the point in limited minutes off the bench. Getting veteran PGs on the cheap who can give us a good year or two lets the team stay competitive while freeing up cap space for when Melo's contract comes off the books. I believe Grant could learn from Miller. I am concerned about any long term deal for a player now which would make building a contender more difficult when Melo is near the end of his time in NY.

Im guessing Jennings wont be cheap and will want a long term deal, seems like a risky proposition.

It depends if Jennings can be Zenned into buying in to a team concept of is be another one of these post Jordan era lost causes?

Detroit Pistons point guard Brandon Jennings told reporters today that he is open to a rehab stint with NBA Development League affiliate Grand Rapids.
And as he nears a return to the NBA from the ruptured left Achilles that ended his 2014-15 season, Jennings is thinking about playing Saturday, when Grand Rapids plays host to the Westchester Knicks.
"There’s about an 80% chance I will be playing in the D-League on Saturday," he said at the Pistons practice facility after team preparations for tonight's game against the Boston Celtics (7:30 p.m., FSD). "I don’t care. I just want to play, man. I just want to get out there and hoop and see where it’s at.” [...]
As a veteran, Jennings would have to consent to the rehab stint. Pistons coach Stan Van Gundy has broached the topic the past few weeks.

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Sounds like he might be playing against the W-Knicks in a rehab assignment.

Detroit Pistons point guard Brandon Jennings told reporters today that he is open to a rehab stint with NBA Development League affiliate Grand Rapids.
And as he nears a return to the NBA from the ruptured left Achilles that ended his 2014-15 season, Jennings is thinking about playing Saturday, when Grand Rapids plays host to the Westchester Knicks.
"There’s about an 80% chance I will be playing in the D-League on Saturday," he said at the Pistons practice facility after team preparations for tonight's game against the Boston Celtics (7:30 p.m., FSD). "I don’t care. I just want to play, man. I just want to get out there and hoop and see where it’s at.” [...]
As a veteran, Jennings would have to consent to the rehab stint. Pistons coach Stan Van Gundy has broached the topic the past few weeks.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/brandon-jennings-eyes-return-from-injury-soon-----in-the-d-league-034225891.html

Interesting - he's also planning on making his season debut against the Knicks... maybe he's trying to angle his way to NY afterall?

Wed, Dec 16
Brandon Jennings (left Achilles) said that he's planning on making his season debut on December 29 vs. the Knicks.

I would definitely make a deal if they're willing to take back Jose's contract while adding another player like a KOQ, Seraphin or DWILL. Even if he's not 100% healthy this year, shedding Jose's contract will give us more cap flexibility for next year. And let's face it, he'd be playing for another contract so he will be motivated to play well and show he's healthy. I see it as a win, win. The starting pg position is the biggest weakness on this team by far and a healthy Jennings pushing the ball and penetrating would improve the overall team. It's a low risk, high reward move.

smackeddog wrote:

SocraticBallin22 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Sounds like he might be playing against the W-Knicks in a rehab assignment.

Detroit Pistons point guard Brandon Jennings told reporters today that he is open to a rehab stint with NBA Development League affiliate Grand Rapids.
And as he nears a return to the NBA from the ruptured left Achilles that ended his 2014-15 season, Jennings is thinking about playing Saturday, when Grand Rapids plays host to the Westchester Knicks.
"There’s about an 80% chance I will be playing in the D-League on Saturday," he said at the Pistons practice facility after team preparations for tonight's game against the Boston Celtics (7:30 p.m., FSD). "I don’t care. I just want to play, man. I just want to get out there and hoop and see where it’s at.” [...]
As a veteran, Jennings would have to consent to the rehab stint. Pistons coach Stan Van Gundy has broached the topic the past few weeks.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/brandon-jennings-eyes-return-from-injury-soon-----in-the-d-league-034225891.html

Interesting - he's also planning on making his season debut against the Knicks... maybe he's trying to angle his way to NY afterall?

Wed, Dec 16
Brandon Jennings (left Achilles) said that he's planning on making his season debut on December 29 vs. the Knicks.

I would definitely make a deal if they're willing to take back Jose's contract while adding another player like a KOQ, Seraphin or DWILL. Even if he's not 100% healthy this year, shedding Jose's contract will give us more cap flexibility for next year. And let's face it, he'd be playing for another contract so he will be motivated to play well and show he's healthy. I see it as a win, win. The starting pg position is the biggest weakness on this team by far and a healthy Jennings pushing the ball and penetrating would improve the overall team. It's a low risk, high reward move.

I can understand people who want this trade solely to get rid of Jose's contract, but for those thinking Jennings would contribute I don't get why you're deluding yourselves- he's pretty much done. He was never that good to begin with, looked awful in detroit until he got hot just before his injury. He relied on his speed and athleticism and that's now gone forever due to the nature of his injury.

ok dr smack :-)