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Hinkie's Sixers: Bad Plan, Bad Execution, or both?
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11/20/2015  9:33 AM
Ira wrote:They seem to be in good shape right now at center, power forward and point guard (with undrafted rookie T J McConnell). It may take a little more time, but that franchise is headed up.

Eh, Sixers fan are asking 'what's wrong with Noel' this year.

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11/20/2015  11:06 AM
Ira wrote:They seem to be in good shape right now at center, power forward and point guard (with undrafted rookie T J McConnell). It may take a little more time, but that franchise is headed up.

They are headed up in what terms? Any team should be headed up from 18-win seasons, i would think. Let's not forget, they were a 34-win team the year Hinkie took over and blew it up. A good GM can take over a team like that and with a couple moves get back into the playoffs. He didn't want to just get back into the playoffs, which is fine. But how long does it take him to get this team back to the 34-win team they were when he took over. This is the 3rd year, and they will be under 20 wins again. Next year they will have the guy coming from overseas with any luck as a rookie, plus rookie Embiid, plus a couple of other rookies. They will all need time to adjust. They will get better next year, but not that much better. That will be year 4. So we are looking at a minimum of 5 years to get back to where they were when he took over, and that's if things start to fall into place for them that soon, which is no guarantee. That is a scary thought. 5 years minimum to get back to where they started.

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11/20/2015  11:12 AM
Knixkik wrote: So we are looking at a minimum of 5 years to get back to where they were when he took over, and that's if things start to fall into place for them that soon, which is no guarantee. That is a scary thought. 5 years minimum to get back to where they started.

And then he'll have to pay Noel. And then Okafor and McConnell, and then the 2016 draft picks and maybe Emiid.

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11/20/2015  11:34 AM
bigbasketballs wrote:
Ira wrote:They seem to be in good shape right now at center, power forward and point guard (with undrafted rookie T J McConnell). It may take a little more time, but that franchise is headed up.

Eh, Sixers fan are asking 'what's wrong with Noel' this year.

yea.. put young people in a situation where nobody cares about them as people and there is constant losing and mockery and wonder why they are performing poorly. Hmm... another stat/analytics guy who forgot the game is played by humans.

Not only will Hinkie fail miserably, but I promise they lose much of their talent to FA. Watch Greg Monroe situations play out.

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11/24/2015  1:14 PM
The Sixers have a negative turnover to assist ratio… as a TEAM…

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11/25/2015  9:05 AM
Memo To Sixers Brass: Show Us You CAre
John Smallwood, DAILY NEWS SPORTS COLUMNIST
POSTED: Wednesday, November 25, 2015, 3:01 AM
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SOMEBODY IN THE ownership group or management of the Sixers should just act as if they care.

I am not asking for the truth.

Fake it, if necessary. Lie, if need be.

Just say anything to disprove what seems abundantly clear - that management does not give a darn about how dreadful the Sixers are; how little it cares about how embarrassing these nightly beatings are to the city; and, most important, how this current state of affairs actually threatens what this "process" is supposed to be about.

If Sixers managing owner Josh Harris, president/general manager Sam Hinkie or vice president of basketball strategy Ben Falk - they actually pay someone to game-plan this mess - can deliver a somewhat logical explanation for how fielding a team that has little chance of competing, much less actually winning, helps this rebuilding plan, please do.

Under the most fortunate circumstances, if everything were to fall the Sixers' way, nobody reasonably expected this to be a .500 team in only its third season of a massive makeover.

No one thinks that this thing is near complete, that young players are fully developed, or that all of the core pieces are in house.

Everyone understands that this is still the construction phase, but how about displaying a little measurable progress in the win column?

I don't want mumbo-jumbo analytics in which statistics are creatively spun to symbolize improvement. I don't want to hear about accumulated assets that might or might not translate into some superstar savior currently in college or high school.

I would like to see the Sixers show they can actually score more points than another team.

After Monday's loss to the Minnesota Timberwolves, the Sixers are a combined 37-142 since Hinkie took over in 2013.

Dating back to March 25, the Sixers have lost 25 straight regular-season games. It is over two seasons, which still counts in the record books, but they are one loss away from matching the 2010-11 Cleveland Cavaliers and 2013-14 Sixers with an NBA-record 26th straight loss.

Just like last season, the Sixers (0-15) are threatening the 2009-10 New Jersey Nets' record of 18 consecutive losses to start an NBA season. Last season, the Sixers started 0-17.

"It feels night and day compared to 24 months ago," Hinkie said at the start of training camp. "Everything about the kind of things we can control behind the scenes feels different."

Hinkie was talking about sports science, nutrition, building a training facility, etc.

There is a more crucial thing Sixers management controls - player personnel. Unfortunately, it treats that responsibility like a distant afterthought.

The Sixers try to disguise the fact that they have intentionally assembled one of the worst rosters in the NBA by celebrating it is the youngest in NBA history.

That would be fine if more than 3 3/4 of those players actually belonged in the NBA.

Oh, I get that accumulating high picks in hopes of drafting franchise-altering players is the driving force of this rebuild, and that losing big increases the odds of getting a higher pick out of the lottery.

My 50-year-old brain cells are still functioning enough to grasp that concept. On certain levels, I agree that building through the draft was the Sixers' best course when Hinkie took over.

Where, however, are the signs of growth? Shouldn't we see some?

After acquiring five lottery picks, Nerlens Noel and Jahlil Okafor are the only two of Hinkie's first-round picks on this current roster. The 2014 draft class of Joel Embiid (foot injury) and Dario Saric (playing in Turkey) are still waiting for the train to stop in South Philadelphia.

The Sixers had a 26-game-losing streak in Hinkie's first season and lost 17 straight to start his second.

In his third, they are threatening to eclipse both dubious marks.

Maybe it's just my way of thinking, but that's still at the place where all this began.

Josh, Sam, Ben, please clue me in on how owning two of the longest losing streaks in history and two of the top five losing streaks to begin a season is an acceptable part of the process?

Perhaps because he is the only one who talks, coach Brett Brown is the only who tries to tell the truth, especially when the mounting frustration of constant losing percolates as it did Monday.

Brown likely got a call from principal Hinkie for getting off message and acknowledging, "I don't think we are close," when asked to compare the Sixers' rebuilding with that of the Timberwolves.

That's the biggest blow to this fallacy of suffering for a future championship the Sixers are selling.

In addition to the T-Wolves, the Sixers already lost - sometimes badly - to the Boston Celtics, Utah Jazz, Milwaukee Bucks, Orlando Magic and Charlotte Hornets.

When Hinkie took over, those teams also were bottom-feeders looking at rebuilds. All are further along than the Sixers.

So, come on, management, say something. Lie, if necessary. Just fake that you care about how bad things are.

Pretend as if it matters to you, so we can hold on to a reason for it to still matter to us.


Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20151125_Memo_to_Sixers_brass__Show_us_you_care.html#sEFpR0qTitj5Tc5S.99


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11/25/2015  9:08 AM
Sixers Struggles Beginning to Take Their Toll
Bob Cooney, DAILY NEWS SPORTS COLUMNIST
POSTED: Wednesday, November 25, 2015, 3:01 AM
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MINNEAPOLIS - While the wins have been few and far between during the Brett Brown era, the one thing the Sixers coach has done tremendously is keep the players unified.

Through the 142 losses in 179 games, Brown has somehow been able to "build the moat," as he likes to say, trying to shun them from the negativity that automatically surrounds such losing.

The natives are growing restless, however, from fans to Brown to his players. It was heightened the past two games in which the 76ers appeared poised to snap their winless season in close games at Miami and at Minnesota. But their failures and questionable play at the end of those games have frayed the bonds that have held the team tight.

Brown is struggling on how to best use Jahlil Okafor and Nerlens Noel together. While he starts both, they aren't on the floor all that much together, which is a big dent to the plan the coach envisioned. And in the end of the previous two games, Brown often made offensive and defensive substitutions with them, with Okafor getting the nod to score and Noel the one to defend.


Neither wants to be off the floor at the end, which isn't a surprise. Understandably, neither was happy in the locker room after the Minnesota loss, Okafor for not seeing the ball down the stretch, Noel for not seeing the floor.

Noel stayed on the bench for the final two minutes, 11 seconds against the Timberwolves. When he was replaced by Okafor - who was subbed for two minutes earlier by Noel - the game was tied at 91. You would think having your best defensive player on the floor would be a no-brainer, but at each stoppage, the Sixers were going back to the offensive end, so Brown stuck with Okafor.

But even that didn't work out, as the rookie didn't get off a shot in the final five minutes, despite having already scored 25 points. Brown is glad to see some of his players not wanting to back away from a big moment, but are the right ones making the right decisions when it comes to taking big shots?

"There is part of that and sometimes the game just presents," Brown said. "I don't want them playing scared, even when it's crunch time. I really don't. I think that if people have open shots . . . Jerami (Grant) made some drives to the basket, you know, then I want to encourage it. Sometimes when you look at your primary target, it's not there. We came out of a timeout, they made a big play out of one of our drawn plays, they shot a gap and made a steal, and then there was that series of and-one dunks that really turned the game."

Losing winnable games and having strategy questioned obviously aren't what Brown wants. He has been nothing short of masterful at keeping the mentality right. It just is getting harder and harder to do.

Stauskas update

After playing only 12 minutes in the first half on Monday because of pain in his left knee, Nik Stauskas had an MRI on Tuesday that revealed no ligament damage. The team said Stauskas is listed as day-to-day with a bruised knee.


Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20151125_Sixers__struggles_beginning_to_take_their_toll.html#GYTIkcTRYRRUIhgf.99


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11/25/2015  9:10 AM
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11/25/2015  9:11 AM
The bottom line is if the Sixers get Simmons in this draft Hinkie will be a genius.
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11/25/2015  9:44 AM
H1AND1 wrote:The bottom line is if the Sixers get Simmons in this draft Hinkie will be a genius.

Genius for?

Every NBA fan knows if you have the worst record you have the most lottery balls.

What's genius about the obvious?

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11/25/2015  9:48 AM
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H1AND1 wrote:The bottom line is if the Sixers get Simmons in this draft Hinkie will be a genius.

Genius for?

Every NBA fan knows if you have the worst record you have the most lottery balls.

What's genius about the obvious?

Well, that's partly what I mean. Simply winning the lottery will turn public perception around whether it's warranted or not. Just the way it is.

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11/25/2015  9:48 AM
H1AND1 wrote:The bottom line is if the Sixers get Simmons in this draft Hinkie will be a genius.

he was a genius for getting embiid too, right?

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11/25/2015  9:54 AM
The Sixers had a 26-game-losing streak in Hinkie's first season and lost 17 straight to start his second.
In his third, they are threatening to eclipse both dubious marks.
Maybe it's just my way of thinking, but that's still at the place where all this began.

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11/25/2015  9:54 AM
H1AND1 wrote:The bottom line is if the Sixers get Simmons in this draft Hinkie will be a genius.

Wow, then Minnesota must really have some geniuses running their organization to have both towns and wiggins. Is every team that gets the first pick in the draft a genius or just lucky? Being really bad doesn't make you a genius. Now if you are getting compensated for another team being really bad like the celtics are with Brooklyn, that makes you a genius.

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11/25/2015  10:03 AM
H1AND1 wrote:
bigbasketballs wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:The bottom line is if the Sixers get Simmons in this draft Hinkie will be a genius.

Genius for?

Every NBA fan knows if you have the worst record you have the most lottery balls.

What's genius about the obvious?

Well, that's partly what I mean. Simply winning the lottery will turn public perception around whether it's warranted or not. Just the way it is.

I don't think so. People have been and are now increasingly so seeing through this. I don't think getting Simmons cures all. They're still going to be awful next year too.

Noels is almost certainly going to have to be traded.

It's a mess.

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11/25/2015  10:05 AM
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H1AND1 wrote:The bottom line is if the Sixers get Simmons in this draft Hinkie will be a genius.

he was a genius for getting embiid too, right?

Wow, then Minnesota must really have some geniuses running their organization to have both towns and wiggins. Is every team that gets the first pick in the draft a genius or just lucky? Being really bad doesn't make you a genius. Now if you are getting compensated for another team being really bad like the celtics are with Brooklyn, that makes you a genius.

See my other comment. I dont necessarily agree with this viewpoint. The general public tends to have an ends justify the means mentality which may absolve him in the end. That's all I was saying.

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11/25/2015  10:08 AM
H1AND1 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:The bottom line is if the Sixers get Simmons in this draft Hinkie will be a genius.

he was a genius for getting embiid too, right?

Wow, then Minnesota must really have some geniuses running their organization to have both towns and wiggins. Is every team that gets the first pick in the draft a genius or just lucky? Being really bad doesn't make you a genius. Now if you are getting compensated for another team being really bad like the celtics are with Brooklyn, that makes you a genius.

See my other comment. I dont necessarily agree with this viewpoint. The general public tends to have an ends justify the means mentality which may absolve him in the end. That's all I was saying.

The Pelicans are 3-11 this year.

There are no one-player saviors in the NBA and I'm not sure a freshman playing his first 2 weeks of college ball will change that.

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11/25/2015  10:20 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/25/2015  10:20 AM
bigbasketballs wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:The bottom line is if the Sixers get Simmons in this draft Hinkie will be a genius.

he was a genius for getting embiid too, right?

Wow, then Minnesota must really have some geniuses running their organization to have both towns and wiggins. Is every team that gets the first pick in the draft a genius or just lucky? Being really bad doesn't make you a genius. Now if you are getting compensated for another team being really bad like the celtics are with Brooklyn, that makes you a genius.

See my other comment. I dont necessarily agree with this viewpoint. The general public tends to have an ends justify the means mentality which may absolve him in the end. That's all I was saying.

The Pelicans are 3-11 this year.

There are no one-player saviors in the NBA and I'm not sure a freshman playing his first 2 weeks of college ball will change that.

OK, OK, IM NOT SAYING WINNING THE LOTTERY WILL MAKE THEM GOOD. Actually, forget it, my point is not registering. Forget it.

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11/25/2015  10:47 AM
H1AND1 wrote:
bigbasketballs wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:The bottom line is if the Sixers get Simmons in this draft Hinkie will be a genius.

he was a genius for getting embiid too, right?

Wow, then Minnesota must really have some geniuses running their organization to have both towns and wiggins. Is every team that gets the first pick in the draft a genius or just lucky? Being really bad doesn't make you a genius. Now if you are getting compensated for another team being really bad like the celtics are with Brooklyn, that makes you a genius.

See my other comment. I dont necessarily agree with this viewpoint. The general public tends to have an ends justify the means mentality which may absolve him in the end. That's all I was saying.

The Pelicans are 3-11 this year.

There are no one-player saviors in the NBA and I'm not sure a freshman playing his first 2 weeks of college ball will change that.

OK, OK, IM NOT SAYING WINNING THE LOTTERY WILL MAKE THEM GOOD. Actually, forget it, my point is not registering. Forget it.

you are not the one registering... your point was heard, just nobody agrees with it. You can add the most talented young guys it doesnt matter if you dont build the team. Simmons isnt taking them worst to first, and the talent that is there will be desperate to leave.
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11/25/2015  11:20 AM
H1AND1 wrote:
bigbasketballs wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:The bottom line is if the Sixers get Simmons in this draft Hinkie will be a genius.

he was a genius for getting embiid too, right?

Wow, then Minnesota must really have some geniuses running their organization to have both towns and wiggins. Is every team that gets the first pick in the draft a genius or just lucky? Being really bad doesn't make you a genius. Now if you are getting compensated for another team being really bad like the celtics are with Brooklyn, that makes you a genius.

See my other comment. I dont necessarily agree with this viewpoint. The general public tends to have an ends justify the means mentality which may absolve him in the end. That's all I was saying.

The Pelicans are 3-11 this year.

There are no one-player saviors in the NBA and I'm not sure a freshman playing his first 2 weeks of college ball will change that.

OK, OK, IM NOT SAYING WINNING THE LOTTERY WILL MAKE THEM GOOD. Actually, forget it, my point is not registering. Forget it.

hard to make any point to a crowd that has zero interest in being objective.

Hinkie may be a genius or he may just be an idiot (in peoples eyes). Every genius was first viewed as an idiot.

Is Hinkie making genius moves? We really have no clue since we are all pretty clueless even if we think that we are closet GM's.

We pretty much know the Hinkie is a genius and we know that he is experimenting. Is he making idiot moves? We have not idea. Will Hinkie be looked at in five years as the GM-genius that got us Lebron or the idiot GM who got us Embiid and made us the laughing stock that we still are.

I personally have no idea what the outcome will be since I am obviously not as good of a GM as many on this board are.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
Hinkie's Sixers: Bad Plan, Bad Execution, or both?

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