martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:The guys who are usually great at the things you can't see or measure are scrubs...Scubs own the subjective stat column..If your are a starter and only taking 3 shots per then there are probably 8 to 10 teammates your coach would rather see shoot the ball..

And please stop with the contested rebound BS..What those numbers are telling me is he either doesn't box out well to get uncontested rebounds or he doesn't have the instinct to be in the right position to maximize rebounding or he is just plain lazy and doesn't hussle...I can't understand why a 7 footer can't grab 10 boards a game when it's your primary function...Melo rebounds at a higher clip..

dude, you need to learn to read into stats. Lopez career per 36 mins rebounding: 8.6; Melo: 6.6. Melo plays more minutes that Lopez.... great.

This 36 mins stuff just drives me insane...Every min in a game isn't equal..Stamina strength etc. plays a part your numbers when u actually play the minutes..

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:The guys who are usually great at the things you can't see or measure are scrubs...Scubs own the subjective stat column..If your are a starter and only taking 3 shots per then there are probably 8 to 10 teammates your coach would rather see shoot the ball..

And please stop with the contested rebound BS..What those numbers are telling me is he either doesn't box out well to get uncontested rebounds or he doesn't have the instinct to be in the right position to maximize rebounding or he is just plain lazy and doesn't hussle...I can't understand why a 7 footer can't grab 10 boards a game when it's your primary function...Melo rebounds at a higher clip..

dude, you need to learn to read into stats. Lopez career per 36 mins rebounding: 8.6; Melo: 6.6. Melo plays more minutes that Lopez.... great.

This 36 mins stuff just drives me insane...Every min in a game isn't equal..Stamina strength etc. plays a part your numbers when u actually play the minutes..

For sure, but when a player only averaged 10 minutes a game during 1 season it also brings his stats down, so don't spit out career numbesr without putting them into context. If you want to say Melo rebounds at a higher clip, then don't make an ass out of yourself, because he doesn't, he just plays more minutes.

But you also have to put the entire career into context..There could be many reasons he doesn't play Melo's minutes..I suspect it's because isn't that good a player but it could be because he is fragile and wears/breaks down..The coaching staff knows this and limits his playing time..Thst is a factor in his numbers..per 36 means nothing if you can't play the minutes for various reasons..

I have seems many times Melo scores 20 pts in the first quarter..Doesn't mean he will score 80..

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:Just savor this a bit, Lopez was the 5 best player in the starting lineup in Portland that got rolled in the first round of the playoffs..He is the second highest paid player on our team next year..

rolo is a very effective player and will be great here. but news flash, fred g.: lillard ain't all that-- sorry!-- and aldridge needs to tighten up his game a bunch. unless lillard improves a bunch he will be having "change of scenery."

portland's underachieving can be lain squarely at the feet of those two players.

Yeah right..They refused to resign/traded three starters because Aldridge left..They just backed up a Brinks truck for Lilliard..You can look at the playoff numbers to see who the real players are..Aldridge was playing with a torn ligament in his thumb..He said he couldn't feel around his thumb..

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:The guys who are usually great at the things you can't see or measure are scrubs...Scubs own the subjective stat column..If your are a starter and only taking 3 shots per then there are probably 8 to 10 teammates your coach would rather see shoot the ball..

And please stop with the contested rebound BS..What those numbers are telling me is he either doesn't box out well to get uncontested rebounds or he doesn't have the instinct to be in the right position to maximize rebounding or he is just plain lazy and doesn't hussle...I can't understand why a 7 footer can't grab 10 boards a game when it's your primary function...Melo rebounds at a higher clip..

The guys who are usually great at the things you can't see or measure are scrubs...Scubs own the subjective stat column..

What have I said that has not been measured? You think the numbers I have mentioned can't be seen or measured?

Per Ian Begley

Lopez allowed opponents to shoot just 48 percent at the rim last season.
Lopez ranked ahead of the following elite rim defenders: Marc Gasol, Anthony Davis, Tyson Chandler and DeAndre Jordan. Not bad.
In 2013-14, Lopez’s numbers as a rim protector were more impressive. He allowed opponents to shoot 46 percent at the rim, the NBA's second-best percentage behind Roy Hibbert.
For what it's worth, the Knicks as a team ranked 11th in the NBA in opponent field goal percentage at the rim last season. Lopez should boost those numbers in 2015-16.

You think scrubs can pull off what he does? Enough with the bull **** man.

If your are a starter and only taking 3 shots per then there are probably 8 to 10 teammates your coach would rather see shoot the ball.

Or he is being efficient and trying to maximise as many high % shots as possible and, Oh yes! when you are on a team that has guys like Damian Lillard, Wesley Matthews, Lamarcus Aldridge, and Nicolas Batum, you are not neccessarily going to get many oppurtunities to get your own shot off.

And please stop with the contested rebound BS..What those numbers are telling me is he either doesn't box out well to get uncontested rebounds or he doesn't have the instinct to be in the right position to maximize rebounding or he is just plain lazy and doesn't hussle...I can't understand why a 7 footer can't grab 10 boards a game when it's your primary function

This dosen't make any sense to me. If you are one of the top contested rebounders in the league, then that tells you that he is boxing out really well or is working hard to get to those rebounds. Holfresh answer me this question. Would you rather have a guy who can get you 5-7 hard earned, contested rebounds OR would you rather have a guy who will get you 8-10 uncontested rebounds?

Bro, do yourself a favor, stop listening to these guys that talk rim protection...DHow was swatting close to 3 shots a game in the playoffs..Lopez wasn't/can't do anything close to that..That's rim protection...DHow wa pulling down like 14 boards per in the playoffs..U gonna really tell me why Lopez numbers are better because it was contested??

Since when does a guy blocking 1 shot a game become a rim protector?..Stop it!!

so you value a block more than an altered shot? why?

1)where does the ball usually go on a blocked shot by dwight?
2)where does the ball go on an altered shot by lopez?

as far as your comparison with dwight howard... ehhh, is dwight howard really that great? he is a non passer/playmaker, and cannot shoot free throws and his footwork and post game are just.not.good.... you have to look at the player's game holistically to judge whether he has the makings of a winner.

lopez is closer to a complete player than dwight. i think he will excel here with what jackson is trying to do.

When healthy DHow is the best defensive player in the league..I can't believe u would even compare Lopez to DHow..How many shots DHow altered??..Really??

I guess that's why everyone was beating a path to Lopez door this offseason and we are lucky he picked us..

nixluva wrote:Robin Lopez

Per 100 Possessions Stats
Season	Age Tm  Pos G   GS  MP    FG   FGA   FG%   2P   2PA    2P%  FT	FTA   FT%  ORB	DRB  TRB   AST  STL  BLK  TOV  PF   PTS	  ORtg  DRtg WS/48	
2012-13	24  NOH C   82  82  2136  9.7  18.3  .534  9.7  18.3  .534  4.1 5.3  .778  5.7  6.0  11.7  1.6  0.8  3.2  2.8  4.2  23.6  114   110  .126
2013-14	25  POR	C   82  82  2603  6.9  12.5  .551  6.9  12.5  .552  3.8	4.7  .818  6.3  7.3  13.6  1.4  0.5  2.7  1.6  3.8  17.6  128   107  .176
2014-15	26  POR	C   59  59  1638  7.3  13.6  .535  7.3  13.6  .537  3.0	4.0  .772  5.9	6.3  12.3  1.7	0.5  2.6  2.3  3.8  17.6  117   104  .150   

RoLo has recently been playing at a much higher level than he started off. Last year he was off his game due to a broken hand and also just the issues with Portland in general last year. It's not hard to imagine him helping to anchor this team on both ends. He's not jump up and down good but he's a quality Center in this league. I don't even think he's played his best basketball yet.

i think he's going to be good for the knicks, and i foresee a good chemistry with kp6 in terms of interior passing and a ton of length on defense. i hope they see a lot of minutes together.

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:The guys who are usually great at the things you can't see or measure are scrubs...Scubs own the subjective stat column..If your are a starter and only taking 3 shots per then there are probably 8 to 10 teammates your coach would rather see shoot the ball..

And please stop with the contested rebound BS..What those numbers are telling me is he either doesn't box out well to get uncontested rebounds or he doesn't have the instinct to be in the right position to maximize rebounding or he is just plain lazy and doesn't hussle...I can't understand why a 7 footer can't grab 10 boards a game when it's your primary function...Melo rebounds at a higher clip..

The guys who are usually great at the things you can't see or measure are scrubs...Scubs own the subjective stat column..

What have I said that has not been measured? You think the numbers I have mentioned can't be seen or measured?

Per Ian Begley

Lopez allowed opponents to shoot just 48 percent at the rim last season.
Lopez ranked ahead of the following elite rim defenders: Marc Gasol, Anthony Davis, Tyson Chandler and DeAndre Jordan. Not bad.
In 2013-14, Lopez’s numbers as a rim protector were more impressive. He allowed opponents to shoot 46 percent at the rim, the NBA's second-best percentage behind Roy Hibbert.
For what it's worth, the Knicks as a team ranked 11th in the NBA in opponent field goal percentage at the rim last season. Lopez should boost those numbers in 2015-16.

You think scrubs can pull off what he does? Enough with the bull **** man.

If your are a starter and only taking 3 shots per then there are probably 8 to 10 teammates your coach would rather see shoot the ball.

Or he is being efficient and trying to maximise as many high % shots as possible and, Oh yes! when you are on a team that has guys like Damian Lillard, Wesley Matthews, Lamarcus Aldridge, and Nicolas Batum, you are not neccessarily going to get many oppurtunities to get your own shot off.

And please stop with the contested rebound BS..What those numbers are telling me is he either doesn't box out well to get uncontested rebounds or he doesn't have the instinct to be in the right position to maximize rebounding or he is just plain lazy and doesn't hussle...I can't understand why a 7 footer can't grab 10 boards a game when it's your primary function

This dosen't make any sense to me. If you are one of the top contested rebounders in the league, then that tells you that he is boxing out really well or is working hard to get to those rebounds. Holfresh answer me this question. Would you rather have a guy who can get you 5-7 hard earned, contested rebounds OR would you rather have a guy who will get you 8-10 uncontested rebounds?

Bro, do yourself a favor, stop listening to these guys that talk rim protection...DHow was swatting close to 3 shots a game in the playoffs..Lopez wasn't/can't do anything close to that..That's rim protection...DHow wa pulling down like 14 boards per in the playoffs..U gonna really tell me why Lopez numbers are better because it was contested??

Since when does a guy blocking 1 shot a game become a rim protector?..Stop it!!

Holfresh says
just ignore the clear facts that expert statistican provide and listen to my ludicrous statistical analysis.

Did I say anything about Dwight Howard? Did I say that Robin was a better rebounder? No. I am saying is that you shold not be busting his chops so much about his rebounding.

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:The guys who are usually great at the things you can't see or measure are scrubs...Scubs own the subjective stat column..If your are a starter and only taking 3 shots per then there are probably 8 to 10 teammates your coach would rather see shoot the ball..

And please stop with the contested rebound BS..What those numbers are telling me is he either doesn't box out well to get uncontested rebounds or he doesn't have the instinct to be in the right position to maximize rebounding or he is just plain lazy and doesn't hussle...I can't understand why a 7 footer can't grab 10 boards a game when it's your primary function...Melo rebounds at a higher clip..

The guys who are usually great at the things you can't see or measure are scrubs...Scubs own the subjective stat column..

What have I said that has not been measured? You think the numbers I have mentioned can't be seen or measured?

Per Ian Begley

Lopez allowed opponents to shoot just 48 percent at the rim last season.
Lopez ranked ahead of the following elite rim defenders: Marc Gasol, Anthony Davis, Tyson Chandler and DeAndre Jordan. Not bad.
In 2013-14, Lopez’s numbers as a rim protector were more impressive. He allowed opponents to shoot 46 percent at the rim, the NBA's second-best percentage behind Roy Hibbert.
For what it's worth, the Knicks as a team ranked 11th in the NBA in opponent field goal percentage at the rim last season. Lopez should boost those numbers in 2015-16.

You think scrubs can pull off what he does? Enough with the bull **** man.

If your are a starter and only taking 3 shots per then there are probably 8 to 10 teammates your coach would rather see shoot the ball.

Or he is being efficient and trying to maximise as many high % shots as possible and, Oh yes! when you are on a team that has guys like Damian Lillard, Wesley Matthews, Lamarcus Aldridge, and Nicolas Batum, you are not neccessarily going to get many oppurtunities to get your own shot off.

And please stop with the contested rebound BS..What those numbers are telling me is he either doesn't box out well to get uncontested rebounds or he doesn't have the instinct to be in the right position to maximize rebounding or he is just plain lazy and doesn't hussle...I can't understand why a 7 footer can't grab 10 boards a game when it's your primary function

This dosen't make any sense to me. If you are one of the top contested rebounders in the league, then that tells you that he is boxing out really well or is working hard to get to those rebounds. Holfresh answer me this question. Would you rather have a guy who can get you 5-7 hard earned, contested rebounds OR would you rather have a guy who will get you 8-10 uncontested rebounds?

Bro, do yourself a favor, stop listening to these guys that talk rim protection...DHow was swatting close to 3 shots a game in the playoffs..Lopez wasn't/can't do anything close to that..That's rim protection...DHow wa pulling down like 14 boards per in the playoffs..U gonna really tell me why Lopez numbers are better because it was contested??

Since when does a guy blocking 1 shot a game become a rim protector?..Stop it!!

Holfresh says
just ignore the clear facts that expert statistican provide and listen to my ludicrous statistical analysis.

Did I say anything about Dwight Howard? Did I say that Robin was a better rebounder? No. I am saying is that you shold not be busting his chops so much about his rebounding.

Experts???...These guys haven't a clue...Marc Gasol won DPOY, he wasn't/isn't the best defender on his team...LeBron was playing some of the best defense I have ever seen that year...When Tyson won DPOY, DHow should have won and LeBron was better that year as well...Defensive stats are a subjective matter...Good luck listening to these so called experts...

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:Just savor this a bit, Lopez was the 5 best player in the starting lineup in Portland that got rolled in the first round of the playoffs..He is the second highest paid player on our team next year..

rolo is a very effective player and will be great here. but news flash, fred g.: lillard ain't all that-- sorry!-- and aldridge needs to tighten up his game a bunch. unless lillard improves a bunch he will be having "change of scenery."

portland's underachieving can be lain squarely at the feet of those two players.

Yeah right..They refused to resign/traded three starters because Aldridge left..They just backed up a Brinks truck for Lilliard..You can look at the playoff numbers to see who the real players are..Aldridge was playing with a torn ligament in his thumb..He said he couldn't feel around his thumb..

then, as when clyde addressed felton's hand injury... don't shoot!

He was their best player, even with a bad hand, he was their best option...

if he can't shoot then he needs to do other things... like pass the rock and defend, for instance-- but hey guess what... that's not his game, which is why he decided to go to san antonio.

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:The guys who are usually great at the things you can't see or measure are scrubs...Scubs own the subjective stat column..If your are a starter and only taking 3 shots per then there are probably 8 to 10 teammates your coach would rather see shoot the ball..

And please stop with the contested rebound BS..What those numbers are telling me is he either doesn't box out well to get uncontested rebounds or he doesn't have the instinct to be in the right position to maximize rebounding or he is just plain lazy and doesn't hussle...I can't understand why a 7 footer can't grab 10 boards a game when it's your primary function...Melo rebounds at a higher clip..

The guys who are usually great at the things you can't see or measure are scrubs...Scubs own the subjective stat column..

What have I said that has not been measured? You think the numbers I have mentioned can't be seen or measured?

Per Ian Begley

Lopez allowed opponents to shoot just 48 percent at the rim last season.
Lopez ranked ahead of the following elite rim defenders: Marc Gasol, Anthony Davis, Tyson Chandler and DeAndre Jordan. Not bad.
In 2013-14, Lopez’s numbers as a rim protector were more impressive. He allowed opponents to shoot 46 percent at the rim, the NBA's second-best percentage behind Roy Hibbert.
For what it's worth, the Knicks as a team ranked 11th in the NBA in opponent field goal percentage at the rim last season. Lopez should boost those numbers in 2015-16.

You think scrubs can pull off what he does? Enough with the bull **** man.

If your are a starter and only taking 3 shots per then there are probably 8 to 10 teammates your coach would rather see shoot the ball.

Or he is being efficient and trying to maximise as many high % shots as possible and, Oh yes! when you are on a team that has guys like Damian Lillard, Wesley Matthews, Lamarcus Aldridge, and Nicolas Batum, you are not neccessarily going to get many oppurtunities to get your own shot off.

And please stop with the contested rebound BS..What those numbers are telling me is he either doesn't box out well to get uncontested rebounds or he doesn't have the instinct to be in the right position to maximize rebounding or he is just plain lazy and doesn't hussle...I can't understand why a 7 footer can't grab 10 boards a game when it's your primary function

This dosen't make any sense to me. If you are one of the top contested rebounders in the league, then that tells you that he is boxing out really well or is working hard to get to those rebounds. Holfresh answer me this question. Would you rather have a guy who can get you 5-7 hard earned, contested rebounds OR would you rather have a guy who will get you 8-10 uncontested rebounds?

Bro, do yourself a favor, stop listening to these guys that talk rim protection...DHow was swatting close to 3 shots a game in the playoffs..Lopez wasn't/can't do anything close to that..That's rim protection...DHow wa pulling down like 14 boards per in the playoffs..U gonna really tell me why Lopez numbers are better because it was contested??

Since when does a guy blocking 1 shot a game become a rim protector?..Stop it!!

Holfresh says
just ignore the clear facts that expert statistican provide and listen to my ludicrous statistical analysis.

Did I say anything about Dwight Howard? Did I say that Robin was a better rebounder? No. I am saying is that you shold not be busting his chops so much about his rebounding.

Experts???...These guys haven't a clue...Marc Gasol won DPOY, he wasn't/isn't the best defender on his team...LeBron was playing some of the best defense I have ever seen that year...When Tyson won DPOY, DHow should have won and LeBron was better that year as well...Defensive stats are a subjective matter...Good luck listening to these so called experts...

You make no sense. What does DPOY have to do with anything?The statistics I provided ,or ESPN provided rather, are gathered together by ESPN expert statisticans, the DPOY award is chosen by a panel of 120 sportswriters and broadcasters..