holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:What seems most clear to me now is that Phil wasn't really hot on Monroe or LMA. He most certainly could've put on the full court press if that was the case. He was very serious about DeAndre. After DeAndre it's clear the guys Phil ended up with are the guys he wanted IMO.

Once you get past the players we had no shot at getting, it was a very short list of players who Phil wanted in combination and we ended up with the guys he had on his list. The players Phil targeted make sense with the players we drafted and brought back. Money well spent for the most part. There's a bit more talent and upside on this roster than many are giving it credit for.

What seem clear to me is Phil is incompetent..U can't go from winning 17 games in the NBA to passing up on the best PF available...Melo and Aldridge with the right pieces can be a 50 win team next year...They can be contenders in the East..Now we are looking at a 30 win team...It doesn't make sense...

You are assuming that LMA would really have come here rather than SA. Being willing to listen doesn't mean LMA was destined to come to NY. I think Phil did the smart thing and moved on to more realistic options. Phil has opened up things for KP6 to be developed. There's no one in his way. That's going to pay dividends down the line. You seem to be only thinking about this one season. Phil is not.

As for having a 30 win team I think that's really just your own paranoia talking. I don't see how this team will be that bad. No team with quality defense is gonna end up winning only 30 games. You're buying into this notion that this team is somehow still stuck at 17 win level. That's totally false. Fully healthy even last year's team wouldn't have ended up with only 17 wins. The fact that Phil gutted the roster played a part in that as well as the other issues.

It stupid because you can't prejudge what's going to happen down the road..Phil's job is the assemble the best talent...Who know what KP will be..Phil at this point should not be concerned about KP's playing time, let the coach be concerned about that...Phil should be concerned about getting the best talent for the Knicks..I have never heard a GM not wanting on of the best players in the game at a position because it impact an unproven player's minutes..It's like Detriot saying we don't want Rasheed because it impact's Darko's minutes...It's just plain stupid...

no.

"assembling" is not what you are really saying. what you are really saying is what you have always been saying. namely, that the gm should just scoop up whatever talent is there regardless of how said talent actually fits. and then to top it off, the gm dumps that talent in the coach's lap and says "you figure it out."

that's not how it works. years of isiah thomas as gm has addled your already-feeble mind.

if you meant "assemble" as it is really meant, ie putting pieces together that fit, then you should be applauding what jackson is trying to do.

Melo is the only player on the team that is an NBA starter..Fit is not an issue...Phil isn't worried about fit, he is worried about Porzingis playing time...

no.

the context of your statement is about catering to melo. jackson has made it very clear by his draft choices that he is drafting for the knicks future, both medium and long term. phil has said that melo is the favorite son but he has to think about the knicks franchise too.

melo got his fu money but it is no longer his team. suh-weet! it is phil's team, and then fisher's team. this is the proper order of things, being ordered from the top down. the problem with the knicks since melo has been here is that it was dolan and melo's team. lunatics running the asylum. that is now over.

i look forward to the upcoming season, especially how melo conducts himself.

It has nothing to do with catering to your warped point of view...The only thing you see with regards to the Knicks is Melo, that has been proven on many boards that you post and it's sad..So having a discussion with you on this topic is pointless...

you're on tilt holfresh. what is this incoherent babble other than you throwing in the towel?

Your universe is Melo..Surely there has to be more to u than that?, no??

not only is my universe not melo, my universe is far beyond your comprehension. surely you've recognized this by now, yes?and yet you persist.

here's a bit of my universe:

frazier
debusschere RIP and god bless
cowens
mo malone
dennis johnson RIP and god bless
bird
mchale
stockton
joe dumars
olajuwon
shaq
pierce
ginobili
duncan
durant
blake griffin soon
gordon hayward soon
jimmie butler

who's in yours? this could get interesting

Yet 98% of your posts are about Melo..Even when the discussion is about Aldridge you make it about Melo..

wake up son: aldridge is 30 years old and went to san antonio because he wants to be properly mentored and trained to learn how to be a complete player and WIN. after realizing his limitations he made the right decisions. trouble is aldridge is a tad soft for a guy that operates in that part of the floor. it shows up in the bitch rebounds he gathers while lopez does all the hard-nosed work. he needs to tighten up his game in terms of shot selection and better passing too.

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:What seems most clear to me now is that Phil wasn't really hot on Monroe or LMA. He most certainly could've put on the full court press if that was the case. He was very serious about DeAndre. After DeAndre it's clear the guys Phil ended up with are the guys he wanted IMO.

Once you get past the players we had no shot at getting, it was a very short list of players who Phil wanted in combination and we ended up with the guys he had on his list. The players Phil targeted make sense with the players we drafted and brought back. Money well spent for the most part. There's a bit more talent and upside on this roster than many are giving it credit for.

What seem clear to me is Phil is incompetent..U can't go from winning 17 games in the NBA to passing up on the best PF available...Melo and Aldridge with the right pieces can be a 50 win team next year...They can be contenders in the East..Now we are looking at a 30 win team...It doesn't make sense...

You are assuming that LMA would really have come here rather than SA. Being willing to listen doesn't mean LMA was destined to come to NY. I think Phil did the smart thing and moved on to more realistic options. Phil has opened up things for KP6 to be developed. There's no one in his way. That's going to pay dividends down the line. You seem to be only thinking about this one season. Phil is not.

As for having a 30 win team I think that's really just your own paranoia talking. I don't see how this team will be that bad. No team with quality defense is gonna end up winning only 30 games. You're buying into this notion that this team is somehow still stuck at 17 win level. That's totally false. Fully healthy even last year's team wouldn't have ended up with only 17 wins. The fact that Phil gutted the roster played a part in that as well as the other issues.

It stupid because you can't prejudge what's going to happen down the road..Phil's job is the assemble the best talent...Who know what KP will be..Phil at this point should not be concerned about KP's playing time, let the coach be concerned about that...Phil should be concerned about getting the best talent for the Knicks..I have never heard a GM not wanting on of the best players in the game at a position because it impact an unproven player's minutes..It's like Detriot saying we don't want Rasheed because it impact's Darko's minutes...It's just plain stupid...

no.

"assembling" is not what you are really saying. what you are really saying is what you have always been saying. namely, that the gm should just scoop up whatever talent is there regardless of how said talent actually fits. and then to top it off, the gm dumps that talent in the coach's lap and says "you figure it out."

that's not how it works. years of isiah thomas as gm has addled your already-feeble mind.

if you meant "assemble" as it is really meant, ie putting pieces together that fit, then you should be applauding what jackson is trying to do.

Melo is the only player on the team that is an NBA starter..Fit is not an issue...Phil isn't worried about fit, he is worried about Porzingis playing time...

no.

the context of your statement is about catering to melo. jackson has made it very clear by his draft choices that he is drafting for the knicks future, both medium and long term. phil has said that melo is the favorite son but he has to think about the knicks franchise too.

melo got his fu money but it is no longer his team. suh-weet! it is phil's team, and then fisher's team. this is the proper order of things, being ordered from the top down. the problem with the knicks since melo has been here is that it was dolan and melo's team. lunatics running the asylum. that is now over.

i look forward to the upcoming season, especially how melo conducts himself.

It has nothing to do with catering to your warped point of view...The only thing you see with regards to the Knicks is Melo, that has been proven on many boards that you post and it's sad..So having a discussion with you on this topic is pointless...

you're on tilt holfresh. what is this incoherent babble other than you throwing in the towel?

Your universe is Melo..Surely there has to be more to u than that?, no??

not only is my universe not melo, my universe is far beyond your comprehension. surely you've recognized this by now, yes?and yet you persist.

here's a bit of my universe:

frazier
debusschere RIP and god bless
cowens
mo malone
dennis johnson RIP and god bless
bird
mchale
stockton
joe dumars
olajuwon
shaq
pierce
ginobili
duncan
durant
blake griffin soon
gordon hayward soon
jimmie butler

who's in yours? this could get interesting

Yet 98% of your posts are about Melo..Even when the discussion is about Aldridge you make it about Melo..

wake up son: aldridge is 30 years old and went to san antonio because he wants to be properly mentored and trained to learn how to be a complete player and WIN. after realizing his limitations he made the right decisions. trouble is aldridge is a tad soft for a guy that operates in that part of the floor. it shows up in the bitch rebounds he gathers while lopez does all the hard-nosed work. he needs to tighten up his game in terms of shot selection and better passing too.

Aldridge was pulling down 14 boards in the playoffs while Lopez was riding the pine..Lopez avg 23 mins per pulling down 4 boards..?..U are so clueless..

no.

he averaged 11.4 rebounds and shot 33% from the field with 1.8 assists. and i assure you more than several of those rebounds were the david lee bitch rebound type. someone posted in a thread within the last few days to that effect.

http://nyloncalculus.com/2015/07/06/robin-lopez-and-rebound-value/

"Among the set of 100 or so regular rotation bigs in the NBA last year, the lowest proportion of Lopez’s rebounds were these uncontested defensive types. Conversely his now ex-teammate LaMarcus Aldridge was among the leaders in highest proportion of uncontested defensive rebounds4:

RebTypes

This isn’t to suggest there was any sort of skullduggery going on in Portland. It could just as easily be that Lopez’s job was more to prevent his assignment (usually the opposition’s best offensive rebounder) from getting to the ball, which allowed Aldridge to use his greater mobility to track the ball down.5 That’s a sensible division of labor. But it does have the effect of making Lopez look like a “worse” rebounder than he probably is, when in actuality he was the guy most often sticking his nose in for the tough rebounds."

in other words, aldridge's rebound numbers are quite inflated, while lopez's rebounds are undervalued.

adjust both players for per 36-----> aldridge is at 9.7 and lopez is at 6.8

applying the formula to these numbers and aldridge's absolute rebounding value goes down to a little less than 4 rebounds a game.

lopez's goes down to 4.5.

in conclusion lopez is a slightly more valuable rebounder than aldridge.

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:What seems most clear to me now is that Phil wasn't really hot on Monroe or LMA. He most certainly could've put on the full court press if that was the case. He was very serious about DeAndre. After DeAndre it's clear the guys Phil ended up with are the guys he wanted IMO.

Once you get past the players we had no shot at getting, it was a very short list of players who Phil wanted in combination and we ended up with the guys he had on his list. The players Phil targeted make sense with the players we drafted and brought back. Money well spent for the most part. There's a bit more talent and upside on this roster than many are giving it credit for.

What seem clear to me is Phil is incompetent..U can't go from winning 17 games in the NBA to passing up on the best PF available...Melo and Aldridge with the right pieces can be a 50 win team next year...They can be contenders in the East..Now we are looking at a 30 win team...It doesn't make sense...

You are assuming that LMA would really have come here rather than SA. Being willing to listen doesn't mean LMA was destined to come to NY. I think Phil did the smart thing and moved on to more realistic options. Phil has opened up things for KP6 to be developed. There's no one in his way. That's going to pay dividends down the line. You seem to be only thinking about this one season. Phil is not.

As for having a 30 win team I think that's really just your own paranoia talking. I don't see how this team will be that bad. No team with quality defense is gonna end up winning only 30 games. You're buying into this notion that this team is somehow still stuck at 17 win level. That's totally false. Fully healthy even last year's team wouldn't have ended up with only 17 wins. The fact that Phil gutted the roster played a part in that as well as the other issues.

It stupid because you can't prejudge what's going to happen down the road..Phil's job is the assemble the best talent...Who know what KP will be..Phil at this point should not be concerned about KP's playing time, let the coach be concerned about that...Phil should be concerned about getting the best talent for the Knicks..I have never heard a GM not wanting on of the best players in the game at a position because it impact an unproven player's minutes..It's like Detriot saying we don't want Rasheed because it impact's Darko's minutes...It's just plain stupid...

no.

"assembling" is not what you are really saying. what you are really saying is what you have always been saying. namely, that the gm should just scoop up whatever talent is there regardless of how said talent actually fits. and then to top it off, the gm dumps that talent in the coach's lap and says "you figure it out."

that's not how it works. years of isiah thomas as gm has addled your already-feeble mind.

if you meant "assemble" as it is really meant, ie putting pieces together that fit, then you should be applauding what jackson is trying to do.

Melo is the only player on the team that is an NBA starter..Fit is not an issue...Phil isn't worried about fit, he is worried about Porzingis playing time...

no.

the context of your statement is about catering to melo. jackson has made it very clear by his draft choices that he is drafting for the knicks future, both medium and long term. phil has said that melo is the favorite son but he has to think about the knicks franchise too.

melo got his fu money but it is no longer his team. suh-weet! it is phil's team, and then fisher's team. this is the proper order of things, being ordered from the top down. the problem with the knicks since melo has been here is that it was dolan and melo's team. lunatics running the asylum. that is now over.

i look forward to the upcoming season, especially how melo conducts himself.

It has nothing to do with catering to your warped point of view...The only thing you see with regards to the Knicks is Melo, that has been proven on many boards that you post and it's sad..So having a discussion with you on this topic is pointless...

you're on tilt holfresh. what is this incoherent babble other than you throwing in the towel?

Your universe is Melo..Surely there has to be more to u than that?, no??

not only is my universe not melo, my universe is far beyond your comprehension. surely you've recognized this by now, yes?and yet you persist.

here's a bit of my universe:

frazier
debusschere RIP and god bless
cowens
mo malone
dennis johnson RIP and god bless
bird
mchale
stockton
joe dumars
olajuwon
shaq
pierce
ginobili
duncan
durant
blake griffin soon
gordon hayward soon
jimmie butler

who's in yours? this could get interesting

Yet 98% of your posts are about Melo..Even when the discussion is about Aldridge you make it about Melo..

wake up son: aldridge is 30 years old and went to san antonio because he wants to be properly mentored and trained to learn how to be a complete player and WIN. after realizing his limitations he made the right decisions. trouble is aldridge is a tad soft for a guy that operates in that part of the floor. it shows up in the bitch rebounds he gathers while lopez does all the hard-nosed work. he needs to tighten up his game in terms of shot selection and better passing too.

Aldridge was pulling down 14 boards in the playoffs while Lopez was riding the pine..Lopez avg 23 mins per pulling down 4 boards..?..U are so clueless..

no.

he averaged 11.4 rebounds and shot 33% from the field with 1.8 assists. and i assure you more than several of those rebounds were the david lee bitch rebound type. someone posted in a thread within the last few days to that effect.

http://nyloncalculus.com/2015/07/06/robin-lopez-and-rebound-value/

"Among the set of 100 or so regular rotation bigs in the NBA last year, the lowest proportion of Lopez’s rebounds were these uncontested defensive types. Conversely his now ex-teammate LaMarcus Aldridge was among the leaders in highest proportion of uncontested defensive rebounds4:

RebTypes

This isn’t to suggest there was any sort of skullduggery going on in Portland. It could just as easily be that Lopez’s job was more to prevent his assignment (usually the opposition’s best offensive rebounder) from getting to the ball, which allowed Aldridge to use his greater mobility to track the ball down.5 That’s a sensible division of labor. But it does have the effect of making Lopez look like a “worse” rebounder than he probably is, when in actuality he was the guy most often sticking his nose in for the tough rebounds."

in other words, aldridge's rebound numbers are quite inflated, while lopez's rebounds are undervalued.

adjust both players for per 36-----> aldridge is at 9.7 and lopez is at 6.8

applying the formula to these numbers and aldridge's absolute rebounding value goes down to a little less than 4 rebounds a game.

lopez's goes down to 4.5.

in conclusion lopez is a slightly more valuable rebounder than aldridge.

I can rebutt but who cares..We are the Knicks and they are the Spurs..Who do u want to bet made the wise choice..We will continue to lose and they will continue to win..And u will feel good because Melo is losing..