RonRon wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Finestrg wrote:You honestly don't consider Maurice Ndour a higher-end talent and therefore more of a priority to keep over LT or Lou Amundson? Or Alexey Shved for that matter? This is where people seem to be split on this issue. A good-looking young player with a promising future beyond just this coming year vs. 2 fringe NBA hanger-ons...See for me, Lance and Lou's "experience" means very little, so little I don't even consider it an asset when talking about either player.. They're not good players, certainly not good enough to get the guaranteed, cap-impacting money they did, not when there were still more-talented, higher-priority players out there we should've been focused on adding/motivated to bring back. I still think we should be in the accumulation phase in terms of bringing in talent, definitely before overspending to bring back two players who offer so little....Not trying to be a dick by any means--just asking a legit basketball pound for pound talent comparison question, taking all available info into account--Ndour's very good college numbers across the board, his SL play, Alexey Shved's very good body of work as a primary player with the ball in his hands within the triangle system, etc..

I think as i've said in other posts that we have to remember that we don't always look at things from Phil's standpoint. I liked Shved and was a big supporter of him before most of the forum was believing in him. I think that in Shved's case Phil had a price on him and wasn't willing to go above that price. This all comes after he added Jerian and Afflalo to the mix, who he most likely believes will soak up a good amount of the minutes along with Jose and Gallo. So in Phil's calculation the spot that Shved would now be filling isn't as high as it was when he didn't have Jerian and Afflalo in the mix. The spot left is just a low cost spot from what I can gather at this point. Some fans just aren't thinking about how the roster has changed and that maybe Phil just wasn't as hard up for Shved after he added 2 better players to the roster.

As for Ndour, I know he was pretty impressive in SL but it didn't work out as Phil may have planned, given the really over the top offer that Dallas made. Dallas was in a much more desperate position. We already have forwards who we know can actually function in the offense and defend. People may not like LT and Lou but they're proven to be good in practice and can fill in during games with no problem. We have guys ahead of them that will be rotation players. We have about 2 spots left and all of this Phil criticism seems a bit overdone.

What I think this really says about those who are making a huge deal about this is that they don't really have much faith in the players we have who are most likely to be major rotation players for this team and not very likely to be pushed out by anyone we add from here.

1.  Melo 
2.  RoLo 
3.  Afflalo 
4.  Jerian 
5.  KP 
6.  Jose 
7.  Galloway 
8.  O'Quinn
9.  DWill 
10. Early
11. Ledo
12. LT
13. Lou
14. Saunders???
15. Atkins???

NixLuva FEELS WHATEVER PHIL JACKSON DOES IS THE CHOICE OF GOD and CAN NOT BE WRONG
HE IS HERE TO PREACH HIS KNOWLEDGE OF THE PYRAMIDS
PRIOR, DANTONI WAS HIS LEADER and STILL STAYS LOYAL TO HIM TODAY
WHEN Phi Jackson said the 3point comments, it put NixLuva in a awkward situation, a disciple of both PJ and

Hey NixLuva, this is a message board, unless you know Phil Jackson personally, please do not preach what you think what he thinks you and can channel his inner thoughts
You come off as VERY FAKE to me and it is to the point that that just justify EVERY MOVE of Phil Jackson, his roster, and his moves/or lack of moves, ALL IS THE BEST DIRECTION FOR THE TEAM

For God Sakes you were one of the HUGE SUPPORTERS for a TRADE IN AB, justifying it as a steal with 2010 videos on him while skipping the other years
He was an amnesty candidate that we used 1 1st rounder, 2 2nd rounders on, and if we added in a future 1st rounder we easily would have got multiple choices to choose from, 2nd/3rd tier STAR like a Battum

If you job is to convince Phil Jackson with your "fake supporters" you are not doing a very good job in fact you are doing the opposite with the annoyance factor

FineStrng IS RIGHT, just let him vent about it and ALL he has to say about it

Derrick Williams

Shved
AB

Then N Dour

but RESIGNING both Lance Thomas and Lou Amundson with 3m COMBINED, that we could use for other FA's
While we are penny pinching with the other FA's that have more potential/skill/upside/trade value than both our 15th man in Lou Amundson and LANCE THOMAS
We offered Shved the vet min, we didnt offer AB ANY CONTRACT, N Dour has the upside to be higher than Derrick Williams while Williams has at least 10m invested in to him for the next 2 years

I like Derrick Williams, however, he has NO LEVERAGE on his contract, he is closer to a vet min to 3m at best with a TEAM OPTION on 2nd year
With players like Gereld Green, Wesley Johnson, and Josh Smith signing vet min contracts, those guys are better players than Derrick Williams
He simply was not a NEED that we should have used leverage against with the way he has struggled the past couple of seasons

RonRon, I have no idea why you're attacking me! I will say that all I posted above was the mere reality of the situation. Guys like Ndour or Atkins are going to be fighting for any minutes on this team. The players who figure into the top of the rotation are pretty much all set. If we could get better players we would have.

Phil is not anti 3pt shot or PnR, so why would it be a conflict for me? YOU are the one, along with the media, that didn't understand what Phil was trying to say. OVER RELIANCE on the 3 and PnR is what he was mainly disagreeing with. It's hard to fully flesh out all of that in Tweets. Phil managed to have some of the most efficient offensive teams and win titles without over reliance on the 3 or PnR. Phil has had some of the best 3pt shooters in the league on his teams. Clearly he wasn't anti 3pt shot.

What I really dislike is when a poster digs into other crap that has nothing to do with the thread in order to take low blows at someone. WTF are you bringing up Bargs just to bash me? It has nothing to do with the posts in this thread. I didn't attack you with some unrelated crap. How would you like it if I dig thru the years and find something you wrote and just introduce it into any thread you post in???

With regard to Bargs, the Knicks were just coming off a Playoff run the year before and were in a Win Now Mode. There was no reason to expect that the team would not remain in a playoff mode and under those circumstances I felt the trade made sense. IF there was a chance to try and go further in the post season, I thought it was worth a shot. It didn't work out as I had hoped.

nixluva wrote:This is a good deal IMO. For one thing we're talking about adding a legit player who can score and has great size. He's not a perfect player, but then that's why we have a shot at adding him. We needed scoring and Bargs is a gifted scorer. I don't care about future draft picks at this point in time. THIS IS A NOW TEAM and we can't waste anymore time trying to get to an ECF and a chance to go to the Finals. It's either try moves like this or start over by blowing it all up now. That's not an option, so you've got to try and add talent.

We need more talent... period. This could be a new start for Bargs. Sometimes players need a change of surroundings and in NY he won't be the top dawg so he can relax a bit and just play. I think it's worth a shot, cuz the rest of the East isn't getting any easier. He's a player that should work well with Melo's game.

Bargs issue wasn't his talent but his health or lack there of and his passion for the game. I was only speaking to the skills he had and how they could help our team try to go further in the playoffs. The picks take on more meaning now because the team failed so miserably. Obviously the hope was that the team would win games.

Now that i've responded, PLEASE lets not have any more about Bargs in this thread.