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Harvey Araton: If You Read Phil Jackson’s Mind, Carmelo Anthony Is in Small Type
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7/15/2015  9:23 PM
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/16/sports/basketball/if-you-read-phil-jacksons-mind-carmelo-anthony-is-in-small-type.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&_r=0

By admittedly not consulting or even speaking with Carmelo Anthony during a rash of recent free-agent signings for the Knicks, what, exactly, was Phil Jackson trying to tell him?

Perhaps nothing, but given Jackson’s historically – shall we say – eccentric communications skills, more likely something.

Let’s make an educated guess:

With all due respect, Carmelo, it’s not all about you anymore. That was last summer, when you had the leverage, the freedom to hand-pick a competitive environment more to your liking. But you chose the extra money and the New York stage on which to build your personal brand. You signed on for a team rebuild, which came with no discernible or guaranteed timetable.

If you thought I was promising Marc Gasol, LaMarcus Aldridge or even Greg Monroe, you were mistaken, or deluded. If that wasn’t clear when you re-signed, it should have been by February, when the season had turned into a Zen catastrophe and I told the New York Times that “my experiment has fallen flat on its face.”

As team president, I am responsible but, face it, you weren’t quite an early most valuable player candidate, and then you were hurt and obsessed with the All-Star Game and now you’re the 31-year-old, surgically repaired leader of a 17-win team.

Not that I’m counting, but you also have been beyond the first round of the playoffs twice in 12 years. Your peers have noticed.

It’s like I told the beat guys out here in Vegas the other night: “There’s some longshots out there that we took. But the reality was we wanted what we got.”

Notice the well-parsed phrasing, how I didn’t say we got what we wanted when referring to Robin Lopez, your buddy Arron Afflalo and a few guys I’d actually never heard of until we resorted to Plan C, or D.

Nor were you thrilled, I understand, with the draft, wishing that we had traded down for another veteran player and had the last laugh – like Pat Riley in Miami – when an authentic American graduate of March Madness like Justise Winslow slipped all the way to No. 10.

Have you been watching summer league on television? Winslow is not going to soon be Jimmy Butler. D’Angelo Russell can’t dribble three feet without throwing the ball to a stranger. (LOL, Kobe.) These kids all look like the teenage novices they are.

If that is too late for your plan of winning a Knicks championship in your prime, my suggestion is that you embrace the reality that you not only signed up for, but helped to create.


That’s right, this franchise stripped itself of assets to acquire you back in 2011, when you made it clear to Mr. Dolan that you were going to get paid before the coming lockout and would do so in New Jersey and Brooklyn if need be. Poor Donnie Walsh was ordered to surrender everything to Denver except Walt Frazier’s wardrobe.

You could have waited to sign as a free agent for the sake of the franchise’s well-being – and yours by extension. We all want to earn but you did set the consequences in motion and, again, had a chance to escape them last summer. You didn’t. You stayed. Now deal with your decision, grow as a player and as a leader.

That’s the best way to begin recalibrating your enigmatic standing, the most positive advance you can make toward the rest of a career still rich in opportunity. Stop making it all about championship odds that would not be favorable unless you joined a small handful of teams, almost all of whom don’t need or want you.

Remember Scottie Pippen? His reputation in this sport grew exponentially in 1993-94, when Michael went on hiatus from the Bulls and Scottie led us to 55 wins and a near upset of the Patrick Ewing Knicks in the second round. For the record, that was also a supreme triumph of the triangle.

The beat guys have been pushing me for a 2015-16 prognostication, but, no thanks, I already made the mistake of flatly forecasting the playoffs last season. I only said that an improvement of 30 wins would be daunting. But imagine, Carmelo, if you set an example, lifted all those around you, carried our improved, though hardly formidable, cast to the seventh or eighth playoff spot in a conference that remains fluid at the lower end.

Think of how much more desirable we could be to next summer’s free agents, or you would be if we mutually decided the best thing was a trade.

In the meantime, I will continue to eschew the kind of tough talk demonstrated in Indianapolis by Larry Bird, when asked about Paul George’s reluctance on playing power forward.

“He don’t make the decisions around here,” Bird said.

Such a hayseed, that Larry. Let’s join hands, work together. Call your new teammates. Take the young Latvian under your wing, out to dinner. Make sure he orders dessert.

Flip the popular news media spin of how the Knicks have failed you by not delivering a companion star. As a student of history, let me paraphrase John F. Kennedy: ask not what your franchise can do for you; ask what you can do for your franchise.


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Man why don't you give it up! This **** ain't about Anthony. I don't know why you guys see it that way. This mess is about Phil Jackson and his inability to sign stars. It's not about Anthony. Hell he is sipping wine with LeBron and the boys. The game is about the players and the star players. Now in New York its about Phil Jackson and it will be all about Phil and that damn triangle. When Phil played the Triangle he had 3 stars the Knicks only have one. The word that some of the player was that during interviews Phil was arrogant and making it about him and its not about Phil.
I believe that Phil Jackson have no idea about being a GM


And who were the 3 stars in Chicago cause i can only count one and some good players that played with him?? Obviously you're gonna say S.Pippen but he wasn't a star he just looked really good playing with Jordan but i have no idea who you'll say was the 3rd cause there definitely wasn't a 3rd one there.

GTFO Pippen wasnt a star lol. All 30 owners would take a young Scottie Pippen over Melo without hesitation.


Yeah he was great when he didn't have Jordan in Portland wasn't he?? Hahahahah He was a good player but not a star. So you can now GTFO.

Do you realize how old Pippen was when he went to Houston and Portland?


Ummmmm of course i do and i also realize his numbers fell off as soon as he left Chicago. No matter what you say you won't convince me and the other half of the world that Scottie was a star.
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7/15/2015  9:24 PM
Pippen wouldn't go in the game for that last shot when he was going to be a decoy and Kukoc was taking the shot. I thought that vilified him.
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7/15/2015  9:26 PM
fishmike wrote:lol at this witchhunt. This is well written article with the same substance that Berman, Isola and Stephen A put out there. At least this guy is upfront about that. People seemed to gloss over that.

When did a rich jock become so important?

People really hate this player for interesting reasons. My favorite part of this latest surge of Melo-drama is I have never seen so many articles written about a player's feelings.

Lets talk about some of the recent groundbreaking stories..

I mean if someone posts a picture of Melo pouting its in the tabloids the next day with "MElo hate's Phil's moves" written under it.

If Melo didn't tweet "this is the best thing that's ever happened to the Knicks" its obvious he's being passive aggressive about the draft.

If Melo is bummed a guy he played with for 2 years is off the team its obvious that he feels lied too by Phil.

If Melo tweets "we got a steal" about the draft pick its obviously damage control over his brand because he did it a day late.

If Melo spoke w/ KP directly to tell him the stuff he's reading is bull****, and welcome to the Knicks it means... Im at a loss here but it sure made KP's big brother happy. Surely there is a good selfserving MElo first reason for doing that right? Chuck? Guns? Help me out here...

Whatever... enjoy the ride. This is not defense of Melo. This is me honestly puzzled by this bizarre phenomenon. Easy to dislike guys.. look at all the ARod venom. Whats interesting is the Melo hate isn't wide spread. He had no problem hobbling his way to an all star start. Players around the league like him. Yes he's not Lebron or that type of alpha leader, but he IS liked. What is interesting is the fans and media who don't like him utterly despise him. Like Rush hates Barak despise. Like Sunnis hate Shiites despise.

When did Melo say this is his team? Fact extrapolated from forcing Dolan to trade and pay him twice right?

Melo is a philanthropist and his charities are ranked among the highest because he pays the operating costs out of his pocket, as opposed to using the donation revenue to fund more fun raising as most charities do. But that article is BOOOOO-RING.

Im labeled as the MElo lover and defender here. I once really couldn't stand him. I was vocal about that and the reasons. He got MDA fired and had no excuses. He followed that with player of the month and a playoff berth. Oh... about that.

Before Melo: 9 seasons, 1 playoff berth and it was that 39 win Lenny Wilkins team that got swept by the Nets.
After Melo its 3 straight playoff berths and the first series win 10+ years (but folks want to credit Jason Kidd who scored 2 baskets in the entire playoffs). And lets not forget it was Melo who forced the Knicks to trade every decent role player for Bargs sending out a pick. Has Melo brought the Knicks to the promise land? Pa-lease. Was the team immediately better with his arrival? After 9 years of losing records it certainly was.

I don't really care if people like this guy or not. At the end of the day he's rich jock and how he feels doesn't matter, so long as he's putting the ball in the basket. What I would ask to the stout supporters of this well written essay is what the phuck did Melo do to deserve such honest to goodness hate? I mean disappointment? Sure. Fine. No prob. I'm not enamored with the "Melo era" much either. I don't want his head on a stake, I don't pretend to know his feelings and I find the vocal group who feed into this stuff like its Kardashian fodder to be pretty delusional. The amount of venom simply doesn't match the crimes, which consist of getting paid and not being Lebron James.

This is not basketball.

Great Post Fish...my sentiments exactly!

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7/15/2015  9:27 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Pippen wouldn't go in the game for that last shot when he was going to be a decoy and Kukoc was taking the shot. I thought that vilified him.

Yeah that's when he was pouting like a whiny little baby cause he was jealous of Kukoc.

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7/15/2015  9:38 PM
Scottie Pippen is a top 50 player...Bleacher put out a piece saying he should be top 20 of all time...Rodman was one of the best defender/best rebounders in the history of the NBA..

Bro u can't be serious..U are embarrassing yourself..Is this immature hour?.
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7/15/2015  9:47 PM
holfresh wrote:Scottie Pippen is a top 50 player...Bleacher put out a piece saying he should be top 20 of all time...Rodman was one of the best defender/best rebounders in the history of the NBA..

Bro u can't be serious..U are embarrassing yourself..Is this immature hour?.

yes ... scottie was a great 2 way player. What he did without Jordan really helped him too.

Jordan sucked without pippen on washington so I think that it was really all pippen

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/15/2015  9:54 PM
fishmike wrote:lol at this witchhunt. This is well written article with the same substance that Berman, Isola and Stephen A put out there. At least this guy is upfront about that. People seemed to gloss over that.

When did a rich jock become so important?

People really hate this player for interesting reasons. My favorite part of this latest surge of Melo-drama is I have never seen so many articles written about a player's feelings.

Lets talk about some of the recent groundbreaking stories..

I mean if someone posts a picture of Melo pouting its in the tabloids the next day with "MElo hate's Phil's moves" written under it.

If Melo didn't tweet "this is the best thing that's ever happened to the Knicks" its obvious he's being passive aggressive about the draft.

If Melo is bummed a guy he played with for 2 years is off the team its obvious that he feels lied too by Phil.

If Melo tweets "we got a steal" about the draft pick its obviously damage control over his brand because he did it a day late.

If Melo spoke w/ KP directly to tell him the stuff he's reading is bull****, and welcome to the Knicks it means... Im at a loss here but it sure made KP's big brother happy. Surely there is a good selfserving MElo first reason for doing that right? Chuck? Guns? Help me out here...

Whatever... enjoy the ride. This is not defense of Melo. This is me honestly puzzled by this bizarre phenomenon. Easy to dislike guys.. look at all the ARod venom. Whats interesting is the Melo hate isn't wide spread. He had no problem hobbling his way to an all star start. Players around the league like him. Yes he's not Lebron or that type of alpha leader, but he IS liked. What is interesting is the fans and media who don't like him utterly despise him. Like Rush hates Barak despise. Like Sunnis hate Shiites despise.

When did Melo say this is his team? Fact extrapolated from forcing Dolan to trade and pay him twice right?

Melo is a philanthropist and his charities are ranked among the highest because he pays the operating costs out of his pocket, as opposed to using the donation revenue to fund more fun raising as most charities do. But that article is BOOOOO-RING.

Im labeled as the MElo lover and defender here. I once really couldn't stand him. I was vocal about that and the reasons. He got MDA fired and had no excuses. He followed that with player of the month and a playoff berth. Oh... about that.

Before Melo: 9 seasons, 1 playoff berth and it was that 39 win Lenny Wilkins team that got swept by the Nets.
After Melo its 3 straight playoff berths and the first series win 10+ years (but folks want to credit Jason Kidd who scored 2 baskets in the entire playoffs). And lets not forget it was Melo who forced the Knicks to trade every decent role player for Bargs sending out a pick. Has Melo brought the Knicks to the promise land? Pa-lease. Was the team immediately better with his arrival? After 9 years of losing records it certainly was.

I don't really care if people like this guy or not. At the end of the day he's rich jock and how he feels doesn't matter, so long as he's putting the ball in the basket. What I would ask to the stout supporters of this well written essay is what the phuck did Melo do to deserve such honest to goodness hate? I mean disappointment? Sure. Fine. No prob. I'm not enamored with the "Melo era" much either. I don't want his head on a stake, I don't pretend to know his feelings and I find the vocal group who feed into this stuff like its Kardashian fodder to be pretty delusional. The amount of venom simply doesn't match the crimes, which consist of getting paid and not being Lebron James.

This is not basketball.

excellent post

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7/15/2015  9:55 PM
@fishmike you want to credit Melo with 3 straight playoff berths and 1 round won, be my guest.

But you have to play the other side of the sword too then. 2 straight awful seasons, and the worst season in franchise history as well.

If you give him credit for success, you have to give him credit for failure as well. 3 coaches under his watch as well.

Guess which side of the sword its on currently? Some one has to fall on it, and I have $124m bet on who's most deserving.

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7/15/2015  9:59 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:@fishmike you want to credit Melo with 3 straight playoff berths and 1 round won, be my guest.

But you have to play the other side of the sword too then. 2 straight awful seasons, and the worst season in franchise history as well.

If you give him credit for success, you have to give him credit for failure as well. 3 coaches under his watch as well.

Guess which side of the sword its on currently? Some one has to fall on it, and I have $124m bet on who's most deserving.

Is this a joke?

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7/15/2015  10:09 PM
wh4t wrote:
fishmike wrote:lol at this witchhunt. This is well written article with the same substance that Berman, Isola and Stephen A put out there. At least this guy is upfront about that. People seemed to gloss over that.

When did a rich jock become so important?

People really hate this player for interesting reasons. My favorite part of this latest surge of Melo-drama is I have never seen so many articles written about a player's feelings.

Lets talk about some of the recent groundbreaking stories..

I mean if someone posts a picture of Melo pouting its in the tabloids the next day with "MElo hate's Phil's moves" written under it.

If Melo didn't tweet "this is the best thing that's ever happened to the Knicks" its obvious he's being passive aggressive about the draft.

If Melo is bummed a guy he played with for 2 years is off the team its obvious that he feels lied too by Phil.

If Melo tweets "we got a steal" about the draft pick its obviously damage control over his brand because he did it a day late.

If Melo spoke w/ KP directly to tell him the stuff he's reading is bull****, and welcome to the Knicks it means... Im at a loss here but it sure made KP's big brother happy. Surely there is a good selfserving MElo first reason for doing that right? Chuck? Guns? Help me out here...

Whatever... enjoy the ride. This is not defense of Melo. This is me honestly puzzled by this bizarre phenomenon. Easy to dislike guys.. look at all the ARod venom. Whats interesting is the Melo hate isn't wide spread. He had no problem hobbling his way to an all star start. Players around the league like him. Yes he's not Lebron or that type of alpha leader, but he IS liked. What is interesting is the fans and media who don't like him utterly despise him. Like Rush hates Barak despise. Like Sunnis hate Shiites despise.

When did Melo say this is his team? Fact extrapolated from forcing Dolan to trade and pay him twice right?

Melo is a philanthropist and his charities are ranked among the highest because he pays the operating costs out of his pocket, as opposed to using the donation revenue to fund more fun raising as most charities do. But that article is BOOOOO-RING.

Im labeled as the MElo lover and defender here. I once really couldn't stand him. I was vocal about that and the reasons. He got MDA fired and had no excuses. He followed that with player of the month and a playoff berth. Oh... about that.

Before Melo: 9 seasons, 1 playoff berth and it was that 39 win Lenny Wilkins team that got swept by the Nets.
After Melo its 3 straight playoff berths and the first series win 10+ years (but folks want to credit Jason Kidd who scored 2 baskets in the entire playoffs). And lets not forget it was Melo who forced the Knicks to trade every decent role player for Bargs sending out a pick. Has Melo brought the Knicks to the promise land? Pa-lease. Was the team immediately better with his arrival? After 9 years of losing records it certainly was.

I don't really care if people like this guy or not. At the end of the day he's rich jock and how he feels doesn't matter, so long as he's putting the ball in the basket. What I would ask to the stout supporters of this well written essay is what the phuck did Melo do to deserve such honest to goodness hate? I mean disappointment? Sure. Fine. No prob. I'm not enamored with the "Melo era" much either. I don't want his head on a stake, I don't pretend to know his feelings and I find the vocal group who feed into this stuff like its Kardashian fodder to be pretty delusional. The amount of venom simply doesn't match the crimes, which consist of getting paid and not being Lebron James.

This is not basketball.

excellent post

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7/15/2015  10:19 PM
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:@fishmike you want to credit Melo with 3 straight playoff berths and 1 round won, be my guest.

But you have to play the other side of the sword too then. 2 straight awful seasons, and the worst season in franchise history as well.

If you give him credit for success, you have to give him credit for failure as well. 3 coaches under his watch as well.

Guess which side of the sword its on currently? Some one has to fall on it, and I have $124m bet on who's most deserving.

Is this a joke?

@holfresh stop taking critical Melo posts so personal.

Makes you look like a groupie.

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7/15/2015  10:24 PM
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holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:@fishmike you want to credit Melo with 3 straight playoff berths and 1 round won, be my guest.

But you have to play the other side of the sword too then. 2 straight awful seasons, and the worst season in franchise history as well.

If you give him credit for success, you have to give him credit for failure as well. 3 coaches under his watch as well.

Guess which side of the sword its on currently? Some one has to fall on it, and I have $124m bet on who's most deserving.

Is this a joke?

@holfresh stop taking critical Melo posts so personal.

Makes you look like a groupie.

ha!

I love the new you

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/15/2015  10:36 PM
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holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:@fishmike you want to credit Melo with 3 straight playoff berths and 1 round won, be my guest.

But you have to play the other side of the sword too then. 2 straight awful seasons, and the worst season in franchise history as well.

If you give him credit for success, you have to give him credit for failure as well. 3 coaches under his watch as well.

Guess which side of the sword its on currently? Some one has to fall on it, and I have $124m bet on who's most deserving.

Is this a joke?

@holfresh stop taking critical Melo posts so personal.

Makes you look like a groupie.

Not personal at all..U just look silly trying to hang the 17 win season on Melo..U look silly blaming Melo for the 37 win season which was the best in his career..3rd in MVP voting..If poster don't know you then your cred just took a major hit...

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7/15/2015  10:37 PM
knickscity wrote:It's a very good article, the only one's I can see disagreeing are folks bent on defending melo over wanting whats best foir the team.

Can someone explain what is with this argument? It seems every time someone doesn't join in on bashing Melo, the bold is what they're hit with (surprisingly, I can't recall having that said to me). Why?
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7/15/2015  10:42 PM
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:@fishmike you want to credit Melo with 3 straight playoff berths and 1 round won, be my guest.

But you have to play the other side of the sword too then. 2 straight awful seasons, and the worst season in franchise history as well.

If you give him credit for success, you have to give him credit for failure as well. 3 coaches under his watch as well.

Guess which side of the sword its on currently? Some one has to fall on it, and I have $124m bet on who's most deserving.

Is this a joke?

@holfresh stop taking critical Melo posts so personal.

Makes you look like a groupie.

Not personal at all..U just look silly trying to hang the 17 win season on Melo..U look silly blaming Melo for the 37 win season which was the best in his career..3rd in MVP voting..If poster don't know you then your cred just took a major hit...

Lol Melo got 3rd in MVP voting in a 37 win season?!?

Wow, just wow.

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7/15/2015  10:46 PM
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:@fishmike you want to credit Melo with 3 straight playoff berths and 1 round won, be my guest.

But you have to play the other side of the sword too then. 2 straight awful seasons, and the worst season in franchise history as well.

If you give him credit for success, you have to give him credit for failure as well. 3 coaches under his watch as well.

Guess which side of the sword its on currently? Some one has to fall on it, and I have $124m bet on who's most deserving.

Is this a joke?

@holfresh stop taking critical Melo posts so personal.

Makes you look like a groupie.

Not personal at all..U just look silly trying to hang the 17 win season on Melo..U look silly blaming Melo for the 37 win season which was the best in his career..3rd in MVP voting..If poster don't know you then your cred just took a major hit...

please tell me that you want to see much much more out of him. We all know that he is a crazy talent that can get buckets.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/15/2015  10:47 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:@fishmike you want to credit Melo with 3 straight playoff berths and 1 round won, be my guest.

But you have to play the other side of the sword too then. 2 straight awful seasons, and the worst season in franchise history as well.

If you give him credit for success, you have to give him credit for failure as well. 3 coaches under his watch as well.

Guess which side of the sword its on currently? Some one has to fall on it, and I have $124m bet on who's most deserving.

Is this a joke?

@holfresh stop taking critical Melo posts so personal.

Makes you look like a groupie.

Not personal at all..U just look silly trying to hang the 17 win season on Melo..U look silly blaming Melo for the 37 win season which was the best in his career..3rd in MVP voting..If poster don't know you then your cred just took a major hit...

Lol Melo got 3rd in MVP voting in a 37 win season?!?

Wow, just wow.

U can be more imaginative can't u?..Am I giving you too much credit?

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7/15/2015  10:49 PM
@holfresh simple question for you.

Do you root for the Knicks or the name on the back of the jersey?

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7/15/2015  10:51 PM
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:@fishmike you want to credit Melo with 3 straight playoff berths and 1 round won, be my guest.

But you have to play the other side of the sword too then. 2 straight awful seasons, and the worst season in franchise history as well.

If you give him credit for success, you have to give him credit for failure as well. 3 coaches under his watch as well.

Guess which side of the sword its on currently? Some one has to fall on it, and I have $124m bet on who's most deserving.

Is this a joke?

@holfresh stop taking critical Melo posts so personal.

Makes you look like a groupie.

Not personal at all..U just look silly trying to hang the 17 win season on Melo..U look silly blaming Melo for the 37 win season which was the best in his career..3rd in MVP voting..If poster don't know you then your cred just took a major hit...

please tell me that you want to see much much more out of him. We all know that he is a crazy talent that can get buckets.


Melo is the least of our worries..I'm just not obsessed with everything Melo and blame him for everything including world poverty..I do see our other short coming that most haters never see..Hoe about we start with getting another player on the team so Melo doesn't feel he has to carry the team night in and night out...I would love to see another guy lead the team in scoring..
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7/15/2015  10:53 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:@holfresh simple question for you.

Do you root for the Knicks or the name on the back of the jersey?

What year did you become a Knick fan?..Do you know who Neal Walk is and what is his number?

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