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Leadership 101: Why Isn't Melo in Las Vegas?
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7/12/2015  11:52 PM
misterearl wrote:Holfresh - The main reason why Melo should be in Las Vegas is because the Knicks won 17 games.

The false equivalency with other players is irrelevant because they were ALL in the playoffs. Our franchise is in desperate need of leadership on the court. What better place to make a gesture of unity and teamwork, than to show up on day one, just to shake some hands, and change the conversation from "me" to "us."?

This is not a bash Melo thread. This is a thread that suggests doing the right thing is the right thing to do. We have a long road to reach mediocrity. Someone must make the first move. Some player needs to set the example. Who will it be?

We have a roster packed with new faces. Another difference. How do we get acquainted?

101. Just show up Melo. Take everyone to lunch and talk it over, without the coaches. Don't talk about wanting to win a championship. Be about it. Even in the summer.

It ain't that deep.

I have to disagree. If this was a thread about not recruiting free agents like Parsons and others did I get it. This is a thread calling out a 12 yr vet for not attending the summer leagues. Titling a thread leadership 101 and then calling out a 12year vet for not attending summer league is abash Melo thread. You are right. It isn't that deep. A bash Melo thread is a bash Melo thread. If I was teaching a bash Melo 101 course I would use this as my example.
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7/12/2015  11:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/12/2015  11:54 PM
CrushALot - If Melo does not lead, who will be the heart and soul of the New York Knicks?

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7/12/2015  11:56 PM
misterearl wrote:CrushALot - If Melo does not lead, who will be the heart and soul of the New York Knicks?

Applications are now being accepted.

Doesnt that stuff normally happen at training camp and on the court?
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7/13/2015  3:43 AM
Melo is not the man y'all should be focusing much of the hate on, blame this stupid organization for giving him the keys to do it. They should have known damn well that melo is not leadership type material or the person they wanted..
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7/13/2015  6:44 AM
RedmenBaller wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
RedmenBaller wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
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StarksEwing1 wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Just wondering if Harden, Curry, Rose, LeBron, Dirk, Kobe, Brow, Lilliard, Duncan, Lowry/Derozan, Wall, etc. are all passing their leadership 101 class in Vegas?

Who cares what they are doing? They are not costing us more than a third of our cap space -they have ZERO relevance to the Knicks. And some of them have delivered actual results not fancy popularity contest bull**** and individual stats obtained at the cost of team success.

What is with people getting bent out of shape when Melo gets called out? He gets called out because He is NOT a leader, he IS selfish and he can't share limelight with others. And he will NEVER win a NBA championship as the primary focal point of this or any other team. Is the truth so hard to swallow that this needs to be wrapped in politically correct BS? People are free to like him all they want, but to act like others are making stuff up about him and being negative when they are calling it the way they see is ridiculously immature IMO.

very fair points

To be honest...the points are totally unfair and irrelevant to the topic. WTF does this rant have to do with summer league? Looking at dudes username, its near impossible to imagine he can post anything unbiased about Melo. Im pretty sure its a cut and paste post.

Wait what? Why on earth would I want to post something "unbiased" about Melo? This is a message board people post their opinions. You do the exact same thing (post opinions-which by definition are biased) and so does everyone else. IMO opinion Melo is not adding value to the Knicks, never has and never will. The OP asked why hasn't Melo gone to Vegas and all anyone has to say is, he is not required to go to Vegas or anywhere else. That's it.

Once you start throwing in names like LeBron and Duncan then people will ask why on earth is Melo being compared to those people? They are multiple time champions who do not have the "selfishness" and "lack of leadership" virtues associated with their reputation around the NBA. Attempting to calibrate Melo's leadership by comparing to these guys is bogus. And if a Damien Lillard type proves to be as selfish as Melo is, exactly what does that do to make Melo a better leader?

Would say Lebron is considered as one of the best current day leaders in the NBA and I think he was umm....sitting right next to him. Why would you show up to try to establish a leadership role with guys , most on SL squad, that are not going to be part of the team?

Again I have already responded to this - underlined above. I have no idea what the comment about sitting right next to him is about? Who was sitting next to what?

They are on vacation together. Therefore the reference. Not a leader based on what? Your biased views? Your experience as a team mate? A guy sitting at home in his one bedroom apt. In Queens is calling out an athlete who has climbed to the height of his sport. Ahh the beauty of being a fan. Gotta love it. However, All your jealous rants still don't take away from the fact the premise of calling any player out for not attending SL is pure stupidity fuled by hate. I am sure your putting in extra time on your days off from Subway just to prove your leadership skills.

Its easy to see who is ranting here.

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7/13/2015  8:14 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/13/2015  8:16 AM
Prime Example

What Lebron and Steph Curry are doing does not mean jack.

During the NFL lockout a few years back, Drew Brees grabbed the initiative and organized team workouts at a high school facility for New Orleans Saints veterans. He contacted his guys and made it happen. He paid the expense of the rental and provided equipment. In some cases, according to the urban legend, he paid for airfare for a select few rookies. Brees also organized drills. He led by example and with his wallet.

There is a reason the Saints are an elite NFL franchise.

Leadership is not talking about a championship. It is about BEING about a championship.

Here endeth the lesson.

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7/13/2015  8:56 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/13/2015  11:27 AM
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misterearl wrote:Holfresh - The main reason why Melo should be in Las Vegas is because the Knicks won 17 games.

The false equivalency with other players is irrelevant because they were ALL in the playoffs. Our franchise is in desperate need of leadership on the court. What better place to make a gesture of unity and teamwork, than to show up on day one, just to shake some hands, and change the conversation from "me" to "us."?

This is not a bash Melo thread. This is a thread that suggests doing the right thing is the right thing to do. We have a long road to reach mediocrity. Someone must make the first move. Some player needs to set the example. Who will it be?

We have a roster packed with new faces. Another difference. How do we get acquainted?

101. Just show up Melo. Take everyone to lunch and talk it over, without the coaches. Don't talk about wanting to win a championship. Be about it. Even in the summer.

It ain't that deep.

I have to disagree. If this was a thread about not recruiting free agents like Parsons and others did I get it. This is a thread calling out a 12 yr vet for not attending the summer leagues. Titling a thread leadership 101 and then calling out a 12year vet for not attending summer league is abash Melo thread. You are right. It isn't that deep. A bash Melo thread is a bash Melo thread. If I was teaching a bash Melo 101 course I would use this as my example.

Fully understand that Anthony has other things in his life, and who knows how long ago the cruise he went on (is he still on it?) had been set up, but his behavior, beginning with the draft, has been a bit puzzling, and there has seemingly been a disconnect between him and the team.

If he was a Tim Duncan who left money on the table to help SA sign Aldridge, or a Blake Griffin, who took time off to make sure Jordan was brought back to the Clippers, you don't think twice about them not making a SL appearance, but Anthony decided to set himself up against Jackson and the franchise that is paying him a lot of money when he was foolish enough to let his thoughts about the draft be known.

Hearing the story that he had not even contacted Aflalo, a former teammate who the Knicks signed, was another example of a simple thing he could have done, but chose not to do.

Does not take much to be a leader, but Anthony seems to be even less than a minimalist in this aspect...he's more like a somnambulist.

Social media, even if indirect, is a simple way to put out some positive thoughts, but he even failed to do use this venue properly.

Anthony had no obligation to contact the two Knicks drafted last month.
Anthony had no obligation to stop by Las Vegas to see how the team was doing.
Anthony had no obligation to come to a SL practice and make an appearance to see the young players attempting to make the team.
Anthony had no obligation to put out a general statement or stop by to see the 4 free agents we just signed...one of who is a former teammate.
Anthony had no obligation to see KP play his first game.

Sometimes, though, it has nothing to do with "obligation," and more to do with what would have been the right thing to do, and it would seem that in a fruitful off-season for the Knicks, Anthony has not once done or said the right thing.

PS- check out his Instagram page as if you knew NOTHING about basketball, and try to figure out the full name of the team he plays for and is paid by.

https://instagram.com/carmeloanthony/

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7/13/2015  9:32 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/13/2015  10:20 AM
misterearl wrote:Where Is Our Elder Statesman?

Holfresh - The main reason why Melo should be in Las Vegas is because the Knicks won 17 games.

Seventeen.

The false equivalency with other players is irrelevant because they were ALL in the playoffs. Our franchise is in desperate need of leadership on the court. What better place to make a gesture of unity and teamwork, than to show up on day one, just to shake some hands, and change the conversation from "me" to "us."?

This is not a bash Melo thread. This is a thread that suggests doing the right thing is the right thing to do. We have a long road to reach mediocrity. Someone must make the first move. Some player needs to set the example. Who will it be?

We have a roster packed with new faces. Another difference. How do we get acquainted?

101. Just show up Melo. Take everyone to lunch and talk it over, without the coaches. Don't talk about wanting to win a championship. Be about it. Even in the summer.

It ain't that deep.


Hang the 17 win season on Phil Jackson and Derek Fisher...Our franchise isn't desperate for leadership, its desperate for talent on the court...All this false bravado and misdirection is doing a disservice to the team...Hold the people who are accountable, accountable...We needed good players and we continue to need good players..Our organization continues to be inept and continue to under perform...Melo is the easy target...If it keeps you coffee down in the morning then have at it...You will get hurrays and cheers for pointing your finger at Melo..Earl, you a pushing a loser's mentality...You and others are making excuses..You live in a fairyland and you want to stay there..Melo going to Vegas isn't going to win us more games, talent on the court will...Wake up...
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7/13/2015  10:18 AM
This is a great thread. Its like a kitchen in the bronx at 3am. All the roaches (melo haters) are coming out to feed. They smell an anti melo tread and they are hungry!
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7/13/2015  10:48 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/13/2015  11:17 AM
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holfresh wrote:You are making shiit up because you are asking him to do things other aren't expected to do..No other vet is at Vegas but u expect him to be there because it's the Knicks..Not immature just outright stupid..


Melo would get a lot less flak if he

A) Shut his mouth with the press regarding his "branding" and all the other anti team stuff he talks about. I don't see that as negotiable, it's the minimum standard for an NBA pro, don't talk about internal dirty laundry with the press

B) Show up in elite condition and be an example with your work ethic. Be consistent in that. Again, not negotiable, again, a minimum standard of any NBA player

C) Actually commit to playing defense. Melo's mix of Don't Try/Don't Care/So What/Screw You pathetic defense is toxic, toxic to the team format. Again, not something that can be negotiated, again, a minimum expectation of an NBA pro.


Harden, Curry, Rose, LeBron, Dirk, Kobe, Brow, Lilliard, Duncan

I think you can remove Kobe from that list, because he's maybe the only player more anti team than Melo. I think you have to shade Harden some because he spent the 2014 season deciding he didn't need to play defense.

But the rest? Know when to shut their mouth ( LBJ had to learn the hard way). Show up in shape. Will play defense or at least try ( Lilliard isn't stopping anyone, but he's not a turnstile like Melo)

Maybe a better question here are which UK members are related to Melo or Melo's wife in some way. Some of you guys who defend anything Melo, I mean some of you guys go over the top, to the point where IMHO you care less about the Knicks and more about one individual player on the team.

This coming from the guy who calls Melo a sixth man, not over the top???..Is that team ahead of player??..More focus on individual than team, is that not what is happening here???..Listen I get you don't like Melo which is all good with me...Just don't feed me the bull...You are more focused on Melo the individual than the player..Let me say here, I don't get that..I could care less what a player does or says outside of basketball..A few of you seems obsessed and it bothers you...If he has a business venture, he wants to be JayZ?? Really???...Seems normal to you???..It's not to me...

The Melo doesn't play defense gig is untrue..He isn't always committed which is huge difference...But you and d7 hang on to that for dear life it seems...You have an ax to grind so at least come clean and grind it with truths...

There are three guys on your list who plays defense..Dirk has never hustled or played defense in his entire career..Can Dirk and Marc Gasol for that matter, as 7 footers, grab a rebound please..6/7 boards a game is downright embarrassing for 7 footers and no one who watches the NBA cares about those numbers...Curry and Harden has never played defense and it's just not 2014, but u don't hear about it...It's unspoken..Teams used to post guys like Curry at critical junctures in big games but that has some how changed..McHale could have posted him/ defended him using Corey Brewer..Instead they had two 37 year old dudes chasing Curry..Truly a head scratcher..

As an NBA player, you can't win consecutive player of the month in April( end of the season) if you are not in shape...To be deemed best player in the league over a period of the month, at the end of the year, you have to be in great shape..No two ways about it...How do you spin that???

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7/13/2015  10:58 AM
Is thread is pointless. I used to attend the Summer League regularly in Westchester when it was at the county center. I never saw any NBA all-stars that weren't drafted that year. Even 2nd year players that were all rookie first team rarely attend. The only all-stars/HOFers there were retired and on the coaching staffs.
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7/13/2015  11:32 AM
SwishandDish - if this thread is pointless, why are you making a point?

Melo is an outstanding basketball player. He proclaims that he chose the New York Knicks to win a championship. Cool. Winning a championship is not about individual goals or recognition. It is about having team that is willing to fight for each other.

The suggestion is made in the context of the Knicks hosting all four free agent signings and an dozen other auditions (including two current first round picks) in Las Vegas at once. The whole gang is there. If nothing else, summer league is a great bonding opportunity to just grab a meal together. Anything. No fanfare needed. Just make an introduction or welcome a newcomer. Just one day. Sheesh.

How difficult is that?

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7/13/2015  11:46 AM
misterearl wrote:SwishandDish - if this thread is pointless, why are you making a point?

Melo is an outstanding basketball player. He proclaims that he chose the New York Knicks to win a championship. Cool. Winning a championship is not about individual goals or recognition. It is about having team that is willing to fight for each other.

The suggestion is made in the context of the Knicks hosting all four free agent signings and an dozen other auditions (including two current first round picks) in Las Vegas at once. The whole gang is there. If nothing else, summer league is a great bonding opportunity to just grab a meal together. Anything. No fanfare needed. Just make an introduction or welcome a newcomer. Just one day. Sheesh.

How difficult is that?

You are on the Titanic and you are trying to rearrange the deck chairs...Come on, man!!!

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7/13/2015  12:02 PM
holfresh wrote:
misterearl wrote:SwishandDish - if this thread is pointless, why are you making a point?

Melo is an outstanding basketball player. He proclaims that he chose the New York Knicks to win a championship. Cool. Winning a championship is not about individual goals or recognition. It is about having team that is willing to fight for each other.

The suggestion is made in the context of the Knicks hosting all four free agent signings and an dozen other auditions (including two current first round picks) in Las Vegas at once. The whole gang is there. If nothing else, summer league is a great bonding opportunity to just grab a meal together. Anything. No fanfare needed. Just make an introduction or welcome a newcomer. Just one day. Sheesh.

How difficult is that?

You are on the Titanic and you are trying to rearrange the deck chairs...Come on, man!!!

Funny that you mention this. I've always wondered if there was some way you could have tied the deck chairs together to make some sort of raft, since I assume that the chairs would have been made of wood at that time.

Have you ever given this any thought?

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7/13/2015  12:06 PM
misterearl wrote:SwishandDish - if this thread is pointless, why are you making a point?

Melo is an outstanding basketball player. He proclaims that he chose the New York Knicks to win a championship. Cool. Winning a championship is not about individual goals or recognition. It is about having team that is willing to fight for each other.

The suggestion is made in the context of the Knicks hosting all four free agent signings and an dozen other auditions (including two current first round picks) in Las Vegas at once. The whole gang is there. If nothing else, summer league is a great bonding opportunity to just grab a meal together. Anything. No fanfare needed. Just make an introduction or welcome a newcomer. Just one day. Sheesh.

How difficult is that?

You got me there. I meant the argument being made is rather pointless. I haven't seen others do it. Didn't he go to the training facility when he was there? If so, isn't that enough for now. My understanding is that is what you are looking for is what training camp is for.

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7/13/2015  12:25 PM
holfresh wrote:
misterearl wrote:SwishandDish - if this thread is pointless, why are you making a point?

Melo is an outstanding basketball player. He proclaims that he chose the New York Knicks to win a championship. Cool. Winning a championship is not about individual goals or recognition. It is about having team that is willing to fight for each other.

The suggestion is made in the context of the Knicks hosting all four free agent signings and an dozen other auditions (including two current first round picks) in Las Vegas at once. The whole gang is there. If nothing else, summer league is a great bonding opportunity to just grab a meal together. Anything. No fanfare needed. Just make an introduction or welcome a newcomer. Just one day. Sheesh.

How difficult is that?

You are on the Titanic and you are trying to rearrange the deck chairs...Come on, man!!!


This. Own your Melo bashing thread. Don't try and soft sell it.
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7/13/2015  1:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/13/2015  1:10 PM
125 million reason why

CrushALot - the thread was owned the instant The Answer Man signed his name to it.

Ain't no crime in having a difference of opinion. Dude should be there. Period.

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7/13/2015  2:51 PM
This just in. Steph Curry has baby Friday night.. congrats. However, does not excuse his inability to show up at summer league to support the D league tryouts. Just not a true leader!! Side note. Damarcus Cousins showed up, but sat opposite side of facility where head coach was sitting. True leader!!
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7/13/2015  3:07 PM
thetruth - Steph Curry has a ring.

You do the math

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7/13/2015  3:13 PM
In Iverson voice, "We talkin bout summerleague! Not the regular season or even pre season. But summerleague! Summer League! Really!!!!"
Leadership 101: Why Isn't Melo in Las Vegas?

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