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crzymdups
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7/9/2015  10:02 AM
TheGame wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
y2zipper wrote:......keeps teams in the news and keeps attention on the league. This isn't the first time a player has reneged on a verbal commitment and probably won't be the last, but the drama is good for the league.

This isn't the kind of drama or attention the NBA wants.

It's one thing to do it, it's another for Chris Paul and Blake Griffin and Doc Rivers to go on Tweeting and Instagraming and rubbing it in everyone's faces. It makes a mockery of the system and doing so disrespects the Commissioner and the league administration.

Silver works for the owners, and the aggregate of owners aren't going to want to spend every offseason in a jet, trying to beg guys to stay to their word. There is too much room for raw abuse of this, which makes the league anti competitive. No way Silver will endorse risking teams using this kind of gamesmanship to tarnish the competitiveness of the entire league.

The players and the players union lost the last labor war and lost it badly. All this will do is incite the aggregate of owners into pushing for what they first proposed the last time, which was universal and widespread normalization of non guaranteed contracts and a hard cap. LeBron, Wade and Bosh went around and made owners beg and plead with them, while knowing what they were going to do anyway, then they flaunted it in front of the league and what happened? The owners in the next labor war crushed the players and made sure nothing like that could ever happen again. You can't have three close to max players and still have a functional team in the modern game.

NBA players have the most current leverage of all of the major US pro sports, however every time they flaunt it, they get hammered in the next labor war. No aging white billionaire is going to want to get on hands and knees and beg some 23 year old uneducated black kid to keep his word and then get humiliated in the press and public. And while some or many or most of the owners might hate Cuban personally, he is still one of them. Refusing to even acknowledge an owner, whom you've given your word to, and hide in a locked house and ignoring your own agents is a disrespect to Cuban, which by extension is a disrespect to all owners.

Mocking the league is not the kind of attention the NBA wants. Not a chance.

Looking like a circus isn't the kind of media glare the league wants.

Wow. You are making a lot of stereotypical assumptions in your post that are really out of line. The bottomline is there is a moratorium in which all verbal deals are non-final. Teams cannot even officially comment on those verbal agreements, which shows how non-binding they are. Jordan changed his mind, which he had a right to do. The solution is simple. Do away with the moratorium. If the NBA needs 7 days to figure out the cap figure (which I never understood why that was the case), then it should not let teams start negotiating until the end of the 7-day period. In that way, when a guy agrees to a deal, you can have him immediately sign a contract.

I agree completely.

I also agree with Phil Jackson's idea that the Draft should come after Free Agency.

I think you'd see teams drafting a lot more smartly.

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7/9/2015  10:10 AM
Blake had some hilarious Tweets- moved past the emoji thing iun a big way.:

Assume he's saying they were blocking the doors to keep Cuban out?

EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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7/9/2015  4:23 PM
TheGame wrote: Jordan changed his mind, which he had a right to do. The solution is simple.

DeAndre Jordan broke what was considered an area governed by a "gentleman's agreement"

You ever hear the saying, "This is why we can never have anything nice around here?" Usually it's because a select few douchebags take advantage of a loophole or something they can exploit, then that former area of freedom or opportunity is taken away from everyone.

What Jordan did, hiding from Cuban and his own agents, and then hiding behind his own owner, GM/coach and core franchise players is childish. You act like a child, people will determine it's time to treat you like a child.

The irony here is if the Knicks were a far more competitive team and another Eastern team did this to them, most ( I should say ALL) of you "So what , who cares?" crowd would be up in arms about it. That's the thing about ethics, you learn a lot from people who see insult only on a sliding scale.

To allow this to happen in the future is the NBA saying it enables low character. That's bad for business, it's bad for marketing the league, it's bad trying to appeal to fans in general, it's bad for trying to push the game as "family friendly"

A man's word should mean something. When a man gives his word and bond, that should mean something. For those of you who want to excuse it away, I feel sorry for you, but I feel sorry more for your kids.

Think about DeAndre Jordan. His kids will learn, by observation, than a man's word doesn't have to mean anything. Kids learn from their parents by what they see every single day. They learn by watching how the people who are supposed to guide and teach them, how those people live their own lives. Jordan didn't just piss on the Mavericks, he pissed on his own good name, his family name and his kids.

Those of you who think what Jordan did was ok because he could make more money or he's going to better team anyway or its ok because there is no real "rule" to stop him, then I feel sorry for all your kids. Every last one of them. Because if it happened to the Knicks, you would be livid. When right and wrong goes on a sliding scale for someone, that someone is exhibiting low character. The test of real character is what you do when you get a little power, or if you choose to do the right thing when no one is looking, when you could get away with doing the wrong thing without social repercussions for it.

And that's the thing. People always show you their value structure by how they suggest their tolerance for others to either do the right thing or do the wrong thing.

I feel sorry for DeAndre Jordan. There is no amount of money or soft circumstance where a man should sell his good name and word as bond.

I feel sorry for Jordan's children. Because he just taught them by action and inaction that character means nothing.

And I feel sorry for some of the children of some of you. Rationalizing unethical behavior is about the worst lesson you can teach your kids.

A man's word should mean something. That that specific point needs to actually be articulated and explained to some of you is beyond pathetic.

And when some third string power forward lays a forearm into Blake Griffin and drives him into the floor and the refs look the other way, well Blake asked for it. How much of an idiot do you have to be to mock the league and incite the owners before what is clearly going to be an impending labor war.
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7/9/2015  4:32 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/9/2015  4:44 PM
He changed his mind about what basketball team he wanted to play for- it's a game and he's a free man. Get some perspective. These vitriolic rants are not particularly enjoyable to read, they leave a nasty taste.
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7/9/2015  5:07 PM
smackeddog wrote:He changed his mind about what basketball team he wanted to play for- it's a game and he's a free man. Get some perspective. These vitriolic rants are not particularly enjoyable to read, they leave a nasty taste.

There's no doubt that the big free agents have a domino affect on where everyone else signs. There is immense pressure on the top free agents to make a quick decision so the rest of free agency can move forward. Otherwise, it stalls. The rest of the free agents can take their time and make their decision. There is no doubt that this factored into his rushed decision to chose Dallas. He had not been pushed to make a decision before the 4th, i'm sure he would have just taken the weekend and decided to stay in LA. Dallas would have had to make a decision to wait or move on, which would have had the same affect as this did. Deandre will likely blame that pressure to those around him, even if he doesn't do it publicly. In his eyes, it will be justified. There is no doubt that Mark Cuban probably pressure for a decision, thru his reps. It doesn't make him any less immature for the way he handled it, but it is clear it factored into the mix for how this process played out.
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7/9/2015  5:09 PM
with all the new pressure that DJ brought on himself for the up and coming season, I look for his FT percentage to drop to 25% at best.
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/9/2015  5:10 PM
TripleThreat wrote:
TheGame wrote: Jordan changed his mind, which he had a right to do. The solution is simple.

DeAndre Jordan broke what was considered an area governed by a "gentleman's agreement"

You ever hear the saying, "This is why we can never have anything nice around here?" Usually it's because a select few douchebags take advantage of a loophole or something they can exploit, then that former area of freedom or opportunity is taken away from everyone.

What Jordan did, hiding from Cuban and his own agents, and then hiding behind his own owner, GM/coach and core franchise players is childish. You act like a child, people will determine it's time to treat you like a child.

The irony here is if the Knicks were a far more competitive team and another Eastern team did this to them, most ( I should say ALL) of you "So what , who cares?" crowd would be up in arms about it. That's the thing about ethics, you learn a lot from people who see insult only on a sliding scale.

To allow this to happen in the future is the NBA saying it enables low character. That's bad for business, it's bad for marketing the league, it's bad trying to appeal to fans in general, it's bad for trying to push the game as "family friendly"

A man's word should mean something. When a man gives his word and bond, that should mean something. For those of you who want to excuse it away, I feel sorry for you, but I feel sorry more for your kids.

Think about DeAndre Jordan. His kids will learn, by observation, than a man's word doesn't have to mean anything. Kids learn from their parents by what they see every single day. They learn by watching how the people who are supposed to guide and teach them, how those people live their own lives. Jordan didn't just piss on the Mavericks, he pissed on his own good name, his family name and his kids.

Those of you who think what Jordan did was ok because he could make more money or he's going to better team anyway or its ok because there is no real "rule" to stop him, then I feel sorry for all your kids. Every last one of them. Because if it happened to the Knicks, you would be livid. When right and wrong goes on a sliding scale for someone, that someone is exhibiting low character. The test of real character is what you do when you get a little power, or if you choose to do the right thing when no one is looking, when you could get away with doing the wrong thing without social repercussions for it.

And that's the thing. People always show you their value structure by how they suggest their tolerance for others to either do the right thing or do the wrong thing.

I feel sorry for DeAndre Jordan. There is no amount of money or soft circumstance where a man should sell his good name and word as bond.

I feel sorry for Jordan's children. Because he just taught them by action and inaction that character means nothing.

And I feel sorry for some of the children of some of you. Rationalizing unethical behavior is about the worst lesson you can teach your kids.

A man's word should mean something. That that specific point needs to actually be articulated and explained to some of you is beyond pathetic.

And when some third string power forward lays a forearm into Blake Griffin and drives him into the floor and the refs look the other way, well Blake asked for it. How much of an idiot do you have to be to mock the league and incite the owners before what is clearly going to be an impending labor war.

I don't think anyone has said what Jordan did was "okay," and I certainly am appalled that he would not even take Cuban's phone call and tell him directly that he changed his mind. But the fact is that both the players and the team know beforehand that anything done during the moratorium is not official. That is just a fact. If the guy changed his mind, then he will have to live with the fallout from it, but it is what it is. The rules allowed him to change his mind and that is what he did. It was an inconsiderate move, but it was something Jordan could do. That is the real world. It ain't over until its over.

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7/9/2015  5:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/9/2015  5:54 PM
TheGame wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
y2zipper wrote:......keeps teams in the news and keeps attention on the league. This isn't the first time a player has reneged on a verbal commitment and probably won't be the last, but the drama is good for the league.

This isn't the kind of drama or attention the NBA wants.

It's one thing to do it, it's another for Chris Paul and Blake Griffin and Doc Rivers to go on Tweeting and Instagraming and rubbing it in everyone's faces. It makes a mockery of the system and doing so disrespects the Commissioner and the league administration.

Silver works for the owners, and the aggregate of owners aren't going to want to spend every offseason in a jet, trying to beg guys to stay to their word. There is too much room for raw abuse of this, which makes the league anti competitive. No way Silver will endorse risking teams using this kind of gamesmanship to tarnish the competitiveness of the entire league.

The players and the players union lost the last labor war and lost it badly. All this will do is incite the aggregate of owners into pushing for what they first proposed the last time, which was universal and widespread normalization of non guaranteed contracts and a hard cap. LeBron, Wade and Bosh went around and made owners beg and plead with them, while knowing what they were going to do anyway, then they flaunted it in front of the league and what happened? The owners in the next labor war crushed the players and made sure nothing like that could ever happen again. You can't have three close to max players and still have a functional team in the modern game.

NBA players have the most current leverage of all of the major US pro sports, however every time they flaunt it, they get hammered in the next labor war. No aging white billionaire is going to want to get on hands and knees and beg some 23 year old uneducated black kid to keep his word and then get humiliated in the press and public. And while some or many or most of the owners might hate Cuban personally, he is still one of them. Refusing to even acknowledge an owner, whom you've given your word to, and hide in a locked house and ignoring your own agents is a disrespect to Cuban, which by extension is a disrespect to all owners.

Mocking the league is not the kind of attention the NBA wants. Not a chance.

Looking like a circus isn't the kind of media glare the league wants.

Wow. You are making a lot of stereotypical assumptions in your post that are really out of line. The bottomline is there is a moratorium in which all verbal deals are non-final. Teams cannot even officially comment on those verbal agreements, which shows how non-binding they are. Jordan changed his mind, which he had a right to do. The solution is simple. Do away with the moratorium. If the NBA needs 7 days to figure out the cap figure (which I never understood why that was the case), then it should not let teams start negotiating until the end of the 7-day period. In that way, when a guy agrees to a deal, you can have him immediately sign a contract.

TripleThreat wrote:
TheGame wrote: Jordan changed his mind, which he had a right to do. The solution is simple.

DeAndre Jordan broke what was considered an area governed by a "gentleman's agreement"

You ever hear the saying, "This is why we can never have anything nice around here?" Usually it's because a select few douchebags take advantage of a loophole or something they can exploit, then that former area of freedom or opportunity is taken away from everyone.

What Jordan did, hiding from Cuban and his own agents, and then hiding behind his own owner, GM/coach and core franchise players is childish. You act like a child, people will determine it's time to treat you like a child.

The irony here is if the Knicks were a far more competitive team and another Eastern team did this to them, most ( I should say ALL) of you "So what , who cares?" crowd would be up in arms about it. That's the thing about ethics, you learn a lot from people who see insult only on a sliding scale.

To allow this to happen in the future is the NBA saying it enables low character. That's bad for business, it's bad for marketing the league, it's bad trying to appeal to fans in general, it's bad for trying to push the game as "family friendly"

A man's word should mean something. When a man gives his word and bond, that should mean something. For those of you who want to excuse it away, I feel sorry for you, but I feel sorry more for your kids.

Think about DeAndre Jordan. His kids will learn, by observation, than a man's word doesn't have to mean anything. Kids learn from their parents by what they see every single day. They learn by watching how the people who are supposed to guide and teach them, how those people live their own lives. Jordan didn't just piss on the Mavericks, he pissed on his own good name, his family name and his kids.

Those of you who think what Jordan did was ok because he could make more money or he's going to better team anyway or its ok because there is no real "rule" to stop him, then I feel sorry for all your kids. Every last one of them. Because if it happened to the Knicks, you would be livid. When right and wrong goes on a sliding scale for someone, that someone is exhibiting low character. The test of real character is what you do when you get a little power, or if you choose to do the right thing when no one is looking, when you could get away with doing the wrong thing without social repercussions for it.

And that's the thing. People always show you their value structure by how they suggest their tolerance for others to either do the right thing or do the wrong thing.

I feel sorry for DeAndre Jordan. There is no amount of money or soft circumstance where a man should sell his good name and word as bond.

I feel sorry for Jordan's children. Because he just taught them by action and inaction that character means nothing.

And I feel sorry for some of the children of some of you. Rationalizing unethical behavior is about the worst lesson you can teach your kids.

A man's word should mean something. That that specific point needs to actually be articulated and explained to some of you is beyond pathetic.

And when some third string power forward lays a forearm into Blake Griffin and drives him into the floor and the refs look the other way, well Blake asked for it. How much of an idiot do you have to be to mock the league and incite the owners before what is clearly going to be an impending labor war.


It's a business, sunshine. Jordan's kids will learn that daddy had options and he hadn't signed anything, and your owner gentlemen who are party to the make believe agreement wouldn't give two rat farts about DJ if he couldn't perform on the court. And owners will continue to beg and plead because your so called uneducated 23 year old black kids can do things that put fannies in the seats and money in the ledgers.

Melo could have pulled the same crap on Phil and I'm sure you'd be abandoning all this Mr. Smith Goes to Nirvana happy happy family legacy bs and be all warm and fuzzy about how he made the right choice going to Chicago or Houston...

I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop and find out all this ranting about family values is somehow some sort of veiled Melohate...

A family friendly game. Right; with underpaid, underdressed dancing hos, owners who trade men like so much ground turkey, and players who make millions and don't truly care about the Joe Blow Angry Sportsboard morality police.

Dream on.
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7/9/2015  6:20 PM
jrodmc wrote:
TheGame wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
y2zipper wrote:......keeps teams in the news and keeps attention on the league. This isn't the first time a player has reneged on a verbal commitment and probably won't be the last, but the drama is good for the league.

This isn't the kind of drama or attention the NBA wants.

It's one thing to do it, it's another for Chris Paul and Blake Griffin and Doc Rivers to go on Tweeting and Instagraming and rubbing it in everyone's faces. It makes a mockery of the system and doing so disrespects the Commissioner and the league administration.

Silver works for the owners, and the aggregate of owners aren't going to want to spend every offseason in a jet, trying to beg guys to stay to their word. There is too much room for raw abuse of this, which makes the league anti competitive. No way Silver will endorse risking teams using this kind of gamesmanship to tarnish the competitiveness of the entire league.

The players and the players union lost the last labor war and lost it badly. All this will do is incite the aggregate of owners into pushing for what they first proposed the last time, which was universal and widespread normalization of non guaranteed contracts and a hard cap. LeBron, Wade and Bosh went around and made owners beg and plead with them, while knowing what they were going to do anyway, then they flaunted it in front of the league and what happened? The owners in the next labor war crushed the players and made sure nothing like that could ever happen again. You can't have three close to max players and still have a functional team in the modern game.

NBA players have the most current leverage of all of the major US pro sports, however every time they flaunt it, they get hammered in the next labor war. No aging white billionaire is going to want to get on hands and knees and beg some 23 year old uneducated black kid to keep his word and then get humiliated in the press and public. And while some or many or most of the owners might hate Cuban personally, he is still one of them. Refusing to even acknowledge an owner, whom you've given your word to, and hide in a locked house and ignoring your own agents is a disrespect to Cuban, which by extension is a disrespect to all owners.

Mocking the league is not the kind of attention the NBA wants. Not a chance.

Looking like a circus isn't the kind of media glare the league wants.

Wow. You are making a lot of stereotypical assumptions in your post that are really out of line. The bottomline is there is a moratorium in which all verbal deals are non-final. Teams cannot even officially comment on those verbal agreements, which shows how non-binding they are. Jordan changed his mind, which he had a right to do. The solution is simple. Do away with the moratorium. If the NBA needs 7 days to figure out the cap figure (which I never understood why that was the case), then it should not let teams start negotiating until the end of the 7-day period. In that way, when a guy agrees to a deal, you can have him immediately sign a contract.

TripleThreat wrote:
TheGame wrote: Jordan changed his mind, which he had a right to do. The solution is simple.

DeAndre Jordan broke what was considered an area governed by a "gentleman's agreement"

You ever hear the saying, "This is why we can never have anything nice around here?" Usually it's because a select few douchebags take advantage of a loophole or something they can exploit, then that former area of freedom or opportunity is taken away from everyone.

What Jordan did, hiding from Cuban and his own agents, and then hiding behind his own owner, GM/coach and core franchise players is childish. You act like a child, people will determine it's time to treat you like a child.

The irony here is if the Knicks were a far more competitive team and another Eastern team did this to them, most ( I should say ALL) of you "So what , who cares?" crowd would be up in arms about it. That's the thing about ethics, you learn a lot from people who see insult only on a sliding scale.

To allow this to happen in the future is the NBA saying it enables low character. That's bad for business, it's bad for marketing the league, it's bad trying to appeal to fans in general, it's bad for trying to push the game as "family friendly"

A man's word should mean something. When a man gives his word and bond, that should mean something. For those of you who want to excuse it away, I feel sorry for you, but I feel sorry more for your kids.

Think about DeAndre Jordan. His kids will learn, by observation, than a man's word doesn't have to mean anything. Kids learn from their parents by what they see every single day. They learn by watching how the people who are supposed to guide and teach them, how those people live their own lives. Jordan didn't just piss on the Mavericks, he pissed on his own good name, his family name and his kids.

Those of you who think what Jordan did was ok because he could make more money or he's going to better team anyway or its ok because there is no real "rule" to stop him, then I feel sorry for all your kids. Every last one of them. Because if it happened to the Knicks, you would be livid. When right and wrong goes on a sliding scale for someone, that someone is exhibiting low character. The test of real character is what you do when you get a little power, or if you choose to do the right thing when no one is looking, when you could get away with doing the wrong thing without social repercussions for it.

And that's the thing. People always show you their value structure by how they suggest their tolerance for others to either do the right thing or do the wrong thing.

I feel sorry for DeAndre Jordan. There is no amount of money or soft circumstance where a man should sell his good name and word as bond.

I feel sorry for Jordan's children. Because he just taught them by action and inaction that character means nothing.

And I feel sorry for some of the children of some of you. Rationalizing unethical behavior is about the worst lesson you can teach your kids.

A man's word should mean something. That that specific point needs to actually be articulated and explained to some of you is beyond pathetic.

And when some third string power forward lays a forearm into Blake Griffin and drives him into the floor and the refs look the other way, well Blake asked for it. How much of an idiot do you have to be to mock the league and incite the owners before what is clearly going to be an impending labor war.


It's a business, sunshine. Jordan's kids will learn that daddy had options and he hadn't signed anything, and your owner gentlemen who are party to the make believe agreement wouldn't give two rat farts about DJ if he couldn't perform on the court. And owners will continue to beg and plead because your so called uneducated 23 year old black kids can do things that put fannies in the seats and money in the ledgers.

Melo could have pulled the same crap on Phil and I'm sure you'd be abandoning all this Mr. Smith Goes to Nirvana happy happy family legacy bs and be all warm and fuzzy about how he made the right choice going to Chicago or Houston...

I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop and find out all this ranting about family values is somehow some sort of veiled Melohate...

A family friendly game. Right; with underpaid, underdressed dancing hos, owners who trade men like so much ground turkey, and players who make millions and don't truly care about the Joe Blow Angry Sportsboard morality police.

Dream on.

i know you are chief of the melo police but nobody has even bashed him so no need to come to the rescue
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StarksEwing1 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
TheGame wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
y2zipper wrote:......keeps teams in the news and keeps attention on the league. This isn't the first time a player has reneged on a verbal commitment and probably won't be the last, but the drama is good for the league.

This isn't the kind of drama or attention the NBA wants.

It's one thing to do it, it's another for Chris Paul and Blake Griffin and Doc Rivers to go on Tweeting and Instagraming and rubbing it in everyone's faces. It makes a mockery of the system and doing so disrespects the Commissioner and the league administration.

Silver works for the owners, and the aggregate of owners aren't going to want to spend every offseason in a jet, trying to beg guys to stay to their word. There is too much room for raw abuse of this, which makes the league anti competitive. No way Silver will endorse risking teams using this kind of gamesmanship to tarnish the competitiveness of the entire league.

The players and the players union lost the last labor war and lost it badly. All this will do is incite the aggregate of owners into pushing for what they first proposed the last time, which was universal and widespread normalization of non guaranteed contracts and a hard cap. LeBron, Wade and Bosh went around and made owners beg and plead with them, while knowing what they were going to do anyway, then they flaunted it in front of the league and what happened? The owners in the next labor war crushed the players and made sure nothing like that could ever happen again. You can't have three close to max players and still have a functional team in the modern game.

NBA players have the most current leverage of all of the major US pro sports, however every time they flaunt it, they get hammered in the next labor war. No aging white billionaire is going to want to get on hands and knees and beg some 23 year old uneducated black kid to keep his word and then get humiliated in the press and public. And while some or many or most of the owners might hate Cuban personally, he is still one of them. Refusing to even acknowledge an owner, whom you've given your word to, and hide in a locked house and ignoring your own agents is a disrespect to Cuban, which by extension is a disrespect to all owners.

Mocking the league is not the kind of attention the NBA wants. Not a chance.

Looking like a circus isn't the kind of media glare the league wants.

Wow. You are making a lot of stereotypical assumptions in your post that are really out of line. The bottomline is there is a moratorium in which all verbal deals are non-final. Teams cannot even officially comment on those verbal agreements, which shows how non-binding they are. Jordan changed his mind, which he had a right to do. The solution is simple. Do away with the moratorium. If the NBA needs 7 days to figure out the cap figure (which I never understood why that was the case), then it should not let teams start negotiating until the end of the 7-day period. In that way, when a guy agrees to a deal, you can have him immediately sign a contract.

TripleThreat wrote:
TheGame wrote: Jordan changed his mind, which he had a right to do. The solution is simple.

DeAndre Jordan broke what was considered an area governed by a "gentleman's agreement"

You ever hear the saying, "This is why we can never have anything nice around here?" Usually it's because a select few douchebags take advantage of a loophole or something they can exploit, then that former area of freedom or opportunity is taken away from everyone.

What Jordan did, hiding from Cuban and his own agents, and then hiding behind his own owner, GM/coach and core franchise players is childish. You act like a child, people will determine it's time to treat you like a child.

The irony here is if the Knicks were a far more competitive team and another Eastern team did this to them, most ( I should say ALL) of you "So what , who cares?" crowd would be up in arms about it. That's the thing about ethics, you learn a lot from people who see insult only on a sliding scale.

To allow this to happen in the future is the NBA saying it enables low character. That's bad for business, it's bad for marketing the league, it's bad trying to appeal to fans in general, it's bad for trying to push the game as "family friendly"

A man's word should mean something. When a man gives his word and bond, that should mean something. For those of you who want to excuse it away, I feel sorry for you, but I feel sorry more for your kids.

Think about DeAndre Jordan. His kids will learn, by observation, than a man's word doesn't have to mean anything. Kids learn from their parents by what they see every single day. They learn by watching how the people who are supposed to guide and teach them, how those people live their own lives. Jordan didn't just piss on the Mavericks, he pissed on his own good name, his family name and his kids.

Those of you who think what Jordan did was ok because he could make more money or he's going to better team anyway or its ok because there is no real "rule" to stop him, then I feel sorry for all your kids. Every last one of them. Because if it happened to the Knicks, you would be livid. When right and wrong goes on a sliding scale for someone, that someone is exhibiting low character. The test of real character is what you do when you get a little power, or if you choose to do the right thing when no one is looking, when you could get away with doing the wrong thing without social repercussions for it.

And that's the thing. People always show you their value structure by how they suggest their tolerance for others to either do the right thing or do the wrong thing.

I feel sorry for DeAndre Jordan. There is no amount of money or soft circumstance where a man should sell his good name and word as bond.

I feel sorry for Jordan's children. Because he just taught them by action and inaction that character means nothing.

And I feel sorry for some of the children of some of you. Rationalizing unethical behavior is about the worst lesson you can teach your kids.

A man's word should mean something. That that specific point needs to actually be articulated and explained to some of you is beyond pathetic.

And when some third string power forward lays a forearm into Blake Griffin and drives him into the floor and the refs look the other way, well Blake asked for it. How much of an idiot do you have to be to mock the league and incite the owners before what is clearly going to be an impending labor war.


It's a business, sunshine. Jordan's kids will learn that daddy had options and he hadn't signed anything, and your owner gentlemen who are party to the make believe agreement wouldn't give two rat farts about DJ if he couldn't perform on the court. And owners will continue to beg and plead because your so called uneducated 23 year old black kids can do things that put fannies in the seats and money in the ledgers.

Melo could have pulled the same crap on Phil and I'm sure you'd be abandoning all this Mr. Smith Goes to Nirvana happy happy family legacy bs and be all warm and fuzzy about how he made the right choice going to Chicago or Houston...

I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop and find out all this ranting about family values is somehow some sort of veiled Melohate...

A family friendly game. Right; with underpaid, underdressed dancing hos, owners who trade men like so much ground turkey, and players who make millions and don't truly care about the Joe Blow Angry Sportsboard morality police.

Dream on.

i know you are chief of the melo police but nobody has even bashed him so no need to come to the rescue

Sorry, I've started off-season training early.
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7/10/2015  12:04 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
TheGame wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
y2zipper wrote:......keeps teams in the news and keeps attention on the league. This isn't the first time a player has reneged on a verbal commitment and probably won't be the last, but the drama is good for the league.

This isn't the kind of drama or attention the NBA wants.

It's one thing to do it, it's another for Chris Paul and Blake Griffin and Doc Rivers to go on Tweeting and Instagraming and rubbing it in everyone's faces. It makes a mockery of the system and doing so disrespects the Commissioner and the league administration.

Silver works for the owners, and the aggregate of owners aren't going to want to spend every offseason in a jet, trying to beg guys to stay to their word. There is too much room for raw abuse of this, which makes the league anti competitive. No way Silver will endorse risking teams using this kind of gamesmanship to tarnish the competitiveness of the entire league.

The players and the players union lost the last labor war and lost it badly. All this will do is incite the aggregate of owners into pushing for what they first proposed the last time, which was universal and widespread normalization of non guaranteed contracts and a hard cap. LeBron, Wade and Bosh went around and made owners beg and plead with them, while knowing what they were going to do anyway, then they flaunted it in front of the league and what happened? The owners in the next labor war crushed the players and made sure nothing like that could ever happen again. You can't have three close to max players and still have a functional team in the modern game.

NBA players have the most current leverage of all of the major US pro sports, however every time they flaunt it, they get hammered in the next labor war. No aging white billionaire is going to want to get on hands and knees and beg some 23 year old uneducated black kid to keep his word and then get humiliated in the press and public. And while some or many or most of the owners might hate Cuban personally, he is still one of them. Refusing to even acknowledge an owner, whom you've given your word to, and hide in a locked house and ignoring your own agents is a disrespect to Cuban, which by extension is a disrespect to all owners.

Mocking the league is not the kind of attention the NBA wants. Not a chance.

Looking like a circus isn't the kind of media glare the league wants.

Wow. You are making a lot of stereotypical assumptions in your post that are really out of line. The bottomline is there is a moratorium in which all verbal deals are non-final. Teams cannot even officially comment on those verbal agreements, which shows how non-binding they are. Jordan changed his mind, which he had a right to do. The solution is simple. Do away with the moratorium. If the NBA needs 7 days to figure out the cap figure (which I never understood why that was the case), then it should not let teams start negotiating until the end of the 7-day period. In that way, when a guy agrees to a deal, you can have him immediately sign a contract.

TripleThreat wrote:
TheGame wrote: Jordan changed his mind, which he had a right to do. The solution is simple.

DeAndre Jordan broke what was considered an area governed by a "gentleman's agreement"

You ever hear the saying, "This is why we can never have anything nice around here?" Usually it's because a select few douchebags take advantage of a loophole or something they can exploit, then that former area of freedom or opportunity is taken away from everyone.

What Jordan did, hiding from Cuban and his own agents, and then hiding behind his own owner, GM/coach and core franchise players is childish. You act like a child, people will determine it's time to treat you like a child.

The irony here is if the Knicks were a far more competitive team and another Eastern team did this to them, most ( I should say ALL) of you "So what , who cares?" crowd would be up in arms about it. That's the thing about ethics, you learn a lot from people who see insult only on a sliding scale.

To allow this to happen in the future is the NBA saying it enables low character. That's bad for business, it's bad for marketing the league, it's bad trying to appeal to fans in general, it's bad for trying to push the game as "family friendly"

A man's word should mean something. When a man gives his word and bond, that should mean something. For those of you who want to excuse it away, I feel sorry for you, but I feel sorry more for your kids.

Think about DeAndre Jordan. His kids will learn, by observation, than a man's word doesn't have to mean anything. Kids learn from their parents by what they see every single day. They learn by watching how the people who are supposed to guide and teach them, how those people live their own lives. Jordan didn't just piss on the Mavericks, he pissed on his own good name, his family name and his kids.

Those of you who think what Jordan did was ok because he could make more money or he's going to better team anyway or its ok because there is no real "rule" to stop him, then I feel sorry for all your kids. Every last one of them. Because if it happened to the Knicks, you would be livid. When right and wrong goes on a sliding scale for someone, that someone is exhibiting low character. The test of real character is what you do when you get a little power, or if you choose to do the right thing when no one is looking, when you could get away with doing the wrong thing without social repercussions for it.

And that's the thing. People always show you their value structure by how they suggest their tolerance for others to either do the right thing or do the wrong thing.

I feel sorry for DeAndre Jordan. There is no amount of money or soft circumstance where a man should sell his good name and word as bond.

I feel sorry for Jordan's children. Because he just taught them by action and inaction that character means nothing.

And I feel sorry for some of the children of some of you. Rationalizing unethical behavior is about the worst lesson you can teach your kids.

A man's word should mean something. That that specific point needs to actually be articulated and explained to some of you is beyond pathetic.

And when some third string power forward lays a forearm into Blake Griffin and drives him into the floor and the refs look the other way, well Blake asked for it. How much of an idiot do you have to be to mock the league and incite the owners before what is clearly going to be an impending labor war.


It's a business, sunshine. Jordan's kids will learn that daddy had options and he hadn't signed anything, and your owner gentlemen who are party to the make believe agreement wouldn't give two rat farts about DJ if he couldn't perform on the court. And owners will continue to beg and plead because your so called uneducated 23 year old black kids can do things that put fannies in the seats and money in the ledgers.

Melo could have pulled the same crap on Phil and I'm sure you'd be abandoning all this Mr. Smith Goes to Nirvana happy happy family legacy bs and be all warm and fuzzy about how he made the right choice going to Chicago or Houston...

I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop and find out all this ranting about family values is somehow some sort of veiled Melohate...

A family friendly game. Right; with underpaid, underdressed dancing hos, owners who trade men like so much ground turkey, and players who make millions and don't truly care about the Joe Blow Angry Sportsboard morality police.

Dream on.

i know you are chief of the melo police but nobody has even bashed him so no need to come to the rescue

more like barney fife.

by the way, david west is a free man-- he took much less money because that was his choice. jordan is also a free man-- he was free to change his mind, free to be persuaded to remain by doc rivers and even chris paul. people may not like the way jordan handled his business but that should not be confused with being a dirtbag. a "man's word" is not quite the same thing as a "verbal agreement."

melo? he is not a free man because it is clear he is a slave to money....

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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7/10/2015  12:16 PM
dk7th wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
TheGame wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
y2zipper wrote:......keeps teams in the news and keeps attention on the league. This isn't the first time a player has reneged on a verbal commitment and probably won't be the last, but the drama is good for the league.

This isn't the kind of drama or attention the NBA wants.

It's one thing to do it, it's another for Chris Paul and Blake Griffin and Doc Rivers to go on Tweeting and Instagraming and rubbing it in everyone's faces. It makes a mockery of the system and doing so disrespects the Commissioner and the league administration.

Silver works for the owners, and the aggregate of owners aren't going to want to spend every offseason in a jet, trying to beg guys to stay to their word. There is too much room for raw abuse of this, which makes the league anti competitive. No way Silver will endorse risking teams using this kind of gamesmanship to tarnish the competitiveness of the entire league.

The players and the players union lost the last labor war and lost it badly. All this will do is incite the aggregate of owners into pushing for what they first proposed the last time, which was universal and widespread normalization of non guaranteed contracts and a hard cap. LeBron, Wade and Bosh went around and made owners beg and plead with them, while knowing what they were going to do anyway, then they flaunted it in front of the league and what happened? The owners in the next labor war crushed the players and made sure nothing like that could ever happen again. You can't have three close to max players and still have a functional team in the modern game.

NBA players have the most current leverage of all of the major US pro sports, however every time they flaunt it, they get hammered in the next labor war. No aging white billionaire is going to want to get on hands and knees and beg some 23 year old uneducated black kid to keep his word and then get humiliated in the press and public. And while some or many or most of the owners might hate Cuban personally, he is still one of them. Refusing to even acknowledge an owner, whom you've given your word to, and hide in a locked house and ignoring your own agents is a disrespect to Cuban, which by extension is a disrespect to all owners.

Mocking the league is not the kind of attention the NBA wants. Not a chance.

Looking like a circus isn't the kind of media glare the league wants.

Wow. You are making a lot of stereotypical assumptions in your post that are really out of line. The bottomline is there is a moratorium in which all verbal deals are non-final. Teams cannot even officially comment on those verbal agreements, which shows how non-binding they are. Jordan changed his mind, which he had a right to do. The solution is simple. Do away with the moratorium. If the NBA needs 7 days to figure out the cap figure (which I never understood why that was the case), then it should not let teams start negotiating until the end of the 7-day period. In that way, when a guy agrees to a deal, you can have him immediately sign a contract.

TripleThreat wrote:
TheGame wrote: Jordan changed his mind, which he had a right to do. The solution is simple.

DeAndre Jordan broke what was considered an area governed by a "gentleman's agreement"

You ever hear the saying, "This is why we can never have anything nice around here?" Usually it's because a select few douchebags take advantage of a loophole or something they can exploit, then that former area of freedom or opportunity is taken away from everyone.

What Jordan did, hiding from Cuban and his own agents, and then hiding behind his own owner, GM/coach and core franchise players is childish. You act like a child, people will determine it's time to treat you like a child.

The irony here is if the Knicks were a far more competitive team and another Eastern team did this to them, most ( I should say ALL) of you "So what , who cares?" crowd would be up in arms about it. That's the thing about ethics, you learn a lot from people who see insult only on a sliding scale.

To allow this to happen in the future is the NBA saying it enables low character. That's bad for business, it's bad for marketing the league, it's bad trying to appeal to fans in general, it's bad for trying to push the game as "family friendly"

A man's word should mean something. When a man gives his word and bond, that should mean something. For those of you who want to excuse it away, I feel sorry for you, but I feel sorry more for your kids.

Think about DeAndre Jordan. His kids will learn, by observation, than a man's word doesn't have to mean anything. Kids learn from their parents by what they see every single day. They learn by watching how the people who are supposed to guide and teach them, how those people live their own lives. Jordan didn't just piss on the Mavericks, he pissed on his own good name, his family name and his kids.

Those of you who think what Jordan did was ok because he could make more money or he's going to better team anyway or its ok because there is no real "rule" to stop him, then I feel sorry for all your kids. Every last one of them. Because if it happened to the Knicks, you would be livid. When right and wrong goes on a sliding scale for someone, that someone is exhibiting low character. The test of real character is what you do when you get a little power, or if you choose to do the right thing when no one is looking, when you could get away with doing the wrong thing without social repercussions for it.

And that's the thing. People always show you their value structure by how they suggest their tolerance for others to either do the right thing or do the wrong thing.

I feel sorry for DeAndre Jordan. There is no amount of money or soft circumstance where a man should sell his good name and word as bond.

I feel sorry for Jordan's children. Because he just taught them by action and inaction that character means nothing.

And I feel sorry for some of the children of some of you. Rationalizing unethical behavior is about the worst lesson you can teach your kids.

A man's word should mean something. That that specific point needs to actually be articulated and explained to some of you is beyond pathetic.

And when some third string power forward lays a forearm into Blake Griffin and drives him into the floor and the refs look the other way, well Blake asked for it. How much of an idiot do you have to be to mock the league and incite the owners before what is clearly going to be an impending labor war.


It's a business, sunshine. Jordan's kids will learn that daddy had options and he hadn't signed anything, and your owner gentlemen who are party to the make believe agreement wouldn't give two rat farts about DJ if he couldn't perform on the court. And owners will continue to beg and plead because your so called uneducated 23 year old black kids can do things that put fannies in the seats and money in the ledgers.

Melo could have pulled the same crap on Phil and I'm sure you'd be abandoning all this Mr. Smith Goes to Nirvana happy happy family legacy bs and be all warm and fuzzy about how he made the right choice going to Chicago or Houston...

I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop and find out all this ranting about family values is somehow some sort of veiled Melohate...

A family friendly game. Right; with underpaid, underdressed dancing hos, owners who trade men like so much ground turkey, and players who make millions and don't truly care about the Joe Blow Angry Sportsboard morality police.

Dream on.

i know you are chief of the melo police but nobody has even bashed him so no need to come to the rescue

more like barney fife.

by the way, david west is a free man-- he took much less money because that was his choice. jordan is also a free man-- he was free to change his mind, free to be persuaded to remain by doc rivers and even chris paul. people may not like the way jordan handled his business but that should not be confused with being a dirtbag. a "man's word" is not quite the same thing as a "verbal agreement."

melo? he is not a free man because it is clear he is a slave to money....

so the right to choose money is not a right of a free man?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/10/2015  12:18 PM
mreinman wrote:
dk7th wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
TheGame wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
y2zipper wrote:......keeps teams in the news and keeps attention on the league. This isn't the first time a player has reneged on a verbal commitment and probably won't be the last, but the drama is good for the league.

This isn't the kind of drama or attention the NBA wants.

It's one thing to do it, it's another for Chris Paul and Blake Griffin and Doc Rivers to go on Tweeting and Instagraming and rubbing it in everyone's faces. It makes a mockery of the system and doing so disrespects the Commissioner and the league administration.

Silver works for the owners, and the aggregate of owners aren't going to want to spend every offseason in a jet, trying to beg guys to stay to their word. There is too much room for raw abuse of this, which makes the league anti competitive. No way Silver will endorse risking teams using this kind of gamesmanship to tarnish the competitiveness of the entire league.

The players and the players union lost the last labor war and lost it badly. All this will do is incite the aggregate of owners into pushing for what they first proposed the last time, which was universal and widespread normalization of non guaranteed contracts and a hard cap. LeBron, Wade and Bosh went around and made owners beg and plead with them, while knowing what they were going to do anyway, then they flaunted it in front of the league and what happened? The owners in the next labor war crushed the players and made sure nothing like that could ever happen again. You can't have three close to max players and still have a functional team in the modern game.

NBA players have the most current leverage of all of the major US pro sports, however every time they flaunt it, they get hammered in the next labor war. No aging white billionaire is going to want to get on hands and knees and beg some 23 year old uneducated black kid to keep his word and then get humiliated in the press and public. And while some or many or most of the owners might hate Cuban personally, he is still one of them. Refusing to even acknowledge an owner, whom you've given your word to, and hide in a locked house and ignoring your own agents is a disrespect to Cuban, which by extension is a disrespect to all owners.

Mocking the league is not the kind of attention the NBA wants. Not a chance.

Looking like a circus isn't the kind of media glare the league wants.

Wow. You are making a lot of stereotypical assumptions in your post that are really out of line. The bottomline is there is a moratorium in which all verbal deals are non-final. Teams cannot even officially comment on those verbal agreements, which shows how non-binding they are. Jordan changed his mind, which he had a right to do. The solution is simple. Do away with the moratorium. If the NBA needs 7 days to figure out the cap figure (which I never understood why that was the case), then it should not let teams start negotiating until the end of the 7-day period. In that way, when a guy agrees to a deal, you can have him immediately sign a contract.

TripleThreat wrote:
TheGame wrote: Jordan changed his mind, which he had a right to do. The solution is simple.

DeAndre Jordan broke what was considered an area governed by a "gentleman's agreement"

You ever hear the saying, "This is why we can never have anything nice around here?" Usually it's because a select few douchebags take advantage of a loophole or something they can exploit, then that former area of freedom or opportunity is taken away from everyone.

What Jordan did, hiding from Cuban and his own agents, and then hiding behind his own owner, GM/coach and core franchise players is childish. You act like a child, people will determine it's time to treat you like a child.

The irony here is if the Knicks were a far more competitive team and another Eastern team did this to them, most ( I should say ALL) of you "So what , who cares?" crowd would be up in arms about it. That's the thing about ethics, you learn a lot from people who see insult only on a sliding scale.

To allow this to happen in the future is the NBA saying it enables low character. That's bad for business, it's bad for marketing the league, it's bad trying to appeal to fans in general, it's bad for trying to push the game as "family friendly"

A man's word should mean something. When a man gives his word and bond, that should mean something. For those of you who want to excuse it away, I feel sorry for you, but I feel sorry more for your kids.

Think about DeAndre Jordan. His kids will learn, by observation, than a man's word doesn't have to mean anything. Kids learn from their parents by what they see every single day. They learn by watching how the people who are supposed to guide and teach them, how those people live their own lives. Jordan didn't just piss on the Mavericks, he pissed on his own good name, his family name and his kids.

Those of you who think what Jordan did was ok because he could make more money or he's going to better team anyway or its ok because there is no real "rule" to stop him, then I feel sorry for all your kids. Every last one of them. Because if it happened to the Knicks, you would be livid. When right and wrong goes on a sliding scale for someone, that someone is exhibiting low character. The test of real character is what you do when you get a little power, or if you choose to do the right thing when no one is looking, when you could get away with doing the wrong thing without social repercussions for it.

And that's the thing. People always show you their value structure by how they suggest their tolerance for others to either do the right thing or do the wrong thing.

I feel sorry for DeAndre Jordan. There is no amount of money or soft circumstance where a man should sell his good name and word as bond.

I feel sorry for Jordan's children. Because he just taught them by action and inaction that character means nothing.

And I feel sorry for some of the children of some of you. Rationalizing unethical behavior is about the worst lesson you can teach your kids.

A man's word should mean something. That that specific point needs to actually be articulated and explained to some of you is beyond pathetic.

And when some third string power forward lays a forearm into Blake Griffin and drives him into the floor and the refs look the other way, well Blake asked for it. How much of an idiot do you have to be to mock the league and incite the owners before what is clearly going to be an impending labor war.


It's a business, sunshine. Jordan's kids will learn that daddy had options and he hadn't signed anything, and your owner gentlemen who are party to the make believe agreement wouldn't give two rat farts about DJ if he couldn't perform on the court. And owners will continue to beg and plead because your so called uneducated 23 year old black kids can do things that put fannies in the seats and money in the ledgers.

Melo could have pulled the same crap on Phil and I'm sure you'd be abandoning all this Mr. Smith Goes to Nirvana happy happy family legacy bs and be all warm and fuzzy about how he made the right choice going to Chicago or Houston...

I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop and find out all this ranting about family values is somehow some sort of veiled Melohate...

A family friendly game. Right; with underpaid, underdressed dancing hos, owners who trade men like so much ground turkey, and players who make millions and don't truly care about the Joe Blow Angry Sportsboard morality police.

Dream on.

i know you are chief of the melo police but nobody has even bashed him so no need to come to the rescue

more like barney fife.

by the way, david west is a free man-- he took much less money because that was his choice. jordan is also a free man-- he was free to change his mind, free to be persuaded to remain by doc rivers and even chris paul. people may not like the way jordan handled his business but that should not be confused with being a dirtbag. a "man's word" is not quite the same thing as a "verbal agreement."

melo? he is not a free man because it is clear he is a slave to money....

so the right to choose money is not a right of a free man?


Also, didn't they both choose the money after exploring free agency?
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7/10/2015  1:02 PM
mreinman wrote:
dk7th wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
TheGame wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
y2zipper wrote:......keeps teams in the news and keeps attention on the league. This isn't the first time a player has reneged on a verbal commitment and probably won't be the last, but the drama is good for the league.

This isn't the kind of drama or attention the NBA wants.

It's one thing to do it, it's another for Chris Paul and Blake Griffin and Doc Rivers to go on Tweeting and Instagraming and rubbing it in everyone's faces. It makes a mockery of the system and doing so disrespects the Commissioner and the league administration.

Silver works for the owners, and the aggregate of owners aren't going to want to spend every offseason in a jet, trying to beg guys to stay to their word. There is too much room for raw abuse of this, which makes the league anti competitive. No way Silver will endorse risking teams using this kind of gamesmanship to tarnish the competitiveness of the entire league.

The players and the players union lost the last labor war and lost it badly. All this will do is incite the aggregate of owners into pushing for what they first proposed the last time, which was universal and widespread normalization of non guaranteed contracts and a hard cap. LeBron, Wade and Bosh went around and made owners beg and plead with them, while knowing what they were going to do anyway, then they flaunted it in front of the league and what happened? The owners in the next labor war crushed the players and made sure nothing like that could ever happen again. You can't have three close to max players and still have a functional team in the modern game.

NBA players have the most current leverage of all of the major US pro sports, however every time they flaunt it, they get hammered in the next labor war. No aging white billionaire is going to want to get on hands and knees and beg some 23 year old uneducated black kid to keep his word and then get humiliated in the press and public. And while some or many or most of the owners might hate Cuban personally, he is still one of them. Refusing to even acknowledge an owner, whom you've given your word to, and hide in a locked house and ignoring your own agents is a disrespect to Cuban, which by extension is a disrespect to all owners.

Mocking the league is not the kind of attention the NBA wants. Not a chance.

Looking like a circus isn't the kind of media glare the league wants.

Wow. You are making a lot of stereotypical assumptions in your post that are really out of line. The bottomline is there is a moratorium in which all verbal deals are non-final. Teams cannot even officially comment on those verbal agreements, which shows how non-binding they are. Jordan changed his mind, which he had a right to do. The solution is simple. Do away with the moratorium. If the NBA needs 7 days to figure out the cap figure (which I never understood why that was the case), then it should not let teams start negotiating until the end of the 7-day period. In that way, when a guy agrees to a deal, you can have him immediately sign a contract.

TripleThreat wrote:
TheGame wrote: Jordan changed his mind, which he had a right to do. The solution is simple.

DeAndre Jordan broke what was considered an area governed by a "gentleman's agreement"

You ever hear the saying, "This is why we can never have anything nice around here?" Usually it's because a select few douchebags take advantage of a loophole or something they can exploit, then that former area of freedom or opportunity is taken away from everyone.

What Jordan did, hiding from Cuban and his own agents, and then hiding behind his own owner, GM/coach and core franchise players is childish. You act like a child, people will determine it's time to treat you like a child.

The irony here is if the Knicks were a far more competitive team and another Eastern team did this to them, most ( I should say ALL) of you "So what , who cares?" crowd would be up in arms about it. That's the thing about ethics, you learn a lot from people who see insult only on a sliding scale.

To allow this to happen in the future is the NBA saying it enables low character. That's bad for business, it's bad for marketing the league, it's bad trying to appeal to fans in general, it's bad for trying to push the game as "family friendly"

A man's word should mean something. When a man gives his word and bond, that should mean something. For those of you who want to excuse it away, I feel sorry for you, but I feel sorry more for your kids.

Think about DeAndre Jordan. His kids will learn, by observation, than a man's word doesn't have to mean anything. Kids learn from their parents by what they see every single day. They learn by watching how the people who are supposed to guide and teach them, how those people live their own lives. Jordan didn't just piss on the Mavericks, he pissed on his own good name, his family name and his kids.

Those of you who think what Jordan did was ok because he could make more money or he's going to better team anyway or its ok because there is no real "rule" to stop him, then I feel sorry for all your kids. Every last one of them. Because if it happened to the Knicks, you would be livid. When right and wrong goes on a sliding scale for someone, that someone is exhibiting low character. The test of real character is what you do when you get a little power, or if you choose to do the right thing when no one is looking, when you could get away with doing the wrong thing without social repercussions for it.

And that's the thing. People always show you their value structure by how they suggest their tolerance for others to either do the right thing or do the wrong thing.

I feel sorry for DeAndre Jordan. There is no amount of money or soft circumstance where a man should sell his good name and word as bond.

I feel sorry for Jordan's children. Because he just taught them by action and inaction that character means nothing.

And I feel sorry for some of the children of some of you. Rationalizing unethical behavior is about the worst lesson you can teach your kids.

A man's word should mean something. That that specific point needs to actually be articulated and explained to some of you is beyond pathetic.

And when some third string power forward lays a forearm into Blake Griffin and drives him into the floor and the refs look the other way, well Blake asked for it. How much of an idiot do you have to be to mock the league and incite the owners before what is clearly going to be an impending labor war.


It's a business, sunshine. Jordan's kids will learn that daddy had options and he hadn't signed anything, and your owner gentlemen who are party to the make believe agreement wouldn't give two rat farts about DJ if he couldn't perform on the court. And owners will continue to beg and plead because your so called uneducated 23 year old black kids can do things that put fannies in the seats and money in the ledgers.

Melo could have pulled the same crap on Phil and I'm sure you'd be abandoning all this Mr. Smith Goes to Nirvana happy happy family legacy bs and be all warm and fuzzy about how he made the right choice going to Chicago or Houston...

I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop and find out all this ranting about family values is somehow some sort of veiled Melohate...

A family friendly game. Right; with underpaid, underdressed dancing hos, owners who trade men like so much ground turkey, and players who make millions and don't truly care about the Joe Blow Angry Sportsboard morality police.

Dream on.

i know you are chief of the melo police but nobody has even bashed him so no need to come to the rescue

more like barney fife.

by the way, david west is a free man-- he took much less money because that was his choice. jordan is also a free man-- he was free to change his mind, free to be persuaded to remain by doc rivers and even chris paul. people may not like the way jordan handled his business but that should not be confused with being a dirtbag. a "man's word" is not quite the same thing as a "verbal agreement."

melo? he is not a free man because it is clear he is a slave to money....

so the right to choose money is not a right of a free man?

not if that is all you ever choose. he has demonstrated that he chooses money first, last and always. that is not the track record of a free man it's damning evidence of being a slave to money. what's absurd is that after "kind of forcing his way here" he claimed that the reason why he stayed with the knicks-- after getting melomax money and a no-trade clause-- was because he had "some unfinished business." the fact is that he stayed for the money once again. he could have had a far better chance of winning elsewhere, playing important games in May at the very least.

at least now we have a frame of reference from which to judge him-- an increasing number of players in the league are demonstrating monetary sacrifice in service to elevating the chance of winning a title.

what is melo's excuse?

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dk7th wrote:not if that is all you ever choose. he has demonstrated that he chooses money first, last and always. that is not the track record of a free man it's damning evidence of being a slave to money. what's absurd is that after "kind of forcing his way here" he claimed that the reason why he stayed with the knicks-- after getting melomax money and a no-trade clause-- was because he had "some unfinished business." the fact is that he stayed for the money once again. he could have had a far better chance of winning elsewhere, playing important games in May at the very least.

at least now we have a frame of reference from which to judge him-- an increasing number of players in the league are demonstrating monetary sacrifice in service to elevating the chance of winning a title.

what is melo's excuse?

yes thats why the big names in FA this offseason got pizzaid, because they're all taking a monetary sacrifice.

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dk7th wrote:
mreinman wrote:
dk7th wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
TheGame wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
y2zipper wrote:......keeps teams in the news and keeps attention on the league. This isn't the first time a player has reneged on a verbal commitment and probably won't be the last, but the drama is good for the league.

This isn't the kind of drama or attention the NBA wants.

It's one thing to do it, it's another for Chris Paul and Blake Griffin and Doc Rivers to go on Tweeting and Instagraming and rubbing it in everyone's faces. It makes a mockery of the system and doing so disrespects the Commissioner and the league administration.

Silver works for the owners, and the aggregate of owners aren't going to want to spend every offseason in a jet, trying to beg guys to stay to their word. There is too much room for raw abuse of this, which makes the league anti competitive. No way Silver will endorse risking teams using this kind of gamesmanship to tarnish the competitiveness of the entire league.

The players and the players union lost the last labor war and lost it badly. All this will do is incite the aggregate of owners into pushing for what they first proposed the last time, which was universal and widespread normalization of non guaranteed contracts and a hard cap. LeBron, Wade and Bosh went around and made owners beg and plead with them, while knowing what they were going to do anyway, then they flaunted it in front of the league and what happened? The owners in the next labor war crushed the players and made sure nothing like that could ever happen again. You can't have three close to max players and still have a functional team in the modern game.

NBA players have the most current leverage of all of the major US pro sports, however every time they flaunt it, they get hammered in the next labor war. No aging white billionaire is going to want to get on hands and knees and beg some 23 year old uneducated black kid to keep his word and then get humiliated in the press and public. And while some or many or most of the owners might hate Cuban personally, he is still one of them. Refusing to even acknowledge an owner, whom you've given your word to, and hide in a locked house and ignoring your own agents is a disrespect to Cuban, which by extension is a disrespect to all owners.

Mocking the league is not the kind of attention the NBA wants. Not a chance.

Looking like a circus isn't the kind of media glare the league wants.

Wow. You are making a lot of stereotypical assumptions in your post that are really out of line. The bottomline is there is a moratorium in which all verbal deals are non-final. Teams cannot even officially comment on those verbal agreements, which shows how non-binding they are. Jordan changed his mind, which he had a right to do. The solution is simple. Do away with the moratorium. If the NBA needs 7 days to figure out the cap figure (which I never understood why that was the case), then it should not let teams start negotiating until the end of the 7-day period. In that way, when a guy agrees to a deal, you can have him immediately sign a contract.

TripleThreat wrote:
TheGame wrote: Jordan changed his mind, which he had a right to do. The solution is simple.

DeAndre Jordan broke what was considered an area governed by a "gentleman's agreement"

You ever hear the saying, "This is why we can never have anything nice around here?" Usually it's because a select few douchebags take advantage of a loophole or something they can exploit, then that former area of freedom or opportunity is taken away from everyone.

What Jordan did, hiding from Cuban and his own agents, and then hiding behind his own owner, GM/coach and core franchise players is childish. You act like a child, people will determine it's time to treat you like a child.

The irony here is if the Knicks were a far more competitive team and another Eastern team did this to them, most ( I should say ALL) of you "So what , who cares?" crowd would be up in arms about it. That's the thing about ethics, you learn a lot from people who see insult only on a sliding scale.

To allow this to happen in the future is the NBA saying it enables low character. That's bad for business, it's bad for marketing the league, it's bad trying to appeal to fans in general, it's bad for trying to push the game as "family friendly"

A man's word should mean something. When a man gives his word and bond, that should mean something. For those of you who want to excuse it away, I feel sorry for you, but I feel sorry more for your kids.

Think about DeAndre Jordan. His kids will learn, by observation, than a man's word doesn't have to mean anything. Kids learn from their parents by what they see every single day. They learn by watching how the people who are supposed to guide and teach them, how those people live their own lives. Jordan didn't just piss on the Mavericks, he pissed on his own good name, his family name and his kids.

Those of you who think what Jordan did was ok because he could make more money or he's going to better team anyway or its ok because there is no real "rule" to stop him, then I feel sorry for all your kids. Every last one of them. Because if it happened to the Knicks, you would be livid. When right and wrong goes on a sliding scale for someone, that someone is exhibiting low character. The test of real character is what you do when you get a little power, or if you choose to do the right thing when no one is looking, when you could get away with doing the wrong thing without social repercussions for it.

And that's the thing. People always show you their value structure by how they suggest their tolerance for others to either do the right thing or do the wrong thing.

I feel sorry for DeAndre Jordan. There is no amount of money or soft circumstance where a man should sell his good name and word as bond.

I feel sorry for Jordan's children. Because he just taught them by action and inaction that character means nothing.

And I feel sorry for some of the children of some of you. Rationalizing unethical behavior is about the worst lesson you can teach your kids.

A man's word should mean something. That that specific point needs to actually be articulated and explained to some of you is beyond pathetic.

And when some third string power forward lays a forearm into Blake Griffin and drives him into the floor and the refs look the other way, well Blake asked for it. How much of an idiot do you have to be to mock the league and incite the owners before what is clearly going to be an impending labor war.


It's a business, sunshine. Jordan's kids will learn that daddy had options and he hadn't signed anything, and your owner gentlemen who are party to the make believe agreement wouldn't give two rat farts about DJ if he couldn't perform on the court. And owners will continue to beg and plead because your so called uneducated 23 year old black kids can do things that put fannies in the seats and money in the ledgers.

Melo could have pulled the same crap on Phil and I'm sure you'd be abandoning all this Mr. Smith Goes to Nirvana happy happy family legacy bs and be all warm and fuzzy about how he made the right choice going to Chicago or Houston...

I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop and find out all this ranting about family values is somehow some sort of veiled Melohate...

A family friendly game. Right; with underpaid, underdressed dancing hos, owners who trade men like so much ground turkey, and players who make millions and don't truly care about the Joe Blow Angry Sportsboard morality police.

Dream on.

i know you are chief of the melo police but nobody has even bashed him so no need to come to the rescue

more like barney fife.

by the way, david west is a free man-- he took much less money because that was his choice. jordan is also a free man-- he was free to change his mind, free to be persuaded to remain by doc rivers and even chris paul. people may not like the way jordan handled his business but that should not be confused with being a dirtbag. a "man's word" is not quite the same thing as a "verbal agreement."

melo? he is not a free man because it is clear he is a slave to money....

so the right to choose money is not a right of a free man?

not if that is all you ever choose. he has demonstrated that he chooses money first, last and always. that is not the track record of a free man it's damning evidence of being a slave to money. what's absurd is that after "kind of forcing his way here" he claimed that the reason why he stayed with the knicks-- after getting melomax money and a no-trade clause-- was because he had "some unfinished business." the fact is that he stayed for the money once again. he could have had a far better chance of winning elsewhere, playing important games in May at the very least.

at least now we have a frame of reference from which to judge him-- an increasing number of players in the league are demonstrating monetary sacrifice in service to elevating the chance of winning a title.

what is melo's excuse?

One guy is up front and says he is going to explore free agency and then make a decision. A second guy tells a team he is going to sign with them and they commit salary to him and don't pursue other free agents. The second guy decides in the 19th hour that he isn't going to sign with the team he committed to. Because of this that team missed out on many other opportunities to acquire talent that would have helped their team. After looking at both scenarios the first guy is the villain?

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CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
mreinman wrote:
dk7th wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
TheGame wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
y2zipper wrote:......keeps teams in the news and keeps attention on the league. This isn't the first time a player has reneged on a verbal commitment and probably won't be the last, but the drama is good for the league.

This isn't the kind of drama or attention the NBA wants.

It's one thing to do it, it's another for Chris Paul and Blake Griffin and Doc Rivers to go on Tweeting and Instagraming and rubbing it in everyone's faces. It makes a mockery of the system and doing so disrespects the Commissioner and the league administration.

Silver works for the owners, and the aggregate of owners aren't going to want to spend every offseason in a jet, trying to beg guys to stay to their word. There is too much room for raw abuse of this, which makes the league anti competitive. No way Silver will endorse risking teams using this kind of gamesmanship to tarnish the competitiveness of the entire league.

The players and the players union lost the last labor war and lost it badly. All this will do is incite the aggregate of owners into pushing for what they first proposed the last time, which was universal and widespread normalization of non guaranteed contracts and a hard cap. LeBron, Wade and Bosh went around and made owners beg and plead with them, while knowing what they were going to do anyway, then they flaunted it in front of the league and what happened? The owners in the next labor war crushed the players and made sure nothing like that could ever happen again. You can't have three close to max players and still have a functional team in the modern game.

NBA players have the most current leverage of all of the major US pro sports, however every time they flaunt it, they get hammered in the next labor war. No aging white billionaire is going to want to get on hands and knees and beg some 23 year old uneducated black kid to keep his word and then get humiliated in the press and public. And while some or many or most of the owners might hate Cuban personally, he is still one of them. Refusing to even acknowledge an owner, whom you've given your word to, and hide in a locked house and ignoring your own agents is a disrespect to Cuban, which by extension is a disrespect to all owners.

Mocking the league is not the kind of attention the NBA wants. Not a chance.

Looking like a circus isn't the kind of media glare the league wants.

Wow. You are making a lot of stereotypical assumptions in your post that are really out of line. The bottomline is there is a moratorium in which all verbal deals are non-final. Teams cannot even officially comment on those verbal agreements, which shows how non-binding they are. Jordan changed his mind, which he had a right to do. The solution is simple. Do away with the moratorium. If the NBA needs 7 days to figure out the cap figure (which I never understood why that was the case), then it should not let teams start negotiating until the end of the 7-day period. In that way, when a guy agrees to a deal, you can have him immediately sign a contract.

TripleThreat wrote:
TheGame wrote: Jordan changed his mind, which he had a right to do. The solution is simple.

DeAndre Jordan broke what was considered an area governed by a "gentleman's agreement"

You ever hear the saying, "This is why we can never have anything nice around here?" Usually it's because a select few douchebags take advantage of a loophole or something they can exploit, then that former area of freedom or opportunity is taken away from everyone.

What Jordan did, hiding from Cuban and his own agents, and then hiding behind his own owner, GM/coach and core franchise players is childish. You act like a child, people will determine it's time to treat you like a child.

The irony here is if the Knicks were a far more competitive team and another Eastern team did this to them, most ( I should say ALL) of you "So what , who cares?" crowd would be up in arms about it. That's the thing about ethics, you learn a lot from people who see insult only on a sliding scale.

To allow this to happen in the future is the NBA saying it enables low character. That's bad for business, it's bad for marketing the league, it's bad trying to appeal to fans in general, it's bad for trying to push the game as "family friendly"

A man's word should mean something. When a man gives his word and bond, that should mean something. For those of you who want to excuse it away, I feel sorry for you, but I feel sorry more for your kids.

Think about DeAndre Jordan. His kids will learn, by observation, than a man's word doesn't have to mean anything. Kids learn from their parents by what they see every single day. They learn by watching how the people who are supposed to guide and teach them, how those people live their own lives. Jordan didn't just piss on the Mavericks, he pissed on his own good name, his family name and his kids.

Those of you who think what Jordan did was ok because he could make more money or he's going to better team anyway or its ok because there is no real "rule" to stop him, then I feel sorry for all your kids. Every last one of them. Because if it happened to the Knicks, you would be livid. When right and wrong goes on a sliding scale for someone, that someone is exhibiting low character. The test of real character is what you do when you get a little power, or if you choose to do the right thing when no one is looking, when you could get away with doing the wrong thing without social repercussions for it.

And that's the thing. People always show you their value structure by how they suggest their tolerance for others to either do the right thing or do the wrong thing.

I feel sorry for DeAndre Jordan. There is no amount of money or soft circumstance where a man should sell his good name and word as bond.

I feel sorry for Jordan's children. Because he just taught them by action and inaction that character means nothing.

And I feel sorry for some of the children of some of you. Rationalizing unethical behavior is about the worst lesson you can teach your kids.

A man's word should mean something. That that specific point needs to actually be articulated and explained to some of you is beyond pathetic.

And when some third string power forward lays a forearm into Blake Griffin and drives him into the floor and the refs look the other way, well Blake asked for it. How much of an idiot do you have to be to mock the league and incite the owners before what is clearly going to be an impending labor war.


It's a business, sunshine. Jordan's kids will learn that daddy had options and he hadn't signed anything, and your owner gentlemen who are party to the make believe agreement wouldn't give two rat farts about DJ if he couldn't perform on the court. And owners will continue to beg and plead because your so called uneducated 23 year old black kids can do things that put fannies in the seats and money in the ledgers.

Melo could have pulled the same crap on Phil and I'm sure you'd be abandoning all this Mr. Smith Goes to Nirvana happy happy family legacy bs and be all warm and fuzzy about how he made the right choice going to Chicago or Houston...

I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop and find out all this ranting about family values is somehow some sort of veiled Melohate...

A family friendly game. Right; with underpaid, underdressed dancing hos, owners who trade men like so much ground turkey, and players who make millions and don't truly care about the Joe Blow Angry Sportsboard morality police.

Dream on.

i know you are chief of the melo police but nobody has even bashed him so no need to come to the rescue

more like barney fife.

by the way, david west is a free man-- he took much less money because that was his choice. jordan is also a free man-- he was free to change his mind, free to be persuaded to remain by doc rivers and even chris paul. people may not like the way jordan handled his business but that should not be confused with being a dirtbag. a "man's word" is not quite the same thing as a "verbal agreement."

melo? he is not a free man because it is clear he is a slave to money....

so the right to choose money is not a right of a free man?

not if that is all you ever choose. he has demonstrated that he chooses money first, last and always. that is not the track record of a free man it's damning evidence of being a slave to money. what's absurd is that after "kind of forcing his way here" he claimed that the reason why he stayed with the knicks-- after getting melomax money and a no-trade clause-- was because he had "some unfinished business." the fact is that he stayed for the money once again. he could have had a far better chance of winning elsewhere, playing important games in May at the very least.

at least now we have a frame of reference from which to judge him-- an increasing number of players in the league are demonstrating monetary sacrifice in service to elevating the chance of winning a title.

what is melo's excuse?

One guy is up front and says he is going to explore free agency and then make a decision. A second guy tells a team he is going to sign with them and they commit salary to him and don't pursue other free agents. The second guy decides in the 19th hour that he isn't going to sign with the team he committed to. Because of this that team missed out on many other opportunities to acquire talent that would have helped their team. After looking at both scenarios the first guy is the villain?

you left out that the first guy made the announcement days if not hours before the pre-season began. the first guy should have kept his mouth shut and just played ball instead of fouling his own nest. you also left out that the first guy did pretty much the same thing with his previous team-- not simply shutting up and playing ball and honoring his existing contract-- before "kind of forcing his way" to the knicks, decimating them of the very talent he could have used by coming here as a free agent after that season. but instead he fouled his own nest.

the first guy is a serial nest fouler.

the second guy honored his contract to his team, spoke with another team once he became a free agent, made a verbal agreement. that should not preclude the other team from continuing to pursue alternatives. until the ink has dried on a contract everything is fluid. the first guy has apparently decided to remain with a winning situation.

big difference between the first guy and second guy.

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7/10/2015  7:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/11/2015  8:55 AM
here's a nice way of looking at things, courtesy of harvey araton of the ny times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/10/sports/basketball/no-need-for-deandre-jordan-to-apologize.html?ref=basketball

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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dk7th wrote:
more like barney fife.

by the way, david west is a free man-- he took much less money because that was his choice. jordan is also a free man-- he was free to change his mind, free to be persuaded to remain by doc rivers and even chris paul. people may not like the way jordan handled his business but that should not be confused with being a dirtbag. a "man's word" is not quite the same thing as a "verbal agreement."

melo? he is not a free man because it is clear he is a slave to money....


Ahhhh...yeah, it is the same. Sorry, but you are very wrong on this one- and I'm surprised you cannot see this. Other teams made million dollar decisions based on the Jordan/Dallas agreement. Do you really think certain players would have been signed by certain teams if they did not think Jordan's agreement with Dallas might fall through??
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WaltLongmire wrote:Ahhhh...yeah, it is the same. Sorry, but you are very wrong on this one- and I'm surprised you cannot see this. Other teams made million dollar decisions based on the Jordan/Dallas agreement. Do you really think certain players would have been signed by certain teams if they did not think Jordan's agreement with Dallas might fall through??


I think the question to ask Longmire, is for those here who are basically saying, ok, so what, what's the big deal, which of them do you think would be up in arms if this happened, not to the Mavericks, but to the Knicks.
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