newyorknewyork wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Call me crazy but if "culture change" is what you all want (i.e. a rebuild), then how the hell do you not trade the pick to the Celtics for Jared Sullinger and 6 draft picks (as many as 4 in the first round)? Yeah, a 7"2' "shooter" that can't pass, can't rebound, has no offensive counter moves, and can't hold his position in the post is nice and all but I'd have to think that the opportunity to build a TEAM would trump all of that.

Wow - that's just pure hatred right there. Every single thing I have seen on videos and read about this kid says different. But you are entitled to your opinion. Sullinger has done very little and you don't rebuild with a bunch of late firsts, you rebuild by accumulating lottery picks and a shot at players that can really be franchise cornerstones. Something Melo was supposed to be in Denver and then here and failed to be in both places.

Is Porzingis a franchise player? Heck if I know - time will tell. But he has as good a shot of being one as any taken 4th or later. That I can live with.

How do you know the Celtics were offering late first round picks? The only reports available detail just the 16th and the Nets unprotected first in 2016 or 2018 being involved.

As for Porzingis, I know that a leopard doesn't change it's spots. He's not going to be a mediocre rebounder in JV and then magically become an above average rebounder on varsity. He's not going to be a supar passer in JV and then become Vlade Divac on varsity. What we're looking at is a 7ft jump shooter and that will likely be his bread and butter. Hopefully he'll develop counter-moves based on that ability but I see little else in his offensive arsenal that represents a go-to move.

I like Sullinger as a player, had him on my fantasy team. I believe the coach or gm questioned his work ethic tho. Was really upset with him around the time of his injury. He was very inconsistent but would put up some very good numbers across the board. Something like 15-20pts, 8-14rebs to 3-5ast, 1-2blks as well as some 3s sprinkled in. He has talent, its all up to him what he makes of his career.

As for Porzingis he has a pretty good turnaround jumper from the high post, doubt its nba ready at the moment though.

Yeah i had Sullinger on a couple of my fantasy teams and he was a beast before he got hurt but when he got back he just couldn't get it going and i ended up dropping him.

nixluva wrote:I'm actually glad that Phil stayed with the #4 pick. We got enough with the THJ trade for Jerian and the addition of Willy later. Now we can go after a few UDFA's. This is what Phil did last year too. Early, Thanasis, Labeyrie, Galloway and Wear.

I hope we don't pursue any UDFA's. Thanasis, Early,and Labeyrie were all drafted by us. Galloway was the only helpful UDFA we went after. We don't have any space for a UDFA unless we decide not to resign Lou Amundson.

newyorker4ever wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Call me crazy but if "culture change" is what you all want (i.e. a rebuild), then how the hell do you not trade the pick to the Celtics for Jared Sullinger and 6 draft picks (as many as 4 in the first round)? Yeah, a 7"2' "shooter" that can't pass, can't rebound, has no offensive counter moves, and can't hold his position in the post is nice and all but I'd have to think that the opportunity to build a TEAM would trump all of that.

Phil and his scouts said he is a "once in a lifetime" type player...

Yep and the offer made to the Hornets wasn't made to the Knicks.

Actually it was. I made a thread with the article of us being offered trades from Celtics, Orlando and Phoenix and the one from the Celtics was J.Sullinger and a bunch of draft picks.

No it wasn't. The Hornets were offered a lot of draft picks when Winslow was still available at 9. Ainge said he got so caught up in the moment that in hindsight he offered too much to the hornets. I posted an article about in another thread because this keeps coming up. Check the Boston papers. There are at least three articles about Ainge offering what he said in hindsight was probably too much to the Hornets. He also attempted to engage the Heat when he was rejected bu the Hornets. The Knicks were not offered what the hornets were.

Here's the article.

http://www.chatsports.com/new-york-knicks/a/Report-Knicks-Discussed-Jared-Sullinger-Eric-Bledsoe-Trades-2-11546821

I've seen the article that you're talking about but we're talking about what the Celtics offered the Knicks.

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Uptown wrote:I don't necessarily disagree about perhaps moving him, but he may have been misrepresented Isola and the likes...While their reports say, people around Melo didn't like the pick, Melo says out of his on mouth (or his own keyboard) that he thought the Zinger was a steal and he "Can't wait to play with him."

It doesn't have anything to do with message boards non sense..If folks get caught up in that stuff, more power to them..If you are building a Championship you have to be all in..Phil is hedging right now..He brought in a kid that can't help Melo if a team was to be built around him...If this kid is a few years away then do what Philly is doing..Forget about free agents and add young pieces and picks..You can't built two parallel teams...

We weren't winning a championship with either mudiay or Winslow and if anyone thinks we were ur foolin yourself this is a multi year process

TPercy wrote:

nixluva wrote:I'm actually glad that Phil stayed with the #4 pick. We got enough with the THJ trade for Jerian and the addition of Willy later. Now we can go after a few UDFA's. This is what Phil did last year too. Early, Thanasis, Labeyrie, Galloway and Wear.

I hope we don't pursue any UDFA's. Thanasis, Early,and Labeyrie were all drafted by us. Galloway was the only helpful UDFA we went after. We don't have any space for a UDFA unless we decide not to resign Lou Amundson.

Shotgun approach...more pellets...more chance that you hit your target.

The UDFA's and their agents will look at the teams they think they can fit with. No big deal.

I've said this before: I do believe that you should add 2-3 rounds to the draft and have a true farm system, where teams can have move control over players they want to develop. Create some rules so players have opportunities to move on if it is not working with their original team, or have some kind of supplemental draft where players who have not been brought up to the parent team after a specified period of time are pooled and then redrafted, or are just allowed to become FAs.

Lots of money in this game, don't see why the NBA and its teams can't have more control over player development. Got to be more creative. I would also have programs where these players could be taught some life skills and money management ideas.

TPercy wrote:
Oh I thought you meant our main roster.Then yeah we could use some guys for our D League team,

Maurice Ndour will be with us.

At Ohio, Ndour shined as a multi-talented big who could stretch the floor with 3-point shooting and defend well at the rim. Ndour averaged 14.9 points over two seasons with the Bobcats and earned Second Team All-MAC honors in 2014-15. He’s a projected small forward in the NBA, but must develop his ball-handling, passing and perimeter defending skills to hope for an opportunity in the Association.

Ndour is a 6-foot-9 power forward, a Ohio University graduate, and is from Senegal.