dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

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holfresh wrote:The pick makes sense if you are rebuilding, well not really..But that would be the argument..We don't have a pick next year...We are adding FA to help compete beginning next year..This kid isn't going to be ready for a few years if he even gets to that level...Is there a plan and what is it??

yes that is the message phil jackson is sending the knicks: he is drafting for life beyond carmelo anthony. melo does his job of making obscene money and building his stupid brand, while jackson goes about his job of building a winner slowly and patiently. i think it is possible that melo asks out of new york within the next two seasons....

that's a good plan.

We were missing the Melo angle in these discussions..Thanks for your input..

you're the one who strongly implied it in your post-- operative word in your post is "rebuilding" as in "not trying in earnest to win with melo."

please don't start in with the clowning... what's done is done and the message has been sent. you can root for melo wherever he ends up after he demands a trade.

You remind me of Don King...Every appearance he solds an Amreican flag saying he lives in a great country...His every comment is that he lives in a great country..Qduestion you should ask yourself is what will you talk about if Melo gets traded...

i will be talking about how much better the knicks are when the chump asks to be dumped....

Keep running the Melo commentary..There is something to be said about consistency..I'm just not sure what it is..

what will YOU talk about once melo is gone?

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nyk4ever wrote:

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nyk4ever wrote:

wargames wrote:jeez what the fvck is the plan phil.....

isnt it obvious or are you just blind?

What's the plan?

oh look, you finally responded to a post.

Not sure what that means but ok...I asked because it was to make the playoffs..then tank, resign Melo and build around FA..We need defensive rim protector then this..Now long term rebuild, I think??..All this in one year..Sound like someone on weed no?

I thought he had made it pretty clear that he was looking at the long haul.

By rim protector, you mean Stein, I assume, but lots of folks were also pushing for Mudiay at 4, I think he was # 2 in the poll we had, but when you got General Grant, you got a lot of what Mudiay can do, a little added maturity, and a guy who played against better competition than Mudiay did in the 12 or so games he played in China.

Could end up being our Russell Wilson- I think he will come in thinking he will be a starter, and who knows? Better for Galloway to be more of a SG, and Grant was an efficient/low TO PG on a team that featured its passing ability.

I think Porzingis will become NBA ready sooner than some believe, but we'll have to wait on that, but this was a pretty good haul, IMO.

nyk4ever wrote:

holfresh wrote:Even since I can remember during Dolan..We have been conditioned to wait out the current regime..Clock starts tonight for me..3 more years..

dude, i honestly think you're being a little reactionary. don't be one of those people who hires someone do work for them at their house and questions every single move along the way, only to realize at the end that it all makes sense and looks nice. tonight really makes me think everything will look nice at the end. ****ty analogy, i know, but to me it makes sense.

Fisher sucks, Phil sucks..17 wins later..Our first round pick I think Phil siad we will see in five years..Good Luck..

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

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dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:The pick makes sense if you are rebuilding, well not really..But that would be the argument..We don't have a pick next year...We are adding FA to help compete beginning next year..This kid isn't going to be ready for a few years if he even gets to that level...Is there a plan and what is it??

yes that is the message phil jackson is sending the knicks: he is drafting for life beyond carmelo anthony. melo does his job of making obscene money and building his stupid brand, while jackson goes about his job of building a winner slowly and patiently. i think it is possible that melo asks out of new york within the next two seasons....

that's a good plan.

We were missing the Melo angle in these discussions..Thanks for your input..

you're the one who strongly implied it in your post-- operative word in your post is "rebuilding" as in "not trying in earnest to win with melo."

please don't start in with the clowning... what's done is done and the message has been sent. you can root for melo wherever he ends up after he demands a trade.

You remind me of Don King...Every appearance he solds an Amreican flag saying he lives in a great country...His every comment is that he lives in a great country..Qduestion you should ask yourself is what will you talk about if Melo gets traded...

i will be talking about how much better the knicks are when the chump asks to be dumped....

Keep running the Melo commentary..There is something to be said about consistency..I'm just not sure what it is..

what will YOU talk about once melo is gone?

I can guarantee it won't be Melo..

that makes two of us

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foosballnick wrote:Holfresh, I think you are missing the point. I am not looking for proof from you. You have already made your decisions on condemning Phil and Fisher. I am looking for proof based on how this roster comes together and progresses prior to being judgemental. As I said, I don't feel the need to constantly judge when I don't think the the house has been wholly built yet.

Listen..From day one, I have stated..Phil is doing this for the wrong reasons...Phil is here to tell the world that the triangle was responsible for his 11 rings and not the players..He wants to prove that it works despite it's many failures...I'm a Knick fan first and foremost...I could give two shets about Phil "Action" Jackson legacy..It kills me that he has the nerve to use Dolan's weaknesses and this organization ineptness to promote his personal agenda...He has changed course about three times in one year...You can ignore it and hope for the best..I'm more the type that analyses as it comes...

One of the most important things I think in the NBA is the relationship between a coach and his players..It's an important bond that cannot be compromised if you want success...Not letting Fisher dictate how he wants the team to play has compromised that bond for Phil's own agenda...It's not a coincidence that NBA players are saying they don't want to play for Fisher..Phil has compromised him...Kerr was smart enough to know that Knicks were a dead end if they didn't achieve success...Look, I call it as I see it..Phil is doing Phil on a whim..Phil changes with the wind...U are guessing the outcome...U hope for the best as you watch the team crumble...

Say what you want..Our pick can't play defense in this league...Phil admitted as much in the draft interview..

You simply just don't understand what makes Phil tick and what he's all about. Phil is a winner and that's all he knows. He wants to do this the right way. He's not taking a typical approach. He's doing things according to what he knows a winning team should be built on. You can talk trash about this man but he's about as pure a basketball man as we could hope to get and he's not fooling around. You'll see eventually and then you'll just look stupid for talking such nonsense. You should have more respect for a man that has seen as much winning as Phil has and seen the process up close for decades. WTF do you really know about building a winner in comparison to Phil?

Listen all
When Phil has done this GM/Prez stuff before we'd all be less critical & MORE PATIENCE
Phil is a rookie here and earned that opportunity where it all started for him

BUT PLEASE to cite he's done OR doing a great job is a stretch , not shi_t has happened yet
nor will happen for few years so we wait.

Keep in mind this man also went to build 2 sets of multiple championships running the Freaking triangle perfection
with sets of Hall of famers named Michael Jordan (6 for 6 titles) and Scottie Pippen
Then later of course NBA Titles with Hall of Famers to be Kobe Bryant and Shaq Oneal 1 of 3 or 4 all time NBA centers.

Well last time I seen on this damn Knickerbocker team being contructed their is NO STARS/SUPER Stud HOFs to run
the perfections of Triangle offense philosophy of Mr Phil Jackson. Further more the gent named Derrick 'Aloa-wishious' Fisher
is coach NOT aged Phil Jackson who knows Triangle.

SO Folks like myself a little touchy here tonight and As in past I respect other opionions and even learn from them
But Try my very very best not to insult any forum fellow posters here, even took few hurls to my gut I let go.

In conclusion in short I'll run my mouth on pick (we agree or disagree on pick)

There are bunch that goes against the norm, fine.

BUT no one should tell me OR any other forumers that we ALL HAVE TO LIKE OR LOVE The same flippling project prospect picks
for 1-2 years down the road over certified PLAYERs whom 4-8 players passed by Mr Phil Jackson was NBA READY deemed by the
Expert pro analyst in NBA.

We had fans booed and they had right to boo Knicks ass'ss like I booed at home
Thus we all are knick fans of differ opionions. Don't ever forget it. No Insults.
Thus we are in wait mode as most Knick fans have been since 1998-1999 Or 16 years plus of last NYK NBA Finals appearance.

That about sums up the night, disgruntled and Knicks org. gots lots to prove in short 1-3 years ahead
We've seen NOTHING YET and I run my big mouth on Knickerbockers I love will always until I've/We all see some progress!

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:The pick makes sense if you are rebuilding, well not really..But that would be the argument..We don't have a pick next year...We are adding FA to help compete beginning next year..This kid isn't going to be ready for a few years if he even gets to that level...Is there a plan and what is it??

yes that is the message phil jackson is sending the knicks: he is drafting for life beyond carmelo anthony. melo does his job of making obscene money and building his stupid brand, while jackson goes about his job of building a winner slowly and patiently. i think it is possible that melo asks out of new york within the next two seasons....

that's a good plan.

We were missing the Melo angle in these discussions..Thanks for your input..

you're the one who strongly implied it in your post-- operative word in your post is "rebuilding" as in "not trying in earnest to win with melo."

please don't start in with the clowning... what's done is done and the message has been sent. you can root for melo wherever he ends up after he demands a trade.

You remind me of Don King...Every appearance he solds an Amreican flag saying he lives in a great country...His every comment is that he lives in a great country..Qduestion you should ask yourself is what will you talk about if Melo gets traded...

i will be talking about how much better the knicks are when the chump asks to be dumped....

Keep running the Melo commentary..There is something to be said about consistency..I'm just not sure what it is..

what will YOU talk about once melo is gone?

I can guarantee it won't be Melo..

that makes two of us

By the way..If you are Melo, this is exactly why you make sure you take nothing less than the max..If Phil, who is really a hippie, goes rogue, then you have the money to fall back on..Remember when Phil was talking about Melo taking less so we can build a team thru free agency? .Seem like a long time ago doesn't it..

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:All solid picks. They are building for life with Carmelo and beyond, more importantly. Grant will play well this year. He is that type of player. Prozingis is a gym rat. He will be get better and better for the next few years. His ceiling will be determined by his make up and fortitude. I dont think he is a typical Euro big.

Phil is allowing Dolan to sell Carmelo NOW while, Phil is prepping the future beyond Carmelo.

Again, one pick, they got 3 players! 2 with real upside and 1 unknown. Talent is being accumulated. Character is being fortified.

I am sure there are a few undrafted players that will be signed yet. Add to that 2-3 Free Agents and this is a new team. No more crappy attitudes of JR, Shump and THJR.