nixluva wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Best of luck watching the slow Monroe and the offensively challenged Stein get spread out and the Knicks can exploited like the Pistons did this year playing two bigs in.

You cant defend teams that have 5 guys who can shoot pass and drive. Were trying to go back to 1994 and it wont work.

1st of all Monroe is not slow. He actually runs the floor at a high level and finishes on the break at a high level. He's just not a high jumper but he can move. He actually faces up and drives a lot.

2nd the Triangle is designed to work with more than one post player. It's also called the Triple Post offense.

3rd Phil won titles with the Triangle and was in the playoffs in 2011. Not that long ago at all. It's been successful in recent times. Many of today's players were in the league when he was still coaching.

4th the pairing of WCS and Monroe would make sense. There will be other bigs to give the team more versatility as well. There's clearly a way to build a team with enough flexibility to be able to match up with differen styles.

Good points. I wish this board had a Like button to click on or something of the same so it could just be clicked instead of having to make a post to say i agree with what you said.

Thx. Phil was running in 2011 with Bynum n Gasol. The spacing in the Triangle is to overload one side of the floor and create space on the other side. The thing is that it all takes place closer to the basket because you have 2 post players on either side of the paint. This year we lacked talent that could finish the great looks they got but they were in prime scoring position.

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

jbeachboy wrote:so you recommend drafting stein?

There are others avenues Id rather travel. One thing is for sure NOT Stein AND Monroe--wont work. Didnt work with Drummond who is WAY better than Stein.

Who says that we're gonna draft WCS and sign G.Monroe?? People on a message board?? What does it matter what's said on here?? Let me ask you this though Briggs and your answer will really say a lot about you but if Phil Jackson and his team decide to do this which would mean they obviously think it would work would you think that they're wrong and don't know what would work in his own system and that you do know what would work in Phil Jackson's system which would mean you know more than Phil Jackson and his team?? Can't wait to hear your answer to this, if you actually answer this with a real and clear answer or if you answer it at all.

The answer is this if they take Stein at 4 and Monroe in free agency they will WRECK the team up for 5 years and we will be jealous of who we missed out on in the draft

I kind of figured you wouldn't give a clear answer to this. You talk on here like you're smarter than a NBA GM but can't answer a question clearly.

C-- I don't think Stein is the bpa at 4. Maybe 10 if u draft for need it NEVER works EVER. We've done it twice already Frye and hill

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Best of luck watching the slow Monroe and the offensively challenged Stein get spread out and the Knicks can exploited like the Pistons did this year playing two bigs in.

You cant defend teams that have 5 guys who can shoot pass and drive. Were trying to go back to 1994 and it wont work.

A) Stein is faster and quicker than a PG. If you want to see what fast active bigs do for you, turn off your Frank Kaminsky highlight reel for a Minute and check out the NBA Finals where Mozgov and Thompson are playing insanely valuable roles.

B) Detroit never had Melo to spread the floor.

Excellent points. Team's will still have the problem of deciding who to double. The inside n outside action with WCS roaming for easy dunks will not be easy to deal with.

nixluva would you say LBJ is about 50 miles better than Carmelo? Monroe--if he scores 15-18 who cares. Somehwre if you dont play 5 who can score--you will not get to the number you need to OFFENSIVELY.

If defense wins games why didnt Clev smash GS tonight? They had the 3 BIGGEST guys on the floor!! GS did not even play well except the first quarter if they were humming it wouldve been a 35 point blowout. Cleveland can play the best D they can--and it wont matter.

So, wait, are you still advocating Kaminsky? What are you advocating? Winslow?

So far Briggs has advocated everyone but WCS so he has a very good chance of making a "i told you so" thread after the draft. LOL

I don't need to tel you after the fact. I'm telling u now a team based on Monroe at c and Stein at of will be a 30 win team.

newyorker4ever wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's not so much need as priority. There's no Jordan in this draft. You have to decide how you want to build your team. Some offensive player with great personal talent is one way and a player with great defensive talent is another. I prefer we take the defensive talent and build on that. Once you have that core piece you can still add offense later. There are always more offensive players than great defensive players.

True which is also why there's a good chance that our pick will be J.Winslow.

I think Winslow is high on Phil's list because of his D as well. It looks like Phil is looking for another pick. They likely see a lot of talent that could be a great addition to the team. Also since it's impossible to know how things will shake outin the top 3 they have to be prepared for anything.

nixluva wrote:It's not so much need as priority. There's no Jordan in this draft. You have to decide how you want to build your team. Some offensive player with great personal talent is one way and a player with great defensive talent is another. I prefer we take the defensive talent and build on that. Once you have that core piece you can still add offense later. There are always more offensive players than great defensive players.

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

jbeachboy wrote:so you recommend drafting stein?

There are others avenues Id rather travel. One thing is for sure NOT Stein AND Monroe--wont work. Didnt work with Drummond who is WAY better than Stein.

Who says that we're gonna draft WCS and sign G.Monroe?? People on a message board?? What does it matter what's said on here?? Let me ask you this though Briggs and your answer will really say a lot about you but if Phil Jackson and his team decide to do this which would mean they obviously think it would work would you think that they're wrong and don't know what would work in his own system and that you do know what would work in Phil Jackson's system which would mean you know more than Phil Jackson and his team?? Can't wait to hear your answer to this, if you actually answer this with a real and clear answer or if you answer it at all.

The answer is this if they take Stein at 4 and Monroe in free agency they will WRECK the team up for 5 years and we will be jealous of who we missed out on in the draft

I kind of figured you wouldn't give a clear answer to this. You talk on here like you're smarter than a NBA GM but can't answer a question clearly.

C-- I don't think Stein is the bpa at 4. Maybe 10 if u draft for need it NEVER works EVER. We've done it twice already Frye and hill

So no team has EVER drafted for need and it has worked out for them?? NEVER EVER?? Hahahahahaha

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

jbeachboy wrote:so you recommend drafting stein?

There are others avenues Id rather travel. One thing is for sure NOT Stein AND Monroe--wont work. Didnt work with Drummond who is WAY better than Stein.

Who says that we're gonna draft WCS and sign G.Monroe?? People on a message board?? What does it matter what's said on here?? Let me ask you this though Briggs and your answer will really say a lot about you but if Phil Jackson and his team decide to do this which would mean they obviously think it would work would you think that they're wrong and don't know what would work in his own system and that you do know what would work in Phil Jackson's system which would mean you know more than Phil Jackson and his team?? Can't wait to hear your answer to this, if you actually answer this with a real and clear answer or if you answer it at all.

The answer is this if they take Stein at 4 and Monroe in free agency they will WRECK the team up for 5 years and we will be jealous of who we missed out on in the draft

I kind of figured you wouldn't give a clear answer to this. You talk on here like you're smarter than a NBA GM but can't answer a question clearly.

C-- I don't think Stein is the bpa at 4. Maybe 10 if u draft for need it NEVER works EVER. We've done it twice already Frye and hill

So no team has EVER drafted for need and it has worked out for them?? NEVER EVER?? Hahahahahaha

Technically we need an entire team.

s3231 wrote:Exactly...we're not the Pistons coming off an NBA title and deciding between Melo/Darko/Wade...

We need talent first and foremost and at #4, the mindset has to be taking the player you think will be the best. If Phil really thinks WCS is that guy, fine....but to draft him on need makes no sense for our current situation.

I guarantee we will take Stein OVER 1 of Okafor Porzingis Kaminsky Russell or even all of them. Danilo Fuzaro is BETTER than Stein.

EwingsGlass wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

s3231 wrote:Exactly...we're not the Pistons coming off an NBA title and deciding between Melo/Darko/Wade...

We need talent first and foremost and at #4, the mindset has to be taking the player you think will be the best. If Phil really thinks WCS is that guy, fine....but to draft him on need makes no sense for our current situation.

I guarantee we will take Stein OVER 1 of Okafor Porzingis or Kaminsky Russell or even all of them. Danilo Fuzaro is BETTER than Stein.

Oddly Fuzaro is not on NBAdraftnets latest mock. Did he withdraw?

Its possible remember he can make much more money next year as a free agent and can pick his team.

Also because WCS has impact without needing the ball it makes his impact greater in combination with offensive players like Melo n Monroe. WCS is still a threat even without the ball. He's a good offensive rebounder and always lurking as a finisher on dump off passes and Alleyoops. He's not a zero on offense as some think. Since WCS can run the floor like a guard he helps speed up the offense. Monroe is also fast end to end. Both score at a high level in transition. Both are quick when facing up and can get to the basket. Neither is great jump shooting but this isn't a big part of their game. If they can hit at a decent clip it should be enough. It looks like WCS is on his way to developing a dependable jump shot.