WaltLongmire wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Vmart wrote:I still have to see Mudiay and Winslow in their work outs.

I agree to an extent. But, Mudiay and Winslow wont impact the game on the same level as Stein can on defense (protecting the rim, guarding the PNR, etc). Stein is 7'1...cant teach size. If he shows the potential to have some type of offensive game, it will be very hard to pass Stein up....

Let me ask you a question

Kaminsky was 1/2 taller than Stein. His all around game is hundred of miles ahead of Stein.

Lets do this--lets put Stein on Wisconsin and Kaminsky on Kentucky--who wins?

I get that Stein is a C with nice athletic ability--hey his jumpshot looks improved. But what I saw in the games was a very inconsistent player. How does inconsistency over 3 years translate to the pros? Isnt that a major red flag? When you hear that Kaminsky busted his face went to the hospital and came back to play--what does that say to you? When Hornacek is describing him you could see that he was holding back admiration yet still calling his skills diverse and excellent. So if we cant teach size how about the best skill player in the draft also being the tallest?

Briggs... you're bringing logic to a love-fest. You will not convince the people who like Stein that any other big man we can pick is better for the Knicks than he is.

Go back to the some threads in early April and you can see the initial reaction to how Kaminsky and Stein played in their game. I think a lot of folks wanted to see the KU/Duke matchup, and were very unhappy with the score and how some played. Some of the people who love Stein now felt differently back then, or at least didn't support him as he got ripped.

KU would have destroyed them if those 2 had switched sides. A Towns/Kaminsky inside outside game would have been unstoppable. Not sure Wisconsin would have made it to the semis.

A lot of people who like Stein see the highlights. If there was one thread of a guy who is saying Stein is the next Bill Russell --hey why was Stein being pushed around the court by Nigel Hayes and Pay Connughton. If they are being fair and impartial--lets go bring back up the Wisconsin game thread--we dont have too because they didnt watch. They are going to youtube and watching just the "strength" section of highlights and not even considering the weakness. If someone said I like Stein but than Id give them more credibility. But there is not of that. I think Stein is a 10-7-2 player or close to it at max.

WaltLongmire wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Vmart wrote:I still have to see Mudiay and Winslow in their work outs.

I agree to an extent. But, Mudiay and Winslow wont impact the game on the same level as Stein can on defense (protecting the rim, guarding the PNR, etc). Stein is 7'1...cant teach size. If he shows the potential to have some type of offensive game, it will be very hard to pass Stein up....

Let me ask you a question

Kaminsky was 1/2 taller than Stein. His all around game is hundred of miles ahead of Stein.

Lets do this--lets put Stein on Wisconsin and Kaminsky on Kentucky--who wins?

I get that Stein is a C with nice athletic ability--hey his jumpshot looks improved. But what I saw in the games was a very inconsistent player. How does inconsistency over 3 years translate to the pros? Isnt that a major red flag? When you hear that Kaminsky busted his face went to the hospital and came back to play--what does that say to you? When Hornacek is describing him you could see that he was holding back admiration yet still calling his skills diverse and excellent. So if we cant teach size how about the best skill player in the draft also being the tallest?

Briggs... you're bringing logic to a love-fest. You will not convince the people who like Stein that any other big man we can pick is better for the Knicks than he is.

Go back to the some threads in early April and you can see the initial reaction to how Kaminsky and Stein played in their game. I think a lot of folks wanted to see the KU/Duke matchup, and were very unhappy with the score and how some played. Some of the people who love Stein now felt differently back then, or at least didn't support him as he got ripped.

KU would have destroyed them if those 2 had switched sides. A Towns/Kaminsky inside outside game would have been unstoppable. Not sure Wisconsin would have made it to the semis.

Kaminsky is a very good player and no one is taking that away from him. He should be a very good pro. The Knicks however, don't NEED what Kaminsky brings as much as they need what WCS brings to the table.

Kevin Love had very little impact on his team when he was the star in Minnesota. He's still a great talent but just because you can score like Love doesn't mean he's gonna have the needed impact on his team. That's why i'm not fooled by what Kaminsky does. I want WCS because his impact is greater as it really makes the overall team better even without needing the ball. If WCS develops his offense it's a nice plus.

nixluva wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Vmart wrote:I still have to see Mudiay and Winslow in their work outs.

I agree to an extent. But, Mudiay and Winslow wont impact the game on the same level as Stein can on defense (protecting the rim, guarding the PNR, etc). Stein is 7'1...cant teach size. If he shows the potential to have some type of offensive game, it will be very hard to pass Stein up....

Let me ask you a question

Kaminsky was 1/2 taller than Stein. His all around game is hundred of miles ahead of Stein.

Lets do this--lets put Stein on Wisconsin and Kaminsky on Kentucky--who wins?

I get that Stein is a C with nice athletic ability--hey his jumpshot looks improved. But what I saw in the games was a very inconsistent player. How does inconsistency over 3 years translate to the pros? Isnt that a major red flag? When you hear that Kaminsky busted his face went to the hospital and came back to play--what does that say to you? When Hornacek is describing him you could see that he was holding back admiration yet still calling his skills diverse and excellent. So if we cant teach size how about the best skill player in the draft also being the tallest?

Briggs... you're bringing logic to a love-fest. You will not convince the people who like Stein that any other big man we can pick is better for the Knicks than he is.

Go back to the some threads in early April and you can see the initial reaction to how Kaminsky and Stein played in their game. I think a lot of folks wanted to see the KU/Duke matchup, and were very unhappy with the score and how some played. Some of the people who love Stein now felt differently back then, or at least didn't support him as he got ripped.

KU would have destroyed them if those 2 had switched sides. A Towns/Kaminsky inside outside game would have been unstoppable. Not sure Wisconsin would have made it to the semis.

Is that really the point tho? Who cares about switching players on college teams? That has no bearing on the value of each player when it comes to the NBA and how they'll impact their team.

Kaminsky is a very good player and no one is taking that away from him. He should be a very good pro. The Knicks however, don't NEED what Kaminsky brings as much as they need what WCS brings to the table.

Kevin Love had very little impact on his team when he was the star in Minnesota. He's still a great talent but just because you can score like Love doesn't mean he's gonna have the needed impact on his team. That's why i'm not fooled by what Kaminsky does. I want WCS because his impact is greater as it really makes the overall team better even without needing the ball. If WCS develops his offense it's a nice plus.

Kevin Love played for UCLA nixluva--wrong highlight card.

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WaltLongmire wrote:

nixluva wrote:

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Same day as Mudiay...yes?

This is getting good!

nixluva wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I wonder if OK4 agrees to a workout with us- on one hand his agent may worry it's sending out a signal that his stock is plummeting, but on the other hand he needs to have a fallback option in case Twolves or lakers do something crazy.

I don't think so. My guess is Towns and OK4 will try to play it cool like they know they're 1-2.

I understand that these decisions are agent-driven, but it seems foolish, IMO.

You have trade down and trade up possibilities, and why wouldn't Towns show a team like the Lakers that he is worthy of trading up to?

I would think that of the 4 top teams picking, Minnesota is the least desirable spot to end up for a young player if you are looking at the respective metro areas associated with each team. I guess I'm being a snob, but I've lived in a small town in Alabama, Indianapolis, and Buffalo, so I have some idea of what is offered in various cities.

The NBA forces its coaches and players to endure those idiotic interviews between periods ("So coach, could you please give America a detailed plan on how you will alter your game plan to beat your opponent."), there should be a minimum of team workouts a potential draft pick should have to attend, IMO.

newyorker4ever wrote:C.Payne is coming in for a workout with the Knicks. He's actually a point guard i really like but obviously as a trade down option.

OKC have promised to take him at 14, I think, so you can't trade down further than that