PG- Shved
SG- Caroll
SF- Melo
PF- Porzingis
C- Monroe

ROTATION
G: Alexey Shved
G: Langston Galloway
F: Marcus Morris
F/C: Lou Amundson
F/C: Frank Kaminsky

BENCH
G: Jimmer Fredette
G/F: Jason Richardson
SF: Lance Thomas
F: Travis Wear
C: Cole Aldrich

"Trading down and coming out of the draft with Devin Booker is a major fail. How the F is Booker the right pick?"

"3. Trading down and coming out of the draft with Devin Booker is a major fail. How the F is Booker the right pick?
4. Robin Lopez is OK if mediocre is what you want, Jae Crowder is OK, tough kid, but Aaron Brooks, Chuck Hayes and Luis Scola?
5. LARRY SANDERS??? WTF? Dude has major questions about his passion for the game. NY is the worst situation to put him in.

You get on other people for their suggestions all the time and to be honest this is pretty much the worst roster i've read anyone suggest. Perhaps because of your volatile personality others may be scared to say anything to you about this but this roster is a ClusterPhuck. You are creating more problems than you are solving."

".... but I just find it amazing when the guys that get the most ugly and personal finally put up, it's something less than impressive."

"Ha, I always enjoy it when the more ardent critics on these boards actually come out and propose something, because it's usually awful!"

"He hung his @ss out that is for sure."

"oMG well he finally sticks his neck out there and shucks for breaking everyone else balls he comes up with a roster filled with retired players dramatic draft reaches guys past their prime and the slowest team that anyone could hope to put together without trying..while using Carmelo as a sixth man Triple threat with this post you lose all privileges to break cahones on anyone else ideas. If there was an ultimateknicks d league we'd have to send you down."

"5/31/2015 3:57 AM

I like the depth on that squad but Devin Booker is the 4th best prospect? He's a slightly more athletic Kyle Korver."

"Devin Booker IMHO is the best draft prospect outside of the top three ( Okafor, Towns and Russell). He won't be a value selection at No#4, but the hope is the Knicks can trade down, pick up Booker, who can shoot long range at an elite level , play the wing and play tough plus defense, and hopefully some future draft assets as well. Booker would be my personal choice for the "right pick" this year, though again, the hope is the Knicks can move down from the 4 slot in a trade to get Booker. "

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How does Devin Booker look right now? He went with the 13th overall pick in his draft. He's a 20 year old 6'6 shooting guard who can nail it from three point range and is a legit NBA wing. He's gotten positive press from LBJ, Kobe Bryant and the Splash Brothers. He's been called an up and coming "young Klay Thompson type"

If the Knick had rolled it the way I suggested, they would have traded that 4th overall for Booker and future draft assets to help rebuild the team. Jae Crowder has been nothing but one of the best free agent signings in his FA class when I made that post back then. He offers plus defense and his offense improved greatly. Robin Lopez wanted to be a New York Knick and was a value signing and value contract. Nothing else I suggested would have been long term and contract back breaking for the team. And Yes, I dared to call Melo a 6th man simply for bench offensive punch and put him in that kind of position. Has he done anything to show he is and was ever going to be more than that?

How would Booker look in a Knicks uniform now? Don't get me wrong, I like Zinger, but if the Knicks could have turn Zinger into Booker plus a couple of other things ( i.e. solid draft picks or decent prospects at the time), would that have been a horrible thing?

As I stated before long ago, the cost of 3 and D players and wings in general has only gone up. Even for marginal guys. A pair of solid young wings, Booker on cost control and what would have been a decent contract for Crowder, would have put the Knicks in an infinitely better position than their current Rose/Noah/Lee situation.

Yes, I stuck my "@ss out there" And now, anyone want to come back now and eat their own words?

TripleThreat wrote:"I don't understand the Devin Booker draft pick at all."

"Trading down and coming out of the draft with Devin Booker is a major fail. How the F is Booker the right pick?"

"3. Trading down and coming out of the draft with Devin Booker is a major fail. How the F is Booker the right pick?
4. Robin Lopez is OK if mediocre is what you want, Jae Crowder is OK, tough kid, but Aaron Brooks, Chuck Hayes and Luis Scola?
5. LARRY SANDERS??? WTF? Dude has major questions about his passion for the game. NY is the worst situation to put him in.

You get on other people for their suggestions all the time and to be honest this is pretty much the worst roster i've read anyone suggest. Perhaps because of your volatile personality others may be scared to say anything to you about this but this roster is a ClusterPhuck. You are creating more problems than you are solving."

".... but I just find it amazing when the guys that get the most ugly and personal finally put up, it's something less than impressive."

"Ha, I always enjoy it when the more ardent critics on these boards actually come out and propose something, because it's usually awful!"

"He hung his @ss out that is for sure."

"oMG well he finally sticks his neck out there and shucks for breaking everyone else balls he comes up with a roster filled with retired players dramatic draft reaches guys past their prime and the slowest team that anyone could hope to put together without trying..while using Carmelo as a sixth man Triple threat with this post you lose all privileges to break cahones on anyone else ideas. If there was an ultimateknicks d league we'd have to send you down."

"5/31/2015 3:57 AM

I like the depth on that squad but Devin Booker is the 4th best prospect? He's a slightly more athletic Kyle Korver."

"Devin Booker IMHO is the best draft prospect outside of the top three ( Okafor, Towns and Russell). He won't be a value selection at No#4, but the hope is the Knicks can trade down, pick up Booker, who can shoot long range at an elite level , play the wing and play tough plus defense, and hopefully some future draft assets as well. Booker would be my personal choice for the "right pick" this year, though again, the hope is the Knicks can move down from the 4 slot in a trade to get Booker. "

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How does Devin Booker look right now? He went with the 13th overall pick in his draft. He's a 20 year old 6'6 shooting guard who can nail it from three point range and is a legit NBA wing. He's gotten positive press from LBJ, Kobe Bryant and the Splash Brothers. He's been called an up and coming "young Klay Thompson type"

If the Knick had rolled it the way I suggested, they would have traded that 4th overall for Booker and future draft assets to help rebuild the team. Jae Crowder has been nothing but one of the best free agent signings in his FA class when I made that post back then. He offers plus defense and his offense improved greatly. Robin Lopez wanted to be a New York Knick and was a value signing and value contract. Nothing else I suggested would have been long term and contract back breaking for the team. And Yes, I dared to call Melo a 6th man simply for bench offensive punch and put him in that kind of position. Has he done anything to show he is and was ever going to be more than that?

How would Booker look in a Knicks uniform now? Don't get me wrong, I like Zinger, but if the Knicks could have turn Zinger into Booker plus a couple of other things ( i.e. solid draft picks or decent prospects at the time), would that have been a horrible thing?

As I stated before long ago, the cost of 3 and D players and wings in general has only gone up. Even for marginal guys. A pair of solid young wings, Booker on cost control and what would have been a decent contract for Crowder, would have put the Knicks in an infinitely better position than their current Rose/Noah/Lee situation.

Yes, I stuck my "@ss out there" And now, anyone want to come back now and eat their own words?

Booker is a nice player, a volume scorer similar to mccollum. He is not a franchise player like KP can be. No one is talking about him in the same class as the Greek freak, towns, and KP. I would like to have him in addition to KP, but certainly not in exchange. There's no comparison. So yes having Booker instead of KP would be a really bad thing.

Knixkik wrote:Booker is a nice player, a volume scorer similar to mccollum. He is not a franchise player like KP can be. No one is talking about him in the same class as the Greek freak, towns, and KP. I would like to have him in addition to KP, but certainly not in exchange. There's no comparison. So yes having Booker instead of KP would be a really bad thing.

How exactly is Zinger going to practically develop in this environment?

He is not suited, not now and it's unclear if he will ever be, to be an NBA starting caliber center. He's a power forward.

Melo is a power forward. Melo is also a ball stopping ball hog shotjacker who kills free flowing movement through passing, does not move well off the ball and is a liability on defense.

Having both of them in the SAME starting lineup is a bad fit.

I like Zinger, I do, he's a fun player to have around. He's very talented. He could be a franchise cornerstone.

But look very specifically at the Knicks situation. They've punted the three seasons after this one for the ill fated moves to get Noah, Rose and Lee. Rose is gone, one way or another. Or he's a gross overpay for a guy who is a limited injury prone mental midget. Lee and Noah, those contracts will look bad by the back half of them.

Robin Lopez, Jae Crowder, Devin Booker plus future assets plus using a turnstile approach at point guard ( you don't need an elite one to compete in the current NBA, you need rim protection, solid wing play and the ability to hit the 3 ball) would have been a much better fit to deal with a team STUCK with Melo and his clear trade offs.

Is Zinger's upside worth the next four years of mediocrity and madness trying to fit him and Melo together?

With Lopez, Crowder and Booker, the Knicks would at least play passable defense and have players could could defend the rim and operate on the wing at NBA game speed.

Teams who win MAXIMIZE COST CONTROLLED TALENT. Booker isn't just a young player reaching up future upside, he's COST CONTROLLED. This is a far better trade off than getting players IN THEIR CLEAR DECLINE like Noah and Lee and Rose.

Who says Zinger is going to stay in a toxic situation. Greg Monroe did what was seen as unthinkable and passed over some guaranteed money and security to earn his freedom sooner. By the time Melo's contract sheds off this team, where will Zinger be then? On a team with older overpaid players who don't play team basketball, where his development will be stunted.

The more talented player is not always the BEST FIT for the given situation. Given all the drawbacks Melo brings, that BEST FIT is a tough thing to achieve.

When Jackson resigned Melo with that NTC, to me, the prevailing mantra should have been - What players can we get that will help us win DESPITE the way Melo has shown to play the game of basketball.

No, Booker is not the best player out of that draft class, but given the situation the Knicks were and are in, I still argue he was the BEST FIT ( along with more draft assets coming with him of course)