MS wrote:You can't compare Melo to Kobe.

When Kobe doesn't have talent he turns into arguably the most selfish player in the game.

Shaq is likely one of the 10 greatest players ever to play the game. Can someone please tell me when Melo played next to someone that was averaging 27pts 12rbs 3ass 2blks every year?

The guy had Odom, Gasol and Bynum.

You took MJ off the Bulls they almost went to the coference finals. Pippen was a top 30 player all-time.

Let's see what happens when we give the guy one All-Star player before trashing him.

so they are equal until proven otherwise?

Don't judge Melo against others who had better teammates than him (or use chucker kobe as an argument).

Does Melo elevate his teammates? NOT NEARLY ENOUGH

these excuses are over.

He is a very good player who struggles terribly with a team concept.

I remember seeing the frustration on Prigs face when he was wide open for 3 and Melo would rather force a TERRIBLE shot against a double/triple team.

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I was referring to the Gasol championship team but to answer your question. Kobe won 37 games playing alongside Smush Fuckin Parker. 37 wins! We won 17 this year and Melo's ex-teammates are succeeding for their teams in playoffs . That is the difference right there between Volume Scorer Melo and 2-way Kobe

Come on man, they won 34 games and had Odom and Butler, both all-star caliber players far better than anyone on the knicks. Kobe has always played with talent, but never won without a superstar big man alongside him.

whats the point of all this?

Are we trying to compare Melo to Kobe? Kobe is obviously the much better player but he has his own flaws and was also a super chucker.

I am not comparing him to Melo. I thought Kobe was being overrated by only mentioning Smush as his running mate, when he in fact had 2 other borderline stars playing alongside him. I personally think Kobe is relatively overrated as far as his career success, which is not to say he isn't an all-time great still.

Kobe was a bit overrated on offense. Phil tried to get rid of him numerous times because he kept breaking the offense.

Overall, he was still a great player though.

Shaq on the other hand was one of the most dominating players that I ever watched and if anything, underrated.

TeamBall wrote:

mreinman wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

mreinman wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I was referring to the Gasolchampionship team but to answer your question. Kobe won 37 games playing alongside Smush Fuckin Parker. 37 wins! We won 17 this year and Melo's ex-teammates are succeeding for their teams in playoffs . That is the difference right there between Volume Scorer Melo and 2-way Kobe

That's where things get a little muddy. They aren't succeeding just because they are no longer playing with Melo. There are so many factors that play into their current success that get conveniently ignored by some.

yeah ... there are other factors too. But Melo is the biggest one and its probably our fault since we were a bit fooled and overrated him.

Now at least most agree that he should be a #2 and pass the ball a lot more.

Amare was a black hole bonehead that did not help either.

As of now, the Melo signing looks absolutely terrible and (...let me put on my Nixluva suit...) Phil is not happy!

I don't agree that he is the biggest but I am with you on everything else.

as long as he continues to not move the ball and dribble it into the ground and chuck instead of pass, his teammates will mostly look terrible.

He needs to create to pass sometimes instead of always looking to create his own shot.

If his shot is off, the team is screwed! He can't make up for it like other top tier star.

Oh yeah I agree. Unfortunately, it comes down to respect for him. If he is playing with a respected point guard, then he defers. If he knows he is miles ahead of his teammates in terms of talent, then he can get selfish.

exactly ... which is why he needs to be a 2nd or 3rd star. In many ways, he just doesn't get it.

Off the ball, he is one of the best I have ever seen. With the ball, he is a disaster.

Look at Houston and how they share the ball even though many of the players are borderline stiffs.

In todays game, you hit the open guy no matter who it is. If you don't trust him enough to pass him the ball then he should be on the bench.

This year, I made it my business to look at every single play with Carmelo in the post and all the open men they he blatantly ignored. It was hard to stomach.

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I was referring to the Gasol championship team but to answer your question. Kobe won 37 games playing alongside Smush Fuckin Parker. 37 wins! We won 17 this year and Melo's ex-teammates are succeeding for their teams in playoffs . That is the difference right there between Volume Scorer Melo and 2-way Kobe

Come on man, they won 34 games and had Odom and Butler, both all-star caliber players far better than anyone on the knicks. Kobe has always played with talent, but never won without a superstar big man alongside him.

whats the point of all this?

Are we trying to compare Melo to Kobe? Kobe is obviously the much better player but he has his own flaws and was also a super chucker.

I am not comparing him to Melo. I thought Kobe was being overrated by only mentioning Smush as his running mate, when he in fact had 2 other borderline stars playing alongside him. I personally think Kobe is relatively overrated as far as his career success, which is not to say he isn't an all-time great still.

Kobe was a bit overrated on offense. Phil tried to get rid of him numerous times because he kept breaking the offense.

Overall, he was still a great player though.

Shaq on the other hand was one of the most dominating players that I ever watched and if anything, underrated.

Yes in the old days I feared playing the Lakers not because of Kobe but because of Shaq. He would eat the older Ewing alive. Ewing would instantly be in foul trouble trying to man up and guard Shaq. It's a shame Kobe was such a dick. They could've won more rings together and Wade, Riley & The Heat would probably have 0 championships instead of 3

Yup. Kobe is really a dik and the biggest narcissist

Ewing was nothing close to shaq ... he was unstoppable even though he was a bad FT shooter.

Shaq hates kobe with a passion to this day.

Melo is not the sh1t head that Kobe is. He is just way to in love with his own shot and not even Phil over numerous dinners can explain that to him.

gunsnewing wrote:

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I was referring to the Gasolchampionship team but to answer your question. Kobe won 37 games playing alongside Smush Fuckin Parker. 37 wins! We won 17 this year and Melo's ex-teammates are succeeding for their teams in playoffs . That is the difference right there between Volume Scorer Melo and 2-way Kobe

Right..Smush Parker, Odom, Bynum...Melo hurt and playing half year with d leaguers..Yeah same thing...

I was being generous. Most of those 17 wins came without Melo. I believe they had 7 wins or so with Melo for 2/3rds of the season

They won 7 games after the all star break..But I know u meant that...

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I was referring to the Gasol championship team but to answer your question. Kobe won 37 games playing alongside Smush Fuckin Parker. 37 wins! We won 17 this year and Melo's ex-teammates are succeeding for their teams in playoffs . That is the difference right there between Volume Scorer Melo and 2-way Kobe

Come on man, they won 34 games and had Odom and Butler, both all-star caliber players far better than anyone on the knicks. Kobe has always played with talent, but never won without a superstar big man alongside him.

whats the point of all this?

Are we trying to compare Melo to Kobe? Kobe is obviously the much better player but he has his own flaws and was also a super chucker.

I am not comparing him to Melo. I thought Kobe was being overrated by only mentioning Smush as his running mate, when he in fact had 2 other borderline stars playing alongside him. I personally think Kobe is relatively overrated as far as his career success, which is not to say he isn't an all-time great still.

Kobe was a bit overrated on offense. Phil tried to get rid of him numerous times because he kept breaking the offense.

Overall, he was still a great player though.

Shaq on the other hand was one of the most dominating players that I ever watched and if anything, underrated.