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nixluva
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5/4/2015  1:54 PM
mreinman wrote:
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nixluva wrote:I'd like to remind everyone again of just what kind of production Danny Green has been giving. It's easy to just gloss over the facts and make decisions on pure passion. Among FA SG's only Jimmy Butler has better production. Danny from a defensive standpoint was even better than Butler! While I agree that it would be even better if Danny was more aggressive going to the basket, I don't think it's something to kill the guy over when he's doing so much else at a high level.


Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ▾ VORP
1 Jimmy Butler SG 25 CHI 65 2513 21.3 .583 .212 .508 5.1 11.2 8.2 14.4 2.3 1.0 7.7 21.6 8.2 3.0 11.2 .214 4.2
2 Danny Green SG 27 SAS 81 2312 16.5 .596 .619 .172 2.7 13.9 8.4 10.3 2.2 2.8 10.5 17.5 4.0 3.9 7.8 .163 4.1

3 W. Matthews SG 28 POR 60 2024 16.1 .586 .592 .193 2.1 9.5 5.9 10.8 1.9 0.4 9.0 19.8 4.0 2.2 6.2 .147 3.0
4 Alexey Shved SG 26 TOT 42 767 19.5 .541 .415 .448 3.3 11.7 7.3 25.7 2.0 0.6 10.7 26.3 1.7 0.5 2.2 .135 0.5
5 Mar Belinelli SG 28 SAS 62 1388 12.4 .553 .489 .211 2.2 10.5 6.4 10.3 1.1 0.2 10.6 18.8 1.5 1.4 2.9 .100 0.5

By the time this team is good again Danny Green will have small NBA value.

Geez!

Can you at least try to refute the numbers that Nix is presenting?

I actually don't even understand the point BRIGGS is making. So we shouldn't consider Danny because the team won't be good anytime soon? Isn't the entire point of adding productive players to make the team better? Imagine if THJ played at the level of Danny Green? Think that would make a difference?

Imagine if we drafted Towns or Okafor and we have Danny at SG. He helps spread the floor for either big and helps defensively for either big as well. We could actually play any of our PG's next to Danny and it would make them better too. Galloway next to Danny would be better as would Schved. On top of all this Melo could use an outlet who is dependable from 3 and will help cover more ground defensively.

You could still go for DeMarre if you wanted to start Melo at PF and let DeMarre play SF. The idea of Danny and DeMarre helping defensively on the perimeter with Galloway sounds like a really strong perimeter defense to me.

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5/4/2015  2:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/4/2015  3:08 PM
RonRon wrote:We need specifict talents to go with HIGH IQ players that are versatile on both OFF and DEFENSE


While Carroll can guard 2's at time and on OFFENSE at times, it is also because they have multiple versatile talents on OFF and DEF, with HIGH IQ, unselfishness/ball movement/shooters/multiple post threats, and and system

Danny Green could play SG, SF, and even some PF the same way Caroll can, however, Carroll is closer to a SF and undersized PF

Briggs, I do not think posters here actually hate you, I surely do not, and even when I disagree with a lot of your opinions and how you come up with them, I enjoy reading and respect your thoughts
However, you tend to switch your opinons the past couple of years a lot more
For example, you have said that you believe we should draft OK4 or Towns nomatter what
Then you say we should sign Kanter no mater what
Then after that you say you are 90% positive that both Greg Monroe and WCS has been our plan all along that past 4 months
After that you come up with 10 possible trade scenarious that you believe will be better then keeping the pick
So which one is it really?


On the other post, I copy and pasted what another posters said, just so you understand it wasn't me, but I wanted to get rid of the troll

The way you come up with your own opinions, you use the same theories to justify why we should pick the players you want but at the same time, you disregard the same reasons/philospohy for another player you do not want

For example, you said Danny Green isn't a true SG, that he doesn't have the ability to play SG because he lacks speed, ability to penetrate, and you say that the reason why Danny Green is part of a system/players around him
However, Carroll is the same exact thing, but you would overpay for him, and claim he would be a steal, even when that deal would just be under 2m of a MAX contract that Drayond Green would receive who you think we are better off finding a cheaper options and developing our own
You contradict yourself and have said that he isn't worth that contract because we do not have Stephen Curry/Klay Thompson, etc
You have said since the beggining till now that Green isn't worthy of such a contract and you put him as a role player
But we do not have the same players/system for Carroll as well, you have said that you would give him a contract above 12m a year and say it would be a steal, which is just slightly less of what Draymond Green's salary would start at
This also goes for Kanter and Westbrook, the talent that OKC has, and the BIGS that OKC has but you disregard that
Opponents have to STOP WESTBROOK first and that is why Kanter is able to do what he does, because of Westbrook and the BIGS that can hide Kanter's weakness's


Phil Jackson is targetting players that FIT in to the system but you determine the value of players with STATS, placing too much emphasize on Boxscores without giving the other factors such as leadership and what the player is able to do elevate the team and what the team is able to do because of what the player brings to the system


Do not take it personal, we all have our own opinions, and do what you do, many of us enjoy reading it regardless

1. Yes I believe that if we get picks 1 or 2 we should pick Towns or Okafor--no change.
2 We should try to sign Kanter --I would personally but we wont and OKC will match anyway.
3. I think the Knicks plan is WCS and Monroe if we get less than pick #1. Yep--thats what I think.
4. Yes Id like to think long and hard about potential ideas of trading a pick less than 2. Why wouldnt anyone look at any situation in multiple ways?
5. No I never said Danny Green is not a true SG--I said he 's a SG who doesnt drive the ball and has prospered by being on the Spurs.
6. No Kanter can score all over the court hes an advanced skill player and he can do it with or without Westbrook at PG. I like his age and skill set with where the Knicks are in development.
7. I do not like the 2015 free agency Id rather trade my cap space for picks. If we can get picks 16 and 30 from Boston and GS Id take Chritsian Wood at 16 if not there Bobby Portis at 30 Id take Tyler Harvey not there Rashaud Vaughn then Dakari Johnson. There are several senior guard I like--we will have no clue who goes to UFDA status.
8. If we get than pick 2 and we dont trad it Ill make a final determination of pick a day before the draft. My preference would likely be too turn it into multiple assets--young players and picks but it might not be doable obviously.
9. If we do take free agents Id pay up to 12.5mm for Demarre Carroll Id resign Alex Svhyed and If GS gave me 2 first round picks for David Lee--Id stop there. If not Id look at Ajinca for the right price. Thats pretty much it other than 1 yr deals

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5/4/2015  2:47 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
RonRon wrote:We need specifict talents to go with HIGH IQ players that are versatile on both OFF and DEFENSE


While Carroll can guard 2's at time and on OFFENSE at times, it is also because they have multiple versatile talents on OFF and DEF, with HIGH IQ, unselfishness/ball movement/shooters/multiple post threats, and and system

Danny Green could play SG, SF, and even some PF the same way Caroll can, however, Carroll is closer to a SF and undersized PF

Briggs, I do not think posters here actually hate you, I surely do not, and even when I disagree with a lot of your opinions and how you come up with them, I enjoy reading and respect your thoughts
However, you tend to switch your opinons the past couple of years a lot more
For example, you have said that you believe we should draft OK4 or Towns nomatter what
Then you say we should sign Kanter no mater what
Then after that you say you are 90% positive that both Greg Monroe and WCS has been our plan all along that past 4 months
After that you come up with 10 possible trade scenarious that you believe will be better then keeping the pick
So which one is it really?


On the other post, I copy and pasted what another posters said, just so you understand it wasn't me, but I wanted to get rid of the troll

The way you come up with your own opinions, you use the same theories to justify why we should pick the players you want but at the same time, you disregard the same reasons/philospohy for another player you do not want

For example, you said Danny Green isn't a true SG, that he doesn't have the ability to play SG because he lacks speed, ability to penetrate, and you say that the reason why Danny Green is part of a system/players around him
However, Carroll is the same exact thing, but you would overpay for him, and claim he would be a steal, even when that deal would just be under 2m of a MAX contract that Drayond Green would receive who you think we are better off finding a cheaper options and developing our own
You contradict yourself and have said that he isn't worth that contract because we do not have Stephen Curry/Klay Thompson, etc
You have said since the beggining till now that Green isn't worthy of such a contract and you put him as a role player
But we do not have the same players/system for Carroll as well, you have said that you would give him a contract above 12m a year and say it would be a steal, which is just slightly less of what Draymond Green's salary would start at
This also goes for Kanter and Westbrook, the talent that OKC has, and the BIGS that OKC has but you disregard that
Opponents have to STOP WESTBROOK first and that is why Kanter is able to do what he does, because of Westbrook and the BIGS that can hide Kanter's weakness's


Phil Jackson is targetting players that FIT in to the system but you determine the value of players with STATS, placing too much emphasize on Boxscores without giving the other factors such as leadership and what the player is able to do elevate the team and what the team is able to do because of what the player brings to the system


Do not take it personal, we all have our own opinions, and do what you do, many of us enjoy reading it regardless

1. Yes I believe that if we get picks 1 or 2 we should pick Towns or Okafor--no change.
2 We should try to sign Kanter --I would personally but we wont and OKC will match anyway.
3. I think the Knicks plan is WCS and Monroe if we get less than pick #1. Yep--thats what I think.
4. Yes Id like to think long and hard about potential ideas of trading a pick less than 2. Why wouldnt anyone look at any situation in multiple ways?
5. No I never said Danny Green is not a true SG--I said he 's a SG who doesnt drive the ball and has prospered by being on the Spurs.
6. No Kanter can score all over the court hes an advanced skill player and he can do it with or without Westbrook at PG. I like his age and skill set with where the Knicks are in development.
7. I do not like the 2015 free agency Id rather trade my cap space for picks. If we can get picks 16 and 30 from Boston and GS Id take Chritsian Wood at 16 if not there Bobby Portis at 30 Id take Dakari Johnson if not there Rashaud Vaughn. There are several senior guard I like--we will have no clue who goes to UFDA status.
8. If we get than pick 2 and we dont trad it Ill make a final determination of pick a day before the draft. My preference would likely be too turn it into multiple assets--young players and picks but it might not be doable obviously.
9. If we do take free agents Id pay up to 12.5mm for Demarre Carroll Id resign Alex Svhyed and If GS gave me 2 first round picks for David Lee--Id stop there. If not Id look at Ajinca for the right price. Thats pretty much it other than 1 yr deals


Let me first say, I have a lot of respect of your anaylsis because I have payed a lot of attention to your posts over a decade, so I have much higher expectations for your posts/anaylsis/opinions over other posters here

However, I have noticed the past couple of years you have switching your thoughts/opinons much more and the way you come of with these assestments
Often coming up with different directions and players, evaluations, and so on....

The weakness's and inabilities of Danny Green at SG that you say are the same for DeMaRRe Carroll but you disgegard them because you prefer Carroll
What Carroll gives at the price range you say would be a steal at over 12m is not much less than Draymond Green who you have never though and still do not think is worthy of a big contract *his max is about 2m of what you would consider a steal and reach for Carroll, while Draymond Green's ability to defend 5 positions can help mentor our young guys, you never valued what Green brings both on and off the court
As we continue to watch GS, you will see how Green will give more production with more meaningfull games and not sit out for rest with shorter rotations
He plays as he is a 10year vet, while this is his first season getting consistent minutes, and he has produced for the entire year and continues to do so as we speak

You have said in the past that Harden to Houston was a poor move and overpaid during the time of the trade, which was obviously completely wrong as Harden is a STUD
You continue say that some players are a benefit of the talents and systems of other players/talents on the team however, you disregard them for the players you feel are worth it


As for Wood,
I think that is a BIG REACH for Wood, he simply is competely RAW on BOTH OFF AND DEFENSE, he will likely need at minimum 3years to fill out his body and further develop his skills, as he needs to get stronger and add more weight, as a stretch 4, especially work on his handle
He is a player that has a HIGH CEILING, however, he could also be a complete bust, in a sense he is even much more RAW than Anthony Randolph, who could possibly be signed on a 2year deal that isn't guaranteed
If he is drafted as a late 2nd rounder and stashed, I would not have a problem with that, but to reach for him in the 1st round, that is too much a risk given our lack of picks


Stay consistent Briggs,
In previous drafts like for Bynum, Vucevic, the draft with Jordan/Hibbert/McGee, even for Olindipo and his rise before it happened from a 2nd rounder to a TOP 5 pick, you didn't come up with 100 different scenarios, and that is why it makes your analysis much more effective, even when you had a couple of different scenarious, you stuck with 1-2 theories/philosophy to come up with it

I think you are surely overthinking too much and your anayslis has had much more holes to them, I do not know if you have added maybe different advancted STATs or tweaked your system for evaluating talent but it has fallen off with way too many different scenarious

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5/4/2015  3:03 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/4/2015  3:10 PM
RonRon wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
RonRon wrote:We need specifict talents to go with HIGH IQ players that are versatile on both OFF and DEFENSE


While Carroll can guard 2's at time and on OFFENSE at times, it is also because they have multiple versatile talents on OFF and DEF, with HIGH IQ, unselfishness/ball movement/shooters/multiple post threats, and and system

Danny Green could play SG, SF, and even some PF the same way Caroll can, however, Carroll is closer to a SF and undersized PF

Briggs, I do not think posters here actually hate you, I surely do not, and even when I disagree with a lot of your opinions and how you come up with them, I enjoy reading and respect your thoughts
However, you tend to switch your opinons the past couple of years a lot more
For example, you have said that you believe we should draft OK4 or Towns nomatter what
Then you say we should sign Kanter no mater what
Then after that you say you are 90% positive that both Greg Monroe and WCS has been our plan all along that past 4 months
After that you come up with 10 possible trade scenarious that you believe will be better then keeping the pick
So which one is it really?


On the other post, I copy and pasted what another posters said, just so you understand it wasn't me, but I wanted to get rid of the troll

The way you come up with your own opinions, you use the same theories to justify why we should pick the players you want but at the same time, you disregard the same reasons/philospohy for another player you do not want

For example, you said Danny Green isn't a true SG, that he doesn't have the ability to play SG because he lacks speed, ability to penetrate, and you say that the reason why Danny Green is part of a system/players around him
However, Carroll is the same exact thing, but you would overpay for him, and claim he would be a steal, even when that deal would just be under 2m of a MAX contract that Drayond Green would receive who you think we are better off finding a cheaper options and developing our own
You contradict yourself and have said that he isn't worth that contract because we do not have Stephen Curry/Klay Thompson, etc
You have said since the beggining till now that Green isn't worthy of such a contract and you put him as a role player
But we do not have the same players/system for Carroll as well, you have said that you would give him a contract above 12m a year and say it would be a steal, which is just slightly less of what Draymond Green's salary would start at
This also goes for Kanter and Westbrook, the talent that OKC has, and the BIGS that OKC has but you disregard that
Opponents have to STOP WESTBROOK first and that is why Kanter is able to do what he does, because of Westbrook and the BIGS that can hide Kanter's weakness's


Phil Jackson is targetting players that FIT in to the system but you determine the value of players with STATS, placing too much emphasize on Boxscores without giving the other factors such as leadership and what the player is able to do elevate the team and what the team is able to do because of what the player brings to the system


Do not take it personal, we all have our own opinions, and do what you do, many of us enjoy reading it regardless

1. Yes I believe that if we get picks 1 or 2 we should pick Towns or Okafor--no change.
2 We should try to sign Kanter --I would personally but we wont and OKC will match anyway.
3. I think the Knicks plan is WCS and Monroe if we get less than pick #1. Yep--thats what I think.
4. Yes Id like to think long and hard about potential ideas of trading a pick less than 2. Why wouldnt anyone look at any situation in multiple ways?
5. No I never said Danny Green is not a true SG--I said he 's a SG who doesnt drive the ball and has prospered by being on the Spurs.
6. No Kanter can score all over the court hes an advanced skill player and he can do it with or without Westbrook at PG. I like his age and skill set with where the Knicks are in development.
7. I do not like the 2015 free agency Id rather trade my cap space for picks. If we can get picks 16 and 30 from Boston and GS Id take Chritsian Wood at 16 if not there Bobby Portis at 30 Id take Dakari Johnson if not there Rashaud Vaughn. There are several senior guard I like--we will have no clue who goes to UFDA status.
8. If we get than pick 2 and we dont trad it Ill make a final determination of pick a day before the draft. My preference would likely be too turn it into multiple assets--young players and picks but it might not be doable obviously.
9. If we do take free agents Id pay up to 12.5mm for Demarre Carroll Id resign Alex Svhyed and If GS gave me 2 first round picks for David Lee--Id stop there. If not Id look at Ajinca for the right price. Thats pretty much it other than 1 yr deals


Let me first say, I have a lot of respect of your anaylsis because I have payed a lot of attention to your posts over a decade, so I have much higher expectations for your posts/anaylsis/opinions over other posters here

However, I have noticed the past couple of years you have switching your thoughts/opinons much more and the way you come of with these assestments
Often coming up with different directions and players, evaluations, and so on....

The weakness's and inabilities of Danny Green at SG that you say are the same for DeMaRRe Carroll but you disgegard them because you prefer Carroll
What Carroll gives at the price range you say would be a steal at over 12m is not much less than Draymond Green who you have never though and still do not think is worthy of a big contract *his max is about 2m of what you would consider a steal and reach for Carroll, while Draymond Green's ability to defend 5 positions can help mentor our young guys, you never valued what Green brings both on and off the court
As we continue to watch GS, you will see how Green will give more production with more meaningfull games and not sit out for rest with shorter rotations
He plays as he is a 10year vet, while this is his first season getting consistent minutes, and he has produced for the entire year and continues to do so as we speak

You have said in the past that Harden to Houston was a poor move and overpaid during the time of the trade, which was obviously completely wrong as Harden is a STUD
You continue say that some players are a benefit of the talents and systems of other players/talents on the team however, you disregard them for the players you feel are worth it

Stay consistent Briggs,
In previous drafts like for Bynum, Vucevic, the draft with Jordan/Hibbert/McGee, even for Olindipo and his rise before it happened from a 2nd rounder to a TOP 5 pick, you didn't come up with 100 different scenarios, and that is why it makes your analysis much more effective, even when you had a couple of different scenarious, you stuck with 1-2 theories/philosophy to come up with it

I think you are surely overthinking too much and your anayslis has had much more holes to them, I do not know if you have added maybe different advancted STATs or tweaked your system for evaluating talent but it has fallen off with way too many different scenarious

--->As for Wood,
I think that is a BIG REACH for Wood, he simply is competely RAW on BOTH OFF AND DEFENSE, he will likely need at minimum 3years to fill out his body and further develop his skills, as he needs to get stronger and add more weight, as a stretch 4, especially work on his handle
He is a player that has a HIGH CEILING, however, he could also be a complete bust, in a sense he is even much more RAW than Anthony Randolph, who could possibly be signed on a 2year deal that isn't guaranteed
If he is drafted as a late 2nd rounder and stashed, I would not have a problem with that, but to reach for him in the 1st round, that is too much a risk given our lack of picks

Thats why teams have been missing bigger players like Whiteside or for us Andrew Bynum in recent years. Wood has tremendous upside--well worth a pick starting from 12 down. Id have to think about it a tad between Portis and Wood because Portis has a lot of things i like too--but I think the overall physical talent of Wood especially as a defender down the line is just too intriguing to pass up. I want to see Wood at 21 when hes 7-0 245 after he has been properly instructed in a D league then team system. His upside in year 1 is on defense--he'll score some but his potential as a help defender/rebounder is huge. Remember he avg 10 rebounds and 3 blocks really as a freshmen in age. This is a long athletic player--perfect to twin with Towns or Okafor. The four guys I pinned from 15-40 Wood Mickey Harvey and Vaughn--get back to me on in a few years.

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5/4/2015  3:15 PM
My point for Wood is that if he is selected as a 1st rounder, his contract is guaranteed, so as RAW as he is on both sides of the floor, and he has a lot of development on his body as well, it would not give us enough time to develop him....

Like I said, I realize he has a high ceiling, as Whiteside did, but by selecting him in the 1st round we lose that ability to do so, we will need a lot of time/development staff for his body to fill out first then work on all of his strengths/weakness's

But as a 2nd rounder, like we did for Thnasiss but for even longer, we would not have to sign him to a contract, while holding his rights, as he can first build up his body and further his skills, before he is even worthy of our time to put him on our roster to developing him....

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5/4/2015  3:22 PM
My point for Wood is that if he is selected as a 1st rounder, his contract is guaranteed, so as RAW as he is on both sides of the floor, and he has a lot of development on his body as well, it would not give us enough time to develop him....

Like I said, I realize he has a high ceiling, as Whiteside did, but by selecting him in the 1st round we lose that ability to do so, we will need a lot of time/development staff for his body to fill out first then work on all of his strengths/weakness's

But as a 2nd rounder, like we did for Thnasiss but for even longer, we would not have to sign him to a contract, while holding his rights, as he can first build up his body and further his skills, before he is even worthy of our time to put him on our roster to developing him....


There is a chance that he could be a BUST as well, he needs a lot of work both on and off the court, while we cannot teach a player of his physical abilities he simply needs too much work to even be considered anywhere near a 1st rounder

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5/4/2015  3:36 PM
RonRon wrote:My point for Wood is that if he is selected as a 1st rounder, his contract is guaranteed, so as RAW as he is on both sides of the floor, and he has a lot of development on his body as well, it would not give us enough time to develop him....

Like I said, I realize he has a high ceiling, as Whiteside did, but by selecting him in the 1st round we lose that ability to do so, we will need a lot of time/development staff for his body to fill out first then work on all of his strengths/weakness's

But as a 2nd rounder, like we did for Thnasiss but for even longer, we would not have to sign him to a contract, while holding his rights, as he can first build up his body and further his skills, before he is even worthy of our time to put him on our roster to developing him....

No way he will last past 20 unless there is something in his mental makeup that we do not have access to.

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5/4/2015  3:41 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
RonRon wrote:My point for Wood is that if he is selected as a 1st rounder, his contract is guaranteed, so as RAW as he is on both sides of the floor, and he has a lot of development on his body as well, it would not give us enough time to develop him....

Like I said, I realize he has a high ceiling, as Whiteside did, but by selecting him in the 1st round we lose that ability to do so, we will need a lot of time/development staff for his body to fill out first then work on all of his strengths/weakness's

But as a 2nd rounder, like we did for Thnasiss but for even longer, we would not have to sign him to a contract, while holding his rights, as he can first build up his body and further his skills, before he is even worthy of our time to put him on our roster to developing him....

No way he will last past 20 unless there is something in his mental makeup that we do not have access to.


Then he simply is not worth it with all of his weakness's, rawness, and he needs to gain much more weight/strength before he can even get on the cour to be given PT
He already is too weak to play vs boys, he is not going to be able to play vs MEN in the NBA, at the minimum 2years before that happens

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5/4/2015  4:03 PM
RonRon wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
RonRon wrote:My point for Wood is that if he is selected as a 1st rounder, his contract is guaranteed, so as RAW as he is on both sides of the floor, and he has a lot of development on his body as well, it would not give us enough time to develop him....

Like I said, I realize he has a high ceiling, as Whiteside did, but by selecting him in the 1st round we lose that ability to do so, we will need a lot of time/development staff for his body to fill out first then work on all of his strengths/weakness's

But as a 2nd rounder, like we did for Thnasiss but for even longer, we would not have to sign him to a contract, while holding his rights, as he can first build up his body and further his skills, before he is even worthy of our time to put him on our roster to developing him....

No way he will last past 20 unless there is something in his mental makeup that we do not have access to.


Then he simply is not worth it with all of his weakness's, rawness, and he needs to gain much more weight/strength before he can even get on the cour to be given PT
He already is too weak to play vs boys, he is not going to be able to play vs MEN in the NBA, at the minimum 2years before that happens

Hes the same size as Anthony Davis what are you talking about? The guy avg 16-10-3

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5/4/2015  4:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/4/2015  4:11 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
RonRon wrote:We need specifict talents to go with HIGH IQ players that are versatile on both OFF and DEFENSE


While Carroll can guard 2's at time and on OFFENSE at times, it is also because they have multiple versatile talents on OFF and DEF, with HIGH IQ, unselfishness/ball movement/shooters/multiple post threats, and and system

Danny Green could play SG, SF, and even some PF the same way Caroll can, however, Carroll is closer to a SF and undersized PF

Briggs, I do not think posters here actually hate you, I surely do not, and even when I disagree with a lot of your opinions and how you come up with them, I enjoy reading and respect your thoughts
However, you tend to switch your opinons the past couple of years a lot more
For example, you have said that you believe we should draft OK4 or Towns nomatter what
Then you say we should sign Kanter no mater what
Then after that you say you are 90% positive that both Greg Monroe and WCS has been our plan all along that past 4 months
After that you come up with 10 possible trade scenarious that you believe will be better then keeping the pick
So which one is it really?


On the other post, I copy and pasted what another posters said, just so you understand it wasn't me, but I wanted to get rid of the troll

The way you come up with your own opinions, you use the same theories to justify why we should pick the players you want but at the same time, you disregard the same reasons/philospohy for another player you do not want

For example, you said Danny Green isn't a true SG, that he doesn't have the ability to play SG because he lacks speed, ability to penetrate, and you say that the reason why Danny Green is part of a system/players around him
However, Carroll is the same exact thing, but you would overpay for him, and claim he would be a steal, even when that deal would just be under 2m of a MAX contract that Drayond Green would receive who you think we are better off finding a cheaper options and developing our own
You contradict yourself and have said that he isn't worth that contract because we do not have Stephen Curry/Klay Thompson, etc
You have said since the beggining till now that Green isn't worthy of such a contract and you put him as a role player
But we do not have the same players/system for Carroll as well, you have said that you would give him a contract above 12m a year and say it would be a steal, which is just slightly less of what Draymond Green's salary would start at
This also goes for Kanter and Westbrook, the talent that OKC has, and the BIGS that OKC has but you disregard that
Opponents have to STOP WESTBROOK first and that is why Kanter is able to do what he does, because of Westbrook and the BIGS that can hide Kanter's weakness's


Phil Jackson is targetting players that FIT in to the system but you determine the value of players with STATS, placing too much emphasize on Boxscores without giving the other factors such as leadership and what the player is able to do elevate the team and what the team is able to do because of what the player brings to the system


Do not take it personal, we all have our own opinions, and do what you do, many of us enjoy reading it regardless

1. Yes I believe that if we get picks 1 or 2 we should pick Towns or Okafor--no change.
2 We should try to sign Kanter --I would personally but we wont and OKC will match anyway.
3. I think the Knicks plan is WCS and Monroe if we get less than pick #1. Yep--thats what I think.
4. Yes Id like to think long and hard about potential ideas of trading a pick less than 2. Why wouldnt anyone look at any situation in multiple ways?
5. No I never said Danny Green is not a true SG--I said he 's a SG who doesnt drive the ball and has prospered by being on the Spurs.
6. No Kanter can score all over the court hes an advanced skill player and he can do it with or without Westbrook at PG. I like his age and skill set with where the Knicks are in development.
7. I do not like the 2015 free agency Id rather trade my cap space for picks. If we can get picks 16 and 30 from Boston and GS Id take Chritsian Wood at 16 if not there Bobby Portis at 30 Id take Tyler Harvey not there Rashaud Vaughn then Dakari Johnson. There are several senior guard I like--we will have no clue who goes to UFDA status.
8. If we get than pick 2 and we dont trad it Ill make a final determination of pick a day before the draft. My preference would likely be too turn it into multiple assets--young players and picks but it might not be doable obviously.
9. If we do take free agents Id pay up to 12.5mm for Demarre Carroll Id resign Alex Svhyed and If GS gave me 2 first round picks for David Lee--Id stop there. If not Id look at Ajinca for the right price. Thats pretty much it other than 1 yr deals


I simply do not think we can build around CA given his weakness's/inabiltieis and price tag, however, he is still a very good shooter and could score in bunches
There are teams that could fully utilize his skills, hide his weakness's, and afford to pay his contract with a strong core already, however, we simply do not have the draft picks/cap flexiblity to do so, IMO

For the price you are suggesting for taking David Lee who is NOT a throw in like a Gereld Wallace, he is a 20/10 player that could produce if given PT

I would prefer a trade with Houston, however, I would not be surprised if there would be a 3/4 team trade that would allow

GS to get Kevin Love given his injury
Cleveland getting CA

And we get some expirings and multiple draft picks with GS and Cleveland in the process and better spend the financial flexbility to target 2017 FA's, while focusing on development this year and accumulating assets for the best interest of our future

I surely wouldn't want to take on IGGY's contract, however, I do expect another Amnesty in the works after the new CBA in 2017 is done
Cleveland also has Brendan Haywoods nonguaranteed contract to work with and Varajo's partial guaranteed contract to work with, they could in turn just give take GS assets and utilize them to get another STAR or B+ player in addition to the draft picks/assets they own


Assumming GS keeps Green, they could look to try to get rid of David Lee, Mo Speights, and Iggy
It looks like Festez Ezlili is ready for a bigger role and they can easily find lower cost replacements in FA, tax payers MLE, and the development of some of their guys with Justin Holiday, Ezili, and more PT to Livingston/Barbosa *FA*


I do agree with you that we should see if Shabazzz Muhammedd could be available though, though I am not sure how serious his injury is, he has been very impressive this season when healthy and would certainly entertain giving up a future 1st rounder to acquire him
Another way of acquiring him would be to take on a combination of contracts of Pekovic, Budinger *expiring/player option*, and sharp shooter Kevin Martin,

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5/4/2015  4:33 PM
RonRon wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
RonRon wrote:We need specifict talents to go with HIGH IQ players that are versatile on both OFF and DEFENSE


While Carroll can guard 2's at time and on OFFENSE at times, it is also because they have multiple versatile talents on OFF and DEF, with HIGH IQ, unselfishness/ball movement/shooters/multiple post threats, and and system

Danny Green could play SG, SF, and even some PF the same way Caroll can, however, Carroll is closer to a SF and undersized PF

Briggs, I do not think posters here actually hate you, I surely do not, and even when I disagree with a lot of your opinions and how you come up with them, I enjoy reading and respect your thoughts
However, you tend to switch your opinons the past couple of years a lot more
For example, you have said that you believe we should draft OK4 or Towns nomatter what
Then you say we should sign Kanter no mater what
Then after that you say you are 90% positive that both Greg Monroe and WCS has been our plan all along that past 4 months
After that you come up with 10 possible trade scenarious that you believe will be better then keeping the pick
So which one is it really?


On the other post, I copy and pasted what another posters said, just so you understand it wasn't me, but I wanted to get rid of the troll

The way you come up with your own opinions, you use the same theories to justify why we should pick the players you want but at the same time, you disregard the same reasons/philospohy for another player you do not want

For example, you said Danny Green isn't a true SG, that he doesn't have the ability to play SG because he lacks speed, ability to penetrate, and you say that the reason why Danny Green is part of a system/players around him
However, Carroll is the same exact thing, but you would overpay for him, and claim he would be a steal, even when that deal would just be under 2m of a MAX contract that Drayond Green would receive who you think we are better off finding a cheaper options and developing our own
You contradict yourself and have said that he isn't worth that contract because we do not have Stephen Curry/Klay Thompson, etc
You have said since the beggining till now that Green isn't worthy of such a contract and you put him as a role player
But we do not have the same players/system for Carroll as well, you have said that you would give him a contract above 12m a year and say it would be a steal, which is just slightly less of what Draymond Green's salary would start at
This also goes for Kanter and Westbrook, the talent that OKC has, and the BIGS that OKC has but you disregard that
Opponents have to STOP WESTBROOK first and that is why Kanter is able to do what he does, because of Westbrook and the BIGS that can hide Kanter's weakness's


Phil Jackson is targetting players that FIT in to the system but you determine the value of players with STATS, placing too much emphasize on Boxscores without giving the other factors such as leadership and what the player is able to do elevate the team and what the team is able to do because of what the player brings to the system


Do not take it personal, we all have our own opinions, and do what you do, many of us enjoy reading it regardless

1. Yes I believe that if we get picks 1 or 2 we should pick Towns or Okafor--no change.
2 We should try to sign Kanter --I would personally but we wont and OKC will match anyway.
3. I think the Knicks plan is WCS and Monroe if we get less than pick #1. Yep--thats what I think.
4. Yes Id like to think long and hard about potential ideas of trading a pick less than 2. Why wouldnt anyone look at any situation in multiple ways?
5. No I never said Danny Green is not a true SG--I said he 's a SG who doesnt drive the ball and has prospered by being on the Spurs.
6. No Kanter can score all over the court hes an advanced skill player and he can do it with or without Westbrook at PG. I like his age and skill set with where the Knicks are in development.
7. I do not like the 2015 free agency Id rather trade my cap space for picks. If we can get picks 16 and 30 from Boston and GS Id take Chritsian Wood at 16 if not there Bobby Portis at 30 Id take Tyler Harvey not there Rashaud Vaughn then Dakari Johnson. There are several senior guard I like--we will have no clue who goes to UFDA status.
8. If we get than pick 2 and we dont trad it Ill make a final determination of pick a day before the draft. My preference would likely be too turn it into multiple assets--young players and picks but it might not be doable obviously.
9. If we do take free agents Id pay up to 12.5mm for Demarre Carroll Id resign Alex Svhyed and If GS gave me 2 first round picks for David Lee--Id stop there. If not Id look at Ajinca for the right price. Thats pretty much it other than 1 yr deals


I simply do not think we can build around CA given his weakness's/inabiltieis and price tag, however, he is still a very good shooter and could score in bunches
There are teams that could fully utilize his skills, hide his weakness's, and afford to pay his contract with a strong core already, however, we simply do not have the draft picks/cap flexiblity to do so, IMO

For the price you are suggesting for taking David Lee who is NOT a throw in like a Gereld Wallace, he is a 20/10 player that could produce if given PT

I would prefer a trade with Houston, however, I would not be surprised if there would be a 3/4 team trade that would allow

GS to get Kevin Love given his injury
Cleveland getting CA

And we get some expirings and multiple draft picks with GS and Cleveland in the process and better spend the financial flexbility to target 2017 FA's, while focusing on development this year and accumulating assets for the best interest of our future

I surely wouldn't want to take on IGGY's contract, however, I do expect another Amnesty in the works after the new CBA in 2017 is done
Cleveland also has Brendan Haywoods nonguaranteed contract to work with and Varajo's partial guaranteed contract to work with, they could in turn just give take GS assets and utilize them to get another STAR or B+ player in addition to the draft picks/assets they own


Assumming GS keeps Green, they could look to try to get rid of David Lee, Mo Speights, and Iggy
It looks like Festez Ezlili is ready for a bigger role and they can easily find lower cost replacements in FA, tax payers MLE, and the development of some of their guys with Justin Holiday, Ezili, and more PT to Livingston/Barbosa *FA*


I do agree with you that we should see if Shabazzz Muhammedd could be available though, though I am not sure how serious his injury is, he has been very impressive this season when healthy and would certainly entertain giving up a future 1st rounder to acquire him
Another way of acquiring him would be to take on a combination of contracts of Pekovic, Budinger *expiring/player option*, and sharp shooter Kevin Martin,

Really what i want is that 16 pick from Boston. If the Knicks get Okafor/Towns Wood--we are in really good shape. If you take a real look at their skills Christian Wood is an Anthony Davis type player albeit two years behind. Teach him to use the mid range from 18 feet instead of the 3 and you have a very similar physical player in skills body and athletic ability. Hes got BIG upside. How many players have the ability to block 3 shots rebound 10 balls and score inside and out like Wood?

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5/4/2015  4:56 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/4/2015  4:59 PM
Briggs, you have to watch the strengths and weakness's


Strengths

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hyt5McHmIKg


Weakness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua-6iCI8Mo0


He is going to have to develop his body first then he has a lot of development work on, as a 1st rounder, I simply do not think he is worth it while we will be paying for his time to do so, it isn't like we have a bunch of picks to do so, we are very limited, he is going to take much time to develop and he isn't going to have a chance to even be part of the rotation and learn from his mistakes to year 2-3 as he is RAW on both BOTH ENDS

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5/4/2015  5:01 PM
RonRon wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
RonRon wrote:We need specifict talents to go with HIGH IQ players that are versatile on both OFF and DEFENSE


While Carroll can guard 2's at time and on OFFENSE at times, it is also because they have multiple versatile talents on OFF and DEF, with HIGH IQ, unselfishness/ball movement/shooters/multiple post threats, and and system

Danny Green could play SG, SF, and even some PF the same way Caroll can, however, Carroll is closer to a SF and undersized PF

Briggs, I do not think posters here actually hate you, I surely do not, and even when I disagree with a lot of your opinions and how you come up with them, I enjoy reading and respect your thoughts
However, you tend to switch your opinons the past couple of years a lot more
For example, you have said that you believe we should draft OK4 or Towns nomatter what
Then you say we should sign Kanter no mater what
Then after that you say you are 90% positive that both Greg Monroe and WCS has been our plan all along that past 4 months
After that you come up with 10 possible trade scenarious that you believe will be better then keeping the pick
So which one is it really?


On the other post, I copy and pasted what another posters said, just so you understand it wasn't me, but I wanted to get rid of the troll

The way you come up with your own opinions, you use the same theories to justify why we should pick the players you want but at the same time, you disregard the same reasons/philospohy for another player you do not want

For example, you said Danny Green isn't a true SG, that he doesn't have the ability to play SG because he lacks speed, ability to penetrate, and you say that the reason why Danny Green is part of a system/players around him
However, Carroll is the same exact thing, but you would overpay for him, and claim he would be a steal, even when that deal would just be under 2m of a MAX contract that Drayond Green would receive who you think we are better off finding a cheaper options and developing our own
You contradict yourself and have said that he isn't worth that contract because we do not have Stephen Curry/Klay Thompson, etc
You have said since the beggining till now that Green isn't worthy of such a contract and you put him as a role player
But we do not have the same players/system for Carroll as well, you have said that you would give him a contract above 12m a year and say it would be a steal, which is just slightly less of what Draymond Green's salary would start at
This also goes for Kanter and Westbrook, the talent that OKC has, and the BIGS that OKC has but you disregard that
Opponents have to STOP WESTBROOK first and that is why Kanter is able to do what he does, because of Westbrook and the BIGS that can hide Kanter's weakness's


Phil Jackson is targetting players that FIT in to the system but you determine the value of players with STATS, placing too much emphasize on Boxscores without giving the other factors such as leadership and what the player is able to do elevate the team and what the team is able to do because of what the player brings to the system


Do not take it personal, we all have our own opinions, and do what you do, many of us enjoy reading it regardless

1. Yes I believe that if we get picks 1 or 2 we should pick Towns or Okafor--no change.
2 We should try to sign Kanter --I would personally but we wont and OKC will match anyway.
3. I think the Knicks plan is WCS and Monroe if we get less than pick #1. Yep--thats what I think.
4. Yes Id like to think long and hard about potential ideas of trading a pick less than 2. Why wouldnt anyone look at any situation in multiple ways?
5. No I never said Danny Green is not a true SG--I said he 's a SG who doesnt drive the ball and has prospered by being on the Spurs.
6. No Kanter can score all over the court hes an advanced skill player and he can do it with or without Westbrook at PG. I like his age and skill set with where the Knicks are in development.
7. I do not like the 2015 free agency Id rather trade my cap space for picks. If we can get picks 16 and 30 from Boston and GS Id take Chritsian Wood at 16 if not there Bobby Portis at 30 Id take Tyler Harvey not there Rashaud Vaughn then Dakari Johnson. There are several senior guard I like--we will have no clue who goes to UFDA status.
8. If we get than pick 2 and we dont trad it Ill make a final determination of pick a day before the draft. My preference would likely be too turn it into multiple assets--young players and picks but it might not be doable obviously.
9. If we do take free agents Id pay up to 12.5mm for Demarre Carroll Id resign Alex Svhyed and If GS gave me 2 first round picks for David Lee--Id stop there. If not Id look at Ajinca for the right price. Thats pretty much it other than 1 yr deals


I simply do not think we can build around CA
given his weakness's/inabiltieis and price tag, however, he is still a very good shooter and could score in bunches
There are teams that could fully utilize his skills, hide his weakness's, and afford to pay his contract with a strong core already, however, we simply do not have the draft picks/cap flexiblity to do so, IMO

For the price you are suggesting for taking David Lee who is NOT a throw in like a Gereld Wallace, he is a 20/10 player that could produce if given PT

I would prefer a trade with Houston, however, I would not be surprised if there would be a 3/4 team trade that would allow

GS to get Kevin Love given his injury
Cleveland getting CA

And we get some expirings and multiple draft picks with GS and Cleveland in the process and better spend the financial flexbility to target 2017 FA's, while focusing on development this year and accumulating assets for the best interest of our future

I surely wouldn't want to take on IGGY's contract, however, I do expect another Amnesty in the works after the new CBA in 2017 is done
Cleveland also has Brendan Haywoods nonguaranteed contract to work with and Varajo's partial guaranteed contract to work with, they could in turn just give take GS assets and utilize them to get another STAR or B+ player in addition to the draft picks/assets they own


Assumming GS keeps Green, they could look to try to get rid of David Lee, Mo Speights, and Iggy
It looks like Festez Ezlili is ready for a bigger role and they can easily find lower cost replacements in FA, tax payers MLE, and the development of some of their guys with Justin Holiday, Ezili, and more PT to Livingston/Barbosa *FA*


I do agree with you that we should see if Shabazzz Muhammedd could be available though, though I am not sure how serious his injury is, he has been very impressive this season when healthy and would certainly entertain giving up a future 1st rounder to acquire him
Another way of acquiring him would be to take on a combination of contracts of Pekovic, Budinger *expiring/player option*, and sharp shooter Kevin Martin,

Were not building around melo, were adding more talent to a roster that doesn't have much of anything. You build around Young talented Center, you don't build around ball handlers and volume scorers, you just add..

ES
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5/4/2015  5:04 PM
RonRon wrote:Briggs, you have to watch the strengths and weakness's


Strengths

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hyt5McHmIKg


Weakness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua-6iCI8Mo0

Everyone has weakness at 18 years old. Wood needs to be taught to focus on 18 feet and in. When he gets it down he will have a helluva career if he wants it.

Again if my free agency and offseason =

Towns/Okafor Chrsitian Wood(Boston for Wallace) David Lee resigned Schveyd and pick 30 2 UDFA guards and a future low restricted number 1 in 2020(so I have a chip next year) I will be very satisfied. David Lee by himself is better than anyone in free agency that attainable when healthy. I completely rebuild my frontline for years to come develop a deep backcourt and fort the short term live on Lee and Carmelo as my 1-2 punch for 2016.

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5/4/2015  6:30 PM
Hey nixluva--what were Marco Belinellis stats prior to coming the Spurs and then after he joined the spurs? Then go back and look at Gary Neal's stats.

This team wants to pay 8-9mm for a role player now because we are 1 player from a championship team? Or is it more likely Green would fck up developmental time for our own guards Hardaway and Galloway(and anyone else we acquire)

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5/4/2015  6:36 PM
Danny Green, six pages, really???
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5/4/2015  7:12 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Hey nixluva--what were Marco Belinellis stats prior to coming the Spurs and then after he joined the spurs? Then go back and look at Gary Neal's stats.

This team wants to pay 8-9mm for a role player now because we are 1 player from a championship team? Or is it more likely Green would fck up developmental time for our own guards Hardaway and Galloway(and anyone else we acquire)

How about this? Danny Green could show Early, THJ, Galloway etc. how you defend on a high level, against the best competition in the NBA on the biggest stage of the NBA, which is the playoffs and NBA finals!!!

You really think trying to compare Marco Bellinelli to Green is going to be an effective argument? Why don't you explain how it is that Danny Green has even better defensive wins shares and a higher blocked shot rate than Jimmy Butler? It's not all the system that is making Danny such a great defender. Danny is a great defender due to his BB IQ, talent and effort. You can't take away from his good playoff performances and regular seasons just cuz he's on a good team. Danny played on a high level PERIOD.

In addition you seem to be convinced that the Knicks can't improve significantly this summer which I think is only based on your dismissal of the teams current plan to include Melo in the rebuilding of the team and adding FA's. With Melo, a top 5 pick, Danny, another quality FA big, along with our best players from this year and most likely Thanasis, this team should be much better than it was this year and Danny should be able to continue to play his high caliber 3nD role on this team.

Do you really think Danny won't be able to get open shots on a revamped Knicks roster? Our players got open shots this year with very little talent, but just didn't make them.

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5/4/2015  7:54 PM
nixluva wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Hey nixluva--what were Marco Belinellis stats prior to coming the Spurs and then after he joined the spurs? Then go back and look at Gary Neal's stats.

This team wants to pay 8-9mm for a role player now because we are 1 player from a championship team? Or is it more likely Green would fck up developmental time for our own guards Hardaway and Galloway(and anyone else we acquire)

How about this? Danny Green could show Early, THJ, Galloway etc. how you defend on a high level, against the best competition in the NBA on the biggest stage of the NBA, which is the playoffs and NBA finals!!!

You really think trying to compare Marco Bellinelli to Green is going to be an effective argument? Why don't you explain how it is that Danny Green has even better defensive wins shares and a higher blocked shot rate than Jimmy Butler? It's not all the system that is making Danny such a great defender. Danny is a great defender due to his BB IQ, talent and effort. You can't take away from his good playoff performances and regular seasons just cuz he's on a good team. Danny played on a high level PERIOD.

In addition you seem to be convinced that the Knicks can't improve significantly this summer which I think is only based on your dismissal of the teams current plan to include Melo in the rebuilding of the team and adding FA's. With Melo, a top 5 pick, Danny, another quality FA big, along with our best players from this year and most likely Thanasis, this team should be much better than it was this year and Danny should be able to continue to play his high caliber 3nD role on this team.

Do you really think Danny won't be able to get open shots on a revamped Knicks roster? Our players got open shots this year with very little talent, but just didn't make them.

I have no argument. Im just saying look at Bellinelli's stats when he went from the Bulls to the Spurs. They went up in a big way. I think Green will be ready available--I cant imagine the Spurs even with nearly the same cap space a us would pay Green that kind of loot--and hes their player.

I think with Galloway Scvheyd(who should be the Knicks priority) Hardaway Thansis and perhaps other young players that there is no priority there at all.

To me its pretty simple--we have 0 frontcourt players under contract. I dont need expensive role players--I need to rebuild my frontline.

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BRIGGS wrote:
nixluva wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Hey nixluva--what were Marco Belinellis stats prior to coming the Spurs and then after he joined the spurs? Then go back and look at Gary Neal's stats.

This team wants to pay 8-9mm for a role player now because we are 1 player from a championship team? Or is it more likely Green would fck up developmental time for our own guards Hardaway and Galloway(and anyone else we acquire)

How about this? Danny Green could show Early, THJ, Galloway etc. how you defend on a high level, against the best competition in the NBA on the biggest stage of the NBA, which is the playoffs and NBA finals!!!

You really think trying to compare Marco Bellinelli to Green is going to be an effective argument? Why don't you explain how it is that Danny Green has even better defensive wins shares and a higher blocked shot rate than Jimmy Butler? It's not all the system that is making Danny such a great defender. Danny is a great defender due to his BB IQ, talent and effort. You can't take away from his good playoff performances and regular seasons just cuz he's on a good team. Danny played on a high level PERIOD.

In addition you seem to be convinced that the Knicks can't improve significantly this summer which I think is only based on your dismissal of the teams current plan to include Melo in the rebuilding of the team and adding FA's. With Melo, a top 5 pick, Danny, another quality FA big, along with our best players from this year and most likely Thanasis, this team should be much better than it was this year and Danny should be able to continue to play his high caliber 3nD role on this team.

Do you really think Danny won't be able to get open shots on a revamped Knicks roster? Our players got open shots this year with very little talent, but just didn't make them.

I have no argument. Im just saying look at Bellinelli's stats when he went from the Bulls to the Spurs. They went up in a big way. I think Green will be ready available--I cant imagine the Spurs even with nearly the same cap space a us would pay Green that kind of loot--and hes their player.

I think with Galloway Scvheyd(who should be the Knicks priority) Hardaway Thansis and perhaps other young players that there is no priority there at all.

To me its pretty simple--we have 0 frontcourt players under contract. I dont need expensive role players--I need to rebuild my frontline.

There are a number of bigs that will be in this FA market. Danny Green wouldn't stop us from grabbing any of them, but Danny would immediately improve our SG spot on both ends. Having him lurking creates space because teams will get burned if they ignore him and defenders end up having to chase him around the court as he cuts sideline to sideline. That creates easier looks in the paint as well.

Then on the other end you have him defending at a high level.

We simply can't just ignore what he could bring to this starting lineup next to Melo and if we ended up with either Towns or Okafor. Danny is the kind of solid SG you need to make it all work going inside out.

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5/4/2015  9:04 PM
BRIGGS wrote:1. Yes I believe that if we get picks 1 or 2 we should pick Towns or Okafor--no change.
2 We should try to sign Kanter --I would personally but we wont and OKC will match anyway.
3. I think the Knicks plan is WCS and Monroe if we get less than pick #1. Yep--thats what I think.
4. Yes Id like to think long and hard about potential ideas of trading a pick less than 2. Why wouldnt anyone look at any situation in multiple ways?
5. No I never said Danny Green is not a true SG--I said he 's a SG who doesnt drive the ball and has prospered by being on the Spurs.
6. No Kanter can score all over the court hes an advanced skill player and he can do it with or without Westbrook at PG. I like his age and skill set with where the Knicks are in development.
7. I do not like the 2015 free agency Id rather trade my cap space for picks. If we can get picks 16 and 30 from Boston and GS Id take Chritsian Wood at 16 if not there Bobby Portis at 30 Id take Tyler Harvey not there Rashaud Vaughn then Dakari Johnson. There are several senior guard I like--we will have no clue who goes to UFDA status.
8. If we get than pick 2 and we dont trad it Ill make a final determination of pick a day before the draft. My preference would likely be too turn it into multiple assets--young players and picks but it might not be doable obviously.
9. If we do take free agents Id pay up to 12.5mm for Demarre Carroll Id resign Alex Svhyed and If GS gave me 2 first round picks for David Lee--Id stop there. If not Id look at Ajinca for the right price. Thats pretty much it other than 1 yr deals

- i pretty much agree with all of this. if its not towns or okafor - id consider trading the pick.
- kanter is a nice player (with flaws) but OKC didnt go thru all these trades just to get rid of him. hes NOT available
- this yrs free agent class is NOT impressive.
- my #1 hope and target is Butler (hoping that the bulls will be cheap - but its a long shot)
- id settle for acquiring free agent role players = green/carrol/ajinca/harris/monroe - all of these guys are ROLE players.

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
Danny Green showing why you dont pay role players big money

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