BRIGGS wrote:RonRon wrote:We need specifict talents to go with HIGH IQ players that are versatile on both OFF and DEFENSE
While Carroll can guard 2's at time and on OFFENSE at times, it is also because they have multiple versatile talents on OFF and DEF, with HIGH IQ, unselfishness/ball movement/shooters/multiple post threats, and and system
Danny Green could play SG, SF, and even some PF the same way Caroll can, however, Carroll is closer to a SF and undersized PF
Briggs, I do not think posters here actually hate you, I surely do not, and even when I disagree with a lot of your opinions and how you come up with them, I enjoy reading and respect your thoughts
However, you tend to switch your opinons the past couple of years a lot more
For example, you have said that you believe we should draft OK4 or Towns nomatter what
Then you say we should sign Kanter no mater what
Then after that you say you are 90% positive that both Greg Monroe and WCS has been our plan all along that past 4 months
After that you come up with 10 possible trade scenarious that you believe will be better then keeping the pick
So which one is it really?
On the other post, I copy and pasted what another posters said, just so you understand it wasn't me, but I wanted to get rid of the troll
The way you come up with your own opinions, you use the same theories to justify why we should pick the players you want but at the same time, you disregard the same reasons/philospohy for another player you do not want
For example, you said Danny Green isn't a true SG, that he doesn't have the ability to play SG because he lacks speed, ability to penetrate, and you say that the reason why Danny Green is part of a system/players around him
However, Carroll is the same exact thing, but you would overpay for him, and claim he would be a steal, even when that deal would just be under 2m of a MAX contract that Drayond Green would receive who you think we are better off finding a cheaper options and developing our own
You contradict yourself and have said that he isn't worth that contract because we do not have Stephen Curry/Klay Thompson, etc
You have said since the beggining till now that Green isn't worthy of such a contract and you put him as a role player
But we do not have the same players/system for Carroll as well, you have said that you would give him a contract above 12m a year and say it would be a steal, which is just slightly less of what Draymond Green's salary would start at
This also goes for Kanter and Westbrook, the talent that OKC has, and the BIGS that OKC has but you disregard that
Opponents have to STOP WESTBROOK first and that is why Kanter is able to do what he does, because of Westbrook and the BIGS that can hide Kanter's weakness's
Phil Jackson is targetting players that FIT in to the system but you determine the value of players with STATS, placing too much emphasize on Boxscores without giving the other factors such as leadership and what the player is able to do elevate the team and what the team is able to do because of what the player brings to the system
Do not take it personal, we all have our own opinions, and do what you do, many of us enjoy reading it regardless
1. Yes I believe that if we get picks 1 or 2 we should pick Towns or Okafor--no change.
2 We should try to sign Kanter --I would personally but we wont and OKC will match anyway.
3. I think the Knicks plan is WCS and Monroe if we get less than pick #1. Yep--thats what I think.
4. Yes Id like to think long and hard about potential ideas of trading a pick less than 2. Why wouldnt anyone look at any situation in multiple ways?
5. No I never said Danny Green is not a true SG--I said he 's a SG who doesnt drive the ball and has prospered by being on the Spurs.
6. No Kanter can score all over the court hes an advanced skill player and he can do it with or without Westbrook at PG. I like his age and skill set with where the Knicks are in development.
7. I do not like the 2015 free agency Id rather trade my cap space for picks. If we can get picks 16 and 30 from Boston and GS Id take Chritsian Wood at 16 if not there Bobby Portis at 30 Id take Dakari Johnson if not there Rashaud Vaughn. There are several senior guard I like--we will have no clue who goes to UFDA status.
8. If we get than pick 2 and we dont trad it Ill make a final determination of pick a day before the draft. My preference would likely be too turn it into multiple assets--young players and picks but it might not be doable obviously.
9. If we do take free agents Id pay up to 12.5mm for Demarre Carroll Id resign Alex Svhyed and If GS gave me 2 first round picks for David Lee--Id stop there. If not Id look at Ajinca for the right price. Thats pretty much it other than 1 yr deals
Let me first say, I have a lot of respect of your anaylsis because I have payed a lot of attention to your posts over a decade, so I have much higher expectations for your posts/anaylsis/opinions over other posters here
However, I have noticed the past couple of years you have switching your thoughts/opinons much more and the way you come of with these assestments
Often coming up with different directions and players, evaluations, and so on....
The weakness's and inabilities of Danny Green at SG that you say are the same for DeMaRRe Carroll but you disgegard them because you prefer Carroll
What Carroll gives at the price range you say would be a steal at over 12m is not much less than Draymond Green who you have never though and still do not think is worthy of a big contract *his max is about 2m of what you would consider a steal and reach for Carroll, while Draymond Green's ability to defend 5 positions can help mentor our young guys, you never valued what Green brings both on and off the court
As we continue to watch GS, you will see how Green will give more production with more meaningfull games and not sit out for rest with shorter rotations
He plays as he is a 10year vet, while this is his first season getting consistent minutes, and he has produced for the entire year and continues to do so as we speak
You have said in the past that Harden to Houston was a poor move and overpaid during the time of the trade, which was obviously completely wrong as Harden is a STUD
You continue say that some players are a benefit of the talents and systems of other players/talents on the team however, you disregard them for the players you feel are worth it
As for Wood,
I think that is a BIG REACH for Wood, he simply is competely RAW on BOTH OFF AND DEFENSE, he will likely need at minimum 3years to fill out his body and further develop his skills, as he needs to get stronger and add more weight, as a stretch 4, especially work on his handle
He is a player that has a HIGH CEILING, however, he could also be a complete bust, in a sense he is even much more RAW than Anthony Randolph, who could possibly be signed on a 2year deal that isn't guaranteed
If he is drafted as a late 2nd rounder and stashed, I would not have a problem with that, but to reach for him in the 1st round, that is too much a risk given our lack of picks
Stay consistent Briggs,
In previous drafts like for Bynum, Vucevic, the draft with Jordan/Hibbert/McGee, even for Olindipo and his rise before it happened from a 2nd rounder to a TOP 5 pick, you didn't come up with 100 different scenarios, and that is why it makes your analysis much more effective, even when you had a couple of different scenarious, you stuck with 1-2 theories/philosophy to come up with it
I think you are surely overthinking too much and your anayslis has had much more holes to them, I do not know if you have added maybe different advancted STATs or tweaked your system for evaluating talent but it has fallen off with way too many different scenarious