newyorknewyork wrote:

dk7th wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Chandler, who has addressed the lack of ball movement on several occasions this season, did not mention Anthony by name either on Saturday or Sunday. But Chandler, who was badly outplayed by Pacers center Roy Hibbert in Game 3, seemed to be referring to his All-Star teammate when he said on Sunday that there were moments when “you want to take over the game or you want to make a big shot where you (should) stick to the game plan. A good team wins basketball games. Unless you’re a great, great, great, great individual…and we only have a few of those come through.”

Who do you think that he was talking about?

C'mon! Of course Tyson hated playing with Melo. He is a team player and Melo is frustrating to play with if you are a team player.

Maybe if the former 2nd overall pick developed his game then he could have have been skilled or capable of helping offensively creating for others and creating this ball movement.

Tyson Chandler with his 0.8 ast per game wants to talk about ball movement.

he's a finisher and he's pretty good at it. and with a career average 20% usage rate you should not be expecting assists. his critique is spot on.

He has a 20% usage rate because his offensive game sucks. 2nd overall pick and been in the league over 10 yrs.. Yet excuses are being made for him. Maybe if he put in the work to develop his offensive game he would be capable of creating assist for others. Or can be relied on offensively in big moments.

Rather the Roy Hibbert never leaving the paint because he knows damn well Tyson Chandler isn't going to hurt him. So the pick and roll (the only way Tyson can score other then put backs, but forget about that since Roy Hibbert owned him) shut down since Tyson can't put the ball on the floor or shoot consistently. Penetration shut down since Roy Hibbert didn't have the leave the paint.

Yet he wants to run his mouth? But its okay as long as he is talking bad about Melo.

ok so if that is the way you want to look at chandler then lets also level the same type of criticism at cameltoe anthiny. for instance, for the insane usage rate he averages he should have developed a better passing game and be able to create for others. but he doesn't so guess what: he sucks. and for the amount of shots he jacks up and the amount of shots he misses because he has no conscience or the ability to tell the difference between a good shot and a bad shot he should learn how to play defense at a decent level... but he doesn't so he, like chandler, sucks.

fair?

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:None of this explains why We rushed to trade Tyson. Unless Phil is really that stupid. I don't think he is I think it's a lot more plausible that he did it to please dolan and Melo and get Melo signed.

Totally disagree with the pleasing melo statement. I think he saw a guy that was paid a ton to be a leader with a championship pedigree that gave up on his team and tried to sabotage his coach. I think Phil was telling the truth when he said he wanted guys with character. Look at the guys that have been moved out. None of them other than Pablo can be characterized as high character guys.

you have it upside down and backwards again.

melo is a low character guy which is why dolan can tolerate him, in fact more than tolerate. dolan cannot tolerate superior men to himself and he finds a way of alienating them or sending them away. walsh comes to mind, and he didn't get more than a couple of million to do the job he did. but of course we must remember that stern virtually mandated that dolan hire walsh. it's because dolan is a malignant narcissist who likes to break stuff but has enough money to try and cover up his mess.

jackson's legacy will be tarnished for a tidy 60 million dollar sum before this escapade is over.

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:None of this explains why We rushed to trade Tyson. Unless Phil is really that stupid. I don't think he is I think it's a lot more plausible that he did it to please dolan and Melo and get Melo signed.

Totally disagree with the pleasing melo statement. I think he saw a guy that was paid a ton to be a leader with a championship pedigree that gave up on his team and tried to sabotage his coach. I think Phil was telling the truth when he said he wanted guys with character. Look at the guys that have been moved out. None of them other than Pablo can be characterized as high character guys.

you have it upside down and backwards again.

melo is a low character guy which is why dolan can tolerate him, in fact more than tolerate. dolan cannot tolerate superior men to himself and he finds a way of alienating them or sending them away. walsh comes to mind, and he didn't get more than a couple of million to do the job he did. but of course we must remember that stern virtually mandated that dolan hire walsh. it's because dolan is a malignant narcissist who likes to break stuff but has enough money to try and cover up his mess.

jackson's legacy will be tarnished for a tidy 60 million dollar sum before this escapade is over.

Could you expand upon this??...Site examples??..I say this because I know you are down on Melo for not lying to the Nuggets..You applauded LeBron deceitful exit from Cleveland..Please explain..

for the record i have said many times that lebron colluded with wade-- another guy whose character i have issues with-- and bosh. what he did was shytti and unethical, especially when you think about what it meant to the knicks and other suitors.

but you know what else he did? he honored his ****ing contract! now i ask you-- did melo, for all his "honesty," did melo honor his contract?

deceit in order to win on the one hand and on the other hand greed at the expense of winning.

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:None of this explains why We rushed to trade Tyson. Unless Phil is really that stupid. I don't think he is I think it's a lot more plausible that he did it to please dolan and Melo and get Melo signed.

Totally disagree with the pleasing melo statement. I think he saw a guy that was paid a ton to be a leader with a championship pedigree that gave up on his team and tried to sabotage his coach. I think Phil was telling the truth when he said he wanted guys with character. Look at the guys that have been moved out. None of them other than Pablo can be characterized as high character guys.

you have it upside down and backwards again.

melo is a low character guy which is why dolan can tolerate him, in fact more than tolerate. dolan cannot tolerate superior men to himself and he finds a way of alienating them or sending them away. walsh comes to mind, and he didn't get more than a couple of million to do the job he did. but of course we must remember that stern virtually mandated that dolan hire walsh. it's because dolan is a malignant narcissist who likes to break stuff but has enough money to try and cover up his mess.

jackson's legacy will be tarnished for a tidy 60 million dollar sum before this escapade is over.

Could you expand upon this??...Site examples??..I say this because I know you are down on Melo for not lying to the Nuggets..You applauded LeBron deceitful exit from Cleveland..Please explain..

for the record i have said many times that lebron colluded with wade-- another guy whose character i have issues with-- and bosh. what he did was shytti and unethical, especially when you think about what it meant to the knicks and other suitors.

but you know what else he did? he honored his ****ing contract! now i ask you-- did melo, for all his "honesty," did melo honor his contract?

deceit in order to win on the one hand and on the other hand greed at the expense of winning.

This should be a good one..How did Melo not honor his contract??..By telling them he won't resign after his contract it up??

he forced his way here. he himself admitted it 2.5 years later. there were several quotes from the aftermath of that period of how difficult it was for denver as a team... so basically he screwed the team he was playing for AS he was playing for them. so yeah-- melo did not honor his contract in both directions.

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:None of this explains why We rushed to trade Tyson. Unless Phil is really that stupid. I don't think he is I think it's a lot more plausible that he did it to please dolan and Melo and get Melo signed.

Totally disagree with the pleasing melo statement. I think he saw a guy that was paid a ton to be a leader with a championship pedigree that gave up on his team and tried to sabotage his coach. I think Phil was telling the truth when he said he wanted guys with character. Look at the guys that have been moved out. None of them other than Pablo can be characterized as high character guys.

you have it upside down and backwards again.

melo is a low character guy which is why dolan can tolerate him, in fact more than tolerate. dolan cannot tolerate superior men to himself and he finds a way of alienating them or sending them away. walsh comes to mind, and he didn't get more than a couple of million to do the job he did. but of course we must remember that stern virtually mandated that dolan hire walsh. it's because dolan is a malignant narcissist who likes to break stuff but has enough money to try and cover up his mess.

jackson's legacy will be tarnished for a tidy 60 million dollar sum before this escapade is over.

Could you expand upon this??...Site examples??..I say this because I know you are down on Melo for not lying to the Nuggets..You applauded LeBron deceitful exit from Cleveland..Please explain..

for the record i have said many times that lebron colluded with wade-- another guy whose character i have issues with-- and bosh. what he did was shytti and unethical, especially when you think about what it meant to the knicks and other suitors.

but you know what else he did? he honored his ****ing contract! now i ask you-- did melo, for all his "honesty," did melo honor his contract?

deceit in order to win on the one hand and on the other hand greed at the expense of winning.

This should be a good one..How did Melo not honor his contract??..By telling them he won't resign after his contract it up??

he forced his way here. he himself admitted it 2.5 years later. there were several quotes from the aftermath of that period of how difficult it was for denver as a team... so basically he screwed the team he was playing for AS he was playing for them. so yeah-- melo did not honor his contract in both directions.

I don't follow, how is that not honoring your contract??.Is there a clause in the contract that says you have to resign with the team that you are traded to??..Or he is not allow to choose his destination?..They could have done what Minny did with Love..

holfresh wrote:

Splat wrote:Does anyone at this point need to question what Melo put Denver, NYC and the whole NBA through that season? It was the biggest NBA Melo-drama of all time and completely draining.

DK's point about not honoring his contract is not technically true for two reasons:

1) Melo was no pioneer when it comes to hijacking his team to force a mid-season trade.

2) Legally speaking he honored his contract for the full season wherever he played, Denver or NYC.

but the parts that really matter have little to do with that.

What really mattered in the end is Melo was too damn stupid to realize he was forcing himself into a situation where his new club had to squander its assets to get him.

You could talk about him being greedy and not waiting until free agency and simply taking less or not. I could care less.

But the historical conclusion I think is hard to dispute is Melo screwed himself aside from financial renumeration. He's pretty stupid unless you think he's smart because he got paid.

Is Melo is the stupid one or fans for not realizing this is a business first..That players will always do what is in their best interest first..Like what everyone else does in their own lives...

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:None of this explains why We rushed to trade Tyson. Unless Phil is really that stupid. I don't think he is I think it's a lot more plausible that he did it to please dolan and Melo and get Melo signed.

Totally disagree with the pleasing melo statement. I think he saw a guy that was paid a ton to be a leader with a championship pedigree that gave up on his team and tried to sabotage his coach. I think Phil was telling the truth when he said he wanted guys with character. Look at the guys that have been moved out. None of them other than Pablo can be characterized as high character guys.

you have it upside down and backwards again.

melo is a low character guy which is why dolan can tolerate him, in fact more than tolerate. dolan cannot tolerate superior men to himself and he finds a way of alienating them or sending them away. walsh comes to mind, and he didn't get more than a couple of million to do the job he did. but of course we must remember that stern virtually mandated that dolan hire walsh. it's because dolan is a malignant narcissist who likes to break stuff but has enough money to try and cover up his mess.

jackson's legacy will be tarnished for a tidy 60 million dollar sum before this escapade is over.

Could you expand upon this??...Site examples??..I say this because I know you are down on Melo for not lying to the Nuggets..You applauded LeBron deceitful exit from Cleveland..Please explain..

for the record i have said many times that lebron colluded with wade-- another guy whose character i have issues with-- and bosh. what he did was shytti and unethical, especially when you think about what it meant to the knicks and other suitors.

but you know what else he did? he honored his ****ing contract! now i ask you-- did melo, for all his "honesty," did melo honor his contract?

deceit in order to win on the one hand and on the other hand greed at the expense of winning.

This should be a good one..How did Melo not honor his contract??..By telling them he won't resign after his contract it up??

he forced his way here. he himself admitted it 2.5 years later. there were several quotes from the aftermath of that period of how difficult it was for denver as a team... so basically he screwed the team he was playing for AS he was playing for them. so yeah-- melo did not honor his contract in both directions.

I don't follow, how is that not honoring your contract??.Is there a clause in the contract that says you have to resign with the team that you are traded to??..Or he is not allow to choose his destination?..They could have done what Minny did with Love..

i didn't say he breached his contract but he did not honor the contract. it's the difference between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. he became a distraction to the team that was paying him to perform his duties.

splat in the above post says melo was stupid. i also say stupid and add selfish and greedy.

he could have kept his mouth shut and become a free agent after that season, no matter where he mat have been traded by the nuggets before the end of that season. if the nuggets could not bear that stance that is on them. as it is he facilitated the exit by forcing his way to the knicks instead of doing the ethical thing which was to honor his contract until the nuggets themselves had to make a hard decision.

why help the team you are with instead of the team you want to end up going to, by trade or free agency?

anyway, you win hofresh. melo is a knick and will remain a knick for the forseeable future. i know that makes you happy, not only that he is being paid 25 million per season but that he is in the orange and blue. start up the marching band:

Splat wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Splat wrote:Does anyone at this point need to question what Melo put Denver, NYC and the whole NBA through that season? It was the biggest NBA Melo-drama of all time and completely draining.

DK's point about not honoring his contract is not technically true for two reasons:

1) Melo was no pioneer when it comes to hijacking his team to force a mid-season trade.

2) Legally speaking he honored his contract for the full season wherever he played, Denver or NYC.

but the parts that really matter have little to do with that.

What really mattered in the end is Melo was too damn stupid to realize he was forcing himself into a situation where his new club had to squander its assets to get him.

You could talk about him being greedy and not waiting until free agency and simply taking less or not. I could care less.

But the historical conclusion I think is hard to dispute is Melo screwed himself aside from financial renumeration. He's pretty stupid unless you think he's smart because he got paid.

Is Melo is the stupid one or fans for not realizing this is a business first..That players will always do what is in their best interest first..Like what everyone else does in their own lives...

You pretty much answered the question yourself. Melo's self-interest was financial. He got what he wanted.

If he wanted to ensure the success of the team he'd be playing on, then what he facilitated happening was pretty damn stupid.

But the other take may be that Melo doesn't really care enough about winning and more about getting paid. In which case, he was not stupid and was merely a businessman as you put it.

So I'd have to agree then. Rooting for businessmen is delightful.

No, the idea was to play with another great player in Amare and add a third player...Amare broke down and we added Flu Tyson...A few of you don't want to look at the whole picture but just spew a certain narrative...Say it enough times and use it as my signature and people might believe it...