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yellowboy90
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3/31/2015  12:14 AM
It will take a collective effort from Middleton/agents and Knicks with a short deal with tough language and near max money
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3/31/2015  12:45 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:It will take a collective effort from Middleton/agents and Knicks with a short deal with tough language and near max money

I would take that chance. Gotta see if they can pry him loose. I don't know if the Knicks would do what's been done to them but this would be the time to try it.
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3/31/2015  1:02 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:It will take a collective effort from Middleton/agents and Knicks with a short deal with tough language and near max money

I would do some homework on who owns the Bucks--not exactly the type I have seen in my life to allow ANYONE to mess with their type of money.

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3/31/2015  4:53 PM
I wanted to take a look at the WS/48 as well as PER, TS%, OWS and DWS for the Hawks and Warriors Roster and in a sense get a handle on what we should be looking at trying to replicate with a future Knicks roster. The Knicks likely won't be able to achieve this level this summer but over the course of the next couple of years this is what they need to look to do in terms of quality depth with productive players.

Obviously the goal this summer is to increase the number of winning players as much as we can. We can't realistically expect 10 players on the plus side production wise in one off season. However, if Phil is smart and crafty he might be able to make a significant dent in the process. There are underrated players on other teams that don't yet have the big name but offer far greater production than the guys we have now.

Hawks
Player	          Age	G	MP	PER	TS%	OWS	DWS	WS	WS/48 ▾		
Al Horford	  28	69	2131	20.8	.555	4.5	3.2	7.7	.173	
Paul Millsap	  29	70	2322	20.3	.571	4.0	4.1	8.1	.168	
Jeff Teague	  26	66	2043	20.6	.569	4.7	2.4	7.1	.168
Kyle Korver	  33	68	2227	14.7	.704	4.5	2.2	6.7	.145				
DeMarre Carroll	  28	63	1988	15.5	.599	3.7	2.5	6.2	.150
Dennis Schroder	  21	72	1420	15.7	.512	1.1	1.3	2.4	.082
Kent Bazemore	  25	67	1168	9.8	.531	-0.3	1.7	1.4	.056	
Mike Scott	  26	62	982	15.2	.549	1.5	0.9	2.4	.115
Pero Antic	  32	57	946	9.7	.509	0.5	0.9	1.4	.072	
Thabo Sefolosha	  30	49	909	13.5	.499	0.7	1.6	2.2	.117
Shelvin Mack	  24	47	687	12.1	.478	0.2	0.6	0.8	.056	
Elton Brand	  35	29	406	9.8	.448	0.0	0.7	0.7	.078
Mike Muscala	  23	32	313	18.9	.579	0.8	0.4	1.2	.180
John Jenkins	  23	19	224	16.3	.678	0.5	0.2	0.7	.157	
Austin Daye	  26	4	26	14.2	.545	0.1	0.0	0.1	.152	
Adreian Payne	  23	3	19	2.9	.317	0.0	0.0	0.0	-0.040	
Warriors
Player	          Age	G	MP	PER	TS%	OWS	DWS	WS	WS/48 ▾	
Stephen Curry     26	71	2332	28.0	.632	10.2	3.9	14.2	.292
Draymond Green	  24	72	2278	16.5	.543	3.0	5.0	8.0	.168
Klay Thompson     24	68	2186	20.8	.591	5.0	2.9	8.0	.175
Harrison Barnes	  22	73	2092	13.6	.589	3.6	2.8	6.4	.147
Andre Iguodala	  31	68	1837	12.7	.566	2.1	2.7	4.8	.125	
Andrew Bogut	  30	58	1376	15.5	.559	1.5	3.1	4.6	.159
Shaun Livingston  29	70	1310	13.2	.529	1.4	1.7	3.1	.114
Marreese Speights 27	67	1093	19.6	.547	2.0	1.7	3.7	.162		
Leandro Barbosa	  32	59	853	15.1	.559	1.4	1.0	2.4	.138
David Lee	  31	43	809	18.7	.544	1.6	1.5	3.1	.184
Justin Holiday	  25	52	579	12.1	.497	0.2	1.0	1.1	.094
Festus Ezeli	  25	39	417	14.6	.562	0.4	0.8	1.2	.143
Brandon Rush	  29	30	247	-0.1	.221	-0.7	0.3	-0.4	-0.071
James M McAdoo	  22	10	88	20.7	.564	0.2	0.2	0.4	.201	
Ognjen Kuzmic	  24	16	72	12.9	.727	0.2	0.1	0.3	.176	
		
Knicks 
Player	          Age	G	MP	PER	TS%	OWS	DWS	WS	WS/48 ▾	
Alexey Shved	  26	16	423	20.6	.544	1.0	0.2	1.2	.133	
Carmelo Anthony	  30	40	1428	21.6	.531	2.3	0.6	2.9	.096	
Cole Aldrich	  26	55	886	17.2	.495	0.5	1.2	1.8	.096	
Quincy Acy	  24	60	1110	11.3	.518	0.6	0.6	1.2	.050	
Andrea Bargnani	  29	25	680	16.2	.521	0.6	0.1	0.7	.049	
Shane Larkin	  22	68	1611	10.8	.504	0.7	0.6	1.4	.041	
Langston Galloway 23	37	1182	11.9	.482	0.5	0.4	0.9	.035	
Jose Calderon	  33	42	1270	11.4	.519	0.8	0.0	0.8	.030	
Louis Amundson	  32	33	699	12.6	.445	-0.2	0.6	0.4	.029	
Jason Smith	  28	74	1569	11.6	.490	0.5	0.4	0.9	.027	
Tim Hardaway	  22	63	1483	12.2	.509	0.8	-0.1	0.7	.022	
Travis Wear	  24	51	672	8.6	.451	-0.5	0.2	-0.3	-0.023	
Cleanthony Early  23	34	569	8.5	.442	-0.6	0.3	-0.3	-0.028	
Lance Thomas	  26	32	813	8.8	.470	-0.7	0.1	-0.6	-0.033	
Ricky Ledo	  22	5	93	2.4	.437	-0.4	0.0	-0.4	-0.189
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3/31/2015  4:59 PM
right ... and shved is the only one who really should be back next year. Everyone else should worry.
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/31/2015  5:08 PM
Shved is nice, and nice to see coletrain is up there too. If cole can expand on his post game I continue his rebounidng i don't know why he can't come back next year
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3/31/2015  5:09 PM
mreinman wrote:right ... and shved is the only one who really should be back next year. Everyone else should worry.

I'd really like to see this team bring in 2 way players as much as possible. It's one of the reasons I really would love to draft Towns. He's one of the clear 2 way players. In fact if there was a way to get another pick and draft Winslow i'd take him too!!! These are winning players IMO. You continue to build your roster with those kinds of players and you will win games.
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nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:right ... and shved is the only one who really should be back next year. Everyone else should worry.

I'd really like to see this team bring in 2 way players as much as possible. It's one of the reasons I really would love to draft Towns. He's one of the clear 2 way players. In fact if there was a way to get another pick and draft Winslow i'd take him too!!! These are winning players IMO. You continue to build your roster with those kinds of players and you will win games.

chances are that we are not getting towns and unless we trade Melo, we are not getting a second pick (and the chances of a team giving us a top pick for Melo and take on his contract are pretty close to 0).

We will need to think about getting Ok4, Russell or the disaster 4th pick scenario as well as signing and overpaying for decent players. It won't be easy.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/31/2015  7:04 PM
Yes it will be tough. Gotta find guys that have shown good 2 way production but are on the way up. No guarantee but younger players that project to be high caliber. There are some young vets like that in free agency this year. Shved was the kind of take a chance on a guy type. Others who could provide good value like Ajinca a kid like John Jenkins or Lavoy Allen. RFA's like Cory Joseph and Khris Middelton. All guys who are at the top of the list of rising quality NBA players.
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4/2/2015  12:44 PM
Just looking at the model teams like the Hawks and Warriors you can see we have a long way to go in order to reach their level. Gotta start with a solid core of 6 players who are productive on both ends this summer. That has to be the minimum goal in order to have a massive turnaround next year. From looking at it, aside from the top player being Steph Curry, a lot of this is not about Elite superstars, but quality depth in addition to a top player. In that regard Phil looking for multiple quality Free Agents makes sense. It's the cumulative effect of having a lot of quality players rather than the Lebron, Wade n Bosh type of roster.

Hawks
Player	          Age	G	MP	PER	TS%	OWS	DWS	WS	WS/48 ▾		
Al Horford	  28	69	2131	20.8	.555	4.5	3.2	7.7	.173	
Paul Millsap	  29	70	2322	20.3	.571	4.0	4.1	8.1	.168	
Jeff Teague	  26	66	2043	20.6	.569	4.7	2.4	7.1	.168
Kyle Korver	  33	68	2227	14.7	.704	4.5	2.2	6.7	.145				
DeMarre Carroll	  28	63	1988	15.5	.599	3.7	2.5	6.2	.150
Dennis Schroder	  21	72	1420	15.7	.512	1.1	1.3	2.4	.082
Kent Bazemore	  25	67	1168	9.8	.531	-0.3	1.7	1.4	.056	
Mike Scott	  26	62	982	15.2	.549	1.5	0.9	2.4	.115
Pero Antic	  32	57	946	9.7	.509	0.5	0.9	1.4	.072	
Thabo Sefolosha	  30	49	909	13.5	.499	0.7	1.6	2.2	.117
Shelvin Mack	  24	47	687	12.1	.478	0.2	0.6	0.8	.056	
Elton Brand	  35	29	406	9.8	.448	0.0	0.7	0.7	.078
Mike Muscala	  23	32	313	18.9	.579	0.8	0.4	1.2	.180
John Jenkins	  23	19	224	16.3	.678	0.5	0.2	0.7	.157	
Austin Daye	  26	4	26	14.2	.545	0.1	0.0	0.1	.152	
Adreian Payne	  23	3	19	2.9	.317	0.0	0.0	0.0	-0.040	
Warriors
Player	          Age	G	MP	PER	TS%	OWS	DWS	WS	WS/48 ▾	
Stephen Curry     26	71	2332	28.0	.632	10.2	3.9	14.2	.292
Draymond Green	  24	72	2278	16.5	.543	3.0	5.0	8.0	.168
Klay Thompson     24	68	2186	20.8	.591	5.0	2.9	8.0	.175
Harrison Barnes	  22	73	2092	13.6	.589	3.6	2.8	6.4	.147
Andre Iguodala	  31	68	1837	12.7	.566	2.1	2.7	4.8	.125	
Andrew Bogut	  30	58	1376	15.5	.559	1.5	3.1	4.6	.159
Shaun Livingston  29	70	1310	13.2	.529	1.4	1.7	3.1	.114
Marreese Speights 27	67	1093	19.6	.547	2.0	1.7	3.7	.162		
Leandro Barbosa	  32	59	853	15.1	.559	1.4	1.0	2.4	.138
David Lee	  31	43	809	18.7	.544	1.6	1.5	3.1	.184
Justin Holiday	  25	52	579	12.1	.497	0.2	1.0	1.1	.094
Festus Ezeli	  25	39	417	14.6	.562	0.4	0.8	1.2	.143
Brandon Rush	  29	30	247	-0.1	.221	-0.7	0.3	-0.4	-0.071
James M McAdoo	  22	10	88	20.7	.564	0.2	0.2	0.4	.201	
Ognjen Kuzmic	  24	16	72	12.9	.727	0.2	0.1	0.3	.176	
		
Knicks 
Player	          Age	G	MP	PER	TS%	OWS	DWS	WS	WS/48 ▾	
Alexey Shved	  26	16	423	20.6	.544	1.0	0.2	1.2	.133	
Carmelo Anthony	  30	40	1428	21.6	.531	2.3	0.6	2.9	.096	
Cole Aldrich	  26	55	886	17.2	.495	0.5	1.2	1.8	.096	
Quincy Acy	  24	60	1110	11.3	.518	0.6	0.6	1.2	.050	
Andrea Bargnani	  29	25	680	16.2	.521	0.6	0.1	0.7	.049	
Shane Larkin	  22	68	1611	10.8	.504	0.7	0.6	1.4	.041	
Langston Galloway 23	37	1182	11.9	.482	0.5	0.4	0.9	.035	
Jose Calderon	  33	42	1270	11.4	.519	0.8	0.0	0.8	.030	
Louis Amundson	  32	33	699	12.6	.445	-0.2	0.6	0.4	.029	
Jason Smith	  28	74	1569	11.6	.490	0.5	0.4	0.9	.027	
Tim Hardaway	  22	63	1483	12.2	.509	0.8	-0.1	0.7	.022	
Travis Wear	  24	51	672	8.6	.451	-0.5	0.2	-0.3	-0.023	
Cleanthony Early  23	34	569	8.5	.442	-0.6	0.3	-0.3	-0.028	
Lance Thomas	  26	32	813	8.8	.470	-0.7	0.1	-0.6	-0.033	
Ricky Ledo	  22	5	93	2.4	.437	-0.4	0.0	-0.4	-0.189
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I did an updated WS/48 list of free agents which included the entire season. I stopped at Tobias Harris who is just below league avg in WS/48. This list also includes more advanced stats. You can see Offensive Wins Shares and Defensive Wins Shares etc.


Rk  Player        Pos Age Tm   G   MP    PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   ORB%  DRB%  TRB%  AST%  STL% BLK% TOV%  USG%  OWS  DWS  WS   WS/48 ▾ VORP
1   DeA. Jordan	  C   26  LAC  82  2820  21.0  .638  .007  .882  16.2  32.4  24.5  3.2   1.5  5.4  12.8  13.6  7.4  5.4  12.8  .217    4.3
2   Jimmy Butler  SG  25  CHI  65  2513  21.3  .583  .212  .508  5.1   11.2  8.2   14.4  2.3  1.0  7.7   21.6  8.2  3.0  11.2  .214    4.2
3   Kawhi Leonard SF  23  SAS  64  2033  22.0  .567  .234  .307  4.8   20.6  12.9  13.0  3.7  1.8  9.4   23.0  4.2  4.4  8.6   .204    4.1
4   Bran. Wright  PF  27  TOT  75  1449	 20.4  .660  .008  .309  9.6   14.7  12.1  4.4   1.7  5.1  7.6   13.6  4.3  1.8  6.1   .202    2.0
5   M. Gasol	  C   30  MEM  81  2687  21.7  .558  .016  .410  4.9   21.8  13.4  19.7  1.4  4.0  12.2  24.6  5.5  4.7  10.2  .182    4.6
6   M. Muscala	  PF  23  ATL  40  502   18.0  .608  .146  .166  12.2  14.8  13.5  8.0   1.6  3.2  11.5  16.7  1.2  0.7  1.9   .179    0.5
7   P. Millsap	  PF  29  ATL  73  2390  20.1  .565  .232  .362  6.9   20.0  13.6  15.4  2.8  2.4  13.3  23.8  4.0  4.3  8.3   .167    3.7
8   A. Baynes	  C   28  SAS  70  1122  15.9  .618  .012  .318  11.2  20.7  16.1  4.9   0.7  1.5  14.8  17.8  2.3  1.6  3.9   .166    0.3
9   L. Aldridge	  PF  29  POR  71  2512  22.8  .528  .074  .256  7.7   22.9  15.5  9.2   1.0  1.9  7.2   30.2  4.9  3.7  8.6   .165    1.4
10  K. Love	  PF  26  CLE  75  2532  18.8  .562  .412  .337  6.5   26.3  16.6  10.7  1.0  1.2  10.0  21.7  5.8  2.9  8.7   .165    2.5
Rk  Player        Pos Age Tm   G   MP    PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   ORB%  DRB%  TRB%  AST%  STL% BLK% TOV%  USG%  OWS  DWS  WS   WS/48 ▾ VORP
11  Danny Green	  SG  27  SAS  81  2312  16.5  .596  .619  .172  2.7   13.9  8.4   10.3  2.2  2.8  10.5  17.5  4.0  3.9  7.8   .163    4.1
12  Dray. Green	  SF  24  GSW  79  2490  16.4  .540  .430  .261  5.1   22.4  14.0  16.1  2.4  2.9  13.5  17.2  3.3  5.2  8.5   .163    4.4
13  A. Ajinca	  C   26  NOP  68  957   19.9  .595  .000  .301  12.4  25.0  18.7  8.2   1.2  4.0  15.6  21.1  1.9  1.2  3.2   .159    0.5
14  Brook Lopez	  C   26  BRK  72  2100  22.7  .558  .010  .278  11.5  17.1  14.3  4.5   1.1  4.8  8.6   26.3  4.7  2.2  7.0   .159    1.1
15  B. Biyombo	  C   22  CHO  64  1243  15.2  .578  .000  .941  13.7  22.6  18.0  2.0   0.7  6.3  16.5  11.6  1.8  2.2  4.0   .155    0.5
16  D. Carroll	  SF  28  ATL  70  2189  15.9  .603  .466  .277  5.3   13.8  9.7   8.3   2.2  0.7  9.3   16.9  4.3  2.8  7.0   .154    2.7
17  G. Monroe	  PF  24  DET  69  2137  21.2  .549  .000  .394  11.2  25.1  17.9  11.7  1.9  1.3  13.0  23.9  4.0  2.8  6.8   .153    2.1
18  A. Morrow	  SG  29  OKC  74  1806  14.8  .604  .528  .145  2.4   9.1   5.8   5.2   1.5  0.5  5.5   16.5  4.4  1.2  5.7   .151    1.2
19  R. Lopez	  C   26  POR  59  1638  16.2  .574  .002  .291  12.7  13.1  12.9  5.1   0.5  3.7  12.9  15.5  3.2  1.9  5.1   .150    1.7
20  C. Joseph	  PG  23  SAS  79  1444  15.5  .564  .107  .348  3.5   11.4  7.5   19.7  1.6  0.9  12.4  17.0  2.7  1.8  4.5   .149    1.0
Rk  Player        Pos Age Tm   G   MP    PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   ORB%  DRB%  TRB%  AST%  STL% BLK% TOV%  USG%  OWS  DWS  WS   WS/48 ▾ VORP
21  Tri Thompson  PF  23  CLE  82  2194  15.6  .580  .000  .508  14.5  19.7  17.2  2.7   0.8  2.2  12.2  14.0  4.7  2.1  6.8   .148    0.8
22  W. Matthews	  SG  28  POR  60  2024  16.1  .586  .592  .193  2.1   9.5   5.9   10.8  1.9  0.4  9.0   19.8  4.0  2.2  6.2   .147    3.0
23  Enes Kanter	  C   22  TOT  75  2135  20.3  .564  .048  .252  14.6  20.5  17.6  4.8   0.9  1.1  12.3  24.7  4.3  2.1  6.4   .145   -0.1
24  Jon. Jerebko  PF  27  TOT  75  1230  15.0  .549  .369  .174  8.0   17.2  12.5  9.0   1.9  1.1  9.7   16.2  2.0  1.4  3.5   .135    0.9
25  K. Middleton  PF  23  MIL  79  2378  15.6  .563  .308  .180  2.3   14.3  8.4   12.7  2.6  0.4  10.8  19.9  3.2  3.5  6.7   .135    2.0
26  Alexey Shved  SG  26  TOT  42  767   19.5  .541  .415  .448  3.3   11.7  7.3   25.7  2.0  0.6  10.7  26.3  1.7  0.5  2.2   .135    0.5
27  Brandon Bass  PF  29  BOS  82  1929  16.3  .557  .047  .313  7.8   14.9  11.3  8.6   1.1  1.3  9.6   19.5  3.4  1.9  5.3   .132    0.7
28  Dorell Wright SF  29  POR  48  592   13.4  .525  .568  .221  2.6   17.2  10.0  10.2  1.7  1.3  7.9   17.1  0.7  0.8  1.6   .128    0.4
29  Lavoy Allen   PF  25  IND  63  1070  14.9  .493  .000  .157  12.8  20.5  16.7  10.9  0.7  3.1  11.1  15.2  1.3  1.6  2.8   .127    0.8
30  Amir Johnson  PF  27  TOR  75  1979  15.4  .603  .089  .249  9.3   17.3  13.3  9.4   1.1  2.4  16.0  15.7  3.5  1.6  5.1   .124    1.9
Rk  Player        Pos Age Tm   G   MP    PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   ORB%  DRB%  TRB%  AST%  STL% BLK% TOV%  USG%  OWS  DWS  WS   WS/48 ▾ VORP
31  Goran Dragic  PG  28  TOT  78  2640  17.4  .577  .258  .234  3.5   8.2   5.9   22.8  1.5  0.5  13.5  21.8  5.4  1.4  6.8   .123    2.1
32  Joel Freeland C   27  POR  48  617   12.2  .522  .000  .166  11.0  21.9  16.6  3.8   0.7  2.7  12.4  13.4  0.6  0.9  1.6   .122    0.0
33  Tha Sefolosha SF  30  ATL  52  976   13.8  .506  .313  .233  6.4   19.3  13.1  11.2  2.8  1.8  12.2  14.6  0.8  1.7  2.5   .121    0.8
34  Omer Asik	  C   28  NOP  76  1982  15.5  .545  .000  .546  14.0  28.8  21.4  5.4   0.8  2.1  15.7  14.0  2.8  2.2  5.0   .120    0.6
35  Kosta Koufos  C   25  MEM  81  1348  14.2  .530  .000  .237  10.3  25.8  18.1  4.3   1.1  3.9  14.9  15.8  0.8  2.5  3.3   .118    0.2
36  Jae Crowder   SF  24  TOT  82  1647  13.9  .517  .382  .259  4.7   14.9  9.7   8.6   2.2  1.2  7.5   17.5  1.9  2.0  3.9   .113    1.1
37  Cole Aldrich  C   26  NYK  61  976   18.1  .513  .000  .213  11.6  28.9  20.0  13.3  2.0  5.5  15.2  18.3  0.8  1.4  2.2   .107    0.7
38  Bran Knight	  PG  23  TOT  63  2035  17.1  .543  .361  .251  1.6   12.0  6.8   27.4  2.3  0.4  16.1  25.9  2.0  2.5  4.5   .106    1.6
39  Reg Jackson	  PG  24  TOT  77  2268  17.2  .511  .242  .219  2.6   12.9  7.8   34.8  1.4  0.3  14.6  24.6  3.3  1.7  4.9   .104    1.6
40  Mar Belinelli SG  28  SAS  62  1388  12.4  .553  .489  .211  2.2   10.5  6.4   10.3  1.1  0.2  10.6  18.8  1.5  1.4  2.9   .100    0.5
41  Tobias Harris SF  22  ORL  68  2369  16.7  .551  .252  .258  3.4   17.3  10.3  8.8   1.5  1.2  9.8   22.5  3.0  1.8  4.8   .098    1.0
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4/20/2015  4:04 PM
nixluva wrote:I did an updated WS/48 list of free agents which included the entire season. I stopped at Tobias Harris who is just below league avg in WS/48. This list also includes more advanced stats. You can see Offensive Wins Shares and Defensive Wins Shares etc.


Rk  Player        Pos Age Tm   G   MP    PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   ORB%  DRB%  TRB%  AST%  STL% BLK% TOV%  USG%  OWS  DWS  WS   WS/48 ▾ VORP
1   DeA. Jordan	  C   26  LAC  82  2820  21.0  .638  .007  .882  16.2  32.4  24.5  3.2   1.5  5.4  12.8  13.6  7.4  5.4  12.8  .217    4.3
2   Jimmy Butler  SG  25  CHI  65  2513  21.3  .583  .212  .508  5.1   11.2  8.2   14.4  2.3  1.0  7.7   21.6  8.2  3.0  11.2  .214    4.2
3   Kawhi Leonard SF  23  SAS  64  2033  22.0  .567  .234  .307  4.8   20.6  12.9  13.0  3.7  1.8  9.4   23.0  4.2  4.4  8.6   .204    4.1
4   Bran. Wright  PF  27  TOT  75  1449	 20.4  .660  .008  .309  9.6   14.7  12.1  4.4   1.7  5.1  7.6   13.6  4.3  1.8  6.1   .202    2.0
5   M. Gasol	  C   30  MEM  81  2687  21.7  .558  .016  .410  4.9   21.8  13.4  19.7  1.4  4.0  12.2  24.6  5.5  4.7  10.2  .182    4.6
6   M. Muscala	  PF  23  ATL  40  502   18.0  .608  .146  .166  12.2  14.8  13.5  8.0   1.6  3.2  11.5  16.7  1.2  0.7  1.9   .179    0.5
7   P. Millsap	  PF  29  ATL  73  2390  20.1  .565  .232  .362  6.9   20.0  13.6  15.4  2.8  2.4  13.3  23.8  4.0  4.3  8.3   .167    3.7
8   A. Baynes	  C   28  SAS  70  1122  15.9  .618  .012  .318  11.2  20.7  16.1  4.9   0.7  1.5  14.8  17.8  2.3  1.6  3.9   .166    0.3
9   L. Aldridge	  PF  29  POR  71  2512  22.8  .528  .074  .256  7.7   22.9  15.5  9.2   1.0  1.9  7.2   30.2  4.9  3.7  8.6   .165    1.4
10  K. Love	  PF  26  CLE  75  2532  18.8  .562  .412  .337  6.5   26.3  16.6  10.7  1.0  1.2  10.0  21.7  5.8  2.9  8.7   .165    2.5
Rk  Player        Pos Age Tm   G   MP    PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   ORB%  DRB%  TRB%  AST%  STL% BLK% TOV%  USG%  OWS  DWS  WS   WS/48 ▾ VORP
11  Danny Green	  SG  27  SAS  81  2312  16.5  .596  .619  .172  2.7   13.9  8.4   10.3  2.2  2.8  10.5  17.5  4.0  3.9  7.8   .163    4.1
12  Dray. Green	  SF  24  GSW  79  2490  16.4  .540  .430  .261  5.1   22.4  14.0  16.1  2.4  2.9  13.5  17.2  3.3  5.2  8.5   .163    4.4
13  A. Ajinca	  C   26  NOP  68  957   19.9  .595  .000  .301  12.4  25.0  18.7  8.2   1.2  4.0  15.6  21.1  1.9  1.2  3.2   .159    0.5
14  Brook Lopez	  C   26  BRK  72  2100  22.7  .558  .010  .278  11.5  17.1  14.3  4.5   1.1  4.8  8.6   26.3  4.7  2.2  7.0   .159    1.1
15  B. Biyombo	  C   22  CHO  64  1243  15.2  .578  .000  .941  13.7  22.6  18.0  2.0   0.7  6.3  16.5  11.6  1.8  2.2  4.0   .155    0.5
16  D. Carroll	  SF  28  ATL  70  2189  15.9  .603  .466  .277  5.3   13.8  9.7   8.3   2.2  0.7  9.3   16.9  4.3  2.8  7.0   .154    2.7
17  G. Monroe	  PF  24  DET  69  2137  21.2  .549  .000  .394  11.2  25.1  17.9  11.7  1.9  1.3  13.0  23.9  4.0  2.8  6.8   .153    2.1
18  A. Morrow	  SG  29  OKC  74  1806  14.8  .604  .528  .145  2.4   9.1   5.8   5.2   1.5  0.5  5.5   16.5  4.4  1.2  5.7   .151    1.2
19  R. Lopez	  C   26  POR  59  1638  16.2  .574  .002  .291  12.7  13.1  12.9  5.1   0.5  3.7  12.9  15.5  3.2  1.9  5.1   .150    1.7
20  C. Joseph	  PG  23  SAS  79  1444  15.5  .564  .107  .348  3.5   11.4  7.5   19.7  1.6  0.9  12.4  17.0  2.7  1.8  4.5   .149    1.0
Rk  Player        Pos Age Tm   G   MP    PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   ORB%  DRB%  TRB%  AST%  STL% BLK% TOV%  USG%  OWS  DWS  WS   WS/48 ▾ VORP
21  Tri Thompson  PF  23  CLE  82  2194  15.6  .580  .000  .508  14.5  19.7  17.2  2.7   0.8  2.2  12.2  14.0  4.7  2.1  6.8   .148    0.8
22  W. Matthews	  SG  28  POR  60  2024  16.1  .586  .592  .193  2.1   9.5   5.9   10.8  1.9  0.4  9.0   19.8  4.0  2.2  6.2   .147    3.0
23  Enes Kanter	  C   22  TOT  75  2135  20.3  .564  .048  .252  14.6  20.5  17.6  4.8   0.9  1.1  12.3  24.7  4.3  2.1  6.4   .145   -0.1
24  Jon. Jerebko  PF  27  TOT  75  1230  15.0  .549  .369  .174  8.0   17.2  12.5  9.0   1.9  1.1  9.7   16.2  2.0  1.4  3.5   .135    0.9
25  K. Middleton  PF  23  MIL  79  2378  15.6  .563  .308  .180  2.3   14.3  8.4   12.7  2.6  0.4  10.8  19.9  3.2  3.5  6.7   .135    2.0
26  Alexey Shved  SG  26  TOT  42  767   19.5  .541  .415  .448  3.3   11.7  7.3   25.7  2.0  0.6  10.7  26.3  1.7  0.5  2.2   .135    0.5
27  Brandon Bass  PF  29  BOS  82  1929  16.3  .557  .047  .313  7.8   14.9  11.3  8.6   1.1  1.3  9.6   19.5  3.4  1.9  5.3   .132    0.7
28  Dorell Wright SF  29  POR  48  592   13.4  .525  .568  .221  2.6   17.2  10.0  10.2  1.7  1.3  7.9   17.1  0.7  0.8  1.6   .128    0.4
29  Lavoy Allen   PF  25  IND  63  1070  14.9  .493  .000  .157  12.8  20.5  16.7  10.9  0.7  3.1  11.1  15.2  1.3  1.6  2.8   .127    0.8
30  Amir Johnson  PF  27  TOR  75  1979  15.4  .603  .089  .249  9.3   17.3  13.3  9.4   1.1  2.4  16.0  15.7  3.5  1.6  5.1   .124    1.9
Rk  Player        Pos Age Tm   G   MP    PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   ORB%  DRB%  TRB%  AST%  STL% BLK% TOV%  USG%  OWS  DWS  WS   WS/48 ▾ VORP
31  Goran Dragic  PG  28  TOT  78  2640  17.4  .577  .258  .234  3.5   8.2   5.9   22.8  1.5  0.5  13.5  21.8  5.4  1.4  6.8   .123    2.1
32  Joel Freeland C   27  POR  48  617   12.2  .522  .000  .166  11.0  21.9  16.6  3.8   0.7  2.7  12.4  13.4  0.6  0.9  1.6   .122    0.0
33  Tha Sefolosha SF  30  ATL  52  976   13.8  .506  .313  .233  6.4   19.3  13.1  11.2  2.8  1.8  12.2  14.6  0.8  1.7  2.5   .121    0.8
34  Omer Asik	  C   28  NOP  76  1982  15.5  .545  .000  .546  14.0  28.8  21.4  5.4   0.8  2.1  15.7  14.0  2.8  2.2  5.0   .120    0.6
35  Kosta Koufos  C   25  MEM  81  1348  14.2  .530  .000  .237  10.3  25.8  18.1  4.3   1.1  3.9  14.9  15.8  0.8  2.5  3.3   .118    0.2
36  Jae Crowder   SF  24  TOT  82  1647  13.9  .517  .382  .259  4.7   14.9  9.7   8.6   2.2  1.2  7.5   17.5  1.9  2.0  3.9   .113    1.1
37  Cole Aldrich  C   26  NYK  61  976   18.1  .513  .000  .213  11.6  28.9  20.0  13.3  2.0  5.5  15.2  18.3  0.8  1.4  2.2   .107    0.7
38  Bran Knight	  PG  23  TOT  63  2035  17.1  .543  .361  .251  1.6   12.0  6.8   27.4  2.3  0.4  16.1  25.9  2.0  2.5  4.5   .106    1.6
39  Reg Jackson	  PG  24  TOT  77  2268  17.2  .511  .242  .219  2.6   12.9  7.8   34.8  1.4  0.3  14.6  24.6  3.3  1.7  4.9   .104    1.6
40  Mar Belinelli SG  28  SAS  62  1388  12.4  .553  .489  .211  2.2   10.5  6.4   10.3  1.1  0.2  10.6  18.8  1.5  1.4  2.9   .100    0.5
41  Tobias Harris SF  22  ORL  68  2369  16.7  .551  .252  .258  3.4   17.3  10.3  8.8   1.5  1.2  9.8   22.5  3.0  1.8  4.8   .098    1.0

Glad you added VORP. That stat gives a little more perspective on the value each players has on their current team.
Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
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4/20/2015  4:13 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
nixluva wrote:I did an updated WS/48 list of free agents which included the entire season. I stopped at Tobias Harris who is just below league avg in WS/48. This list also includes more advanced stats. You can see Offensive Wins Shares and Defensive Wins Shares etc.


Rk  Player        Pos Age Tm   G   MP    PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   ORB%  DRB%  TRB%  AST%  STL% BLK% TOV%  USG%  OWS  DWS  WS   WS/48 ▾ VORP
1   DeA. Jordan	  C   26  LAC  82  2820  21.0  .638  .007  .882  16.2  32.4  24.5  3.2   1.5  5.4  12.8  13.6  7.4  5.4  12.8  .217    4.3
2   Jimmy Butler  SG  25  CHI  65  2513  21.3  .583  .212  .508  5.1   11.2  8.2   14.4  2.3  1.0  7.7   21.6  8.2  3.0  11.2  .214    4.2
3   Kawhi Leonard SF  23  SAS  64  2033  22.0  .567  .234  .307  4.8   20.6  12.9  13.0  3.7  1.8  9.4   23.0  4.2  4.4  8.6   .204    4.1
4   Bran. Wright  PF  27  TOT  75  1449	 20.4  .660  .008  .309  9.6   14.7  12.1  4.4   1.7  5.1  7.6   13.6  4.3  1.8  6.1   .202    2.0
5   M. Gasol	  C   30  MEM  81  2687  21.7  .558  .016  .410  4.9   21.8  13.4  19.7  1.4  4.0  12.2  24.6  5.5  4.7  10.2  .182    4.6
6   M. Muscala	  PF  23  ATL  40  502   18.0  .608  .146  .166  12.2  14.8  13.5  8.0   1.6  3.2  11.5  16.7  1.2  0.7  1.9   .179    0.5
7   P. Millsap	  PF  29  ATL  73  2390  20.1  .565  .232  .362  6.9   20.0  13.6  15.4  2.8  2.4  13.3  23.8  4.0  4.3  8.3   .167    3.7
8   A. Baynes	  C   28  SAS  70  1122  15.9  .618  .012  .318  11.2  20.7  16.1  4.9   0.7  1.5  14.8  17.8  2.3  1.6  3.9   .166    0.3
9   L. Aldridge	  PF  29  POR  71  2512  22.8  .528  .074  .256  7.7   22.9  15.5  9.2   1.0  1.9  7.2   30.2  4.9  3.7  8.6   .165    1.4
10  K. Love	  PF  26  CLE  75  2532  18.8  .562  .412  .337  6.5   26.3  16.6  10.7  1.0  1.2  10.0  21.7  5.8  2.9  8.7   .165    2.5
Rk  Player        Pos Age Tm   G   MP    PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   ORB%  DRB%  TRB%  AST%  STL% BLK% TOV%  USG%  OWS  DWS  WS   WS/48 ▾ VORP
11  Danny Green	  SG  27  SAS  81  2312  16.5  .596  .619  .172  2.7   13.9  8.4   10.3  2.2  2.8  10.5  17.5  4.0  3.9  7.8   .163    4.1
12  Dray. Green	  SF  24  GSW  79  2490  16.4  .540  .430  .261  5.1   22.4  14.0  16.1  2.4  2.9  13.5  17.2  3.3  5.2  8.5   .163    4.4
13  A. Ajinca	  C   26  NOP  68  957   19.9  .595  .000  .301  12.4  25.0  18.7  8.2   1.2  4.0  15.6  21.1  1.9  1.2  3.2   .159    0.5
14  Brook Lopez	  C   26  BRK  72  2100  22.7  .558  .010  .278  11.5  17.1  14.3  4.5   1.1  4.8  8.6   26.3  4.7  2.2  7.0   .159    1.1
15  B. Biyombo	  C   22  CHO  64  1243  15.2  .578  .000  .941  13.7  22.6  18.0  2.0   0.7  6.3  16.5  11.6  1.8  2.2  4.0   .155    0.5
16  D. Carroll	  SF  28  ATL  70  2189  15.9  .603  .466  .277  5.3   13.8  9.7   8.3   2.2  0.7  9.3   16.9  4.3  2.8  7.0   .154    2.7
17  G. Monroe	  PF  24  DET  69  2137  21.2  .549  .000  .394  11.2  25.1  17.9  11.7  1.9  1.3  13.0  23.9  4.0  2.8  6.8   .153    2.1
18  A. Morrow	  SG  29  OKC  74  1806  14.8  .604  .528  .145  2.4   9.1   5.8   5.2   1.5  0.5  5.5   16.5  4.4  1.2  5.7   .151    1.2
19  R. Lopez	  C   26  POR  59  1638  16.2  .574  .002  .291  12.7  13.1  12.9  5.1   0.5  3.7  12.9  15.5  3.2  1.9  5.1   .150    1.7
20  C. Joseph	  PG  23  SAS  79  1444  15.5  .564  .107  .348  3.5   11.4  7.5   19.7  1.6  0.9  12.4  17.0  2.7  1.8  4.5   .149    1.0
Rk  Player        Pos Age Tm   G   MP    PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   ORB%  DRB%  TRB%  AST%  STL% BLK% TOV%  USG%  OWS  DWS  WS   WS/48 ▾ VORP
21  Tri Thompson  PF  23  CLE  82  2194  15.6  .580  .000  .508  14.5  19.7  17.2  2.7   0.8  2.2  12.2  14.0  4.7  2.1  6.8   .148    0.8
22  W. Matthews	  SG  28  POR  60  2024  16.1  .586  .592  .193  2.1   9.5   5.9   10.8  1.9  0.4  9.0   19.8  4.0  2.2  6.2   .147    3.0
23  Enes Kanter	  C   22  TOT  75  2135  20.3  .564  .048  .252  14.6  20.5  17.6  4.8   0.9  1.1  12.3  24.7  4.3  2.1  6.4   .145   -0.1
24  Jon. Jerebko  PF  27  TOT  75  1230  15.0  .549  .369  .174  8.0   17.2  12.5  9.0   1.9  1.1  9.7   16.2  2.0  1.4  3.5   .135    0.9
25  K. Middleton  PF  23  MIL  79  2378  15.6  .563  .308  .180  2.3   14.3  8.4   12.7  2.6  0.4  10.8  19.9  3.2  3.5  6.7   .135    2.0
26  Alexey Shved  SG  26  TOT  42  767   19.5  .541  .415  .448  3.3   11.7  7.3   25.7  2.0  0.6  10.7  26.3  1.7  0.5  2.2   .135    0.5
27  Brandon Bass  PF  29  BOS  82  1929  16.3  .557  .047  .313  7.8   14.9  11.3  8.6   1.1  1.3  9.6   19.5  3.4  1.9  5.3   .132    0.7
28  Dorell Wright SF  29  POR  48  592   13.4  .525  .568  .221  2.6   17.2  10.0  10.2  1.7  1.3  7.9   17.1  0.7  0.8  1.6   .128    0.4
29  Lavoy Allen   PF  25  IND  63  1070  14.9  .493  .000  .157  12.8  20.5  16.7  10.9  0.7  3.1  11.1  15.2  1.3  1.6  2.8   .127    0.8
30  Amir Johnson  PF  27  TOR  75  1979  15.4  .603  .089  .249  9.3   17.3  13.3  9.4   1.1  2.4  16.0  15.7  3.5  1.6  5.1   .124    1.9
Rk  Player        Pos Age Tm   G   MP    PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   ORB%  DRB%  TRB%  AST%  STL% BLK% TOV%  USG%  OWS  DWS  WS   WS/48 ▾ VORP
31  Goran Dragic  PG  28  TOT  78  2640  17.4  .577  .258  .234  3.5   8.2   5.9   22.8  1.5  0.5  13.5  21.8  5.4  1.4  6.8   .123    2.1
32  Joel Freeland C   27  POR  48  617   12.2  .522  .000  .166  11.0  21.9  16.6  3.8   0.7  2.7  12.4  13.4  0.6  0.9  1.6   .122    0.0
33  Tha Sefolosha SF  30  ATL  52  976   13.8  .506  .313  .233  6.4   19.3  13.1  11.2  2.8  1.8  12.2  14.6  0.8  1.7  2.5   .121    0.8
34  Omer Asik	  C   28  NOP  76  1982  15.5  .545  .000  .546  14.0  28.8  21.4  5.4   0.8  2.1  15.7  14.0  2.8  2.2  5.0   .120    0.6
35  Kosta Koufos  C   25  MEM  81  1348  14.2  .530  .000  .237  10.3  25.8  18.1  4.3   1.1  3.9  14.9  15.8  0.8  2.5  3.3   .118    0.2
36  Jae Crowder   SF  24  TOT  82  1647  13.9  .517  .382  .259  4.7   14.9  9.7   8.6   2.2  1.2  7.5   17.5  1.9  2.0  3.9   .113    1.1
37  Cole Aldrich  C   26  NYK  61  976   18.1  .513  .000  .213  11.6  28.9  20.0  13.3  2.0  5.5  15.2  18.3  0.8  1.4  2.2   .107    0.7
38  Bran Knight	  PG  23  TOT  63  2035  17.1  .543  .361  .251  1.6   12.0  6.8   27.4  2.3  0.4  16.1  25.9  2.0  2.5  4.5   .106    1.6
39  Reg Jackson	  PG  24  TOT  77  2268  17.2  .511  .242  .219  2.6   12.9  7.8   34.8  1.4  0.3  14.6  24.6  3.3  1.7  4.9   .104    1.6
40  Mar Belinelli SG  28  SAS  62  1388  12.4  .553  .489  .211  2.2   10.5  6.4   10.3  1.1  0.2  10.6  18.8  1.5  1.4  2.9   .100    0.5
41  Tobias Harris SF  22  ORL  68  2369  16.7  .551  .252  .258  3.4   17.3  10.3  8.8   1.5  1.2  9.8   22.5  3.0  1.8  4.8   .098    1.0

Glad you added VORP. That stat gives a little more perspective on the value each players has on their current team.

I figured it was better to put some more info in there. The more stats the more clarity we can get on what these players actually bring to the table. It's easy to let passions take over and not see a player for who he really is. Some of the players that get slammed are actually much more productive than the "eye test" would suggest. People watch a player in a game or 2 and form an opinion but don't realize how that player performs over the course of a season.
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4/20/2015  8:38 PM
Enes Kanter Value over Replacement Player: -0.1! Ouch!
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4/20/2015  8:50 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:Enes Kanter Value over Replacement Player: -0.1! Ouch!

His recent good play wasn't enough to make up for an entire season.
I know Monroe isn't a sexy option but he isn't nearly as bad as people make him out to be. He's got solid numbers and I think he was misused in Detroit.
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4/20/2015  9:38 PM
if we can't acquire butler we should try to develop shved.
knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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4/20/2015  9:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/20/2015  10:01 PM
Butler or Carroll. If not then We develop Svhed & Galloway
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4/20/2015  9:56 PM
Look at Danny Green's status on the list. Dude is tied with Draymond Green in WS/48. He's one of my targets for sure.
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4/20/2015  10:02 PM
I like Danny Green but Phil likes guards who create like Svhed and Galloway. Green is a good spot up shooter whereas Carrol and Butler to an extent create plays off the dribble
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nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Enes Kanter Value over Replacement Player: -0.1! Ouch!

His recent good play wasn't enough to make up for an entire season.
I know Monroe isn't a sexy option but he isn't nearly as bad as people make him out to be. He's got solid numbers and I think he was misused in Detroit.

good player inside of 3 feet. Outside? Not so much.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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