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Alan Hahn was trying to lay the foundation yesterday for the Knicks trading the overall pick #1 for KD
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holfresh
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3/20/2015  5:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/20/2015  5:10 PM
crzymdups wrote:
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
mreinman wrote:

well ... I was being a bit extreme for effect.

hey, I'm on board. Westbrook would never be available via trade anyway - not until his knees start to go bad. (I've actually predicted for a few years that Russ will be a Knick in 2019 when he's 30 and his knees start to go.) I tend to be of the belief that trading for guys is not the way to go and if a guy is available via trade it's because there is a problem developing with that player or the player is overrated. Sometimes a guy just needs a change of scenery, but usually it doesn't tend to work. I wish they would just commit to drafting guys. The "problem" with the Knicks could be fixed with three or four good drafts in a row. Dolan, the idiot, keeps throwing good money after bad, trying to fix it all at once. It's been this way for 16 years. You'd think we'd learn.

as I've said.

I ain't interested in adoption, I want my own damn baby!

Yep.

I don't know why Dolan doesn't realize that fans would love to just draft D'Angelo Russell and watch him grow into a star over the course of five years.

Hell, even advertisers would love it.

Dolan is really dumb.


What fans are those??..If Phil don't start winning next year, the Garden fans will ask for his and Fisher's head...No matter who the draft pick is..They were chanting fire Fisher in January..I'm thinking that's why Phil pulled the trigger on JR and Shump so quickly getting nothing in return..He was just buying time...
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3/20/2015  5:11 PM
crzymdups wrote:
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
mreinman wrote:

well ... I was being a bit extreme for effect.

hey, I'm on board. Westbrook would never be available via trade anyway - not until his knees start to go bad. (I've actually predicted for a few years that Russ will be a Knick in 2019 when he's 30 and his knees start to go.) I tend to be of the belief that trading for guys is not the way to go and if a guy is available via trade it's because there is a problem developing with that player or the player is overrated. Sometimes a guy just needs a change of scenery, but usually it doesn't tend to work. I wish they would just commit to drafting guys. The "problem" with the Knicks could be fixed with three or four good drafts in a row. Dolan, the idiot, keeps throwing good money after bad, trying to fix it all at once. It's been this way for 16 years. You'd think we'd learn.

as I've said.

I ain't interested in adoption, I want my own damn baby!

Yep.

I don't know why Dolan doesn't realize that fans would love to just draft D'Angelo Russell and watch him grow into a star over the course of five years.

Hell, even advertisers would love it.

Dolan is really dumb.

its like when I stopped caring about the yankees.

Steinbrenner was like Dolan. Trade away all of our kids / assets for old HasBeens.

Then he had the whole Howie Spira fiasco and was forced to stay away.

Stick Michael took over and changed the way we do things.

We one a bunch of rings with many of our own kids which was unbelievable.

Now they are back to the same old buy and die mentality and I know longer give a sh1t about the yankees. They kind of nauseate me.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/20/2015  5:16 PM
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
mreinman wrote:

well ... I was being a bit extreme for effect.

hey, I'm on board. Westbrook would never be available via trade anyway - not until his knees start to go bad. (I've actually predicted for a few years that Russ will be a Knick in 2019 when he's 30 and his knees start to go.) I tend to be of the belief that trading for guys is not the way to go and if a guy is available via trade it's because there is a problem developing with that player or the player is overrated. Sometimes a guy just needs a change of scenery, but usually it doesn't tend to work. I wish they would just commit to drafting guys. The "problem" with the Knicks could be fixed with three or four good drafts in a row. Dolan, the idiot, keeps throwing good money after bad, trying to fix it all at once. It's been this way for 16 years. You'd think we'd learn.

as I've said.

I ain't interested in adoption, I want my own damn baby!

Yep.

I don't know why Dolan doesn't realize that fans would love to just draft D'Angelo Russell and watch him grow into a star over the course of five years.

Hell, even advertisers would love it.

Dolan is really dumb.

its like when I stopped caring about the yankees.

Steinbrenner was like Dolan. Trade away all of our kids / assets for old HasBeens.

Then he had the whole Howie Spira fiasco and was forced to stay away.

Stick Michael took over and changed the way we do things.

We one a bunch of rings with many of our own kids which was unbelievable.

Now they are back to the same old buy and die mentality and I know longer give a sh1t about the yankees. They kind of nauseate me.

Who did the Yankee's trade away??

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3/20/2015  5:21 PM
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
mreinman wrote:

well ... I was being a bit extreme for effect.

hey, I'm on board. Westbrook would never be available via trade anyway - not until his knees start to go bad. (I've actually predicted for a few years that Russ will be a Knick in 2019 when he's 30 and his knees start to go.) I tend to be of the belief that trading for guys is not the way to go and if a guy is available via trade it's because there is a problem developing with that player or the player is overrated. Sometimes a guy just needs a change of scenery, but usually it doesn't tend to work. I wish they would just commit to drafting guys. The "problem" with the Knicks could be fixed with three or four good drafts in a row. Dolan, the idiot, keeps throwing good money after bad, trying to fix it all at once. It's been this way for 16 years. You'd think we'd learn.

as I've said.

I ain't interested in adoption, I want my own damn baby!

Yep.

I don't know why Dolan doesn't realize that fans would love to just draft D'Angelo Russell and watch him grow into a star over the course of five years.

Hell, even advertisers would love it.

Dolan is really dumb.

its like when I stopped caring about the yankees.

Steinbrenner was like Dolan. Trade away all of our kids / assets for old HasBeens.

Then he had the whole Howie Spira fiasco and was forced to stay away.

Stick Michael took over and changed the way we do things.

We one a bunch of rings with many of our own kids which was unbelievable.

Now they are back to the same old buy and die mentality and I know longer give a sh1t about the yankees. They kind of nauseate me.

Who did the Yankee's trade away??

well ... not exactly giving up the kids like they did before but bringing in the juicers for big stupid money and fewer home growns.

Jeter
Posada
Mariano
Petite
Bernie

That is home grown and it makes you feel like its our team that we grew.

Arod has cursed them.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/20/2015  5:47 PM
The only time in Knicks history we were any good was based on drafting Willis Reed Walt Frazier Bill Bradley and Patrick Ewing. Thats been it for 50 FIFTY years. Only success is through the draft that was the basis for success nothing else has done it.
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3/20/2015  6:11 PM
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
mreinman wrote:

well ... I was being a bit extreme for effect.

hey, I'm on board. Westbrook would never be available via trade anyway - not until his knees start to go bad. (I've actually predicted for a few years that Russ will be a Knick in 2019 when he's 30 and his knees start to go.) I tend to be of the belief that trading for guys is not the way to go and if a guy is available via trade it's because there is a problem developing with that player or the player is overrated. Sometimes a guy just needs a change of scenery, but usually it doesn't tend to work. I wish they would just commit to drafting guys. The "problem" with the Knicks could be fixed with three or four good drafts in a row. Dolan, the idiot, keeps throwing good money after bad, trying to fix it all at once. It's been this way for 16 years. You'd think we'd learn.

as I've said.

I ain't interested in adoption, I want my own damn baby!

Yep.

I don't know why Dolan doesn't realize that fans would love to just draft D'Angelo Russell and watch him grow into a star over the course of five years.

Hell, even advertisers would love it.

Dolan is really dumb.

its like when I stopped caring about the yankees.

Steinbrenner was like Dolan. Trade away all of our kids / assets for old HasBeens.

Then he had the whole Howie Spira fiasco and was forced to stay away.

Stick Michael took over and changed the way we do things.

We one a bunch of rings with many of our own kids which was unbelievable.

Now they are back to the same old buy and die mentality and I know longer give a sh1t about the yankees. They kind of nauseate me.

The Yankees moves have been nauseating since 2009

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3/20/2015  11:39 PM
Just reading about kids surgeries and his Jones fracture. To get to a quick explanation of what he has and what he is going through. KD is damaged goods for the rest of his career. For the MDS to insert a screw have it fail and redo survey to insert new screw and now he is having a third reaction. He is screwed I would not be surprised from what I read if KD is never the same player if he can get through this for any extended period of time at all.
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3/20/2015  11:50 PM
If this trade happens without trading Melo and it doesn't work at all then I might just consider ditching this team.
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3/20/2015  11:51 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Just reading about kids surgeries and his Jones fracture. To get to a quick explanation of what he has and what he is going through. KD is damaged goods for the rest of his career. For the MDS to insert a screw have it fail and redo survey to insert new screw and now he is having a third reaction. He is screwed I would not be surprised from what I read if KD is never the same player if he can get through this for any extended period of time at all.

Yeah. Presti made it sound like he s gone for the rest of the season. Knicks need to Make and keep their pick. If Durant is coming t ny hopefully it is in 2016 but it is starting sound like that might not be a good move.
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3/20/2015  11:59 PM
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BRIGGS wrote:Just reading about kids surgeries and his Jones fracture. To get to a quick explanation of what he has and what he is going through. KD is damaged goods for the rest of his career. For the MDS to insert a screw have it fail and redo survey to insert new screw and now he is having a third reaction. He is screwed I would not be surprised from what I read if KD is never the same player if he can get through this for any extended period of time at all.

Yeah. Presti made it sound like he s gone for the rest of the season. Knicks need to Make and keep their pick. If Durant is coming t ny hopefully it is in 2016 but it is starting sound like that might not be a good move.

It k Durant has any chance to be healthy he may need to take next year off. Right now he is looking at a third corrective surgery on the same foot in 3 months. My guess is they need the inflammation to come down and then figure out if they need a new approach to repair the foot. For the surgery to fail twice is quite serious. Right now he has foot that is not able to be repaired by the standard surgery for his condition. very bad news for kd

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3/21/2015  4:04 AM
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
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GustavBahler wrote:If OKC were willing to trade a former MVP and multiple scoring champion, you have to wonder what they know that we don't? Sure as hell wouldn't trust the Knicks medical staff to make that determination. Westbrook might be taking it to another level but you need more than one star to win. They have plenty of bigs, they have the best PG in the game right now. As much as it would be great to have a healthy Durant playing in NY, I would be mighty suspicious if OKC was willing to trade Durant for the number one pick, if we got it.

Without question--this is a franchise that has a lot in place right now even without Durant. They have already proven they will deal stars but this is a case where we want to steer clear of. Its very much like acquiring Carmelo. If Melo anted to play here bad enough--Wilson Chandler Gallinari Mosgov and 3 number 1 picks would have stayed here and we wouldnt be in this mess. We trade away picks like a drunk downing whiskey shots. We don't even know if Melo will be healthy or can sustain health. We do not have 1 frontocurt player under contract next year we dont have a PG under contract next year--our 2nd biggest contract belongs to a player who is without a doubt done or very close to done. To take a step further the team we have now--as is--lost to Minnesota last night on the B-B while using 7 players at home. Any NBA team cant be another at home--thats proven. We had a great night SA went up +13 and stopped playing. But when we take it down to a realistic level--this is a skeleton tam with its star played coming off major league knee surgery. We have o OTHER than our high draft pick and cap space.

We gave up a lot to get Melo but mgmt also made some bad decisions when it came to surrounding him with talent. Like giving JR another deal, the first round pick for Bargs, bringing back Felton.

Tyson / Billups Amnesty / TD Smooth-Starter?

I don't believe there was much of a market for Tyson after the last couple of seasons, but yeah the Billups amnesty hurt us as well.

I mean two simple but idiotic moves above all else. Just think where we are if
1) We Amnesty Amare instead of Billups. Billups had 1 year left on a TO and WE PICKED UP THAT OPTION. So we picked up a team option for $15mm or whatever fatness it was, then used the amnesty on him. Can you give an example of greater idiocy?
2) No Bargs trade

People mistaken me for Melo's biggest fan. I just dont quite get when you look at the moves this org has made last few years how Melo jumps out as the big mistake.

I have been saying this forever.

Those two moves were the worst. Now people are seeing how bad not saving that amnesty for Amare was. In the beginning, people just laughed at me for stating it.

The Bargs move ... just another perfect example of how important it is to at least know about what the advanced stats say.

The Melo trade was not a bad one (aside from Mozgov who broke my heart), it was the follow up moves and his stupid new contract that were/are horrible.

And just like with Rondo, the eye test also said this was a horrific trade at the time- I do not remember much enthusiasm for this trade at the time, most people felt it was a return to IT style trading. I tried to console myself with the salary cleared (Camby and Novak- but even that was futile as they moved Novak for much less) and the idea maybe Bargs could be better than Novak, but he couldn't even manage that. Most people were pissed off with that trade and they didn't need metrics to tell them that.

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3/21/2015  4:16 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Just reading about kids surgeries and his Jones fracture. To get to a quick explanation of what he has and what he is going through. KD is damaged goods for the rest of his career. For the MDS to insert a screw have it fail and redo survey to insert new screw and now he is having a third reaction. He is screwed I would not be surprised from what I read if KD is never the same player if he can get through this for any extended period of time at all.

I think we're much more likely to trade our pick for Embiid and a lower 76ers 1st than trading for KD, and I am against it for much the same reasons- Embiid also having set backs and complications with his foot.

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3/21/2015  9:58 AM
Durant is a great player but I wouldn't trade this years draft pick for him.

Durant biggest advantage is he is a 7ft small forward. In a few years, when he has to start playing the power forward because he can't keep up with the younger players anymore, he is going to get beat up.

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3/21/2015  10:46 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/21/2015  10:46 AM
I guess DURANT will be out very own Grant Hill/ Penny Hardaway yay

I bet Hahn still wants him for our lottery pick

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3/21/2015  1:33 PM
gunsnewing wrote:I guess DURANT will be out very own Grant Hill/ Penny Hardaway yay

I bet Hahn still wants him for our lottery pick

My dream is we trade for Durant & Embiid, then sign Wes Mathews

Hopefully the new cba will have a clause in it whereby every player with a career threatening injury is automatically traded to the knicks.

Alan Hahn was trying to lay the foundation yesterday for the Knicks trading the overall pick #1 for KD

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