Splat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:... what is a one year nominal contract with a team option for 2 do? ... Does he have some kind of plague that you're not disclosing? ....

Briggs, you and a few others seem to g a pretty key basketball point here.

The role Bargs is playing now is not the role he will be tasked if the Knicks resign him. It's easy to get "yours" when you are the only real veteran on the floor and the rest of the team is actually playing some semblance of team ball and the roster doesn't have STAT, JR Smith or Shump on it. Also Melo is on the shelf. And Calderon is sort of limping in and out of the lineup.

Plenty of fringe NBA players can fill up the stat sheet if you give them the green light, make them the primary offensive option and keep feeding them. The reason why lots of these guys don't stay in the league is many CANNOT FILL A MORE LIMITED ROLE WITH ACTUAL EFFICIENCY.

It's one thing to pour in 20 points when you are burning at 35 minutes a game.

However, it's another story to get 10-12 minutes a game and give you 10 points.

Bargs

1) Is not a starter you can win with in any fashion. He isn't dominant in any one area, he is a defensive liability, he can't create his own shot

2) Is not a reserve who can operate in limited minutes efficiently ( This is where nixluva's "Well he just need to get more shots to get his rhythm going" crap should get thrown in his face)

3) He is injury prone. The caveat "Well if he's healthy" is asking a player to be something that his recent record has shown he's not. Which is reliable and healthy.

4) He has no long term future for the team. But an UDFA or a 2nd rounder ( if the Knicks buy one) might.

5) He's a poor fit with the projected carryover roster. Melo is a lousy defender. Calderon is a lousy defender. Do you want to add yet another lousy defender into that mix? Briggs talks about winning games, but Briggs never talks about defense. Well except to sell the board on some shot in the dark rookie draft prospect. Bargs is also a PF, which is Melo's position. Crazy idea. Spend money at the wing and pivot instead of keep spending at point guard and PF ( which Briggs seems to want to do) You can find cheaper/low cost help at PG and PF in the league, finding that at the pivot and wing is extremely difficult.

The Bargs you see now will not be the Bargs you see next year with 10 minutes a game. You can't just look at a player when he's the first or 2nd offensive option, you have to see how he'd project as the 4th and how he'd adjust to that role. I think another issue is Bargs isn't creating mismatches, the other teams just don't care. Take as many long twos as you like, there you go, have at it, we will take away something else that we deem more critical.

Or did none of us here see opposing NFL teams over stuff the run on the Jets and dare Mark Sanchez to beat them through the air?

The defense, by practicality, has to give you something. It can't be everywhere. Sometimes the defense picks it's own poison, giving you something inefficient so it can take other things away from you.

Langston Galloway will make like 845K next year. He would never have had the chance if the prevailing theory is Shump or JR Smith is the best we can get and the best we can do period. If them, then nothing.

I'm not saying some rookie big will have the Galloway impact, but you will never know unless you give them that chance.

I would not bring Bargs back as a 10 minute player and what kind of NBA impact do you think Langston Galloway has had? He's a frnge NBA d league player he's had no NBA impact other than he might stick as a back up. I know bargs can get me 20 points. Why am I debating stupidity? Bargs at 4 mmis a good deal. If Langston Galloway is not on this roster there are 50 guys who can do what he does. There are barely any people on this earth who can score 20 points in the NBA post on a regular basis

Calling Triple's points stupidity makes you look silly. He laid out a compelling case for why Bargs would not be in a situation that supports him being a 20 PPG player when Melo is back, not to mention the poor roster mix with a continued porous defense. And you called him stupid. Lame

dude ... I am really glad that you're back

BRIGGS wrote: When someone is telling me that Langston Galloway is an NBA impact player I just shouldn't reply. I'll just say that I hope Phil has an open mind but I will not be surprised when bargs is on the spurs and we sign Steve novak

If that is your inference from Triple's post then your synapses are not firing at optimal levels today, because that is not what they said. I wanted a good old fashioned dust-up and you brought your pea shooter to a gun fight.

BRIGGS wrote:

Splat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:... what is a one year nominal contract with a team option for 2 do? ... Does he have some kind of plague that you're not disclosing? ....

Briggs, you and a few others seem to g a pretty key basketball point here.

The role Bargs is playing now is not the role he will be tasked if the Knicks resign him. It's easy to get "yours" when you are the only real veteran on the floor and the rest of the team is actually playing some semblance of team ball and the roster doesn't have STAT, JR Smith or Shump on it. Also Melo is on the shelf. And Calderon is sort of limping in and out of the lineup.

Plenty of fringe NBA players can fill up the stat sheet if you give them the green light, make them the primary offensive option and keep feeding them. The reason why lots of these guys don't stay in the league is many CANNOT FILL A MORE LIMITED ROLE WITH ACTUAL EFFICIENCY.

It's one thing to pour in 20 points when you are burning at 35 minutes a game.

However, it's another story to get 10-12 minutes a game and give you 10 points.

Bargs

1) Is not a starter you can win with in any fashion. He isn't dominant in any one area, he is a defensive liability, he can't create his own shot

2) Is not a reserve who can operate in limited minutes efficiently ( This is where nixluva's "Well he just need to get more shots to get his rhythm going" crap should get thrown in his face)

3) He is injury prone. The caveat "Well if he's healthy" is asking a player to be something that his recent record has shown he's not. Which is reliable and healthy.

4) He has no long term future for the team. But an UDFA or a 2nd rounder ( if the Knicks buy one) might.

5) He's a poor fit with the projected carryover roster. Melo is a lousy defender. Calderon is a lousy defender. Do you want to add yet another lousy defender into that mix? Briggs talks about winning games, but Briggs never talks about defense. Well except to sell the board on some shot in the dark rookie draft prospect. Bargs is also a PF, which is Melo's position. Crazy idea. Spend money at the wing and pivot instead of keep spending at point guard and PF ( which Briggs seems to want to do) You can find cheaper/low cost help at PG and PF in the league, finding that at the pivot and wing is extremely difficult.

The Bargs you see now will not be the Bargs you see next year with 10 minutes a game. You can't just look at a player when he's the first or 2nd offensive option, you have to see how he'd project as the 4th and how he'd adjust to that role. I think another issue is Bargs isn't creating mismatches, the other teams just don't care. Take as many long twos as you like, there you go, have at it, we will take away something else that we deem more critical.

Or did none of us here see opposing NFL teams over stuff the run on the Jets and dare Mark Sanchez to beat them through the air?

The defense, by practicality, has to give you something. It can't be everywhere. Sometimes the defense picks it's own poison, giving you something inefficient so it can take other things away from you.

Langston Galloway will make like 845K next year. He would never have had the chance if the prevailing theory is Shump or JR Smith is the best we can get and the best we can do period. If them, then nothing.

I'm not saying some rookie big will have the Galloway impact, but you will never know unless you give them that chance.

I would not bring Bargs back as a 10 minute player and what kind of NBA impact do you think Langston Galloway has had? He's a frnge NBA d league player he's had no NBA impact other than he might stick as a back up. I know bargs can get me 20 points. Why am I debating stupidity? Bargs at 4 mmis a good deal. If Langston Galloway is not on this roster there are 50 guys who can do what he does. There are barely any people on this earth who can score 20 points in the NBA post on a regular basis

Calling Triple's points stupidity makes you look silly. He laid out a compelling case for why Bargs would not be in a situation that supports him being a 20 PPG player when Melo is back, not to mention the poor roster mix with a continued porous defense. And you called him stupid. Lame

When someone is telling me that Langston Galloway is an NBA impact player I just shouldn't reply. I'll just say that I hope Phil has an open mind but I will not be surprised when bargs is on the spurs and we sign Steve novak

Briggs I think you look at pts too much and exaggerates a players impact. Galloway is not a good scorer yet but he does rebounds, play d, and has a fantastic ast/to ratio. Also, he does his damage on D without a rim protector behind him. He is putting up some serious numbers as a rookie.

Meanwhile, Brags has a good game scoring here and there. He'll even look good defensively occasionally. Its funny how e looks good against Hibbert and Howard, two of the worst post players, then yes hyped up. Bargs is an injury prone if who gives up more than he scores and doesn't rebound or pass that well. He is a gifted athlete that has tools to e an elite big man. The problem is that most of those tools are rusty and some of them have never been used. He has not respected his craft enough to be a quality player.

All he is doing is going hard to sucker someone into throwing more than the vet in at him

Splat wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:All he is doing is going hard to sucker someone into throwing more than the vet in at him

Yep. Bargs right now is the perennial procrastinating underachiever pulling an all-nighter to write a paper they had all semester to produce in the hopes they can get a B or C instead of being bounced from school.

Only naive people base their assessments on the behavior of con men in their 11th hour on the gallows pole.

Good points, but you can't deny he has the skill set for this system. If he can play 50 to 60 games, get couple of dirty work guys around him, he's worth a non guaranteed contract. In this NBA business you get paid 2 ways, potential, and what you already accomplished.

knicks1248 wrote:

Splat wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:All he is doing is going hard to sucker someone into throwing more than the vet in at him

Yep. Bargs right now is the perennial procrastinating underachiever pulling an all-nighter to write a paper they had all semester to produce in the hopes they can get a B or C instead of being bounced from school.

Only naive people base their assessments on the behavior of con men in their 11th hour on the gallows pole.

Good points, but you can't deny he has the skill set for this system. If he can play 50 to 60 games, get couple of dirty work guys around him, he's worth a non guaranteed contract. In this NBA business you get paid 2 ways, potential, and what you already accomplished.

Yes, but..... he's a con man. He doesn't even like being a professional basketball player. He just likes the money. Hustlers always hustle those they already hustled and Bargs knows he is in the heartland of dumb ownership where champagne dreams and caviar contracts are awarded to even the least deserving schmucks.

nixluva wrote:Bargs has had a rough 3 year 9 year stretch and it creates a bad impression of what his talent level really is.

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knicks1248 wrote:

Splat wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:All he is doing is going hard to sucker someone into throwing more than the vet in at him

Yep. Bargs right now is the perennial procrastinating underachiever pulling an all-nighter to write a paper they had all semester to produce in the hopes they can get a B or C instead of being bounced from school.

Only naive people base their assessments on the behavior of con men in their 11th hour on the gallows pole.

Good points, but you can't deny he has the skill set for this system. If he can play 50 to 60 games, get couple of dirty work guys around him, he's worth a non guaranteed contract. In this NBA business you get paid 2 ways, potential, and what you already accomplished.

Exactly and why he is a vet min player.

markvmc wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Bargs has had a rough 3 year 9 year stretch and it creates a bad a completely accurate impression of what his talent level really is.

fixed

more fixed.

TripleThreat wrote:
There is some girl on a high school basketball team who plays without her glasses and can't really see, can only go right handed and has sort of a limp that could drop 30 a night on that sieve of a defense.

OMIGOD! Who is she? We've got to sign her before Riley snags her!

nixluva wrote:Bargs is only 29, turns 30 10/26. He hasn't had any knee surgeries. He's a 7'er with skills that fit. Only makes sense to consider him as an option. We'll be bringing in other bigs so it's not like he'd be the only big man on the roster. He'd give the team more flexibility as well. His ability to score from different spots helps a lot. All the lame ass jokes in the world won't help the argument against him.

Weak rebounding from a 7 footer, little to zero passing ability and overall poor defense "fits"? besides what makes you think he'd accept a one year deal? CAA wont fall for it.