Glen Robinson III SG 21 MIN TBD $507,336 RFA
John Jenkins SG 23 ATL TBD $1,312,920 UFA
Ian Clark SG 23 UTH TBD $816,482 RFA
Austin Rivers SG 24 LAC TBD $2,439,840 UFA
Will Barton SG 24 POR TBD $915,243 RFA
Jeff Taylor SG 25 CHA TBD $915,243 RFA
Kyle Singler SG 26 DET TBD $1,090,000 UFA
Nick Calathes SG 26 MEM TBD $816,482 RFA
Marcus Thornton SG 27 BOS TBD $8,575,000 UFA
Danny Green SG 27 SAS TBD $4,025,000 UFA
Donald Sloan SG 27 IND TBD $948,163 UFA
Wayne Ellington SG 27 LAL TBD $915,243 UFA
Wesley Matthews SG 28 POR TBD $7,245,640 UFA
Marco Belinelli SG 28 SAS TBD $2,873,750 UFA

yellowboy90 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Give me Cory Joseph over Reggie J.

I'd like Cory, he's on the list too. I'm just pointing out that Reggie is on the list of young PG's. It's not a long list. If we don't get a PG in the Draft then we will have to look for one in Free Agency. It's gonna be hard to pry some guys from their team since they're RFA's.

Shane Larkin	  PG	22	NYK	TBD	$1,606,080	UFA
Brandon Knight	  PG	23	MIL	TBD	$3,553,917	RFA
Cory Joseph	  PG	23	SAS	TBD	$2,023,261	RFA
Kendall Marshall  PG	23	MIL	TBD	$915,243	UFA
Reggie Jackson	  PG	24	OKC	TBD	$2,204,370	RFA
Matt Dellavedova  PG	24	CLE	TBD	$816,482	RFA
Darius Morris	  PG	24	BKN	TBD	$605,157	RFA
Jeremy Lin	  PG	26	LAL	TBD	$8,374,646	UFA
Alexey Shved	  PG	26	HOU	TBD	$3,282,056	RFA
Norris Cole	  PG	26	MIA	TBD	$2,038,206	RFA

I just think it's ridiculous to think that because a player isn't perfect that we won't consider them. You have to accept some flaws if the options are limited. I'd love Brandon Knight, but no way the Buck's let him go. I'm not sure how the spurs feel about Cory but my guess is that they put a lot of time into him and will look to retain him. What exactly would he be worth to the Knicks or Spurs? In the end it's gonna come down to who we can actually get.

That is an awful list. I would add Beverley to that list and take Knight off because of what you said. Joseph, Beverley, Jackson(=< $8m), and Lin($3M-$5M) are the only ones on that list I like. I even think Lin might can be had for less if the Knicks were open to bringing him back(doubt it). The rest of the Pgs are vet min guys. I hope the knicks over seas scouts are looking.

The list is all of the actual FA's available who are 26 and younger. It's not a list of my favorites just all the options. It should've included Patrick Beverley as well. Again he's a RFA and those guys may be VERY difficult to pry from their teams. I'm not sure how Houston feels about him but they know he has value and will try to extract something from us if we try to sign him.

When you actually look at the FA's that are available you are gonna see a lot of MEH! Only a few players are going to be worth going after. Then you have to trim that down to players who you would want but are actually gettable. That's a very short list and we won't be able to just turn down guys cuz they may not perfectly solve all of our needs. There will always be a degree of compromise. I mention Reggie Jackson because he has talent and he may be a player we can actually get. This isn't fantasy BB. Some of the players I like more may not be players we have a realistic chance of getting.

FistOfOakley wrote:the lower rungs at any position are always going to look very ugly.. they wouldn't be available if they weren't...

usually these guys get cycled through so it's important not to get desperate and starting throwing 3 year deals at guys like norris cole just because the market goes that way...

it would be best to just avoid it altogether and work the undrafted rookie, dleague or overseas market... there is much higher probability of finding a rotation guy there...

cory joseph is by far the most interesting name on that list as he's put up fantastic numbers in lowish minutes.. he could be one of those late bloomer types as he was pretty hyped as a high schooler...

the thing is that he's on the spurs and if they were high on him they probably wouldn't let him go... and the question remains if he would be good in a larger capacity outside the spur system...

i think he would be... but i wouldn't quite go midlevel money on him but maybe 3-4mm... probably won't be enough...

I understand why you would want to be safe like that but that want get him out of SA. I look at his development and compare it to Reggie Jackson, another back up, and see a player on a similar incline minute wise but just a year behind. The difference is that Joseph is improving his scoring ever year. You can really see how their games mirror the PGs ahead of them. Anyway, I think I would give Joseph similar money that Phx gave Dragic when he left Houston but it would have to have a team option. Basically a Lance Stephenson type deal but less money.

nixluva wrote:You guys are f'n funny. I'm the one who has been saying we could bring in Matthews or Danny Green. I know we need 3pt shooting but we also need guards that can break down a D and drive n kick or finish at the hole or draw fouls. It's not just one thing. Just cuz I mention one option doesn't mean he's all I'm looking at. Reggie would be an upgrade and give us something we don't have plus he's young. It would be great if we can draft Russell but I was talking about FA options. Like him or not Reggie is a top option.

While reggie maybe a good option cause he can finish around the rim, the one thing you are failing to realize. When our guards, (larkin, priggs, calderon, galloway) penetrate, they get all the way to the hole, hardly ever take the layup, they try to kick it out, but since most of our bigs are in mid range position, it doesn't leave a lot of space. They end up making a bad pass and turning the ball over.

Mike and Kobe became 2 of the best mid range shooters in the game playing in the triangle, especially Jordan. Those 2 guys were athletic freaks, long and lanky and extremely crafty, not to mention an IQ that was through the roof, so getting to the hole at will was never a problem, they either got fouled, or got a and 1.

A jump shooting guard who can't force there will in the paint like jordan, kobe, is just not that effective in the triangle.

Under MDA when a guard penetrates, 3 guys are set up behind the arc, so if one of their defenders tries to run and protect the paint, the ball gets swung around, and there's no way you can recover

In the triangle, there's only one player set up behind the arc, either in the corner, or the elbow, everybody else is below the 3 point line. phils championships were won on the defensive end, and having dominate players and a very very smart coach..thats not fisher, and there's no mike and kobe.

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:You guys are f'n funny. I'm the one who has been saying we could bring in Matthews or Danny Green. I know we need 3pt shooting but we also need guards that can break down a D and drive n kick or finish at the hole or draw fouls. It's not just one thing. Just cuz I mention one option doesn't mean he's all I'm looking at. Reggie would be an upgrade and give us something we don't have plus he's young. It would be great if we can draft Russell but I was talking about FA options. Like him or not Reggie is a top option.

While reggie maybe a good option cause he can finish around the rim, the one thing you are failing to realize. When our guards, (larkin, priggs, calderon, galloway) penetrate, they get all the way to the hole, hardly ever take the layup, they try to kick it out, but since most of our bigs are in mid range position, it doesn't leave a lot of space. They end up making a bad pass and turning the ball over.

Mike and Kobe became 2 of the best mid range shooters in the game playing in the triangle, especially Jordan. Those 2 guys were athletic freaks, long and lanky and extremely crafty, not to mention an IQ that was through the roof, so getting to the hole at will was never a problem, they either got fouled, or got a and 1.

A jump shooting guard who can't force there will in the paint like jordan, kobe, is just not that effective in the triangle.

Under MDA when a guard penetrates, 3 guys are set up behind the arc, so if one of their defenders tries to run and protect the paint, the ball gets swung around, and there's no way you can recover

In the triangle, there's only one player set up behind the arc, either in the corner, or the elbow, everybody else is below the 3 point line. phils championships were won on the defensive end, and having dominate players and a very very smart coach..thats not fisher, and there's no mike and kobe.

You're really only looking at a very negative set of possibilities. You're basing a lot of what you're saying on what is happening this year which is problematic since this isn't a very talented team.

Also the Triangle can be molded in multiple different directions. You're making assumptions based on Phil's past teams but it would be different depending on who is not the team. If we had Steph Curry the offense would be tweaked to run more stuff where he has the ball in the 2 man game which is pretty much what the Knicks do now. They run more Pinch Post than they do pure Strong Side Triangle. That's because we don't have a great Post Man who can operate out of that Triangle. They reverse the ball to the Pinch Post side a LOT. That's where Melo usually is.

Regarding 3's that's a matter of who you have on the floor too. You have your PG who usually is out at the 3pt line off the ball, the SG is also going to end up on the perimeter (THJ and LG), but you have to have a Stretch PF in order to have another guy pop out to the 3pt line and that's where we've seen Jason and Acy try to stretch their games. Bargs will also do this but he just started playing and it's not his strength anymore. My point is that you have to have a guy like Lamar Odoom who is confident out there. That's really the reason we aren't seeing more 3's.