F500ONE wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:So tiring reading the Negative Nancy Bitch Brigade spin everything towards Doom and Gloom.

Phil did some good and made some mistakes. Phil's most important decisions are ahead of him. Contrary to the negative spinners Phil turned the Tyson trade into some young prospects. Larkin, Early, Thanasis, Labeyrie and Acy. Then he added Galloway and Wear as prospects. We have our Pick and cap space. Phil has 4 Trade Exceptions. Only 4 guaranteed contracts for next year and we still haven't reached the Trade Deadline. We don't know how Phil will use his cap space in Free Agency but it's good to have money to spend.

The Knicks still have their 1st rd picks in 2015, 2017, 2018, 2019 etc. If Phil can manage to replenish the 2016 and get some 2nd rounders it will set things straight again. This team's future is unwritten but that doesn't mean it's doomed to failure.

so you-- our resident visionary-- believe that drafting-- and developing-- players over the course of carmelo anthony's remaining career here will yield some sort of consistent contender, or, form a team that has a puncher's chance of getting to, say... the conference finals in the next several seasons? that's putting a pretty big burden on carmelo anthony, to say the least: remaining healthy, changing his game to conform to the triangle, providing leadership, being the cornerstone....

anyway, relevance.... second round competitiveness (we haven't seen that yet), conference finals appearances (same), finals appearances (what are those?)... is that what you see being "written?"

Isn't the goal to become successful while creating something sustainable? Grunwald put together a roster that won 54 games but age and health issues derailed that. It seems like what Phil is trying to do is create something that will last more than a year or two. The Knicks have three rookies, two second year players, their first round pick and will have cap space and roster spots. It hasn't been pretty but if you asked me to make a list of guys that I thought needed to be moved out after last year Iman, JR, and Tyson would be at the top.

success and sustainability depend on culture change. i have yet to see culture change. in fact, getting rid of chandler-- admittedly a non-triangle player-- is not culture change, it smacks of pandering to dolan and melo.

a program, a system, requires players to execute it. even by getting rid of all the players who do not belong you are still left with one player who has NEVER conformed to any sort of structured offense. this "other level" that we were promised has not materialized. whose fault is that? let me guess: everyone else's but melo's, right?

Grunwald put together the aged team

Age and Health issues were always going to be the real winners there

Would have got bounced 1st round had Rondo been healthy

Let's look at the Dallas trade again as apparently nixluva was in a coma

- Sam Dalembert didn't make it to 40gms before he was waived

- Larkin's option at $1.7mil wasn't picked up

- Calderon missed 1/3 of season due to a calf strain and is currently being shopped heavily

- Thanasis is languishing in the D-League and his brother is putting Phil on stupid publicly about it

- Early got injured Early, gained back his health and got DNPd behind Lou and Lance

- Wayne Ellington traded to Kings along with Jeremy Tyler[a youngan you probably raved about] and a Top 37 protected 2015 2nd round pick

for Travis Outlaw and Quicny Acy - Travis Outlaw traded to Philly along with 2 2nd round picks so Wear could make the team

- Travis Wear gets unpredictable, spare, accidental, minutes all season

- Phil Hasn't used the exception from the trade to get pick[s] yet

This trade was an absolute monumental abomination disaster of epic proportions

He can easily be our 15th man on the bench next season IF Phil can put together a competent team. I certainly have my doubts on that.

knickscity wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:So tiring reading the Negative Nancy Bitch Brigade spin everything towards Doom and Gloom.

Phil did some good and made some mistakes. Phil's most important decisions are ahead of him. Contrary to the negative spinners Phil turned the Tyson trade into some young prospects. Larkin, Early, Thanasis, Labeyrie and Acy. Then he added Galloway and Wear as prospects. We have our Pick and cap space. Phil has 4 Trade Exceptions. Only 4 guaranteed contracts for next year and we still haven't reached the Trade Deadline. We don't know how Phil will use his cap space in Free Agency but it's good to have money to spend.

The Knicks still have their 1st rd picks in 2015, 2017, 2018, 2019 etc. If Phil can manage to replenish the 2016 and get some 2nd rounders it will set things straight again. This team's future is unwritten but that doesn't mean it's doomed to failure.

so you-- our resident visionary-- believe that drafting-- and developing-- players over the course of carmelo anthony's remaining career here will yield some sort of consistent contender, or, form a team that has a puncher's chance of getting to, say... the conference finals in the next several seasons? that's putting a pretty big burden on carmelo anthony, to say the least: remaining healthy, changing his game to conform to the triangle, providing leadership, being the cornerstone....

anyway, relevance.... second round competitiveness (we haven't seen that yet), conference finals appearances (same), finals appearances (what are those?)... is that what you see being "written?"

Isn't the goal to become successful while creating something sustainable? Grunwald put together a roster that won 54 games but age and health issues derailed that. It seems like what Phil is trying to do is create something that will last more than a year or two. The Knicks have three rookies, two second year players, their first round pick and will have cap space and roster spots. It hasn't been pretty but if you asked me to make a list of guys that I thought needed to be moved out after last year Iman, JR, and Tyson would be at the top.

success and sustainability depend on culture change. i have yet to see culture change. in fact, getting rid of chandler-- admittedly a non-triangle player-- is not culture change, it smacks of pandering to dolan and melo.

a program, a system, requires players to execute it. even by getting rid of all the players who do not belong you are still left with one player who has NEVER conformed to any sort of structured offense. this "other level" that we were promised has not materialized. whose fault is that? let me guess: everyone else's but melo's, right?

Grunwald put together the aged team

Age and Health issues were always going to be the real winners there

Would have got bounced 1st round had Rondo been healthy

Let's look at the Dallas trade again as apparently nixluva was in a coma

- Sam Dalembert didn't make it to 40gms before he was waived

- Larkin's option at $1.7mil wasn't picked up

- Calderon missed 1/3 of season due to a calf strain and is currently being shopped heavily

- Thanasis is languishing in the D-League and his brother is putting Phil on stupid publicly about it

- Early got injured Early, gained back his health and got DNPd behind Lou and Lance

- Wayne Ellington traded to Kings along with Jeremy Tyler[a youngan you probably raved about] and a Top 37 protected 2015 2nd round pick

for Travis Outlaw and Quicny Acy - Travis Outlaw traded to Philly along with 2 2nd round picks so Wear could make the team

- Travis Wear gets unpredictable, spare, accidental, minutes all season

- Phil Hasn't used the exception from the trade to get pick[s] yet

This trade was an absolute monumental abomination disaster of epic proportions

I agree with just about everything except that part on Thanasis. The young man isnt ready imo, and I wouldnt risk poisoning him with this awful squad of players.

He can easily be our 15th man on the bench next season IF Phil can put together a competent team. I certainly have my doubts on that.

You can't claim the trade a slam dunk or even remotely decent

When extenuating non relevant circumstances get in the way

Of calling a player acquired up to the big leagues

So my point on Thanasis sticks and it's gonna stay that way until further notice

Until he's on this team contributing to wins

He has actually no real value right none whatsoever

F500ONE wrote:

knickscity wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:So tiring reading the Negative Nancy Bitch Brigade spin everything towards Doom and Gloom.

Phil did some good and made some mistakes. Phil's most important decisions are ahead of him. Contrary to the negative spinners Phil turned the Tyson trade into some young prospects. Larkin, Early, Thanasis, Labeyrie and Acy. Then he added Galloway and Wear as prospects. We have our Pick and cap space. Phil has 4 Trade Exceptions. Only 4 guaranteed contracts for next year and we still haven't reached the Trade Deadline. We don't know how Phil will use his cap space in Free Agency but it's good to have money to spend.

The Knicks still have their 1st rd picks in 2015, 2017, 2018, 2019 etc. If Phil can manage to replenish the 2016 and get some 2nd rounders it will set things straight again. This team's future is unwritten but that doesn't mean it's doomed to failure.

so you-- our resident visionary-- believe that drafting-- and developing-- players over the course of carmelo anthony's remaining career here will yield some sort of consistent contender, or, form a team that has a puncher's chance of getting to, say... the conference finals in the next several seasons? that's putting a pretty big burden on carmelo anthony, to say the least: remaining healthy, changing his game to conform to the triangle, providing leadership, being the cornerstone....

anyway, relevance.... second round competitiveness (we haven't seen that yet), conference finals appearances (same), finals appearances (what are those?)... is that what you see being "written?"

Isn't the goal to become successful while creating something sustainable? Grunwald put together a roster that won 54 games but age and health issues derailed that. It seems like what Phil is trying to do is create something that will last more than a year or two. The Knicks have three rookies, two second year players, their first round pick and will have cap space and roster spots. It hasn't been pretty but if you asked me to make a list of guys that I thought needed to be moved out after last year Iman, JR, and Tyson would be at the top.

success and sustainability depend on culture change. i have yet to see culture change. in fact, getting rid of chandler-- admittedly a non-triangle player-- is not culture change, it smacks of pandering to dolan and melo.

a program, a system, requires players to execute it. even by getting rid of all the players who do not belong you are still left with one player who has NEVER conformed to any sort of structured offense. this "other level" that we were promised has not materialized. whose fault is that? let me guess: everyone else's but melo's, right?

Grunwald put together the aged team

Age and Health issues were always going to be the real winners there

Would have got bounced 1st round had Rondo been healthy

Let's look at the Dallas trade again as apparently nixluva was in a coma

- Sam Dalembert didn't make it to 40gms before he was waived

- Larkin's option at $1.7mil wasn't picked up

- Calderon missed 1/3 of season due to a calf strain and is currently being shopped heavily

- Thanasis is languishing in the D-League and his brother is putting Phil on stupid publicly about it

- Early got injured Early, gained back his health and got DNPd behind Lou and Lance

- Wayne Ellington traded to Kings along with Jeremy Tyler[a youngan you probably raved about] and a Top 37 protected 2015 2nd round pick

for Travis Outlaw and Quicny Acy - Travis Outlaw traded to Philly along with 2 2nd round picks so Wear could make the team

- Travis Wear gets unpredictable, spare, accidental, minutes all season

- Phil Hasn't used the exception from the trade to get pick[s] yet

This trade was an absolute monumental abomination disaster of epic proportions

I agree with just about everything except that part on Thanasis. The young man isnt ready imo, and I wouldnt risk poisoning him with this awful squad of players.

He can easily be our 15th man on the bench next season IF Phil can put together a competent team. I certainly have my doubts on that.

You can't claim the trade a slam dunk or even remotely decent

When extenuating non relevant circumstances get in the way

Of calling a player acquired up to the big leagues

So my point on Thanasis sticks and it's gonna stay that way until further notice

Until he's on this team contributing to wins

He has actually no real value right none whatsoever

As for Larkin if he finds a better deal good for him. Phil didn't want to commit and that's that. Bitchin about Wear's minutes is also a waste of time. Dude went from Undrafted to making the team. He's fine. Early, Thanasis n Acy are in the fold and being developed. Really no issues here either. This team has more important things to worry about going forward. We still haven't reached the trade deadline.

F500ONE wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:^^^You think Phil should give up a roster spot, a salary slot for a guy already working with Knick coaches so that the Knicks take from the Tyson trade looks better? Again, the Knicks can use that roster spot to try out other young guys and they will still have Thanasis.

Yes you waive Lou and or Lance

So we can look at Thanasis against NBA talent in the triangle

Heck we can even waive Pablo what would we be losing here

It has nothing to do with the Dallas trade for Thanasis and the Knicks

Development of young players, but if this is your admission

Thanasis just isn't that good well okay

KEEPCAMBYNY wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:^^^You think Phil should give up a roster spot, a salary slot for a guy already working with Knick coaches so that the Knicks take from the Tyson trade looks better? Again, the Knicks can use that roster spot to try out other young guys and they will still have Thanasis.

Yes you waive Lou and or Lance

So we can look at Thanasis against NBA talent in the triangle

Heck we can even waive Pablo what would we be losing here

It has nothing to do with the Dallas trade for Thanasis and the Knicks

Development of young players, but if this is your admission

Thanasis just isn't that good well okay

What makes you think Thanasis isn't developing in the development league? I don't see your side of this at all. Are you a fan of Thanasis or do you want him to fail so you can trash the trade more?

DING! DING! DING! You nailed it with that question, and the second part of that is exactly the answer. Even if Thanasis becomes a stud, they will switch to bashing Phil for not waiting until the summer to sign him so that we could keep him on a rookie contract longer.

Wrong I bumped a thread proving my stance

It's all there and Crush got the true answer

Back to whatever Cave you came out of

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:I dont believe Thanasis is ready for the NBA, thats why I prefer he stay in the d-league. His contract is an irrelevant point imo as is his relationship in the trade. The trade was awful no matter what comes out of Thanasis and early. But I do think the younger guys at this point should be getting ALL of the minutes.

Early should be player 30+ minutes per game.

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:I dont believe Thanasis is ready for the NBA, thats why I prefer he stay in the d-league. His contract is an irrelevant point imo as is his relationship in the trade. The trade was awful no matter what comes out of Thanasis and early. But I do think the younger guys at this point should be getting ALL of the minutes.

Early should be player 30+ minutes per game.

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:I dont believe Thanasis is ready for the NBA, thats why I prefer he stay in the d-league. His contract is an irrelevant point imo as is his relationship in the trade. The trade was awful no matter what comes out of Thanasis and early. But I do think the younger guys at this point should be getting ALL of the minutes.

Early should be player 30+ minutes per game.

Perhaps. the min allotment doesnt matter imo except that they soak it all up. No Lou Amundsons, or calderon playing in games down 30.

Calderon we have to play to build his trade value. I actually think that he did ok in london.

I think that Thanasis should stay in the D-League and shoot 1000 jumpers a day.

Would love to see Early but he got DNP!! WTF is that? Maybe he violated a team rule or something.

Wear looked good and he may be a keeper.

And, the more we play Timmy the more we/he kills his trade value.