mreinman wrote:I sure hope that Phil does not target LAldridge. Not would not be good.

I'm surprised you have such a firm view here since you place a lot of emphasis on win shares. His WS #s are similar to Melo's and his max salary would be way below Melo's. I think we'd only be able to give something like 4 years, $80 mil. His net and real plus minus #s are reasonably good too. I wouldn't love the deal by any means but I wouldn't view it as a disaster either. I'd probably give it a C+.

F500ONE wrote:

Uptown wrote:

dk7th wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Uptown wrote:

F500ONE wrote:Seems like holfresh still misapplied the term

In the case of

Phil "doesn't know" or "doesn't agree" with Aldridge wanting to come here

F5 to the rescue

Nice of you to come out of your cave

Please stick around for a while for a little while longer

yeah i was about to say he's about due for a slice and dice. but i expect <crickets> and <bullfrogs> but there's always a chance he'll present an opportunity to appear foolish like his 124 million dollar hero.

If by foolish you mean I'm optimistic that Phil can turn this franchise around, and I do not go on witch hunts searching for every pimple and wart on Pjax and Melo's ass, then foolish I am. If by foolish you mean my main purpose for posting on this board is not for "I told you so'" and "Gotcha" moments, then foolish I am.

Destroying Player Mancrushses produces Poster Crushes

To the point one feels I "Gotcha" identity//////

"What forum did you used to post on

Which Banned Garage are you playing in these days"

Total inability and eternally distracted staying on Topic

Aldridge is better at doing Aldridge than Melo doing Melo

Past several yrs but he should not, and will not be a target for us

We have no shot at him

No mancrushes for me...I just choose not to be all negative all the time with Melo. I've critiqued his game in the past, but find myself defending him from the likes of those who love to blame him for that ales the franchise, even when the thread title doesn't bear his name.

This is the only baskeball forum I've ever posted on...I do read a lot of Realgm posts but never signed up. So, no banned garages for me. Not my style of music.

I've never compared Melo to Aldridge, that's you and somebody else's argument. I am on record as saying Jimmy Butler would be my top FA target this summer. It's time we start targeting two-way players and with his youth and constant growth, he's the ideal get for us. If the Bulls sign him, its a shame for us, but then I would target Matthews or Lenard. I also think we have to wait and see how the draft shakes out before we really know who we need to target as well. If we miss out on one of the top 2 picks, I think targeted a FA big man becomes a top priority. If we are going to remain married to the Triangle, we absolutely have to have a Big or 2.

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:I sure hope that Phil does not target LAldridge. Not would not be good.

I'm surprised you have such a firm view here since you place a lot of emphasis on win shares. His WS #s are similar to Melo's and his max salary would be way below Melo's. I think we'd only be able to give something like 4 years, $80 mil. His net and real plus minus #s are reasonably good too. I wouldn't love the deal by any means but I wouldn't view it as a disaster either. I'd probably give it a C+.

Very good player though chucks a bit too much, especially mid range chucking.

At the super max, I would hope that we get cheaper pieces who fit better.

Kawaii, Draymond Green, Butler

Throw MAX at 2 of them, the ones that might not match, greatest possiblity would be Draymond Green

Then depending on our draft pick, see what our options are and if stretch Calderon if their are commitments made by 1-3 more FA's depending on price

mreinman wrote:

RonRon wrote:We need players that has the bit to do EVERYTHING and play VERY GOOD 1v1 and TEAM DEFENSE
We need players that are TOUGH, SMART, VERSATILE on both OFF and DEF, players that make everyone around them better

Kawaii, Draymond Green, Butler

Throw MAX at 2 of them, the ones that might not match, greatest possiblity would be Draymond Green

Then depending on our draft pick, see what our options are and if stretch Calderon if their are commitments made by 1-3 more FA's depending on price

Have not followed Green this year but last year he was ok.

How much would we need to pay him?

People are saying max. Even svg and Mjax were talking about it last week. He has intrigued me but his TS% has been dropping like a rock.

Also, I am torn between him and Tobias Harris. Draymond is the more all around player right now. Although, Harris is really improving his all around game. He is also younger at 22. Draymond developed in college what Tobias is trying to do now. This would be his rookie season if he stayed 4 yrs like Green. So when I consider that I see a player who does some of the thing Green does not at a lower level defensively but is scoring more efficiently on a higher usg.

You probably can't go wrong either way.

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

RonRon wrote:We need players that has the bit to do EVERYTHING and play VERY GOOD 1v1 and TEAM DEFENSE
We need players that are TOUGH, SMART, VERSATILE on both OFF and DEF, players that make everyone around them better

Kawaii, Draymond Green, Butler

Throw MAX at 2 of them, the ones that might not match, greatest possiblity would be Draymond Green

Then depending on our draft pick, see what our options are and if stretch Calderon if their are commitments made by 1-3 more FA's depending on price

Have not followed Green this year but last year he was ok.

How much would we need to pay him?

People are saying max. Even svg and Mjax were talking about it last week. He has intrigued me but his TS% has been dropping like a rock.

Also, I am torn between him and Tobias Harris. Draymond is the more all around player right now. Although, Harris is really improving his all around game. He is also younger at 22. Draymond developed in college what Tobias is trying to do now. This would be his rookie season if he stayed 4 yrs like Green. So when I consider that I see a player who does some of the thing Green does not at a lower level defensively but is scoring more efficiently on a higher usg.

You probably can't go wrong either way.

digging into his numbers, I stay far away from Dray Green. Maybe he will be ok but something seems a little shaky. His 3% is not good yet he shoots 4.5 per game, his FT is weak, his 2% is good. His WS48 is good but only this year ... Idk ...

he may be benefiting from being on a good team that hides his badness.

I will watch him closely the next month.

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

RonRon wrote:We need players that has the bit to do EVERYTHING and play VERY GOOD 1v1 and TEAM DEFENSE
We need players that are TOUGH, SMART, VERSATILE on both OFF and DEF, players that make everyone around them better

Kawaii, Draymond Green, Butler

Throw MAX at 2 of them, the ones that might not match, greatest possiblity would be Draymond Green

Then depending on our draft pick, see what our options are and if stretch Calderon if their are commitments made by 1-3 more FA's depending on price

Have not followed Green this year but last year he was ok.

How much would we need to pay him?

People are saying max. Even svg and Mjax were talking about it last week. He has intrigued me but his TS% has been dropping like a rock.

Also, I am torn between him and Tobias Harris. Draymond is the more all around player right now. Although, Harris is really improving his all around game. He is also younger at 22. Draymond developed in college what Tobias is trying to do now. This would be his rookie season if he stayed 4 yrs like Green. So when I consider that I see a player who does some of the thing Green does not at a lower level defensively but is scoring more efficiently on a higher usg.

You probably can't go wrong either way.

digging into his numbers, I stay far away from Dray Green. Maybe he will be ok but something seems a little shaky. His 3% is not good yet he shoots 4.5 per game, his FT is weak, his 2% is good. His WS48 is good but only this year ... Idk ...

he may be benefiting from being on a good team that hides his badness.

I will watch him closely the next month.

Yeah, that what bothered me about his game prior to this year. He does the other things a t a good level and since he started out great scoring wise it made me keep my eye on him. Regardless he is a good player but if he can't maintain a good TS% at such a low usg while surrounded by a great roster it raises a flag. It doesn't mean he is not a good player it just detracts from how much I think the knicks should give him.

At this price he remains a very valuable asset. If he gets the max I don't know. If his efficiency stays down then I wouldn't think anything against him getting Jeff Green or slight more money. I think he is a better player than him right now.

how much is his max?

His MAX would be about what Chandler Parsons is making, about 15m a year

Golden State's payroll is one of the highest in the league, so it is possible that they might not be able to match his contract without making trades to clear salary for him like Iggy/David Lee who are playing bench roles but are important

Curry
Thompson

Bogut
Lee
Iggy

Barnes

These guys all make a lot of money and Barnes eventually will want his as well
With the development of Holiday and Harrison Barnes, as a small market team and their payroll, they might not be able to match his contract

The reason why I want to target these players is because they are young and we want to be able to play with a philosophy that resembles their current teams
They are high IQ, high character, tough, all round/versatile, very good/defensive players, improving every year, and would change the culture and the way we play
These guys know how to play with the ball and off the ball, can mentor our young guys, and be part of our future for the next decade
We can offer them a 4 year deal with a player option for 4th, where they are still young and their LONG term money does not mean as much to them with the new CBA allowing them to make even more money
They can be the #1 , #2, #3's resepectively in NYK, if we can get the TOP overall 1-2 picks, we could have a bright future with the development of Thanasis and our younger players
There ability to defend multiple positions, lock down 1v1 abilities, create their own shot and create for others would have a great effect for our team
They can play inside and out, and would fit hide CA's weakness's while we would also learn how to move without the ball to be effective as a whole

Kawaii, Green, Butler

Even if we do not get them, by offering a max deal for them, we put these teams in a position to match them in 3 days like how Houston had to decide to offer a MAX for Bosh and keep Parsons or not
So if we can get 1 of these players, we then can see our options and see if we should target 1-2 more players or divide it up for multiple contracts in the range from 2m-5m to fill our roster