BRIGGS wrote:TripleThreat wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Most of these posts offer only negativity with zero content on how to improve the team. Some of them are like book report size but still say nothing. If there is no content on how to fix the Knicks the post is just a bunch of words put together that equal zero.
I don't think that's true at all. I think many people have offered up ways to improve the team, but again, if it doesn't fit your narrative of what you believe/think/feel about the Knicks, then you seem to walk on by them. Also I think you need to make a distinction between negativity ( some people are shifting past basketball issues at times to be fair) and when some people simply shut down your ideas/scenarios.
I don't think it's very complicated. Many fans want Phil Jackson to establish a front office legacy situation where he can hand off the team to nice young talented front office type who can offer the Knicks stability and excellence for 10-15-20-25 years. Many fans want the Knicks to stop dumping their draft picks and stop taking in bad contracts for quick fix attempts. Many fans believe a true rebuild for long lasting success will take time, and that the Knicks may miss on some picks and players, but if they hold the course, over time, that good things can happen. Many fans believe you can build through the draft, that it is the primary way to get better and that is simply a process that takes time, NBA history has shown this again and again and again.
You want to say, draft this guy and sign this guy and do this and do that, as if all those ducks will absolutely line up in a row.
Lots of Knicks fans just want to say, Let's see where we are at draft time when the dust has settled, we know where we are picking, the NCAA tournament is over and we have a better picture of the draft landscape, then we just take the best player available given the information known at the given time and place and hope for the best.
Would it be nice to get Okafor? Sure. Is it absolute? No. But somehow you treat it as almost absolute. Is it negative to tell you that odds are that the Knicks won't get Okafor? Well I've been saying it to you for months, you don't seem to care.
"Fixing" the Knicks will need something that Dolan and many fans haven't done before - Be patient. See and understand that it could take years, even some hard years to start, and that building assets takes time, developing players takes time and shortcuts don't help you. The "shortcut" approach you advocate is what makes a GM be forced by his owner to surround Anthony Davis as fast as possible with help to try to contend instead of just building slowly and surely. Or Dan Gilbert demanding the Deng and Hawes trade, which didn't move the needle for Cleveland but sapped them of assets they could have used to get a pivot they need now.
Fixing the team means patience. Taking the time to build. Nothing you suggest implies you have this patience. You want a mythical two year reload that essentially violates current market values and principles and tosses out any notion of the non Knicks GM and front office's sense of self preservation.
Mine the 2nd round. Dig hard with UDFA. Bolster the front office with analytics experts. Rearm the medical staff. Expand international scouting. Look for hidden values on stocked rosters.
Plenty of ideas to improve the Knicks are mentioned all the time, they just don't move your needle because they aren't short cut induced trade rape scenarios you like to push so much.
Well when you give me a list of players you like from FA to the draft maybe a few prospects to keep in mind in case we pick up a late 1 or some 2's etc.. maybe a few opportunisic players we could swipe off of someone bench. Unless you can put names in there and explain why they might fit--this is the same negative diatribe as the last 30 that has the same story with no true meaning to it. And not trying to break your cahones--but too many people saying dont do this that you cant do that this--but they seem to not have any plan of their own that includes names.
Oh God Briggs, you are so FOS. The guy gave you a thoughtful reply and all you can do is shovel a load of bullcrap back at him. You get off easy with some here because you get labeled as a diligent, dedicated Knicks fan because you are constantly churning out proposals. That's enough to blind some to the reality as Triple puts it it that it is mostly trade rape scenarios. Those scenarios are your opiate to avoid dealing with reality.
Triple just laid out to you why some people are fed up and he is 100% right about this: If other peoples' version of the truth don't line up with yours, you dodge and obsfucate. You really can't handle the truth that this franchise is fukked until they take a better approach. In the end, you are just another apologist for a broken regime and you spend most of your time in fantasyland trying to concoct band-aid fixes that won't work.
Sorry, I'm being harsh, but no harsher than you were to Triple who treated you nicely while being in total disagreement with you.
Your complaint that those you disagree with are merely engaged in negative diatribes is full-on baby talk BS. Get a clue. The situation is negative. Realists call it for what they see it. Deal with it or not, but drop the phoney baloney labels if you can't deal with it.
Otherwise, you just become another palace rat who licks the corrupt king's feet. If you love your Knicks kingdom so much and your only defense is this kind of childish logic, then you're on the same level as Fishmike and Jrod. I thought you were functioning on a more sophisticated level, but in reality you're just smoke and mirrors with your trade proposals, but in your heart you seem to be just as recalcitrant to change and bent out of shape at those who agitate for it. Pointing fingers and stomping your feet at threads and calling them negative without anything more substantive to say is beyond lame.
Triple doesn't owe you a list of names. Are you nuts? That's your way of coping. You don't get to tell people how to frame the debate. So don't try and shut people down because they don't engage in your trade fantasies.
I'm fine with your trade ideas. I never said you shouldn't do them. Yes, I think it is your way of killing time and pretty much a waste of time, but I'm cool with it if it makes you content to do so. But knock off the BS responses and pretend you're claiming higher ground. Negativity in your eyes is like harsh medicine in others' eyes. It is necessary to get better. Deal with it or not, but don't play the I'm a better fan card which is what you're actually doing here. It is really offensive.
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