F500ONE wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:Deron was never in the mix. He might have been had melo gone to Jersey, but thats just now how the Lament/Blame game is played.
there are rules. one of which is to not make shyt up. Usually have at least "rumor" to fall back on! Then build off of that!

You know, as if you have a portal into their brains!

Donny said after, if he knew DWill was available, he would have went after him..At that point, Donny was out of the decision making role because Dolan was pursuing Melo..Donny and MDA didn't want Melo and wouldn't have dealt for him...If they were calling the shots, they would have certainly known DWill was available...

The Nets wanted to do a deal with the Nuggets for Anthony, too, and settled for the trade with the Jazz for Williams as a consolation prize. Only Donnie Walsh, the executive who acquired Anthony at James Dolan's urging, later beat himself up for not knowing Williams was on the market -- and for good reason.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/11838282/is-deron-williams-better-carmelo-anthony-was

MDA wanted to trade Melo for DWill after the fact and Dolan said no...

That's a reach if you judge the season in whole

So you're suggesting Dolan took over the team in February

While I agree Dolan stepped in to assure Melo arrived here

Walsh was shot calling all the way up to this point

He simply didn't do his job as well as he should have

SEASON 2010-11
March 1 2011
Signed forwards Jared Jeffries and Derrick Brown and waived forward Corey Brewer.
February 28 2011
Waived guard Kelenna Azubuike.
February 22 2011
Traded guard Raymond Felton, forwards Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler, center Timofey Mozgov, a future first-round pick, two future second-round picks, the right to exchange 2016 first-round picks and cash to the Denver Nuggets for forward Carmelo Anthony, guards Chauncey Billups and Anthony Carter, forward Renaldo Balkman and center Shelden Williams, then traded forward Anthony Randolph, center Eddy Curry and cash to the Minnesota Timberwolves for forward Corey Brewer.
February 5 2011
Named Mark Warkentien director of pro player personnel.
October 24 2010
Exercised the contract options on guard Toney Douglas and forwards Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph and waived forward Patrick Ewing Jr.
September 23 2010
Signed forward Shawne Williams.
August 27 2010
Signed guard Patrick Ewing Jr.
August 26 2010
Signed forward Landry Fields.
August 12 2010
Signed guard Andy Rautins.
August 10 2010
Signed guard Roger Mason.
August 6 2010
Named Isiah Thomas consultant.
July 13 2010
Signed center Timofey Mozgov.
July 10 2010
Signed guard Raymond Felton.
July 9 2010
Signed David Lee and traded him to the Golden State Warriors for guard Kelenna Azubuike, forwards Anthony Randolph and Ronny Turiaf and a 2010 second-round pick.
July 8 2010
Traded a trade exception and another consideration to the Phoenix Suns for forward Amare Stoudemire; traded cash to the Milwaukee Bucks for the draft rights to center Jerome Jordan.
Draft 2010
Selected guard Andy Rautins (38th overall pick) and forward Landry Fields (39th overall pick).

Billy King I believe played Walsh and Dolan

Driving the price for Melo up when they caught wind he didn't want to go there

Meanwhile he was backdooring working on a trade for D-Will

Not that it proved to be any remarkable payoff but masterful job of misdirection

Nope, I remember quite clearly at the time, Utah said they were waiting in the wings for Knicks and Nets to finishing driving up the price for Melo, and then planned to approach the loser and propose the same deal for DWill, which they did.

I read Billy King had been working on the deal, they used to work together he and Miller

Before they actually agreed and the deals weren't the same

Nets gave up Favors-Harris 2 1st round picks

Knicks gave up Gallo-Chandler-Mozgov-Randolph 2 1st round picks and 2 2nd round picks

CrushAlot wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:Deron was never in the mix. He might have been had melo gone to Jersey, but thats just now how the Lament/Blame game is played.
there are rules. one of which is to not make shyt up. Usually have at least "rumor" to fall back on! Then build off of that!

You know, as if you have a portal into their brains!

Donny said after, if he knew DWill was available, he would have went after him..At that point, Donny was out of the decision making role because Dolan was pursuing Melo..Donny and MDA didn't want Melo and wouldn't have dealt for him...If they were calling the shots, they would have certainly known DWill was available...

The Nets wanted to do a deal with the Nuggets for Anthony, too, and settled for the trade with the Jazz for Williams as a consolation prize. Only Donnie Walsh, the executive who acquired Anthony at James Dolan's urging, later beat himself up for not knowing Williams was on the market -- and for good reason.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/11838282/is-deron-williams-better-carmelo-anthony-was

MDA wanted to trade Melo for DWill after the fact and Dolan said no...

That's a reach if you judge the season in whole

So you're suggesting Dolan took over the team in February

While I agree Dolan stepped in to assure Melo arrived here

Walsh was shot calling all the way up to this point

He simply didn't do his job as well as he should have

SEASON 2010-11
March 1 2011
Signed forwards Jared Jeffries and Derrick Brown and waived forward Corey Brewer.
February 28 2011
Waived guard Kelenna Azubuike.
February 22 2011
Traded guard Raymond Felton, forwards Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler, center Timofey Mozgov, a future first-round pick, two future second-round picks, the right to exchange 2016 first-round picks and cash to the Denver Nuggets for forward Carmelo Anthony, guards Chauncey Billups and Anthony Carter, forward Renaldo Balkman and center Shelden Williams, then traded forward Anthony Randolph, center Eddy Curry and cash to the Minnesota Timberwolves for forward Corey Brewer.
February 5 2011
Named Mark Warkentien director of pro player personnel.
October 24 2010
Exercised the contract options on guard Toney Douglas and forwards Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph and waived forward Patrick Ewing Jr.
September 23 2010
Signed forward Shawne Williams.
August 27 2010
Signed guard Patrick Ewing Jr.
August 26 2010
Signed forward Landry Fields.
August 12 2010
Signed guard Andy Rautins.
August 10 2010
Signed guard Roger Mason.
August 6 2010
Named Isiah Thomas consultant.
July 13 2010
Signed center Timofey Mozgov.
July 10 2010
Signed guard Raymond Felton.
July 9 2010
Signed David Lee and traded him to the Golden State Warriors for guard Kelenna Azubuike, forwards Anthony Randolph and Ronny Turiaf and a 2010 second-round pick.
July 8 2010
Traded a trade exception and another consideration to the Phoenix Suns for forward Amare Stoudemire; traded cash to the Milwaukee Bucks for the draft rights to center Jerome Jordan.
Draft 2010
Selected guard Andy Rautins (38th overall pick) and forward Landry Fields (39th overall pick).

Billy King I believe played Walsh and Dolan

Driving the price for Melo up when they caught wind he didn't want to go there

Meanwhile he was backdooring working on a trade for D-Will

Not that it proved to be any remarkable payoff but masterful job of misdirection

Nope, I remember quite clearly at the time, Utah said they were waiting in the wings for Knicks and Nets to finishing driving up the price for Melo, and then planned to approach the loser and propose the same deal for DWill, which they did.

I read Billy King had been working on the deal, they used to work together he and Miller

Before they actually agreed and the deals weren't the same

Nets gave up Favors-Harris 2 1st round picks

Knicks gave up Gallo-Chandler-Mozgov-Randolph 2 1st round picks and 2 2nd round picks

One first round pick and the right to swap another.

When you don't have full control over your pick

Then sorry Crush no matter the spin here it's a pick given up

I lined up the trade they aren't the same even with your spin

F500ONE wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:Deron was never in the mix. He might have been had melo gone to Jersey, but thats just now how the Lament/Blame game is played.
there are rules. one of which is to not make shyt up. Usually have at least "rumor" to fall back on! Then build off of that!

You know, as if you have a portal into their brains!

Donny said after, if he knew DWill was available, he would have went after him..At that point, Donny was out of the decision making role because Dolan was pursuing Melo..Donny and MDA didn't want Melo and wouldn't have dealt for him...If they were calling the shots, they would have certainly known DWill was available...

The Nets wanted to do a deal with the Nuggets for Anthony, too, and settled for the trade with the Jazz for Williams as a consolation prize. Only Donnie Walsh, the executive who acquired Anthony at James Dolan's urging, later beat himself up for not knowing Williams was on the market -- and for good reason.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/11838282/is-deron-williams-better-carmelo-anthony-was

MDA wanted to trade Melo for DWill after the fact and Dolan said no...

That's a reach if you judge the season in whole

So you're suggesting Dolan took over the team in February

While I agree Dolan stepped in to assure Melo arrived here

Walsh was shot calling all the way up to this point

He simply didn't do his job as well as he should have

SEASON 2010-11
March 1 2011
Signed forwards Jared Jeffries and Derrick Brown and waived forward Corey Brewer.
February 28 2011
Waived guard Kelenna Azubuike.
February 22 2011
Traded guard Raymond Felton, forwards Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler, center Timofey Mozgov, a future first-round pick, two future second-round picks, the right to exchange 2016 first-round picks and cash to the Denver Nuggets for forward Carmelo Anthony, guards Chauncey Billups and Anthony Carter, forward Renaldo Balkman and center Shelden Williams, then traded forward Anthony Randolph, center Eddy Curry and cash to the Minnesota Timberwolves for forward Corey Brewer.
February 5 2011
Named Mark Warkentien director of pro player personnel.
October 24 2010
Exercised the contract options on guard Toney Douglas and forwards Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph and waived forward Patrick Ewing Jr.
September 23 2010
Signed forward Shawne Williams.
August 27 2010
Signed guard Patrick Ewing Jr.
August 26 2010
Signed forward Landry Fields.
August 12 2010
Signed guard Andy Rautins.
August 10 2010
Signed guard Roger Mason.
August 6 2010
Named Isiah Thomas consultant.
July 13 2010
Signed center Timofey Mozgov.
July 10 2010
Signed guard Raymond Felton.
July 9 2010
Signed David Lee and traded him to the Golden State Warriors for guard Kelenna Azubuike, forwards Anthony Randolph and Ronny Turiaf and a 2010 second-round pick.
July 8 2010
Traded a trade exception and another consideration to the Phoenix Suns for forward Amare Stoudemire; traded cash to the Milwaukee Bucks for the draft rights to center Jerome Jordan.
Draft 2010
Selected guard Andy Rautins (38th overall pick) and forward Landry Fields (39th overall pick).

Billy King I believe played Walsh and Dolan

Driving the price for Melo up when they caught wind he didn't want to go there

Meanwhile he was backdooring working on a trade for D-Will

Not that it proved to be any remarkable payoff but masterful job of misdirection

Nope, I remember quite clearly at the time, Utah said they were waiting in the wings for Knicks and Nets to finishing driving up the price for Melo, and then planned to approach the loser and propose the same deal for DWill, which they did.

I read Billy King had been working on the deal, they used to work together he and Miller

Before they actually agreed and the deals weren't the same

Nets gave up Favors-Harris 2 1st round picks

Knicks gave up Gallo-Chandler-Mozgov-Randolph 2 1st round picks and 2 2nd round picks

One first round pick and the right to swap another.

When you don't have full control over your pick

Then sorry Crush no matter the spin here it's a pick given up

I lined up the trade they aren't the same even with your spin

CrushAlot wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:Deron was never in the mix. He might have been had melo gone to Jersey, but thats just now how the Lament/Blame game is played.
there are rules. one of which is to not make shyt up. Usually have at least "rumor" to fall back on! Then build off of that!

You know, as if you have a portal into their brains!

Donny said after, if he knew DWill was available, he would have went after him..At that point, Donny was out of the decision making role because Dolan was pursuing Melo..Donny and MDA didn't want Melo and wouldn't have dealt for him...If they were calling the shots, they would have certainly known DWill was available...

The Nets wanted to do a deal with the Nuggets for Anthony, too, and settled for the trade with the Jazz for Williams as a consolation prize. Only Donnie Walsh, the executive who acquired Anthony at James Dolan's urging, later beat himself up for not knowing Williams was on the market -- and for good reason.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/11838282/is-deron-williams-better-carmelo-anthony-was

MDA wanted to trade Melo for DWill after the fact and Dolan said no...

That's a reach if you judge the season in whole

So you're suggesting Dolan took over the team in February

While I agree Dolan stepped in to assure Melo arrived here

Walsh was shot calling all the way up to this point

He simply didn't do his job as well as he should have

SEASON 2010-11
March 1 2011
Signed forwards Jared Jeffries and Derrick Brown and waived forward Corey Brewer.
February 28 2011
Waived guard Kelenna Azubuike.
February 22 2011
Traded guard Raymond Felton, forwards Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler, center Timofey Mozgov, a future first-round pick, two future second-round picks, the right to exchange 2016 first-round picks and cash to the Denver Nuggets for forward Carmelo Anthony, guards Chauncey Billups and Anthony Carter, forward Renaldo Balkman and center Shelden Williams, then traded forward Anthony Randolph, center Eddy Curry and cash to the Minnesota Timberwolves for forward Corey Brewer.
February 5 2011
Named Mark Warkentien director of pro player personnel.
October 24 2010
Exercised the contract options on guard Toney Douglas and forwards Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph and waived forward Patrick Ewing Jr.
September 23 2010
Signed forward Shawne Williams.
August 27 2010
Signed guard Patrick Ewing Jr.
August 26 2010
Signed forward Landry Fields.
August 12 2010
Signed guard Andy Rautins.
August 10 2010
Signed guard Roger Mason.
August 6 2010
Named Isiah Thomas consultant.
July 13 2010
Signed center Timofey Mozgov.
July 10 2010
Signed guard Raymond Felton.
July 9 2010
Signed David Lee and traded him to the Golden State Warriors for guard Kelenna Azubuike, forwards Anthony Randolph and Ronny Turiaf and a 2010 second-round pick.
July 8 2010
Traded a trade exception and another consideration to the Phoenix Suns for forward Amare Stoudemire; traded cash to the Milwaukee Bucks for the draft rights to center Jerome Jordan.
Draft 2010
Selected guard Andy Rautins (38th overall pick) and forward Landry Fields (39th overall pick).

Billy King I believe played Walsh and Dolan

Driving the price for Melo up when they caught wind he didn't want to go there

Meanwhile he was backdooring working on a trade for D-Will

Not that it proved to be any remarkable payoff but masterful job of misdirection

Nope, I remember quite clearly at the time, Utah said they were waiting in the wings for Knicks and Nets to finishing driving up the price for Melo, and then planned to approach the loser and propose the same deal for DWill, which they did.

I read Billy King had been working on the deal, they used to work together he and Miller

Before they actually agreed and the deals weren't the same

Nets gave up Favors-Harris 2 1st round picks

Knicks gave up Gallo-Chandler-Mozgov-Randolph 2 1st round picks and 2 2nd round picks

One first round pick and the right to swap another.

When you don't have full control over your pick

Then sorry Crush no matter the spin here it's a pick given up

I lined up the trade they aren't the same even with your spin

Really. I thought if you gave up a first round pick you wouldn't have one. How were the Knicks able to later trade this pick that they didn't have for Bargs? Makes the Bargs trade look better if they didn't actually trade a pick I guess.

When a team has "rights" to swap

Your control has diminished on the pick

Take for instance if the pick was 2015

Denver would swap with us[at the moment] because they have rights

And even with the 1st going to the Raptors as they now

Receive least favorable between us and Denver that Bargnani trade was still trashola

With all that said the trades weren't the same///// assets for D-Will assets for Melo

nixluva wrote:

Splat wrote:

nixluva wrote:Even after getting Melo the one chance we had was to resign Lin who they could've further developed as the PG this team needed. That would've been the smart economical way to do it. They should never have let Lin hit the open market. Sign to a cap friendly deal. Then they just needed to draft well and make smart FA pick ups.

This isn't to say Lin was an elite player but if they kept him he was capable of getting in the paint which we needed. He had the right style for how the team was set up.

The weirdest phenomenon has been Knicks fans who trash Lin when he was our best option for developing a combo guard who can both distribute, shoot and penetrate. Judging his consistency based on playing next to Harden and Kobe doesn't make much sense. No, he's not an all-star, but he was the ONLY player who ever showed the winner's gene on this club in the longest time and we let him go. If he was here, by now he could have developed chemistry with Melo (unless Melo is just pure trash and can't play with anyone) and we'd have a 2nd scoring option and some creative juice on the team. Lin is still a player to watch. People who write him off are out to lunch. He is very much needing the right situation to thrive again and it can happen.

That MDA based system we had even when we had Kidd would've worked even BETTER with Lin instead of Felton. It was clear that we needed a PG who could penetrate plus pass and score from 3. Management listened to Woody who didn't like Lin. That's why they didn't lock Lin up and sent him out on the market which made no sense if you believed in him as they said.

It's over now but Phil is gonna have to find an affordable PG that has the needed skills. Gotta be able to hit a 3 but also run a PnR and penetrate effectively. We don't have that right now as neither Jose, Prigs nor Larkin have penetration and ability to finish at the rim. Only THJ gets to the rim with regular success.

Right, Tim could develop as a penetrator and MAYBE be a solution at SG, but we'd still need the PG/penetrator we're talking about, someone who can dish on the way into the rim.

We can't retrofit Tim into a combo or PG. He's a very simple proposition. Develop him for offensive potential and try to drill him on the fundamentals so he can function in the other parts of the game without being a liability.

We get to see that play out now with JR and Shump out.

But we don't have crap in terms of intelligent penetration. Lin is a fairly cerebral player. We need more IQ badly.

gunsnewing wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Splat wrote:

nixluva wrote:Even after getting Melo the one chance we had was to resign Lin who they could've further developed as the PG this team needed. That would've been the smart economical way to do it. They should never have let Lin hit the open market. Sign to a cap friendly deal. Then they just needed to draft well and make smart FA pick ups.

This isn't to say Lin was an elite player but if they kept him he was capable of getting in the paint which we needed. He had the right style for how the team was set up.

The weirdest phenomenon has been Knicks fans who trash Lin when he was our best option for developing a combo guard who can both distribute, shoot and penetrate. Judging his consistency based on playing next to Harden and Kobe doesn't make much sense. No, he's not an all-star, but he was the ONLY player who ever showed the winner's gene on this club in the longest time and we let him go. If he was here, by now he could have developed chemistry with Melo (unless Melo is just pure trash and can't play with anyone) and we'd have a 2nd scoring option and some creative juice on the team. Lin is still a player to watch. People who write him off are out to lunch. He is very much needing the right situation to thrive again and it can happen.

That MDA based system we had even when we had Kidd would've worked even BETTER with Lin instead of Felton. It was clear that we needed a PG who could penetrate plus pass and score from 3. Management listened to Woody who didn't like Lin. That's why they didn't lock Lin up and sent him out on the market which made no sense if you believed in him as they said.

It's over now but Phil is gonna have to find an affordable PG that has the needed skills. Gotta be able to hit a 3 but also run a PnR and penetrate effectively. We don't have that right now as neither Jose, Prigs nor Larkin have penetration and ability to finish at the rim. Only THJ gets to the rim with regular success.

Very good points Nix. Just one thing I don't think Woodson did not like Lin. How could you dislike him as a coach when you witnessed what he is capable of. I think it's Melo who did not want to share the limelight with Lin. Melo & CAA suck their pitbulls on Lin using Stephen A Smith and espn radio as an avenue to discredit Lin. You know, its up to Lin to adapt to Melo. How dare fans suggest that MElo needs to adapt to the success of the team with Lin---SAS. "Players(melo)" were questioning Lin's heart not playing through injury--SAS Even though Lin was not ready to play according to the doctors original timeline.

He would've played had the knicks got out of the 1st round but they were owned by Miami.

It's funny how SAS went from praising Lin to bashing him literally over night once fans started saying Melo needed to adjust to the way the team was successfully playing.

Woodson had no choice but to stick by Melo even if it meant alienating Lin. He wanted to keep his head coaching job

It's no longer a where's there's smoke there's fire thing with Melo. He has to go overtime to prove now he is able to play with other people who take his shine. It has gotten to the point now where this whole scenario of attracting a quality FA is basically sabotaged by having a vain, non-cooperative player as your centerpiece.

It's clear to me that when people squawk about comments of Melo not wanting Lin that they cannot explain away the fact Melo actually bashed Lin during negotiations.

I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF ANOTHER NBA PLAYER CALLING A PLAYER'S CONTRACT DEMANDS RIDICULOUS DURING NEGOTIATIONS.

NEVER FUKKING EVER

Wow, and people have the balls to say Melo didn't sabotage Lin? They're stupid if they believe that. He did it. It's on the record.

Nobody really wants to say this, but the Knicks probably aren't building a contender during Melo's window here, especially if big-namely free agents stay where they are. They basically have to build a veteran team that maybe has a shot and that expires with Melo, then move on by collecting youth. Either that or spread the money for Dragic/Monroe and hope for the best.

Splat wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Splat wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Splat wrote:

nixluva wrote:Even after getting Melo the one chance we had was to resign Lin who they could've further developed as the PG this team needed. That would've been the smart economical way to do it. They should never have let Lin hit the open market. Sign to a cap friendly deal. Then they just needed to draft well and make smart FA pick ups.

This isn't to say Lin was an elite player but if they kept him he was capable of getting in the paint which we needed. He had the right style for how the team was set up.

The weirdest phenomenon has been Knicks fans who trash Lin when he was our best option for developing a combo guard who can both distribute, shoot and penetrate. Judging his consistency based on playing next to Harden and Kobe doesn't make much sense. No, he's not an all-star, but he was the ONLY player who ever showed the winner's gene on this club in the longest time and we let him go. If he was here, by now he could have developed chemistry with Melo (unless Melo is just pure trash and can't play with anyone) and we'd have a 2nd scoring option and some creative juice on the team. Lin is still a player to watch. People who write him off are out to lunch. He is very much needing the right situation to thrive again and it can happen.

That MDA based system we had even when we had Kidd would've worked even BETTER with Lin instead of Felton. It was clear that we needed a PG who could penetrate plus pass and score from 3. Management listened to Woody who didn't like Lin. That's why they didn't lock Lin up and sent him out on the market which made no sense if you believed in him as they said.

It's over now but Phil is gonna have to find an affordable PG that has the needed skills. Gotta be able to hit a 3 but also run a PnR and penetrate effectively. We don't have that right now as neither Jose, Prigs nor Larkin have penetration and ability to finish at the rim. Only THJ gets to the rim with regular success.

Very good points Nix. Just one thing I don't think Woodson did not like Lin. How could you dislike him as a coach when you witnessed what he is capable of. I think it's Melo who did not want to share the limelight with Lin. Melo & CAA suck their pitbulls on Lin using Stephen A Smith and espn radio as an avenue to discredit Lin. You know, its up to Lin to adapt to Melo. How dare fans suggest that MElo needs to adapt to the success of the team with Lin---SAS. "Players(melo)" were questioning Lin's heart not playing through injury--SAS Even though Lin was not ready to play according to the doctors original timeline.

He would've played had the knicks got out of the 1st round but they were owned by Miami.

It's funny how SAS went from praising Lin to bashing him literally over night once fans started saying Melo needed to adjust to the way the team was successfully playing.

Woodson had no choice but to stick by Melo even if it meant alienating Lin. He wanted to keep his head coaching job

It's no longer a where's there's smoke there's fire thing with Melo. He has to go overtime to prove now he is able to play with other people who take his shine. It has gotten to the point now where this whole scenario of attracting a quality FA is basically sabotaged by having a vain, non-cooperative player as your centerpiece.

It's clear to me that when people squawk about comments of Melo not wanting Lin that they cannot explain away the fact Melo actually bashed Lin during negotiations.

I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF ANOTHER NBA PLAYER CALLING A PLAYER'S CONTRACT DEMANDS RIDICULOUS DURING NEGOTIATIONS.

NEVER FUKKING EVER

Wow, and people have the balls to say Melo didn't sabotage Lin? They're stupid if they believe that. He did it. It's on the record.

Did you watch the summer league game where they showed part of the interview and Hahn explained the context? Also, in terms of the contract, it took a first round pick being included to move that deal.

Please notice that I was not addressing a holistic overview of Lin's resigning process. I was merely pointing out the ignorance of so many who live in denial to the fact Melo did something I HAVE NEVER SEEN A NBA PLAYER DO TO ANOTHER NBA PLAYER. It was unprecendented to my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong). And it clearly showed Melo had no problems PUBLICLY sabotaging Lin's negotiations. He did it. It is not really disputable at all. That players may sabotage one another is very much a strong possibility in countless situations, but the public nature of this sabotage I had never seen before.

short of being deposed by a lawyer you will never get a straight answer out of crushalot but lets try:

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8168386/carmelo-anthony-says-ridiculous-jeremy-lin-deal-new-york-knicks

this is an article that is quoting both carmelo anthony and jr smith.

did melo say lin's contract was ridiculous, crushalot? did jr smith say that lin's contract would make for a difficult locker room, crushalot?

y2zipper wrote:Lin was just a D'Antoni inflated PG. He same some penetration ability, but let's not forget that the team that overpaid him on potential gave up a 1st to send his contract away. He isn't the type of player you overpay to build a contender with.

Nobody really wants to say this, but the Knicks probably aren't building a contender during Melo's window here, especially if big-namely free agents stay where they are. They basically have to build a veteran team that maybe has a shot and that expires with Melo, then move on by collecting youth. Either that or spread the money for Dragic/Monroe and hope for the best.

Lin has repeatedly blown up in games post-Knicks where he's scored 20-35 points and been the star of the games he was in. He has not been consistent. That can be said without hesitation. Some of it may be attributable to playing on the rosters he has been on, but to say he was a flash in the pan is false. He clearly has NBA skills and can impact games. He is not suitable for all scenarios though and his remaining career will greatly depend on where he lands.

But Lin does enhance those around him so it is open to debate whether paying him $10M a year is not as valuable as paying Melo $25M a year.

Lin' forward looking value is unknown, but he can be a piece on a contender. They're all pieces. That's the problem. Many act like one player is a solution. Melo is just a piece and at that he is vastly overpaid.

Splat wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Splat wrote:

Please notice that I was not addressing a holistic overview of Lin's resigning process. I was merely pointing out the ignorance of so many who live in denial to the fact Melo did something I HAVE NEVER SEEN A NBA PLAYER DO TO ANOTHER NBA PLAYER. It was unprecendented to my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong). And it clearly showed Melo had no problems PUBLICLY sabotaging Lin's negotiations. He did it. It is not really disputable at all. That players may sabotage one another is very much a strong possibility in countless situations, but the public nature of this sabotage I had never seen before.

I think if you saw the interview you would know that he was responding to dialogue. Not a lot of deep thought there. I think if you think he planned to publicly sabotage Lin's negotiations you are giving Melo more credit then you ever have in the past.

Being Melo is a sub-par intellect, we know "he just says stuff", but if that is your excuse then you are in denial that he consciously sabotaged another player's negotiations publicly, something I've never seen before. Melo may be tone deaf and famously stupid for not understanding how his comments land on the publics' ears, but to say a player is not conscious they are committing sabotage when the call a contract number ridiculous DURING NEGOTIATIONS is absurd. Give me a break.

Melo was empowered to say that because already knew Lin was off the Knicks. He knew because he was the one who demanded it. Melo still runs the Knicks to this day as evident by Phil caving in to Melo's latest contract demands