Vmart wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Knixkik wrote:@IanBegley: Source close to Carmelo Anthony says report that he is considering waving no trade clause for trade from #Knicks is "definitely not true."

Well that was fast.

If that docu drama didn't tell you he wants out.

The one that he filmed in the summer?

Yeah. The one where he said Chicago was ideal. He only took the Knicks for the Money. Get your money first and get your destination second.

Vmart wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Vmart wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Knixkik wrote:@IanBegley: Source close to Carmelo Anthony says report that he is considering waving no trade clause for trade from #Knicks is "definitely not true."

Well that was fast.

If that docu drama didn't tell you he wants out.

The one that he filmed in the summer?

Yeah. The one where he said Chicago was ideal. He only took the Knicks for the Money. Get your money first and get your destination second.

No, he took the money period.

Precisely and now it's time to head for the destination.

Nalod wrote:

Splat wrote:When a trade goes down, what are all the suckers from the Melo Anti-Defamation League going to say then?

Human beings have an infinite capacity to live in denial. Some will still believe Melo cares about winning in spite of everything showing the opposite. Oh no, that's false psychoanalytical garbage they will exclaim like they always do. Fools.

The good part is if he leaves perhaps we don't have to have the redundent subject regurgitate over and over.
If this scenario unfolds then perhaps some Moobyites will have been suprised over his lack of backbone. Rather than revel in delight, to which there is no glory btw, you might want to help them by putting an arm around them and begin to unify under the common suffereing we all share alike. Melo or not, we all suffer in the same plight.

"I told you so" does not win your friend, put money in your pocket, or feed the hungry.

I seriously doubt this rumor has many legs to it. Melo's image has taken a bad enough hit as it is. To make a short sighted deceision to bail after 22 games seems pretty far fetched.
NOthing suprises me anymore with the Knicks but this one would!!

Told You So would rapidly be superceded by relief at a real rebuild being undertaken. Melo is a toxic player. I'd be very happy he was gone, but even happier there may be a real basketball team built finally.

And don't be surprised by anything. I have seen the darkness and reported it and others think it is merely a predilection for gloom. I am merely reporting what I see. I believe many have filters that blind them to the truth and they resent being told their club is BS and their star is a wanker.

But how many really understood what Melo is really about? Very few.

The reality is this. He got the big deal and the kicker and figured it was a Win-Win for him, because if the team played well he got the glory and if not he could leave with all his money.

If anyone still thinks Melo and his team are not purely about money first, then there are still a lot of naive dupes.

Believe me, when anyone says Melo and his "brand" don't want to be put in a bad light by being traded so soon, they just don't understand this guy.

Melo is an investor. He doesn't need your approval. He's a touchy little pissant who doesn't want to stay at MSG if he is going to get booed, but he is a wuss and will leave rather than fight to turn things around. He is not here to build a champion. He is only here to get paid and because he wants to live in NYC.

The one thing he is not worried about is it damaging his "brand". All he cares about is money and when one of his start-ups go IPO and his commodities trading in Hong Kong hits a hot streak and Melo is up another $200M, all of this talk about him protecting his brand will look silly.

The public doesn't care about Melo the brand. And Melo only cares about money. If he sees his brand thing ain't working, he'll just move on to the next thing painted in green that goes kaching. That is all this guy cares about.

So there is no conspiracy theory required to say he signed the big deal with the kicker and he could give a damn about being traded, because much as he prefers being in NYC the next 5 years, his only true priority is money.

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Like I posted on the other thread:

I knew the whole no-trade clause thing would be a non-issue, because at the end of the day if we sucked enough, Melo would demand a trade. In fact, didn't 'a source' say at the time, part of his reasoning in signing with the knicks was guarantee the money first, and then he could always ask to be moved later (and I know people will blast him for that, but it's what most reasonable people would do in that situation).

I think we need to move Melo. It was a good enough idea attempting to rebuild around him, but I think this season combined with the realisation that there are no magic bullets in free agency (most of the top FA's are staying put), indicates it's going to take a lot longer to fix this mess. A top pick would be a great start, but I don't think Melo will have the patience or health for the three or so years it might take to start contending. If we keep him, likely we just miss the playoffs next year (or maybe scrape in). There's a lot more pressure if we keep him to blow our load this offseason, when the crop of agents available isn't worth it.

The problem is, I don't see how a deal with the Bulls is possible, even with a third team- we just can't match the salaries. I don't really see any other contender that he would fit with.

It's not a non-issue. He has to approve the team we trade him to, which probably limits us to about 3 or 4 possible trade partners rather than the whole league.

If we had signed Melo, then turned round and traded him to a trash team he didn't want to go with 6 months later, our reputation with free agents and their agents would become toxic. Thats why teams rarely void contracts even when they technically could (see Monta Ellis a few years ago). The truth is if we were going to trade him, it would have to have been to a contender anyways. The trade kicker can be waived (if a player desperately wants out, they often agree to waive the trade kicker), as has happened in the past

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Like I posted on the other thread:

I knew the whole no-trade clause thing would be a non-issue, because at the end of the day if we sucked enough, Melo would demand a trade. In fact, didn't 'a source' say at the time, part of his reasoning in signing with the knicks was guarantee the money first, and then he could always ask to be moved later (and I know people will blast him for that, but it's what most reasonable people would do in that situation).

I think we need to move Melo. It was a good enough idea attempting to rebuild around him, but I think this season combined with the realisation that there are no magic bullets in free agency (most of the top FA's are staying put), indicates it's going to take a lot longer to fix this mess. A top pick would be a great start, but I don't think Melo will have the patience or health for the three or so years it might take to start contending. If we keep him, likely we just miss the playoffs next year (or maybe scrape in). There's a lot more pressure if we keep him to blow our load this offseason, when the crop of agents available isn't worth it.

The problem is, I don't see how a deal with the Bulls is possible, even with a third team- we just can't match the salaries. I don't really see any other contender that he would fit with.

It's not a non-issue. He has to approve the team we trade him to, which probably limits us to about 3 or 4 possible trade partners rather than the whole league.

If we had signed Melo, then turned round and traded him to a trash team he didn't want to go with 6 months later, our reputation with free agents and their agents would become toxic. Thats why teams rarely void contracts even when they technically could (see Monta Ellis a few years ago). The truth is if we were going to trade him, it would have to have been to a contender anyways. The trade kicker can be waived (if a player desperately wants out, they often agree to waive the trade kicker), as has happened in the past

Not really. Players know what the other players are like. If we're recruiting a player with a winning mindset and they see we had the guts to move on and let go of a guy who doesn't have the right mindset, then they know we are committing finally to a winning culture. Other players know who Melo is. They know you can't rebuild around him. Fans don't get that, but a key player would get that because we're talking about attracting intelligent FAs, not dumb ones.

Splat wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Like I posted on the other thread:

I knew the whole no-trade clause thing would be a non-issue, because at the end of the day if we sucked enough, Melo would demand a trade. In fact, didn't 'a source' say at the time, part of his reasoning in signing with the knicks was guarantee the money first, and then he could always ask to be moved later (and I know people will blast him for that, but it's what most reasonable people would do in that situation).

I think we need to move Melo. It was a good enough idea attempting to rebuild around him, but I think this season combined with the realisation that there are no magic bullets in free agency (most of the top FA's are staying put), indicates it's going to take a lot longer to fix this mess. A top pick would be a great start, but I don't think Melo will have the patience or health for the three or so years it might take to start contending. If we keep him, likely we just miss the playoffs next year (or maybe scrape in). There's a lot more pressure if we keep him to blow our load this offseason, when the crop of agents available isn't worth it.

The problem is, I don't see how a deal with the Bulls is possible, even with a third team- we just can't match the salaries. I don't really see any other contender that he would fit with.

It's not a non-issue. He has to approve the team we trade him to, which probably limits us to about 3 or 4 possible trade partners rather than the whole league.

If we had signed Melo, then turned round and traded him to a trash team he didn't want to go with 6 months later, our reputation with free agents and their agents would become toxic. Thats why teams rarely void contracts even when they technically could (see Monta Ellis a few years ago). The truth is if we were going to trade him, it would have to have been to a contender anyways. The trade kicker can be waived (if a player desperately wants out, they often agree to waive the trade kicker), as has happened in the past

Not really. Players know what the other players are like. If we're recruiting a player with a winning mindset and they see we had the guts to move on and let go of a guy who doesn't have the right mindset, then they know we are committing finally to a winning culture. Other players know who Melo is. They know you can't rebuild around him. Fans don't get that, but a key player would get that because we're talking about attracting intelligent FAs, not dumb ones.

I agree with this. I see it having no effect on future FAs. All players had a clear objective this off-season, and will likely have the same next season (get the most money possible). "Taking less" even though most didn't in tax adjusted states was giving the players very little leverage with the current CBA nearing an end. In regards to Melo, it wouldn't completely shock me if him signing here was a glorified sign and trade. However, I can't really see the Knicks undergoing a full rebuild without the 2016 pick. If we did would make a ton of sense to me. The Lakers deal, which sounds plausible, almost certainly makes us a lottery team next year as well, but we get no benefit from that.

TeamBall wrote:

Vmart wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Vmart wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Knixkik wrote:@IanBegley: Source close to Carmelo Anthony says report that he is considering waving no trade clause for trade from #Knicks is "definitely not true."

Well that was fast.

If that docu drama didn't tell you he wants out.

The one that he filmed in the summer?

Yeah. The one where he said Chicago was ideal. He only took the Knicks for the Money. Get your money first and get your destination second.

No, he took the money period.

Precisely and now it's time to head for the destination.

I highly doubt Melo had the foresight to see the season going this bad so he could push for a trade to Chicago. He got his money which is what he wanted. You really think he had a plan to end of with the Bulls this whole time?

I think he had a plan, if he didn't I'm sure his advisors made it known to him. The trade kicker to boot seems very planned out.

Splat wrote:Thank you for weighing in on the topic Triple.

Much of the divide in society between generating value vs. the esteem for fame and wealth is played out on this board and among fans of professional sports all over the country.

That Melo is so blatantly fake and it seems to infuriate a portion of the fan base to point it out is really the ultimate tell of where peoples' values are. They seem to think you can separate these things when you simply cannot.

CHARACTER = DESTINY

Melo signed here because we offered the most money and he believed Phil could eventually turn things round and have us competing. I fail to see how not leaping into bed with the Bulls (who everyone was lauding under the false idea Rose would magically return to full health. Heck even Noah is reduced all season due to knee surgery. The reason that team is above average this year is because of Gasol and Butler, neither of whom would be there if they'd landed Melo) makes him evil. FA who signed with contenders for less used to be called ring chasers. Now they are saints. It's pathetic- now players get blasted for not staying and trying to turn a team round.

What's more important- the chance of winning a ring or actual money for your kids and grandkids? It's up to people to decide- and to figure out the right balance for them. There are no rights or wrongs and it doesn't make players evil or stupid because they opt to get as much of the money they help generate back.

Look man, I've done a lot of charity work over the years, but one day you look up and see the folk at the top of those charities are getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars, while you're working for free. I strike more of a balance now between getting paid fairly and working environment, but sometimes I need the money so I'll do the job that pays better. I could work privately and get even more money, but I choose not to. If I ever change my mind and work privately, it doesn't make me evil, it just means I got fed up of organisations not paying me fairly.

Splat wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Splat wrote:Because he's a prima donna. Prima donnas can't survive having tomatoes thrown at them by the audience for very long. Melo doesn't have the stomach for it.

NYC can be the worst place now for Melo if the heat keeps getting turned up. NYC the lifestyle will become secondary to NYC the emotional cauldron. He'd want to leave. If Phil wants him gone, then Melo will want to leave. He is scared of Phil after all, ha ha

And when is it too much for prima donnas? Since Melo's been here, like literally since the trade went through, hes been criticized for: gutting the team, chasing money, being selfish, being a chucker, being a ball hog, taking the team away from Amare, getting D'antoni fired, chasing money, bringing the CAA into things, making players worse, being mentally weak, not being a leader, influencing management not to re-sign Lin, not being Lebron, not being Durant, and chasing money. This has been since 2011.

Your litany of horrors came AFTER he came from Denver.

Melo had to wait for free agency to regain his leverage.

That is the only factor here.

Ascribing fortitude to Melo by virtue of sticking out his contract is silly. He wasn't going anywhere until he got paid. That's the real and only bottom line here.

Oh, and all the things you list: they are true, but completely unnecessary for discerning what the real pivot points are in this situation.