Splat wrote:Well, at least Lebron supports Melo. That has to count for something in the under/over-appreciated superstars mutual admiration society playbook.

is that book black?

I do think Pau, like any talent would have added to this season. He also has the Triangle down pretty good.
My expectation for Pau was very low. Did you really think he was serious about NY?

Kerr had other reasons besides Money. HIs family could stay in So Cal, his Daughter plays volleyball in town, his ex president works for Warriors
and that roster was prime!!! Match the money and he'd be insane to choose NYC. There was no reason.

Melo to me was convinced the money in the short term would make any wait worth his while. No guarantee they succeed in a title Chicago and the money was far less.
Again, I don't fault him for taking the money and staying. It was a solid business decision for him. For Phil, he needs a marketable starphuch and if healthy is tradeable.
Im sure Dolan felt that to lose him after he traded assets for him would be bad business.

At some level I have to believe Phil was very cerebral about not just wanting to do this in NY but that the basic structure of the roster and its potential was attractive. Had Steve Balmer succeeded in buying the Kings and moving them to Seattle he would have had stake in that. Weird Balmer ends up with the Clippers and he could have stayed in Malibu!!!! Melo had to be a topic of discussion thru the negotiations and many scenarios were played aout and reviewed.

Thus, with so many combonations of scenarios possible there are many plans possible and somewhere a playbook where knicks have prepared for. It would seem like "same old clumsy spontanious" thought process would exist according to the media but they, like us are just not privy to the plan.

Nalod wrote:F500, its a fluid process hardly worthy of defining his tenure as a disaster.
Pau left the Lakers to join a winning team at a price we didn't even have space for.

I do think Pau, like any talent would have added to this season. He also has the Triangle down pretty good.
My expectation for Pau was very low. Did you really think he was serious about NY?

Kerr had other reasons besides Money. HIs family could stay in So Cal, his Daughter plays volleyball in town, his ex president works for Warriors
and that roster was prime!!! Match the money and he'd be insane to choose NYC. There was no reason.

Melo to me was convinced the money in the short term would make any wait worth his while. No guarantee they succeed in a title Chicago and the money was far less.
Again, I don't fault him for taking the money and staying. It was a solid business decision for him. For Phil, he needs a marketable starphuch and if healthy is tradeable.
Im sure Dolan felt that to lose him after he traded assets for him would be bad business.

At some level I have to believe Phil was very cerebral about not just wanting to do this in NY but that the basic structure of the roster and its potential was attractive. Had Steve Balmer succeeded in buying the Kings and moving them to Seattle he would have had stake in that. Weird Balmer ends up with the Clippers and he could have stayed in Malibu!!!! Melo had to be a topic of discussion thru the negotiations and many scenarios were played aout and reviewed.

Thus, with so many combonations of scenarios possible there are many plans possible and somewhere a playbook where knicks have prepared for. It would seem like "same old clumsy spontanious" thought process would exist according to the media but they, like us are just not privy to the plan.

Bringing up Phil in both Melo's and Kerr's

Situation was irrelevant, he carried really no major weight in the decision process

It was money and many other factors, one of which Melo

Clearly stated he came back because money was important

Trying to identify what Phil's primary strength as an executive

Is going to take time but in his first yr[although young]

He hasn't shown much, and the resigning of Melo

Could very well be attached more so to Dolan than to Phil

As things play out it could prove the Melo signing was his absolute worst move

Yes we have to wait we get it, but I'm not going to go all sheep "IN PHIL WE TRUST"

I'm more of the mindset "Phil Prove Your Worth"

But we're not the only team with a VISION and CULTURE change

ESPN right now NBA Page

You can't claim Phil wanted to win right now but ignore the fact that he was in negotiations with Philly looking to dump Amare for nothing. Or that he was looking to trade Shump to acquire a first round draft pick this past draft just couldn't get the value he wanted. None of those project a desire to win now.

Phil has also stated that the Knicks have been luxary tax payers for a while and would like to get out of that habit. As well as commented on emulating Spurs style of team ball and deeper rotations.

F500ONE wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:There is a high possibility that Phil doesn't max anyone out this off season and signs a couple of smaller sized decent contracts while maintaining flexibility. Unless Gasol wants to come. It would make sense to y he wouldn't mind taking on Calderon's contract as maybe he envisions Calderon apart of a deeper rotation of complimentary players.

You can't claim Phil wanted to win right now but ignore the fact that he was in negotiations with Philly looking to dump Amare for nothing. Or that he was looking to trade Shump to acquire a first round draft pick this past draft just couldn't get the value he wanted. None of those project a desire to win now.

Phil has also stated that the Knicks have been luxary tax payers for a while and would like to get out of that habit. As well as commented on emulating Spurs style of team ball and deeper rotations.

Dumping Amar'e does not mean he was trying to Tank

Hence moving him to Philly creates a ginormous TPE

To use to his liking while at the same time

Placing the franchise in a better financial position

NEWSFLASH: AMAR'E IS NOT A WIN NOW MODE PLAYER

It would have also afforded us the right to waive the TPE in favor of

Dropping below the tax threshold to place a bid on waived players[assuming that's how it works]

As far as Shumpert he's redundant and we could have picked an asset up

To help even win now depending on selection this draft or to build towards the future

It wouldn't have been a tank move

Never said anything about tanking. Tanking means losing on purpose which isn't the point I was making. As to your point. Trading 2 known quantities for 2 unknown quantities and possibilities aren't win now moves though.

Dumping Amare gave him options and flexibilty. Trading Shump for a pick would have given him time on a new prospect and saved cap space for the future. Or in short more options and flexibility.

As to my point. Don't think they are tanking on purpose but in transition. Calderon is apart of that transition Phil will adapt based on the results of the transition. Don't think they go all in on cap space.