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jrodmc
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12/10/2014  8:19 AM
VCoug wrote:
fishmike wrote:
VCoug wrote:
fishmike wrote:he WAS a bad player for the Knicks last year. Thats the point you seem to miss. He was VERY bad. He doesnt shoot anything. He dunks when able. 80% of his offense is created by the PG he plays with. The other 20% is when he gets a rebound and can score it. He's older, always hurt, coming off a terrible year and was never going to be resigned here. The fact that he's playing very well on a decent team changes none of that.

but yea... when he's the 3rd or 4th best player on your team, healthy and motivated he's good. That happened for about 4 months of the 3 whatever years he was here, and they were all in the 54 win season.

I would rather count the ping pong balls at this point than hope Tyson does something positive. His time here was more dissapointing than Amare's

You keep ignoring what I've been saying. At no point have I said we should've kept Tyson here at all costs. Hell, I've been making fake Tyson trades for the last 3 seasons. I'm saying that we had two players worth something in a trade: Melo and Tyson. We traded one of them for two 2nd round picks and a player that fans here are saying we need to dump before free agency next Summer. That's a horrifically bad trade.

we will see, but nobody was taking Felton without some love. You do see that dont you? Even if you dont agree Tyson's greatest trade value coming off the season he just did was to jettison Felton. It was junk for junk. Tyson had little value. Felton was an albatross

You're completely wrong about Tyson. And for all the talk about jettisoning Felton's contract we took back a longer, larger one in Calderon's. And what do you think Calderon's value is around the league right now?

Completely wrong about what? the flu? the chicken legs? Mrs. Hibbert? Are you sniffing glue? He dunks and taps out, and he's playing this year (hey, look at that, he's not actually out with broken somethings, flu, personal reasons, etc, etc) with a big contract chip on his shoulder. Good for him. Please stop telling us he's a Bill Russell/Shaq combo.

He was garbage on the court after his DPOY year, and he was one of the worst concentrated locker room cancers we've ever experienced. What was your one trick greatest offensive center the world has ever seen going to do in the Triangle? Tap out passes off the backboard? Phil was implementing a new system with a rookie coach/protege. The last thing he needed was a preening giant shotless/moveless Spree with a ring lambasting every offensive set. This season is bad enough right now. FluTyson in it would be making it worse.

Do you honestly think Calderone's value after 25 games in is down around Felton septic level?

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jrodmc
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12/17/2014  4:53 PM
This should be stickied. Or locked.

Or auto-bumped after every loss?

BRIGGS
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12/17/2014  5:12 PM
jrodmc wrote:
VCoug wrote:
fishmike wrote:
VCoug wrote:
fishmike wrote:he WAS a bad player for the Knicks last year. Thats the point you seem to miss. He was VERY bad. He doesnt shoot anything. He dunks when able. 80% of his offense is created by the PG he plays with. The other 20% is when he gets a rebound and can score it. He's older, always hurt, coming off a terrible year and was never going to be resigned here. The fact that he's playing very well on a decent team changes none of that.

but yea... when he's the 3rd or 4th best player on your team, healthy and motivated he's good. That happened for about 4 months of the 3 whatever years he was here, and they were all in the 54 win season.

I would rather count the ping pong balls at this point than hope Tyson does something positive. His time here was more dissapointing than Amare's

You keep ignoring what I've been saying. At no point have I said we should've kept Tyson here at all costs. Hell, I've been making fake Tyson trades for the last 3 seasons. I'm saying that we had two players worth something in a trade: Melo and Tyson. We traded one of them for two 2nd round picks and a player that fans here are saying we need to dump before free agency next Summer. That's a horrifically bad trade.

we will see, but nobody was taking Felton without some love. You do see that dont you? Even if you dont agree Tyson's greatest trade value coming off the season he just did was to jettison Felton. It was junk for junk. Tyson had little value. Felton was an albatross

You're completely wrong about Tyson. And for all the talk about jettisoning Felton's contract we took back a longer, larger one in Calderon's. And what do you think Calderon's value is around the league right now?

Completely wrong about what? the flu? the chicken legs? Mrs. Hibbert? Are you sniffing glue? He dunks and taps out, and he's playing this year (hey, look at that, he's not actually out with broken somethings, flu, personal reasons, etc, etc) with a big contract chip on his shoulder. Good for him. Please stop telling us he's a Bill Russell/Shaq combo.

He was garbage on the court after his DPOY year, and he was one of the worst concentrated locker room cancers we've ever experienced. What was your one trick greatest offensive center the world has ever seen going to do in the Triangle? Tap out passes off the backboard? Phil was implementing a new system with a rookie coach/protege. The last thing he needed was a preening giant shotless/moveless Spree with a ring lambasting every offensive set. This season is bad enough right now. FluTyson in it would be making it worse.

Do you honestly think Calderone's value after 25 games in is down around Felton septic level?


Calderon's terrible and will get worse. Since we got him back were 1-13. I wouldnt use Calderon as an example of anything optimistic. If you take an honest look 90% of the really good teams in the NBA--they have a good younger PG. We are stuck with a mid 30's guy who will not be conducive to winning EVEN if we get Okafor and a premium FA. Too bad we didnt have the Houston exception as that 7.5 is a big waste.

RIP Crushalot😞
markvmc
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12/17/2014  6:49 PM
Pessimism is the new optimism. The more we lose the better our chances.
StarksEwing1
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12/17/2014  6:56 PM
There should be optimism for a top pick
BRIGGS
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12/17/2014  6:56 PM
markvmc wrote:Pessimism is the new optimism. The more we lose the better our chances.

Right--the other day Rex Ryan was saying only a real Jet fan wanted to win. Sure Rex---Ive put 40+ years into with Jets with 0 back. We have a chance to get a franchise QB and now we'd probably have to trade 3 #1's to get it.

Yep losing is the new winning. Anyone rooting for a win doesnt understand how this works. Lose the battle to win the war.

RIP Crushalot😞
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